Its the fact that older people don't take us seriously, yet we're told constantly that we're responsible for how the world turns out in a couple years, as if they even listen to us in the first place.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: older people operate under this weird dynamic of "i suffered growing up, therefore i want to make sure my children and grandchildren dont." And instead go "i suffered growing up, why shouldn't they?" Older people are driving me crazy. It's like the industrial revolution all over again, just the technical revolution. They are so bitter and insist on giving unsolicited advice (or just plain criticism) about a world that they truly don't understand. They cannot understand that the world isn't the same as the 60s or 80s despite THEM being the ones that voted for legislation for decades that got us in this position. They insist on us working harder, longer hours, and refuse to properly adjust wages and sit there, going "why aren't people having families?" Like?? We can't AFFORD to, why would we squirt out kids and then just drop them off in daycare? why is that generation SO resistant to having more free time, higher wages, and more flexible jobs? Is it because they are bitter? They wasted their lives dedicated to a career that really accounts to nothing since they have no connection with their family and if they didn't make a huge amount of money, they are still being shipped off to retirement homes to be cared for by strangers. I think those generations, even older millennials are so bitter and angry and hostile. Why is it a crime to be compassionate? Why is it a crime to want a healthier work balance? Why is it a crime to want higher wages? We don't want to be cogs in the machine and i don't care if the companies suffer. 💅 Why would we break our back for a company that could easily replace us? That pick me in the last comment just about made me explode. Oh my god, people want to pursue happiness and contentment and purpose? OH MY GOD.
Born in 79. Always hated the 'GEN X' clowns. 'Young people' are like tons of GEN Xers. HUGE hypocrites, with zero sense of real world duty and service if it doesn't 'pay' in some form. The main thing that should change is going back to farming for millions of people. Real happiness. Won't happen with retards thinking the musculo-skeletal system of the human body was created to 'sweat in a gym' or to self destruct because too much electronics and watching 'gender neutral' videos.. [I love sounding like a boomer]
You are right! There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to enjoy your life. There is nothing wrong with questioning our corporate overlords, or why we “go to work” and work the way we do. This is the tech revolution and we need to question these things so the inevitable changes benefit us and not those who are already wealthy and free to live life.
Sounds like they’re subconsciously trying to rationalize their shitty upbringings because they’re afraid they wasted their lives doing what they were told.
i hate not being taken seriously on anything and any attempt i make to make myself heard i get hated on for, whether its my family or teachers, ive always been told i look prettier when im quiet
Jesus that sucks! Remember that you and your problems deserve to be heard, no matter what your teachers or family may say. I hope you have friends or other people to talk to
i've been through the same thing... it's harsh. don't get too down on yourself. just do what works, communicate in the way that works best for you. you will find the people who truly care about you.
Boomers will literally be like “I went through something bad, so now you will too!!” And then be like “wdym I traumatized you? I would never do that 🥺🥺🥺”
@@thegr8m849 do you know the definition of the word? Trauma has to do with the bodies response to a situation, deadass anything could be traumatizing, especially when you're a kid. Just because PTSD has only really been talked about for people in warzones, doesn't mean veterans are the only people who have been traumatized.
@@mewmew6158 Doesn't change the point of my comment. The word is still overused to describe otherwise banal situations. Trauma isn't a just body's response to ANY situation... It's a psychological distress, to the point that it rids a person's ability to cope. I've seen fat activists claiming that seeing calories in a menu, or seeing the word FAT (in Taylor Swift's recent music video) are "traumatizing". I'm sorry but that's just ridiculous.
@@thegr8m849 I get what you're saying and I agree that it is definitely a word used outside of it's intended definition but it has honestly morphed and formed into both a technical definition and sort of a slang term of sorts... We use it for real trauma and to make an impact statement about something that was in reality just a minor inconvenience.
@@thegr8m849 I think people overacted about Taylor's video but that's with the knowledge that TS was talking about an eating disorder. If certain words trigger a person or seeing calories upsets them then that's a reflection of their insecurity. I understand the need for sympathy but there's also a line. Just because something upsets you, does not mean others have to cater to your needs or projections. Too many people demand change for things that were not about them in the first place, but they needed validation so they made it about themselves.
The way capitalism has people complicit in their own oppression is sad. Like they’re proud that they had to work under conditions that dehumanized them and made them struggle unnecessarily. All these people describing how they endured hell or finally stopped crying on the inside and sucked up their pain like it’s a badge of honor that anyone worth living should be happy to have is both sad and frustrating. Working at a Starbucks shouldn’t have to be an emotional endurance test. You shouldn’t have to job hop to be treated with a modicum of dignity.
I know you can't hear my voice so you have to trust that I'm saying this without any malice: the struggle unnecessarily part how would you, if you ruled the world (America) stop 1.8 million people from struggling, and what would you do if you found out people were struggling under your rule?
@@JStorm90TV sure, let's imagine a world where America is run entirely by one person What makes you think that a random RUclips commenter -- or indeed, you yourself -- could possibly know the mechanisms by which such a ruler would operate? Know them well enough to compile an economic plan on the spot? Here's a start, though: redirect the violence that's currently aimed at keeping the working class in line, and instead aim it at preventing a certain level of profit seeking. Like, simply disallow the 1%, you know, see what happens
@@JStorm90TV It's ridiculous to expect anyone to know """the answer""" to suffering and you know that, don't put your bad faith arguments here no matter how much malice you don't have. Just because someone doesn't have the perfect solution to a problem doesn't mean they shouldn't try to improve their situation. If I controlled America Or the world then I would cut military spending across the board and put that money into education and social work. I don't know very much about how to actualize those so I hire experts to delegate those tasks to. There's literally no reason to think I would need to do ANY step of this process alone, and no reason to think that if my plan doesn't work very well then helping people is a failed idea. Get your act together
My mom grew up in extreme poverty with no support and she worked so hard to get where she is now. I respect her so much for that, but unfortunately it means she has very little empathy for people who put in any effort less than 100%, even me. Especially me. It means I feel like a failure if I'm not constantly giving ALL of myself to my work. It's not a healthy mindset and I hope everyone can recognize someday that we deserve more from life than constant work work work
Holy shit, story of my life, my mom is a single mom and I respect for her grind to try to give us a better life....but is just really insensitive towards me and my generation, just because I don't wanna work work work like she does "Your generation is so lazy." yeah because wanna life their life instead of waste their life? Okay.
I'm so fortunate. My mom was a single parent, uneducated, and was put through the ringer going to night school to become a respiratory therapist. I remember a hotel she worked nights at and had to bring my sister and I along to sleep in the lobby. I was too young to understand how unusual that was, and she hid it well. She is in a much better place now, and hasn't grown hard, angry and apathetic to others. That's probably a big part of why I never did either.
The ones saying to “quit and get a new job” are showing their privilege. It is not easy to get a new job, especially in this economy, AND in a entry level position living check by check! There are so many job cuts AND these jobs (cough cough corporate America) are expecting recent college graduates to have so many experiences. If that was the case, I would’ve been quit my job a month or two ago when I noticed the toxic patterns. I am trying my best to stay a little longer while looking for another job. I cannot just leave. I have bills to pay, food, and other necessities to provide. I swear these tone-deaf people😒… Seriously, thank you for your content Elliot, and thank you Danae for the editing🙌🏾‼️
been recently looking for a new job and no joke, around 90% are offering part time and about $11-13 an hour. I’m trying to move out so I NEED full time. I don’t want to go through coordinating schedules with multiple jobs every single week and being put down for having “other commitments” (ie. another job which is necessary for my survival).
The internet’s inability to accept true vulnerability but using jokes n meta-memes as an outlet sums it up so well for me. Reminds me of creators being honest and open about how (not having) “pretty privilege” has affected them (and the overlap of many isms and phobias), people understanding, and dismissing the truth to take the piss is mind boggling. “You’re insecure” “you’re ungrateful” “you’re lazy”…? Vulnerability (and empathy) is a superpower. Those that are not vulnerable are silently hurting and building RESENTMENT from unfulfilled expectations no one is able to meet bc no one knows. As you listen to psychology you understand that a person who is reactionary (hypersensitive), unable to fully express themselves beyond anger and frustration, and defensive is far more “weak” (using their words) than one who is open to the opportunity of being pleased, loved, and respected. That is strong to put yourself out there like that, even when there’s a possibility to get hurt.
Everyone hates their job. From Starbucks baristas to college educated teachers, nurses and silicone valley tech bros. Nobody is truly happy. So idk why "Get a new job" is everyone's default. We're literally put on earth to pay bills and die. Sound macabre but at this rate we won't have money to enjoy little luxuries. Sydney Sweeney an Emmy nominated actress said she can't go 6 months without working because actors are paid so little. So people need to reevaluate their childish responseses to ppl that are on the verge of breaking down.
Sydney wasn't getting paid little, she was trying to live beyond her means and have a 6 month break during the prime of her career opportunities. Vast difference
That’s kind of how society works. We all need to chip in to keep this ship afloat. And despite what others tell you, you can still have a lot of money left over to enjoy those little luxuries if you learn how to respect money and spend it wisely and above all, live within your means. That means no more fucking door dash 6 nights out of the week and having 8 different subscriptions to streaming services. Here’s a cool life hack, if you want to spend your money on something nice, make sure you save enough where you can buy it twice. You live life like that and your savings account will always have 4 digits instead of 3 or 2.
I don't really "hate" my job. I don't even dislike it. My job works well for me. I wish I wasn't selling products that are slowly contributing to our killing of the earth, but that type of existential dread doesn't feel the same as hating my job. However, I don't get paid enough, unless the minimum wage goes up by $10 an hour there's no way I will ever be paid enough. And that makes me hate this fucking system. The actual work I do, though, I don't mind it at all -- and it's retail. But they treat me like a human and are respectful of my wishes, and that makes all the difference. Some people, they think about doing similar tasks every day and that sounds like hell. Well, maybe this is just the way I look at it, but in retail I have stimulating problems to solve every day, I like a lot of the people at my job, and I feel like management is there to help and guide us. Work is not ever going to be fun, but it doesn't have to suck as much ass as it does in our decaying capitalist hell of a world.
I live in a country that’s going through the worst political turmoil and our teachers keep saying that: "yOu sHaLL bE tHe fLaG bEarEr’s oF rEvOluTiOn." BRUH LET ME LIVE I DONT WAN TO BRING NO REVOLUTION
That’s depressing how we all just want to live. Not be responsible for generations Problems that they brought on to us that they expect us to solve and to “push through“.
man i hate when people say that. they expect so much from us, they expect us to be the new leaders, they expect us to be these role models when we all just want to live our goddamn lives like we've been trying to do for years. i don't want to be a role model or a leader because i hate being looked up to. i'd rather seek validation and meaning in my life from what i like doing, not whether i can be a good useful leader for my community god damn
Man, as a 37 year old that always gets confused for a 25 year old, old people treat “young” people poorly all the time. God forbid I ever get “old” Aging is one thing, but “old” is an attitude and mindset.
I work in a company where people are twice my age in a similar job position i just feel like people don't respect me and don't think I can make my own decisions.
I'm a millennial and I can tell you that the "just log off" "advice" is not the panacea it's framed as, which will come as a surprise to no one with two neurons to rub together. I've never had twitter, instagram, or tiktok and guess what? I still feel depressed, anxious, hopeless about future prospects and self-conscious about my body compared to influencers. It's almost impossible, unless you have a LOT resources, to divorce yourself entirely from being online in some form. i feel a lot of empathy for gen z who grew up online. I'm not sure I'd have made it. Why is it so difficult for some people to just acknowledge that circumstances are pretty dire, the future is an uphill struggle if not outright bleak, and the weight of fixing it falls squarely on the shoulders of gen z -- while they are mocked by those who caused the problems. So many young people, with the help of the internet, are realising they've been sold lies and are caught in a web of systems that deliberately disenfranchise them, only to be left stranded with that information feeling like they can't do much at all to fight it. maybe, just maybe, it's the current state of the world that's the problem and not gen z being "soft", Collective trauma indeed. Thank you for your awesome content.
You don’t need to have a ton of resources to log off. You just need to have 1-2 real life friends to hang out with once a week. Trust me, you can do this. There’s classes, there’s volunteering, there’s clubs to join, there’s a lot of different avenues to making friends in real life. Getting the fuck out of the house would be a good start.
@@User71956 You are still being condescending in my opinion (albeit maybe not as much as some of the people in this video) because you are ignoring the point the person made about "a web of systems that deliberately disenfranchise them". The only way to fully "log off" from all this shit -- not being able to pay rent, being stuck in a job you hate, climate crisis/natural disasters, mental health crisis, abuse, inaccessible design, individualist/anti-collective ideologies, etc. -- is to straight up dissociate 24/7 and that's clearly not healthy. It's really nice that you are trying to be encouraging about going outside and building human connection because those ARE important, but ask yourself if you would say the same thing ("you just need some friends") to someone whose house just burned down? Hopefully you wouldn't, and that's what I mean when I say that you are being condescending. That's the kind of shit people are going through.
Elder Millennial here. I'd say logging off for Gen Z is akin to just giving up. Hell, I'd say the same for my generation. The Internet is their escape from today's corporate hellscape. With enough drive, research, and luck, you can make a very comfortable living working for yourself on social media. It's that, or some corporate gig that will underpay and overwork you until they can afford to replace you with a robot. Logging Off is disconnecting from your last lifeline. It just isn't an option.
Fun fact, the human brain is wired to only work hard/concentrate/hyperfocus on a singular task for up to 4 hours per day. (That includes breaks, it does not have to be 4 hours straight.) So if you cannot work or concentrate on work for 4 hours...that is literally human evolution.
@@squiresandspurs219What a stupid comparison, do you really want to live like a hunter gatherer society, shitting in the wood and dying of a cut on your leg?
The mentality of “I had to do / deal with _x shitty thing_ or exploitation therefore it is not fair if you also don’t have to suffer,” is baffling to me. Like I have worked in the service industry for about a decade, and about a year ago I became the GM of the small restaurant I have worked at for a few years. And my priority has always been the safety of my employees, to implement the changes that would have made my job easier as a bartender/server, as well as to eliminate as many of the stressors that were in my power. When I interviewed for the position with my superior, I remember answering one of the questions with the response of, “Any time I have ever been in a supervisory role I have always had one core rule for myself that I followed: never tell a subordinate to do something I would not have expected from myself.” And my superior was baffled by this response and went on to attempt to explain why it is totally okay to ask people to do things you wouldn’t ever have done and having higher expectations for your employees than you have for yourself is like totally cool actually.
Just rotten people being rotten. Imagine we were in the stone age and people were like "I had to suffer so you need to suffer as well", so we'd still be stuck there. Absolute fools
the 'just open a coffee shop' thing is so insane to me. my mom opened a coffee shop before i was even born so i kinda grew up in a resturaunt. it takes SO much effort and time and money and stress to open and run your own coffee shop, especially one that treats its employees like people. why would anyone go 'wow i hate working at Starbucks, i think I'll just Open My Own Coffee Shop!' i mean its technically doable and its the ambition of many people. but why suggest Just Open A Resturaunt as an alternative to Make Companies Care For Their Employees??
Especially since, if you don't force companies to treat their employees well, then even if you do open your own coffee shop you likely won't be able to compete with them without also mistreating your employees.
Hey, so this is a great video. Just need to rant rq. For context I’m an upper Jr in college (Gen z) and the more I learn, the more I’m angry with how we live everyday and seek to promote conversation with my (mostly conservative) family. When I had voted, I was forced into telling who I voted for and then told “Oh, she doesn’t know any better” by my father. You see, he has never once been belittling towards my intelligence. He has repeatedly told me I was brilliant (I’m a writer, so I share my stories with him). Politics make people so damn ugly. And I am still reeling that he would say that (in front of AND with the support of my older step sister [millennial] , who attacked me for my vote as well). What’s so funny is that he says this when I’m currently getting educated, and he hadn’t even made it past high school. Although I don’t want to belittle him for his own education, he seems to have no problem discounting everything I’ve learned that led me to my decisions. Gosh, sorry. I needed to get that sh*t out and I’m tired of Gen Z having to be trailblazers for any form of decency.
God I feel that... I can't talk about any politics with my father without him seeming to look down on me and shut me down whenever I get into my own beliefs (meanwhile I have to grit my teeth and listen to every contrived rant, topic, debate, etc. that he pushes towards me or else he'd probably look down on me even more). It's been exhausting trying to maintain a healthy relationship and build genuine connection with my dad these past couple of years simply because of politics. I feel more insecure being around him now than any other point in my life. And it hurts, because he's one of the people I love most in this world!
I was lucky my father still has the "Who you vote for is private" mind set. But seriously, everyone says that we're the trailblazers, and yet when we try to make the world a better place, we get ignored and belittled
SandyRose, it's very clear that you are a bright intelligent person as well as a great writer. Your father was indeed being very ugly, to belittle your intelligence over politics. It's sad how it can cause people to be so terrible even to their own families. I find it to be a sign of a very ignorant and unreasonable person, when somebody gets so offended over politics that they start resorting to personal insults rather than simply discussing the actual issues. At that point they're just acting like a child. They're just lashing out with childish insults rather than using their words like a rational adult. His comment reflects far more on HIS intelligence than yours.
@@kaylarodrigues7892I’m not particularly close with my dad like I used to (long story), but yeah, this. He’s never been one to actually have a meaningful and/or nuanced discussion. It’s either overrun the conversation, avoid/change the subject, or talk down to me like I’m a kid (I’m 25 lmao). I’m fortunate that my mom isn’t that way, but man…I know the feeling.
I was recently able to push my 40-page Thesis deadline back. I went to mentors and adviors and faculty looking for someone who would take my situation seriously. Even though I believe that much of it was said with love, the constant "stay strong, just power through it" was painful. I'm grateful for having practiced advocating for myself, yet can't reason why I had to. It's the debt from my very institution that is making the sememster all the more debilatating. They told me that I've come too far to falter when I'm almost done with school. But it's precisely because I "just powered through" the past several years of school and work and extracurriculars and trying to make my community better that I'm paying for it with my health now. I know that's not a Gen Z-specific problem, but I think that we deserve the space to vent out the pain and create solutions that recognize humanity before labor.
I’m glad you spoke about, I feel a lot of pressure to finish my college degree because technically I’m almost done, but it’s just been such a drag. I took a break this semester and I’ll try to finish but I just am tired and technically I completed a technical certificate, three more classes, and I can get an associates. But still, it’s exhausting especially when you work full-time and you go to classes every semester and you’re part of some community stuff. I feel you, sometimes it’s OK to leave things unfinished doesn’t mean that you should be seen as a terrible person for that. sending hugs from far away.
I feel like the people who are like "just get a new job" haven't actually been in a position where they *are* searching for a new job. I'm in a position where I was able to quit my job when it became too mentally damaging. I've been searching for a new job for two months now, and haven't even gotten an interview at any of the places I applied. Job searching is hard, and not even guaranteed to work out.
I’m just doing gig jobs. Had to quit my hotel concierge job this past Labor Day after it was so unbearable. Had a guest who urinated on the carpet of her room. These savages have no respect.
boomers: "kids today should be grateful, they should put their asses to work 60h a week and not complain, else they're whiny" also boomers: *have a mental breakdown and full on screams at a cashier because they don't have their favorite product on shelf*
For real... Had an experience like this when I went to a symphony concert a few weeks ago. The staff doesn't open the doors to the concert hall before they get a signal. Me and my bf didn't see it as a problem that they opened 15 minutes before the concert-start and were understanding of the staff member. These elderly people started complaining to her saying that the concert house always has opened the hall 30 minutes before the concert started. They continued to repeat that statement even when she explained that she had to wait for a signal. They made her go and ask someone about it which really wasn't necessary. These are the same people who say that back in their day they had to be patient and wait while young people today are impatient and wants everything to go quickly... how important can those 15 minutes be? We told the staff member that we understood the situation and that she wasn't at fault.
I think a lot about how my grandparents will tell service workers their whole life story as if service workers have the time, energy, or pay to give a shit. The amount of times I've stood and watched as my grandmother told the details of her item returns and why the products didn't work for her--ma'am wrap it up!
Yeah I'm 29 and I hate even working 30 hours a week. I'd genuinely have an aggressive psychotic breakdown if i had to work 60h a week. Fuck that. People need to be more independent, otherwise that's the life they'll be forced to live.
love that you ended that with "you've got fucking Jimin in your damn pfp, do you think Jimin would vibe with this shit?" because the entire time the comment was on screen I was going "damn does this person even know who they stan?"
Rant: I think there's a lot of hate about this subject because a lot of older generations didn't get mental help and maybe they're jealous and annoyed that these younger generations are demanding it. Which is ridiculous. We're seeing a break down in society in so many ways because of the lack of mental health help. Older generations went through horrible traumatic things like war, and slavery, and economic downfall in their adult lives and they were just told to "handle" it. And just because they "got on with it or powered through it" doesn't mean that that was the right course. They should have had help. Maybe we all wouldn't be so screwed up if our parents had gotten help with their own traumas...just saying. And just because they never got help doesn't mean that younger generations should follow their lead. Also life was a lot easier for them when they were our age. Money went further, college was inexpensive, jobs were easy to come by and you could work a long time and get a good retirement. The cost of living was great. You could get married and have kids on one income. You could buy a house for less than $100k. I mean it's all relative. Nowadays there is so much stress, so much pressure, so many kids comparing their lives on social media. That's another thing I get pissed about. We're always told that we're addicted to social media like it's our fault, but 1. the companies are engineered for you to stay on the sites for as long as possible AND 2. THESE COMPANIES WERE MADE BY OLDER GENERATIONS with the single purpose for us to use them. It's so annoying that we are getting blamed for using something...that you...made for us! Hello?! Are you serious right now?
“a union won’t change the 8 hour work day” um unions are actually what got us the 8 hour work day as opposed to spending every waking moment at work..like, organizing for collective power is…quite literally exactly how you change workplace norms but okay
True, but be careful regarding your union. The leaders/reps are known to sell out the workers with bad contracts, or if the union was assembled by corporate itself (or someone from it) then the workers would be no better off. I’m not bashing unions, just do be careful of which ones you join.
@@thatsdisco "this person" has a name, and he's right. *A* union won't solve everything. *ONE* union is useless in the grand scheme of things, what we needs is every single workplace to have legally mandated unions, which unfortunately would require most workplaces already being unionized in order to have enough push to make it happen. No one's saying "union bad" except for Jeff Bezos. Not every leftist idea is flawless. We can have bad or imperfect ideas just as much as the right. Unions are good, but they're not perfect.
Who in the world is saying "Unions are perfect"? Things got so bad to the point recently that there were literally more US Employees under industry-standard noncompete contracts than there were represented by Unions.
First of all Elliot, I would like to say that I often avoid commenting because I am either scared of the wrong thing or because I feel there's nothing I could add to the conversation. However, this time I am pushing myself a little bit, hoping nothing bad is going to come out of this comment. I have been following you for a while now, and I have to tell you how impressive is it that your channel is growing that way is doing it. You are clever, witty, and engaging. I also wanted to tell you how much I needed a video like this: your empathy has a healing effect, and your content rise questions within me or reassures me about my own doubts and intuitions. So, I just wanted to say that, to me, you did an amazing job this time too, Elliot.
I think a lot of young people really cannot even go to their parents for help because their mindsets and experiences are so fundamentally different. I think religion is a huge element here, “Abrahamic” and “non-Abrahamic” worldviews are incompatible at the very core, and I think this difference in the fundamental understandings of the world and behaviors causes so many problems with generational connection. The younger generations seem to me to be overwhelmingly more irreligious, more aware, perhaps even hyper aware of how temporary things are and the impact and limits individual and collective actions have on society in ways that the older generations simply cannot imagine as a result of their upbringing. Speaking of worsening of issues, one of the things you brought up recently was trauma and stress, which in spite of everything seemingly improving on the surface, there is plenty of evidence those things really are getting worse, and that perspective is often ignored. How good can you say things are, if in spite of living longer, you’re stressed every day about climate change, how meaningless your life feels under the current economic system, whether or not the government will decide your right to marriage, healthcare, etc. isn’t protected or worth defending now or tomorrow? These are anything but small issues, and it seems to me the older generations really cannot help here as they have little to nothing they can offer, besides their attention, if nothing else.
Why only Abrahamic religions? What about Buddha who says you should be happy with absolutely nothing? But I guess it’s now clear which nation your propaganda comes from haha.
also, on a semi-related note to this and "Gen Z Is Traumatized" video, the point of younger generations being hypervigilent about good behaviour and morally right takes also extend to how millennials and gen z's are as customers imo. at least for me, as an older gen z who my brothers worked in hospitality and i used to work in restaurants and have parents who work as cooks, i know how mentally draining it is to work at those jobs. so much that i'm wary of coming across like a "karen" and i hate speaking up about something that probably isn't my fault (e.g.: receiving a wrong order) bc idw to inconvenient the server.
This is the exact reason why I don’t think I will ever have kids. I would want them to live a low-stress life where they are able to do whatever they want and not have to work 40+ hours a week for 70 years. I am a full time college who works 35-40 hours a week and every month it seems like I am scrounging up the means to pay rent. And I know as soon as I enter my career a majority of my life will be dedicated to the job and working for a retirement I will most likely never achieve. I will never understand the reason why people will tell others to simply “suck it up” when they’re trying to fix an issue that is only getting worse. Who would want their children to live like that?
Gen xer here. All this that has been thrown at your generation was thrown at mine. It was thrown at my father's generation as well. It's been happening in some forms forever. You are the first generation that truly has the capacity to fully get together and say no. Living through so many harsh economic falls, we did our best to stand up each time. The Internet and millennials made occupy wall Street possible, yet still fail in the end, because only so many got on board. Don't listen to the haters determined to shut you down, there scared to lose what they've scraped and struggled for, and out of touch with what it takes these days. My mother complained about people not just getting a job and I got fed up. I asked her the last time she applied to work some place. She didn't know. I had her apply to the dollar store that's always hiring she frequently goes to, always pointing it out. I went with her and it took her 5 hours just to apply. She didn't understand why they needed her credit history, quizzes and all these useless things. I said that's the way it is now. She didn't get the job. Told her to imagine doing this multiple times a day, and that even if you go through a website like monster, you have to do all this as well. A lot more for work more valuable than a cashier.
I'm so tired of how often it's just ignored that humans are by nature social animals, and most humans quickly become depressed and unhealthy if deprived of a social life. Self-esteem and self-care only go so far for most people; we're just not wired that way. "Just log off the Internet" is actually terrible advice for someone who doesn't have a social network IRL and is using the Internet to feel a small spark of connection with other humans; taking that away from them could be disastrous. Sure, socializing in person would be healthier for most people than socializing online, but that isn't an option for everyone all the time, and online is better than nothing.
I’m forever grateful for my government (tax payers) paying for my living that I’m able to feed myself and my daughter because I’m not capable of working right now. If anyone wondering I’m from Finland. I’m looked down on always by people who work and pay taxes because they are basically paying for my living. But it is what it is.
Sometimes we’re in stages in life that we can’t “function” at the level we need to. I think since the resources are there, it’s better to give people a hand through those times so they can get back on their feet. There are also some people that just can’t and never will be able to really be “fully on their feet” and they shouldn’t live without basic necessities if they straight up can’t provide for themselves. There’s a difference between someone who needs help vs someone being lazy or crappy and people have a hard time seeing that. I work in social service and mental health and it’s painful when my clients just need a break but can’t even catch it because resources aren’t there. If they could get that basic sense of stability, they could get better.
the ones able to work are supporting the ones unable to. It doesn't mean that you not working means you can't give anything in return. I'm sure you are trying your best to take care of yourself and your daughter, maybe even be supportive emotionally or psychologically of people in your social circles and that already makes a huge difference. And it wouldn't be possible for you if you were burned out from being spread so thin you snap into pieces, y'know?
This is a great conversation. What sucks most is that people like you open the conversation & we all just want to see these things come to fruition but deep down we know it wont anytime soon. Its a very needed convo nonetheless that time and time again gets shut out. The generation difference in these current times is very black and white. Our generation is constantly being like hey were not paid enough for x because of this old system were fighting but the boomer generation will actively just say no and not even blink for a second. It sets the future up for failure when you fail to adjust to current times. I think our generation when we are their age will make an effort towards this if it doesnt take place in our lifetime. I’d hate to put the “tough luck” memo on someone younger than me or call someone “soft” because of their uncontrollable lifestyle
Hello, as a younger millennial, I welcome you to the capitalist hell scape we have been complaining about. Prepare to be undervalued, overworked, and belittled. This shit sucks but some of us are trying to make space for others to voice their concerns and ideas. I see you, I hear you, and I am with you. I also want to assure you that your feelings are valid and that you matter. I stand in solidarity with you and send love to Gen z. It's time to deprogram from the capitalist hegemonic state and decolonize our minds. Best!
Every generation gets shat on by the older ones, just the way it goes. Don’t take it seriously, do your thing, if people have criticisms for your generation, point them to who raised them.
Totally get your point. I just don’t agree on the don’t take it personally part. If everyone thinks like that issues are generally overlooked. A cycle is being pointed out and breaking out of it requires acknowledgment and conversation. Everyone is being effected personally with the way things are right now (including generation bashing). Just adding to your already valid comment ❤️
I see your point. However, when someone directs nasty comments at you or the group you're a part of, it is human nature to be hurt by that and/or see it as a threat. It's not always as simple as "don't take it personally" or "they don't know what they're talking about" or "just don't listen to them". I'm tired of the people being threatened or insulted always being expected to bear the responsibility for their own attacks and bear it gracefully, when the problem is actually the people doing the attacking.
@@justrachel4496it is true that it's unfair, but you usually cannot change those people's minds, in the end you end up damaging your own mental health and draining your energy. So be careful on when you push back
I’ve even had therapists who have given me the boomer narrative, and pushed the “tough love” approach on me, telling me to “grow up” and “focus on my career, get married, have children,” and no amount of “I can’t handle this” got through to them They relentlessly told me I needed to deal with it and work hard. They caused me to doubt myself, feeling like I was “in the wrong” for wanting to focus on my hobbies, with job simply paying the bills. Nope. I apparently needed to put my job first and that’s gotta be my life Heck, even one therapist - in his 70’s - cool as heck, hardcore liberal….even he said “well ya gotta work 🤷♂️ working is what you do.” And I kept saying “but we shouldn’t have to work THIS much,” and he said “but it’s what you gotta do I guess he was “progressive for his time,” but still probably a “capitalist liberal.” (Like most Democrats in politics) So on some level, perhaps they’re all victims themselves and projecting that into others, and trying to convince themselves that they didn’t waste their lives working But still, it’s not okay. The religion of workism and hustle culture is ridiculous
As a millennial I hear the same crap that we were told 10-15 years ago. A lot of us are still struggling, are still considered lazy and entitled and are still considered young and dumb despite closing in on 40. The world isn’t fair, and to be honest - I think it only gets more and more unfair as time goes by. I think every generation following mine will have it harder than the one before. One thing I really like with Gen Z though is your “no BS allowed” attitude. I think you have something we don’t; a will to fight, to be the uncomfortable one, to start the discussion. I wish millennials were angrier. We need to be angry. Angry people change the world. Don’t listen to the old people. Be angry. You’re doing great with the situation you were given ❤
Dude I've had these experiences and it is nice to know that I'm not alone. I'm still struggling with emotional vulnerability even if the emotion is positive. I've always suppressed my emotions because I grew up on a family where I had to play the role of "the lost child". Unfortunately, on the internet it is still hard to be vulnerable without people piling on you. One channel that helped me is Healthygamergg. I still feel dead inside(and worse)but I'm slowly getting healthier. Thanks for your videos, it makes me feel less crazy 🤪 and hurt because of the ways people reacted to me being vulnerable.
Thanks for making these videos, Elliot. It's very cathartic to hear you connect and present all these different intersecting thoughts in such a well-explained and complete way. Every time I see comments like the ones you respond to in this video, or hear people say these same things in real life, I feel like I lose brain cells. I have tried and tried to engage the people in my life on these topics (because they are CLEARLY invested in them; in my experience many older people will take or create any opportunity to criticize younger generations of people for almost any reason) but once presented with a challenging thought that beckons the slightest intellectual effort to engage with, it's like they cannot even parse the words, and keep insisting on the same dogmatic nonsense, or they change the subject to some non-sequitur that they somehow believe proves their point. These individuals are either incapable of critical thinking (surely some are) or more likely, they are so entrenched in their own lifetime of trauma and repressed emotions that the concept that the world is not as they believe/want it to be is completely off limits for consideration. I find this rift between younger and older generations to be really demoralizing. Young people need role models, but it is very difficult to look up to anyone when you feel like those same people hate you, hate everything that you are, and tell you that it's YOUR fault.
I'm an artist who seriously struggles with being online and having to try to always be on top of the whole social media game- there were times that i did quit, did take breaks and did consider not being a part of it at all. This came as a response to people saying" why do you complain so much, if you don't like being here then just leave". It really got to me until I realized that that sort of response is so juvenile and comes from people who don't seem to want to be bothered with doing the work of 'caring' or empathizing with someone else because its bumming them out. That if they went through it and got over it, why can't you also. I realized that as an artist in this age who doesn't already have a famous name, wealth, contacts or live in the West, making a name for myself without the help of social media might be impossible- it's become embedded in our systems and culture and success models, so to say just leave, or don't be an artist because you can't handle the pressures of the job is kinda ridiculous. The amount of pure dismissal and aversion towards GenZ and our experiences is exponentially growing and it makes me v mad. It's like, millenials are forgetting that not too long ago, they were the butt of all these jokes from the generation before them and that this is a pattern that has been repeating. Like wow, instead of trying to change things and do better, you're just going off and doing v similar shit to what you realized boomers/ gen X were doing to you. Great job :/ I hope we're nicer to the generations that come after us and continue fighting for a better life.
Well I’m Gen Z and I’ve successfully gotten off all social media (save for RUclips which I limit). I think there are many people, including myself, who are just not equipped to have an online presence. Take influencers into consideration. They commonly complain about trolls and the hate and criticism they get. Some people just cannot handle this kind of attention and that’s ok. I don’t blame them. But you can’t expect things to get better or for trolls just to disappear. I had to accept that there was always going to be negativity that would make me feel like sh*t so I took the initiative and left. And I’ve never been happier. These influencers can easily drop the life they have now if the constant hate and criticism bothers them so much. But they won’t because they want the money and maybe in a way, they like the attention. Who knows? Point is, I know there are people like me who are just not equipped for social media. It’s up to them to reflect and decide if social media is really serving them or not. Just my take.
I also think “boomers” have a right to be concerned about our generation to an extent. Hell, I’m even concerned about my generation. We’re getting to a point that social media is replacing real-world interactions. Is that not concerning? We are losing our communication and social skills just by constantly being tapped into social media. There’s a recent Pew poll that reported that today’s teenagers “prefer to interact online” with their friends. That’s a huge concern. Today’s kids aren’t going to have the necessary skills to take them into the real world. They won’t be able to function. I completely understand why “boomers” have an aversion to social media. I do too.
really really sick and tired of feeling like if i openly talk abt my issues, i'm not really suffering. idk if it's just those videos that claim that if ur talking abt shit ur going through, ur faking or making it "ur whole personality" but i'm sick and tired of it. even if idk how to really put it into words, it'd be comforting to know the option to talk abt my shit is there if i need it but instead i have to just stay quiet and sit around like i'm doing great and everything is dandy bc if i don't, i'm suddenly attention seeking and i'm "too young" to have any idea what any of that stuff is like.
Honestly as someone who’s also “too young” to know what any of this stuff is like i can relate to what you said, sometimes i wanna type about things i went through or my opinion on the topic of a certain video but i just dont find it worth doing so or because im not good at putting my thoughts into words i can barely convince people about things
Yes! Today the world is expecting more. Groceries cost more and our pay raises (if blessed to get one) barely keeps my big ass head afloat. I had to get a second job just to continue college and afford shopping for clothes and going out to eat once or twice a week while maintaining an inflated priced apartment. I am pushed to either learning with my “intellectual big head” to a field of computer science or starting my own job! I’m pressed, stressed, blessed, but not soft. In China the saying goes to “TOUCH FISH” because people push their productivity so hard you and I are expected to be like that golden child, but the younger gen in China are trying to take it chill and laid back. “The phrase is a spin on an old proverb about making the most of a crisis in order to benefit personally: 'muddy waters make it easy to catch fish'” I say WORK AS HARD AS YOU ARE PAID. 😂 because the pay is a joke. I hope the employers decide to pay enough to afford our labor. Edit: Please be nice to all employees. I greatly appreciate it and I return it. If possible, don’t blow up at employees if they are having a grumpy day.
I actually believed that I was soft cause I couldn't take insults without crying.. So I tried acting like I didn't care about anything in particular even tho I did and well my friends ended up thinking I was cold and distant.
That’s cause that’s pretending not to feel peoples hate, Firstly- insults only hurt as much as your own insecurities already do. Secondly- opinions can’t matter if you only value what’s true, so they think your work is shit? And? What does feedback mean to your continued progress and why is this person the judge of your self worth? Self esteem is something you have to build of logic and understanding detached from your urges.
Very valid points and well spoken, these are the exact problems and trauma I have experienced as a young millennial and it hurts me that Gen Z is also going through it.
this is like people who get mad about student debt forgiveness. the idea that, oh i suffered so you should have to suffer just like i did. like just accept what you can't change. except that's the whole point of people pointing out injustices. because the way society/corporations/systems treat people shouldn't be acceptable so rather than believing that you can't do anything about it, speaking up on it rallies people together to change these systems for the better.
millenial here, social media is crucial to daily functioning. I dont have fb. despite texting/ calling existing, me not having fb means i never hear from my family. holidays, birthdays, gatherings, news, its all done via fb group chat. yes, my family sucks but still, u cant just avoid social media. its not doable today. plus, some companies find u sketchy if u dont have social media
Also friends in real life! Everytime I meet a cool person, our friendship always ends after they ask me my instagram or twitter. I dont have any social media at all except youtube. Online messaging and social platforms is literally part of our culture now and people should really force companies to make these apps non-exploitative.
the last comment really sums up how capitalism has fucked the world so hard. not even a 'boomer' dunking on gen z, but a fellow gen z has internalized all that inter generational trauma to the point they couldnt even recognize it themselves while writing out that comment how devoid of empathy they sounded and then passing it on to others, while using a Jimin profile photo- one who has advocated for better work life balance, who has pushed for self-love and healing, who has had to cut off their own social media experience due to comments from fans for his own mental health and safety. Like,,,, the lack of self-awareness was astounding and sad in how blatant it is.
as someone who regularly makes content on tiktok, the whole "just turn off your phone" response is so insensitive. I'm a queer POC and im also assigned female at birth and being attacked by bigots for no reason can be disheartening. people act like words even from strangers have no value and that it's embarrassing for you to feel offended or bothered. like yeah i guess i can turn my phone off or avoid looking at such comments but that doesn't mean it won't have any effect on me. and even if it does affect someone, why should that be a sign of weakness? and those people who say that are those don't go through what I go through. but it feels worse when people who've understood what i felt downplay the negative emotions i feel. I spite all of those people because it's just like my childhood all over again. ive been told to suck it up before, and having to go through that again in a place i thought could be a safe space for me feels horrible
I don’t have the energy to respond to every point here but I can’t do these anymore. I want the best for gen Z but you need self awareness also. A lot of your generalisations apply to a specific tax bracket of older generations and so much of this comes across incredibly entitled when basically mocking what a lot of us had to do. There’s just zero self awareness around what had to be done or how we approach policy issues differently or that we might also have extensive qualifications in economics now and rather than talking down to ppl, engage like you don’t think are morally superior on issues and it will be more productive. You are the first generation who has been conditioned to overshare private struggles to strangers on the internet, so he fact we don’t, doesn’t mean we don’t have the same struggles and doesn’t mean we didn’t have a more difficult day when we have to comfort you crying
Honestly the condescending language towards someone who has message that is likely less educated is pretty cringe. Trust me when I say you have a lot to learn in terms of the complexity of all these matters when you refer to intellectual conversations you have a superficial understanding of a lot of things. That’s fine, I probably did too at your age, but I had awareness of that.
i feel as if one factor older folks seem to fail to acknowledge is the emphasis and borderline entitlement to instant gratification that the internet has imposed within realms of standards/expectations. the world is operating faster than ever, from the programs we grew up watching to the rapid succession of consuming product; think apps like doordash, apple pay, or even online shopping. we are processing information, and more information than ever at that, at an accelerated rate, and due to technocapitalism at the forefront of innovation, we are expected to perform, adapt, and resonate at the same baseline of an algorithim. we are dehumanized on a daily basis. the "advice" we receive only holds but so much relevancy bc we are growing up in vastly different social/economical landscapes, one where we have no choice but to confront the inevitable collapse in plain sight. we cannot simply tune out the pain of the world bc we are directly targeted as the mediator for issues we have little to no contribution towards, such as greenwashing ads that place blame on working class folks for pollution/landfills as opposed to the legislators that favor banks and corporations' direct funding towards projects that cause a disproportionate amount of harm. we are told to emotionally and practically solve a myriad of issues that we receive little to no formal education, let alone guidance on. we are placed on pedestals as beacons of hope for the future, but it seems we are tied to these pedestals as opposed to voluntarily stepping up to the plate. in the same breath we are praised, we are also belittled and blamed. let us at the very least have some fucking memes and discord to rectify for all the bullshit we have to face
I think on top of your excellent response to the notion of "Gen Z being soft," I would add, what is so wrong with being soft? People are allowed to be gentler, kinder, and prefer a softer, slower way of life. I'm a millennial, and I have nothing but respect and love for a younger generation that pivoted from the "growth and progress at the expense of ourselves" mindset into a more caring and community-based approach to life. Our way killed us, it clearly doesn't work, I am fully in support of them trying something different.
Your video " TikTok is traumatized " helped me a lot when I was 8 -13ish maybe Older, my older brother(Anson), SA me, Atticus (younger brother), Porter (also younger brother) for years, he was a body builder, did football along with other sports, my point being he was BULIT, and I was at the most 90lbs, anytime our parents went out to shop, run errands etc., he would do it and threaten that if we told he would beat us up worse than he already did, so we just kept it a secret, whenever it happened the three of us would make fun of each other when it happens to them, ( I don't lmow why we did it, it made me feel bad when we did but we still did it), one time I remember vividly, was one night, he got me out of bed at like 12 or 1am, took me to his room and did stuff while he put a movie on for me to watch, the point of all this, was that you made me realize that I can ACTUALLY come to terms to what happened to not only me but younger brothers as well and that I can move past this as well, if anyone else has similar issues feel free to share so we can heal a little bit together, Sorry for any spelling mistakes or grammar mistakes, but I just wanted to get this out as soon as possible, I left out a LOT of details for obvious reasons and also so you can get the gist of it, Thank you so much Elliot, I love you so much, ♥
26:00 and even if we could open a coffee shop, are we all supposed to be entrepreneurs?? Is it gonna be 20 coffee shops per block and no employees in any of them other than the owner? And if not, are the employees always supposed to suffer in your worldview?
You mentioning Jimin vibing with that comment made me giggle, because he would NOT vibe with that sh*t indeed 😂 Also made me think of "Silver Spoon"/"Baepsae" by BTS as well...a song by them actively criticizing work environments and power dynamics within society... HMMM...
It's almost funny how this philosophy is a universal thing for adults. Even my Polish mother every time I tell her about my problems like anxiety her response is "I was similar when I was your age *blah blah blah*" basically saying that either she had it worse or "at least she had a REASON" or when I told her how her family traumatized me as a kid her response was "See and I had to live like that my whole life". And every time I tell her that it doesn't matter who had it worse and she comes off as saying "don't be sad, I had it worse" her response is that it's not what she means BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING
I’m often grateful that the internet came out when I was in high school because I had it at home but it was fairly rare and nobody had it in their pocket. Kids have the unfortunate tendency to thoughtless cruelty already, they don’t need the ability to do it ‘anonymously’ or from the safety of their bedroom and they definitely don’t need the incentive to start trouble in order to get attention by filming it. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if gen z kids have a very particular type of trauma just from growing up ‘over-connected’.
I'm an older millennial and I worked in restaurant kitchens for years. I tried to get out for years and it was so, so hard! The advice of 'just get another job' was given to me and was as bullshit a decade ago as it is today. Service work is necessary and should be valued and service workers deserve respect. I'm only out of cooking now due to a severe injury that forced me out and the privilege of parents who could help me go back to school. The 'start your own café' was the absolute silliest and most cruel 'advice' I think I've ever heard.
It's always the people saying everything is about personal choices that completely ignore the broader context of why things are the way they are due to economic\historical reasons. I've argued with so many teen mom haters and fatphobic people and it's like playing chess with a pigeon.
Hey, Idk if you'll read this but I first heard about your channel through the previous gen z video. And I just want to say thank you so so much for bringing these spaces to discuss these matters, especially in the current context. Thank you. I also especially appreciate the way that you discuss these topics: you aren't guided by narcissism, ego, pride (being right or trying to get people to praise you basically), when discussing anything ; you are open to DEBATES, hearing OTHER'S points of view, willing to depict a reality with as many inputs as possible. And that's absolutely not common. I swear to god you have the methodology all journalists should have. Your tranquility shows your dignity and openness. Keep it up. pd: it would be great if you divided this and other videos by sections, to make the accesibility to the information you provide more dinamic. My apologies if I made any mistakes, my english has it's flaws.
"If anything that's HARD. If anything, that's STRENGTH." Where is your damn KoFi link young man. You're out here saving the mf world. Edit: Donated a lil bit to the coffee fund. Please keep doing what you do. Honestly, THIS is the right way to go off on people. You come at them with straight truth and logic. THIS is what we're missing from the discourse: Going off but with compassion. Why do more people not know how to do this?
I just want a job where I don't have to lobotomise myself to cope. I can't work while my thoughts are running at 100 miles an hour, but I can't relate to people while my brain is running on essential functions only, and sometimes it doesn't come back up to speed
The old people who shit on that barista are the same people who acted like being compelled to wear a mask was attempted murder. They are probably also the same people who cannot understand why their kids don't call or visit during holidays.
And I hate to link it to religion but its the fact that so many older folks are religious and their holy books talk about love and compassion ( IF you look past allowing slaves, beating or raping women for disobedience, enstilling respect with abuse etc lol do you see the irony) but when we ARE compassionate and try to help our fellow humans in the way we think best with the dubious tools we have we arent strong enough, we arnt smart enough, we are lazy and unaware. People mistake trauma of a hard unfogiving live within capitalism fkr hardened strength when in reality they have ingested the poison and bully younger generations the same way their parents, bosses, managers, teachers and political figures had done to them. Lets be better and break the cycle PLEASE because we will ruin ourselves as a species
The reason they willingly let us suffer is twofold. They haven’t been able to heal from their own trauma, and they’ve repressed their pain for so long they don’t even realize it. Now genZ is speaking out and they can’t empathize, the thought of empathizing makes them angry because where was that empathy when they were suffering? Many of them don’t even know that’s the reason they’re so angry and it’s so sad.
Excellent show!! Once again, I find myself taking a closer look at how my generation was raised. It's not pleasant but I do it. I thought about what you said about parenting or parents, and I think this is a huge factor in our lack of empathy and dehumanization. Look at most people out there don't want to say it but our parents were f***** up. Yes we had a great time it was a great time to grow up we had lots of fun our parents had fun. But we are products of our parents and we were forced to suppress our feelings not to cry...deal with it. you don't like it? move somewhere else. you don't like it? get another job. If you think you can do better than do it, but stop whining and crying about it. I see these types of comments come up quite often after your shows and a lot of them ring true of how I used to think. I've heard them and said them out of my own mouth plenty of times in my life. Thanks to you I am starting to change the way I think and feel about people in general not just gen z. The bottom line is it's hard for us to talk s*** about our parents or the way we brought up or to find any fault in them at all because we weren't raised to think that way. We had a great time growing up so that must mean our parents were awesome right? NO! I think if you really delved into it you would find out just how f***** up our parents really were in many different ways but again they were a product of their parents. With that being said I will just say that I hope for the best for your generation and generations after you I believe that gen z is going to help slowly change people and make it okay to be human. You're not off base you are right on and keep doing what you're doing and I hope people out there keep trying to find you know better ways to do things and get the mental health that they need because that is a key element in changing our society. I think I might feel even a little more hopeful for your generations if I saw more of people my age empathizing or agreeing or trying to find some kind of way to understand the message that you're trying to put out there but unfortunately I just don't see that in the comments from people my age, sort of scary. Thank you so much for your work, looking forward to your next show.
Continue up the good work mate. I tend to lean centre-right politically and the thumbnail of the video caused friction in me. On one side I understand that you have to be strong to endure life but the opposite of the argument there are older people who throw these insults like "snowflake" or "soy boy" when young people have valid criticisms (such as the housing crisis). Back in the day, life was tougher (worse infrastructure, less education etc), that is true, but houses were cheaper especially when compared to the yearly working class salary. Thanks for posting this video. It's nice to hear the perspectives of different people, even if you initially disagree at first glance.
i think there are two main reasons why some people expect that others should be able to endure hardships: 1. because they endured the same or worse and haven't processed it 2. because of a lack of understanding of how and why these things are difficult to endure in the first place The second point is quite self-explanatory, so i'm going to focus on the first. When i was about 6 or so, i thought that my younger sister was being spoiled, when in reality she was just being less traumatized than me. I didn't have the understanding of psychology required to assess what is an appropriate amount of hardship that a child should face in their life. There were many instances later in life when i learned about X or Y being traumatizing that i had also gone through without realizing that they damaged me. I was just emotionally disconnected from those experiences, so i didn't notice them consciously, but they still affected me subconsciously. I have worked through some of these things and acknowledged that in some regards my childhood was disadvantaged, but i wouldn't blame someone who was unable to do that. What if they aren't emotionally prepared to face their past trauma and someone else bringing up something that connects to it is triggering a strongly negative emotional response to protect them from empathizing. What if empathizing would bring down their own emotional walls and leave them unable to cope. I have sometimes triggered something like that in some people and it can be devastating. When someone's walls are broken down and then they aren't sure if they will ever be able to live a normal life again, it really makes me feel like maybe they would have been better off not understanding themselves. Sometimes those protective psychological barriers are there for a reason. What if they STILL have no safety net to fall back on in case they break? Yeah, it is a pretty assholish behavior, but it's really about them, not about us. So my approach is just to ignore them.
Damn I'm finna act like one of those twitter ARMYs real quick with that last comment cause DAMN. Imagine typing all that with a Jimin pfp sheesh girl BTS' messages have been FLYING over their head. Another stellar discussion as usual Elliot, Keep it up man. EDIT: 39:12 THAT'S WHAT I'M SAAAAYING!!!! LIKE??? LMAO
people who claim we have it better than other generations (welp, i am a millenial, but i guess i am still plagued by the same things as you guys), kinda forgot that we had a massive crash in 2008 that the world to this day hasnt recovered from, while at the same time being at the brink to the next crash. yeah great, we have better tech. but the tech that really matters, the tech that actually should improve our lifes only benefit the rich because they are the ones who now can have us do the same work 4 people did in the past, while only paying for a single person (plus initial cost of the technology, but it doesnt matter since they save so much money on human labor). nothing is better. and if i continue with "the richest 1% of the population hog more than 50% of the global wealth", there will be a few dumdums who will call me an idiot because "daddy elon is making everyone lifes better!" and "people like him are the ones who have to bear these huge responsibilities and risks" and "anyway they are providing jobs". yeah no. if i lose my job, i will lose my apartment. if these people lose their job because they tanked a company, they get rewarded with another few millions. they will sleep VERY well after they destroyed hundreds and in melon husks case thousands of peoples lifes. and they will do comfortably so too. serf brained people are by far the worst waste of fresh air.
Main thing is, all of the people commented are definitely way older than us, so they did not receive any better experience and ended up thinking that is the norm and should not or can not be change.
I found your channel, and I can't stop watching your videos because HOLY SHIT, because you cover so many dark topic or shit takes like in this video and just... Disarm them. Not like DESTROYING in the argument, just take it apart until there's nothing left and you do it without being antagonistic and hostlie. It's so validating. I wish more people would be like this in the real life.
good video Elliot, love your content! Althogh I´m not into America´s job culture, i can say it´s kinda the same in Argentina, the lack of training for a job may account for the poor conditions a worker has to face. Here you need to have 2 jobs and pray to have some time left to keep college education. Also inflation it´s a big issue and no one cares as long as you keep your mouth shut and work, because everybody it´s in the same. My advice to whomever reads this, is to focus on your dreams and form a community to find a way together. ❤❤
Hi Elliot, I’d love for you to do a video on why people are scared of having a community or reaching out. Rn in my social studies class we’re learning about the shift from classical liberalism to modern liberalism, which is Broadening the individual rights and freedoms to differentiate types and amount of ppl. I’m not great at putting the things I think into words, but I find your Articulation and vernacular somehow expresses what I wish to express myself. Thank you! :)
Kinda forgot where I was going about talking about my class, but I think the lack of empathy and compassion for other people truly is causing more problems then moving towards solving them.
The last comment was actually bizarre… I don’t understand how a person can be so insensitive to someone else’s struggles. Capitalism is rotting our brains, it’s sad to see 😕
I call them Boomer fortune cookies. "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" "Everything happens for a reason" "When life gives you lemons, make lemonade"
“Focus on the positives” make me think two things: 1- people who are struggling with the deluge of negativity in the media and are self-protecting by focusing on positives or 2-people who are frightened/grieving and in the avoidant/denial stage.
I want to start by saying I love your videos and I love your thoughtful analysis on the different topics that you speak on, they really engaged with and put thought processes into topics that I usually don't put much thought into... With that said I'm 32 years old, I'm currently homeless by choice. I chose this struggle due to the concept of working to live... Your video inspired me to think about the idea that most billionaires have a very dark past of how they got to be billionaires. Most people who are not billionaires have to struggle and wonder where their food is coming from. Or in my case wait a certain amount Of time living in my car to save up a certain amount of money to get a head start on a more fruitful life. Living and existing comes with a trade-off in one form or the other. Our "work to live" would be either hunting buffaloes or pouring venti iced lattes for 8 hours... Or employing child labor in order to make billions per year... I want to post this on your previous video because I want to bridge the gap between what you feel and what the previous generation is presenting... I do apologize on their behalf for what you had to deal with in some of these comments. Bless and take care
speaking on the job and just get anouther job, its very hard. lots of places are saying thee hiring and actually arent, or are but arent in any rush. also starbucks might still be better than everywhere else they have access to.
26:33 ha! I was just trying to explain to my friend that "you should just sell your art to make extra money" is not that simple. She thought my rant about it was me talking myself out of doing it... when i gave no indication that i thought i couldn't do it. I was trying to explain to her how unreliable that is, and all the other things that come with it... there is no "just" doing it. Also, as it was said in the video, even if you CAN do it, that doesn't mean it's for everybody (among other points i made)
I think a lot of people don't want to show their vulnerable side because they don't want to be taking advantage of because of the law of averages of running across someone who will do that and it's not because they're a bad person nearly I think it's because they've been socially engineered to be that type of self-serving opportunist.
It's telling that there are so many people who will respond to vulnerability with indifference or even outright derision, all the while demonstrating a fundamental lack of imagination.
Also, I think people who say “just find another job” don’t realize the difficult reality of that for people. Like there are so many things that make things like that difficult from financial to free time to look. And also, if we don’t change the reality of how bad the working conditions of these jobs are then it doesn’t matter if you do find another job. It’s crappy in its own way. That last comment was a doozy. To show so little empathy, especially when sporting a Jimin profile pic, like wtf?! I hope they take some time to reflect and get the help they need because a whole lot of pain is wrapped up in their words.
These comments are exactly what keep me from wanting to exercise my freedom of speech amendment online the amount of brain damage when you’re so digestible atleast to me cause I’m not missing some parts of the movie lol but fuccc this the type of shit that give ppl anxiety for being online
i always get hit with “go outside if you’re tired of being in the same place all the time” and it’s like go where??? i’m in a small ass town with less than 300 ppl in it and our biggest attraction is walmart and bath and body works that’s not even IN our town.
i think calling people soft for speaking up about their issues is a way of trying to make them soft. it's hoping they are soft enough to just cave under the slightest pressure. it's an assertion that tries to make itself true and is done in outrage at the fact it clearly isn't true
Its the fact that older people don't take us seriously, yet we're told constantly that we're responsible for how the world turns out in a couple years, as if they even listen to us in the first place.
Also, they went from "Don't trust anyone over 30!" to "Respect your elders!" VERY quickly. Coincidence?
I just see zoomers being told the same things millennials were told years ago it's sad
Tbh I think millennials got treated worse…they were getting called lazy for a lot of things gen z is now called brave for.
@@sib9769 no one gets it worse it's not a competition. Plus, gen z gets called "lazy" many times as well.
@@sib9769 exactly
I've said it before and I'll say it again: older people operate under this weird dynamic of "i suffered growing up, therefore i want to make sure my children and grandchildren dont." And instead go "i suffered growing up, why shouldn't they?"
Older people are driving me crazy. It's like the industrial revolution all over again, just the technical revolution. They are so bitter and insist on giving unsolicited advice (or just plain criticism) about a world that they truly don't understand. They cannot understand that the world isn't the same as the 60s or 80s despite THEM being the ones that voted for legislation for decades that got us in this position. They insist on us working harder, longer hours, and refuse to properly adjust wages and sit there, going "why aren't people having families?" Like?? We can't AFFORD to, why would we squirt out kids and then just drop them off in daycare? why is that generation SO resistant to having more free time, higher wages, and more flexible jobs? Is it because they are bitter? They wasted their lives dedicated to a career that really accounts to nothing since they have no connection with their family and if they didn't make a huge amount of money, they are still being shipped off to retirement homes to be cared for by strangers. I think those generations, even older millennials are so bitter and angry and hostile. Why is it a crime to be compassionate? Why is it a crime to want a healthier work balance? Why is it a crime to want higher wages? We don't want to be cogs in the machine and i don't care if the companies suffer. 💅 Why would we break our back for a company that could easily replace us?
That pick me in the last comment just about made me explode. Oh my god, people want to pursue happiness and contentment and purpose? OH MY GOD.
Born in 79.
Always hated the 'GEN X' clowns.
'Young people' are like tons of GEN Xers. HUGE hypocrites, with zero sense of real world duty and service if it doesn't 'pay' in some form.
The main thing that should change is going back to farming for millions of people. Real happiness. Won't happen with retards thinking the musculo-skeletal system of the human body was created to 'sweat in a gym' or to self destruct because too much electronics and watching 'gender neutral' videos..
[I love sounding like a boomer]
You are right! There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to enjoy your life. There is nothing wrong with questioning our corporate overlords, or why we “go to work” and work the way we do. This is the tech revolution and we need to question these things so the inevitable changes benefit us and not those who are already wealthy and free to live life.
This. Just... This.
Sounds like they’re subconsciously trying to rationalize their shitty upbringings because they’re afraid they wasted their lives doing what they were told.
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i hate not being taken seriously on anything and any attempt i make to make myself heard i get hated on for, whether its my family or teachers, ive always been told i look prettier when im quiet
Jesus that sucks! Remember that you and your problems deserve to be heard, no matter what your teachers or family may say. I hope you have friends or other people to talk to
i've been through the same thing... it's harsh. don't get too down on yourself. just do what works, communicate in the way that works best for you. you will find the people who truly care about you.
I am sorry to hear that. I hope you can find a way to be heard. Mental health is important!
Boomers will literally be like “I went through something bad, so now you will too!!” And then be like “wdym I traumatized you? I would never do that 🥺🥺🥺”
To be fair, the word "trauma" is being thrown around so much these days that it's become ludicrous.
@@thegr8m849 do you know the definition of the word? Trauma has to do with the bodies response to a situation, deadass anything could be traumatizing, especially when you're a kid. Just because PTSD has only really been talked about for people in warzones, doesn't mean veterans are the only people who have been traumatized.
@@mewmew6158 Doesn't change the point of my comment. The word is still overused to describe otherwise banal situations.
Trauma isn't a just body's response to ANY situation... It's a psychological distress, to the point that it rids a person's ability to cope. I've seen fat activists claiming that seeing calories in a menu, or seeing the word FAT (in Taylor Swift's recent music video) are "traumatizing". I'm sorry but that's just ridiculous.
@@thegr8m849 I get what you're saying and I agree that it is definitely a word used outside of it's intended definition but it has honestly morphed and formed into both a technical definition and sort of a slang term of sorts...
We use it for real trauma and to make an impact statement about something that was in reality just a minor inconvenience.
@@thegr8m849 I think people overacted about Taylor's video but that's with the knowledge that TS was talking about an eating disorder. If certain words trigger a person or seeing calories upsets them then that's a reflection of their insecurity. I understand the need for sympathy but there's also a line. Just because something upsets you, does not mean others have to cater to your needs or projections. Too many people demand change for things that were not about them in the first place, but they needed validation so they made it about themselves.
The way capitalism has people complicit in their own oppression is sad. Like they’re proud that they had to work under conditions that dehumanized them and made them struggle unnecessarily. All these people describing how they endured hell or finally stopped crying on the inside and sucked up their pain like it’s a badge of honor that anyone worth living should be happy to have is both sad and frustrating. Working at a Starbucks shouldn’t have to be an emotional endurance test. You shouldn’t have to job hop to be treated with a modicum of dignity.
This ❤
I know you can't hear my voice so you have to trust that I'm saying this without any malice: the struggle unnecessarily part how would you, if you ruled the world (America) stop 1.8 million people from struggling, and what would you do if you found out people were struggling under your rule?
@@JStorm90TV sure, let's imagine a world where America is run entirely by one person
What makes you think that a random RUclips commenter -- or indeed, you yourself -- could possibly know the mechanisms by which such a ruler would operate? Know them well enough to compile an economic plan on the spot?
Here's a start, though: redirect the violence that's currently aimed at keeping the working class in line, and instead aim it at preventing a certain level of profit seeking. Like, simply disallow the 1%, you know, see what happens
@@JStorm90TV It's ridiculous to expect anyone to know """the answer""" to suffering and you know that, don't put your bad faith arguments here no matter how much malice you don't have. Just because someone doesn't have the perfect solution to a problem doesn't mean they shouldn't try to improve their situation.
If I controlled America Or the world then I would cut military spending across the board and put that money into education and social work. I don't know very much about how to actualize those so I hire experts to delegate those tasks to. There's literally no reason to think I would need to do ANY step of this process alone, and no reason to think that if my plan doesn't work very well then helping people is a failed idea.
Get your act together
@@buttsbrown2442 fuck, this is an incredible quote 👏
My mom grew up in extreme poverty with no support and she worked so hard to get where she is now. I respect her so much for that, but unfortunately it means she has very little empathy for people who put in any effort less than 100%, even me. Especially me. It means I feel like a failure if I'm not constantly giving ALL of myself to my work. It's not a healthy mindset and I hope everyone can recognize someday that we deserve more from life than constant work work work
People just love to shove their own values down others' throats.
You value work highly? Cool, but I don't care
Holy shit, story of my life, my mom is a single mom and I respect for her grind to try to give us a better life....but is just really insensitive towards me and my generation, just because I don't wanna work work work like she does "Your generation is so lazy." yeah because wanna life their life instead of waste their life? Okay.
I'm so fortunate. My mom was a single parent, uneducated, and was put through the ringer going to night school to become a respiratory therapist.
I remember a hotel she worked nights at and had to bring my sister and I along to sleep in the lobby. I was too young to understand how unusual that was, and she hid it well.
She is in a much better place now, and hasn't grown hard, angry and apathetic to others. That's probably a big part of why I never did either.
The ones saying to “quit and get a new job” are showing their privilege. It is not easy to get a new job, especially in this economy, AND in a entry level position living check by check! There are so many job cuts AND these jobs (cough cough corporate America) are expecting recent college graduates to have so many experiences. If that was the case, I would’ve been quit my job a month or two ago when I noticed the toxic patterns. I am trying my best to stay a little longer while looking for another job. I cannot just leave. I have bills to pay, food, and other necessities to provide. I swear these tone-deaf people😒… Seriously, thank you for your content Elliot, and thank you Danae for the editing🙌🏾‼️
Facts
Fr, my older brother got fired from his job by his lazy boss, he said "i hated that job but i would have stayed if i had the chance".
Where i live there are barely any jobs like cashier left. They are making it mandatory to go to the autopay. So, like what jobs ?
been recently looking for a new job and no joke, around 90% are offering part time and about $11-13 an hour. I’m trying to move out so I NEED full time. I don’t want to go through coordinating schedules with multiple jobs every single week and being put down for having “other commitments” (ie. another job which is necessary for my survival).
The internet’s inability to accept true vulnerability but using jokes n meta-memes as an outlet sums it up so well for me. Reminds me of creators being honest and open about how (not having) “pretty privilege” has affected them (and the overlap of many isms and phobias), people understanding, and dismissing the truth to take the piss is mind boggling. “You’re insecure” “you’re ungrateful” “you’re lazy”…? Vulnerability (and empathy) is a superpower. Those that are not vulnerable are silently hurting and building RESENTMENT from unfulfilled expectations no one is able to meet bc no one knows. As you listen to psychology you understand that a person who is reactionary (hypersensitive), unable to fully express themselves beyond anger and frustration, and defensive is far more “weak” (using their words) than one who is open to the opportunity of being pleased, loved, and respected. That is strong to put yourself out there like that, even when there’s a possibility to get hurt.
Everyone hates their job. From Starbucks baristas to college educated teachers, nurses and silicone valley tech bros. Nobody is truly happy. So idk why "Get a new job" is everyone's default. We're literally put on earth to pay bills and die. Sound macabre but at this rate we won't have money to enjoy little luxuries. Sydney Sweeney an Emmy nominated actress said she can't go 6 months without working because actors are paid so little. So people need to reevaluate their childish responseses to ppl that are on the verge of breaking down.
Sydney wasn't getting paid little, she was trying to live beyond her means and have a 6 month break during the prime of her career opportunities. Vast difference
I think its more of a culture thing and the jobs in it , than the jobs themselves tbh
That’s kind of how society works. We all need to chip in to keep this ship afloat. And despite what others tell you, you can still have a lot of money left over to enjoy those little luxuries if you learn how to respect money and spend it wisely and above all, live within your means. That means no more fucking door dash 6 nights out of the week and having 8 different subscriptions to streaming services. Here’s a cool life hack, if you want to spend your money on something nice, make sure you save enough where you can buy it twice. You live life like that and your savings account will always have 4 digits instead of 3 or 2.
@@User71956 LMAO
I don't really "hate" my job. I don't even dislike it. My job works well for me. I wish I wasn't selling products that are slowly contributing to our killing of the earth, but that type of existential dread doesn't feel the same as hating my job. However, I don't get paid enough, unless the minimum wage goes up by $10 an hour there's no way I will ever be paid enough. And that makes me hate this fucking system. The actual work I do, though, I don't mind it at all -- and it's retail. But they treat me like a human and are respectful of my wishes, and that makes all the difference.
Some people, they think about doing similar tasks every day and that sounds like hell. Well, maybe this is just the way I look at it, but in retail I have stimulating problems to solve every day, I like a lot of the people at my job, and I feel like management is there to help and guide us. Work is not ever going to be fun, but it doesn't have to suck as much ass as it does in our decaying capitalist hell of a world.
I live in a country that’s going through the worst political turmoil and our teachers keep saying that: "yOu sHaLL bE tHe fLaG bEarEr’s oF rEvOluTiOn." BRUH LET ME LIVE I DONT WAN TO BRING NO REVOLUTION
That’s depressing how we all just want to live. Not be responsible for generations Problems that they brought on to us that they expect us to solve and to “push through“.
man i hate when people say that. they expect so much from us, they expect us to be the new leaders, they expect us to be these role models when we all just want to live our goddamn lives like we've been trying to do for years. i don't want to be a role model or a leader because i hate being looked up to. i'd rather seek validation and meaning in my life from what i like doing, not whether i can be a good useful leader for my community god damn
Where?
When they say that I’m like BRUH HOW ABOUT YOU GO BE THE FLAG BEARER YOU’RE THE ADULT I need to go home and eat my cereal and do my homework
@@whatcanidooo millennial here. I will carry a flag near you.
Man, as a 37 year old that always gets confused for a 25 year old, old people treat “young” people poorly all the time. God forbid I ever get “old”
Aging is one thing, but “old” is an attitude and mindset.
I work in a company where people are twice my age in a similar job position i just feel like people don't respect me and don't think I can make my own decisions.
I'm a millennial and I can tell you that the "just log off" "advice" is not the panacea it's framed as, which will come as a surprise to no one with two neurons to rub together. I've never had twitter, instagram, or tiktok and guess what? I still feel depressed, anxious, hopeless about future prospects and self-conscious about my body compared to influencers. It's almost impossible, unless you have a LOT resources, to divorce yourself entirely from being online in some form. i feel a lot of empathy for gen z who grew up online. I'm not sure I'd have made it.
Why is it so difficult for some people to just acknowledge that circumstances are pretty dire, the future is an uphill struggle if not outright bleak, and the weight of fixing it falls squarely on the shoulders of gen z -- while they are mocked by those who caused the problems.
So many young people, with the help of the internet, are realising they've been sold lies and are caught in a web of systems that deliberately disenfranchise them, only to be left stranded with that information feeling like they can't do much at all to fight it.
maybe, just maybe, it's the current state of the world that's the problem and not gen z being "soft", Collective trauma indeed. Thank you for your awesome content.
You don’t need to have a ton of resources to log off. You just need to have 1-2 real life friends to hang out with once a week. Trust me, you can do this. There’s classes, there’s volunteering, there’s clubs to join, there’s a lot of different avenues to making friends in real life. Getting the fuck out of the house would be a good start.
@@User71956 You are still being condescending in my opinion (albeit maybe not as much as some of the people in this video) because you are ignoring the point the person made about "a web of systems that deliberately disenfranchise them". The only way to fully "log off" from all this shit -- not being able to pay rent, being stuck in a job you hate, climate crisis/natural disasters, mental health crisis, abuse, inaccessible design, individualist/anti-collective ideologies, etc. -- is to straight up dissociate 24/7 and that's clearly not healthy. It's really nice that you are trying to be encouraging about going outside and building human connection because those ARE important, but ask yourself if you would say the same thing ("you just need some friends") to someone whose house just burned down? Hopefully you wouldn't, and that's what I mean when I say that you are being condescending. That's the kind of shit people are going through.
@John Who so what about people who don't have friends? 💀
@@ihavenoname330 you can still join a club and try to find people there
Elder Millennial here. I'd say logging off for Gen Z is akin to just giving up. Hell, I'd say the same for my generation.
The Internet is their escape from today's corporate hellscape. With enough drive, research, and luck, you can make a very comfortable living working for yourself on social media. It's that, or some corporate gig that will underpay and overwork you until they can afford to replace you with a robot.
Logging Off is disconnecting from your last lifeline. It just isn't an option.
Fun fact, the human brain is wired to only work hard/concentrate/hyperfocus on a singular task for up to 4 hours per day. (That includes breaks, it does not have to be 4 hours straight.)
So if you cannot work or concentrate on work for 4 hours...that is literally human evolution.
Source? (genuinely curious, not being a dick)
@@bignate6021 Cal newports book 'deep work', if you want scientific papers you can probably find them in that books reference section.
They also bathe in a river, take a dump in a hole and build their own mud huts, you. an also do this and hunt at the park.
@@rmac3217 am I having a stroke? What are you even talking about
@@squiresandspurs219What a stupid comparison, do you really want to live like a hunter gatherer society, shitting in the wood and dying of a cut on your leg?
The mentality of “I had to do / deal with _x shitty thing_ or exploitation therefore it is not fair if you also don’t have to suffer,” is baffling to me. Like I have worked in the service industry for about a decade, and about a year ago I became the GM of the small restaurant I have worked at for a few years. And my priority has always been the safety of my employees, to implement the changes that would have made my job easier as a bartender/server, as well as to eliminate as many of the stressors that were in my power.
When I interviewed for the position with my superior, I remember answering one of the questions with the response of, “Any time I have ever been in a supervisory role I have always had one core rule for myself that I followed: never tell a subordinate to do something I would not have expected from myself.”
And my superior was baffled by this response and went on to attempt to explain why it is totally okay to ask people to do things you wouldn’t ever have done and having higher expectations for your employees than you have for yourself is like totally cool actually.
ur an angel tbh we need more ppl like u
Thank you for being!!!! 💛🧡
thank you for being, for your employees ♡
Just rotten people being rotten. Imagine we were in the stone age and people were like "I had to suffer so you need to suffer as well", so we'd still be stuck there. Absolute fools
the 'just open a coffee shop' thing is so insane to me. my mom opened a coffee shop before i was even born so i kinda grew up in a resturaunt. it takes SO much effort and time and money and stress to open and run your own coffee shop, especially one that treats its employees like people. why would anyone go 'wow i hate working at Starbucks, i think I'll just Open My Own Coffee Shop!' i mean its technically doable and its the ambition of many people. but why suggest Just Open A Resturaunt as an alternative to Make Companies Care For Their Employees??
I’ve worked in coffee shops for people who took that advice, and it was hell for them (and for the employees). They ended up going under .
Especially since, if you don't force companies to treat their employees well, then even if you do open your own coffee shop you likely won't be able to compete with them without also mistreating your employees.
Hey, so this is a great video. Just need to rant rq. For context I’m an upper Jr in college (Gen z) and the more I learn, the more I’m angry with how we live everyday and seek to promote conversation with my (mostly conservative) family. When I had voted, I was forced into telling who I voted for and then told “Oh, she doesn’t know any better” by my father. You see, he has never once been belittling towards my intelligence. He has repeatedly told me I was brilliant (I’m a writer, so I share my stories with him). Politics make people so damn ugly. And I am still reeling that he would say that (in front of AND with the support of my older step sister [millennial] , who attacked me for my vote as well). What’s so funny is that he says this when I’m currently getting educated, and he hadn’t even made it past high school. Although I don’t want to belittle him for his own education, he seems to have no problem discounting everything I’ve learned that led me to my decisions.
Gosh, sorry. I needed to get that sh*t out and I’m tired of Gen Z having to be trailblazers for any form of decency.
Go to college! Learn things! Make the world a better place!
Wait no not like that....
God I feel that... I can't talk about any politics with my father without him seeming to look down on me and shut me down whenever I get into my own beliefs (meanwhile I have to grit my teeth and listen to every contrived rant, topic, debate, etc. that he pushes towards me or else he'd probably look down on me even more). It's been exhausting trying to maintain a healthy relationship and build genuine connection with my dad these past couple of years simply because of politics. I feel more insecure being around him now than any other point in my life. And it hurts, because he's one of the people I love most in this world!
I was lucky my father still has the "Who you vote for is private" mind set.
But seriously, everyone says that we're the trailblazers, and yet when we try to make the world a better place, we get ignored and belittled
SandyRose, it's very clear that you are a bright intelligent person as well as a great writer. Your father was indeed being very ugly, to belittle your intelligence over politics. It's sad how it can cause people to be so terrible even to their own families. I find it to be a sign of a very ignorant and unreasonable person, when somebody gets so offended over politics that they start resorting to personal insults rather than simply discussing the actual issues. At that point they're just acting like a child. They're just lashing out with childish insults rather than using their words like a rational adult. His comment reflects far more on HIS intelligence than yours.
@@kaylarodrigues7892I’m not particularly close with my dad like I used to (long story), but yeah, this. He’s never been one to actually have a meaningful and/or nuanced discussion. It’s either overrun the conversation, avoid/change the subject, or talk down to me like I’m a kid (I’m 25 lmao). I’m fortunate that my mom isn’t that way, but man…I know the feeling.
I was recently able to push my 40-page Thesis deadline back. I went to mentors and adviors and faculty looking for someone who would take my situation seriously. Even though I believe that much of it was said with love, the constant "stay strong, just power through it" was painful. I'm grateful for having practiced advocating for myself, yet can't reason why I had to.
It's the debt from my very institution that is making the sememster all the more debilatating. They told me that I've come too far to falter when I'm almost done with school. But it's precisely because I "just powered through" the past several years of school and work and extracurriculars and trying to make my community better that I'm paying for it with my health now. I know that's not a Gen Z-specific problem, but I think that we deserve the space to vent out the pain and create solutions that recognize humanity before labor.
I’m glad you spoke about, I feel a lot of pressure to finish my college degree because technically I’m almost done, but it’s just been such a drag. I took a break this semester and I’ll try to finish but I just am tired and technically I completed a technical certificate, three more classes, and I can get an associates. But still, it’s exhausting especially when you work full-time and you go to classes every semester and you’re part of some community stuff. I feel you, sometimes it’s OK to leave things unfinished doesn’t mean that you should be seen as a terrible person for that. sending hugs from far away.
I feel like the people who are like "just get a new job" haven't actually been in a position where they *are* searching for a new job. I'm in a position where I was able to quit my job when it became too mentally damaging. I've been searching for a new job for two months now, and haven't even gotten an interview at any of the places I applied. Job searching is hard, and not even guaranteed to work out.
Bro me too. I quit my job two days ago and currently searching for another and its hard.
I’m just doing gig jobs. Had to quit my hotel concierge job this past Labor Day after it was so unbearable. Had a guest who urinated on the carpet of her room. These savages have no respect.
boomers: "kids today should be grateful, they should put their asses to work 60h a week and not complain, else they're whiny"
also boomers: *have a mental breakdown and full on screams at a cashier because they don't have their favorite product on shelf*
they do that too when they have to put on a mask. :D
For real...
Had an experience like this when I went to a symphony concert a few weeks ago. The staff doesn't open the doors to the concert hall before they get a signal. Me and my bf didn't see it as a problem that they opened 15 minutes before the concert-start and were understanding of the staff member. These elderly people started complaining to her saying that the concert house always has opened the hall 30 minutes before the concert started. They continued to repeat that statement even when she explained that she had to wait for a signal. They made her go and ask someone about it which really wasn't necessary. These are the same people who say that back in their day they had to be patient and wait while young people today are impatient and wants everything to go quickly... how important can those 15 minutes be? We told the staff member that we understood the situation and that she wasn't at fault.
I think a lot about how my grandparents will tell service workers their whole life story as if service workers have the time, energy, or pay to give a shit. The amount of times I've stood and watched as my grandmother told the details of her item returns and why the products didn't work for her--ma'am wrap it up!
Yeah I'm 29 and I hate even working 30 hours a week. I'd genuinely have an aggressive psychotic breakdown if i had to work 60h a week. Fuck that. People need to be more independent, otherwise that's the life they'll be forced to live.
Bruh truee!😆😆😆
I just love how you inform before an ad-break, it makes seeing the ad soo less irritating. Please never change😭🤧
i forgot to do it for the upcoming vid pls dont be mad at me!
love that you ended that with "you've got fucking Jimin in your damn pfp, do you think Jimin would vibe with this shit?" because the entire time the comment was on screen I was going "damn does this person even know who they stan?"
Especially because Paradise has some of the best Jimin work like. When we say read the lyrics, this is why 🙂
@@fancy0485OOOL, YES!! 😂😂
Rant: I think there's a lot of hate about this subject because a lot of older generations didn't get mental help and maybe they're jealous and annoyed that these younger generations are demanding it. Which is ridiculous. We're seeing a break down in society in so many ways because of the lack of mental health help. Older generations went through horrible traumatic things like war, and slavery, and economic downfall in their adult lives and they were just told to "handle" it. And just because they "got on with it or powered through it" doesn't mean that that was the right course. They should have had help. Maybe we all wouldn't be so screwed up if our parents had gotten help with their own traumas...just saying.
And just because they never got help doesn't mean that younger generations should follow their lead. Also life was a lot easier for them when they were our age. Money went further, college was inexpensive, jobs were easy to come by and you could work a long time and get a good retirement. The cost of living was great. You could get married and have kids on one income. You could buy a house for less than $100k. I mean it's all relative. Nowadays there is so much stress, so much pressure, so many kids comparing their lives on social media.
That's another thing I get pissed about. We're always told that we're addicted to social media like it's our fault, but 1. the companies are engineered for you to stay on the sites for as long as possible AND 2. THESE COMPANIES WERE MADE BY OLDER GENERATIONS with the single purpose for us to use them. It's so annoying that we are getting blamed for using something...that you...made for us! Hello?! Are you serious right now?
“a union won’t change the 8 hour work day” um unions are actually what got us the 8 hour work day as opposed to spending every waking moment at work..like, organizing for collective power is…quite literally exactly how you change workplace norms but okay
yeah, this person with just this statement made it clear they're talking out of their ass :'D
True, but be careful regarding your union. The leaders/reps are known to sell out the workers with bad contracts, or if the union was assembled by corporate itself (or someone from it) then the workers would be no better off. I’m not bashing unions, just do be careful of which ones you join.
@@thatsdisco "this person" has a name, and he's right. *A* union won't solve everything. *ONE* union is useless in the grand scheme of things, what we needs is every single workplace to have legally mandated unions, which unfortunately would require most workplaces already being unionized in order to have enough push to make it happen. No one's saying "union bad" except for Jeff Bezos. Not every leftist idea is flawless. We can have bad or imperfect ideas just as much as the right. Unions are good, but they're not perfect.
Who in the world is saying "Unions are perfect"?
Things got so bad to the point recently that there were literally more US Employees under industry-standard noncompete contracts than there were represented by Unions.
First of all Elliot, I would like to say that I often avoid commenting because I am either scared of the wrong thing or because I feel there's nothing I could add to the conversation. However, this time I am pushing myself a little bit, hoping nothing bad is going to come out of this comment. I have been following you for a while now, and I have to tell you how impressive is it that your channel is growing that way is doing it. You are clever, witty, and engaging. I also wanted to tell you how much I needed a video like this: your empathy has a healing effect, and your content rise questions within me or reassures me about my own doubts and intuitions. So, I just wanted to say that, to me, you did an amazing job this time too, Elliot.
I think a lot of young people really cannot even go to their parents for help because their mindsets and experiences are so fundamentally different. I think religion is a huge element here, “Abrahamic” and “non-Abrahamic” worldviews are incompatible at the very core, and I think this difference in the fundamental understandings of the world and behaviors causes so many problems with generational connection. The younger generations seem to me to be overwhelmingly more irreligious, more aware, perhaps even hyper aware of how temporary things are and the impact and limits individual and collective actions have on society in ways that the older generations simply cannot imagine as a result of their upbringing.
Speaking of worsening of issues, one of the things you brought up recently was trauma and stress, which in spite of everything seemingly improving on the surface, there is plenty of evidence those things really are getting worse, and that perspective is often ignored. How good can you say things are, if in spite of living longer, you’re stressed every day about climate change, how meaningless your life feels under the current economic system, whether or not the government will decide your right to marriage, healthcare, etc. isn’t protected or worth defending now or tomorrow? These are anything but small issues, and it seems to me the older generations really cannot help here as they have little to nothing they can offer, besides their attention, if nothing else.
incredibly well said 👏 nothing but valid points here. And that’s such a depressing reality
Why only Abrahamic religions? What about Buddha who says you should be happy with absolutely nothing? But I guess it’s now clear which nation your propaganda comes from haha.
customers are always right this customers are always right that how about i cuss-tomer you out of this damn store
also, on a semi-related note to this and "Gen Z Is Traumatized" video, the point of younger generations being hypervigilent about good behaviour and morally right takes also extend to how millennials and gen z's are as customers imo.
at least for me, as an older gen z who my brothers worked in hospitality and i used to work in restaurants and have parents who work as cooks, i know how mentally draining it is to work at those jobs. so much that i'm wary of coming across like a "karen" and i hate speaking up about something that probably isn't my fault (e.g.: receiving a wrong order) bc idw to inconvenient the server.
I read something that said "customers are always right according to preferences"
And so the "Deserves Better" series continues! 😤 So ready for this one.
This is the exact reason why I don’t think I will ever have kids. I would want them to live a low-stress life where they are able to do whatever they want and not have to work 40+ hours a week for 70 years. I am a full time college who works 35-40 hours a week and every month it seems like I am scrounging up the means to pay rent. And I know as soon as I enter my career a majority of my life will be dedicated to the job and working for a retirement I will most likely never achieve. I will never understand the reason why people will tell others to simply “suck it up” when they’re trying to fix an issue that is only getting worse. Who would want their children to live like that?
Gen xer here. All this that has been thrown at your generation was thrown at mine. It was thrown at my father's generation as well. It's been happening in some forms forever. You are the first generation that truly has the capacity to fully get together and say no. Living through so many harsh economic falls, we did our best to stand up each time. The Internet and millennials made occupy wall Street possible, yet still fail in the end, because only so many got on board. Don't listen to the haters determined to shut you down, there scared to lose what they've scraped and struggled for, and out of touch with what it takes these days. My mother complained about people not just getting a job and I got fed up. I asked her the last time she applied to work some place. She didn't know. I had her apply to the dollar store that's always hiring she frequently goes to, always pointing it out. I went with her and it took her 5 hours just to apply. She didn't understand why they needed her credit history, quizzes and all these useless things. I said that's the way it is now. She didn't get the job. Told her to imagine doing this multiple times a day, and that even if you go through a website like monster, you have to do all this as well. A lot more for work more valuable than a cashier.
I'm so tired of how often it's just ignored that humans are by nature social animals, and most humans quickly become depressed and unhealthy if deprived of a social life. Self-esteem and self-care only go so far for most people; we're just not wired that way. "Just log off the Internet" is actually terrible advice for someone who doesn't have a social network IRL and is using the Internet to feel a small spark of connection with other humans; taking that away from them could be disastrous. Sure, socializing in person would be healthier for most people than socializing online, but that isn't an option for everyone all the time, and online is better than nothing.
I’m forever grateful for my government (tax payers) paying for my living that I’m able to feed myself and my daughter because I’m not capable of working right now. If anyone wondering I’m from Finland. I’m looked down on always by people who work and pay taxes because they are basically paying for my living. But it is what it is.
Sometimes we’re in stages in life that we can’t “function” at the level we need to. I think since the resources are there, it’s better to give people a hand through those times so they can get back on their feet. There are also some people that just can’t and never will be able to really be “fully on their feet” and they shouldn’t live without basic necessities if they straight up can’t provide for themselves. There’s a difference between someone who needs help vs someone being lazy or crappy and people have a hard time seeing that. I work in social service and mental health and it’s painful when my clients just need a break but can’t even catch it because resources aren’t there. If they could get that basic sense of stability, they could get better.
the ones able to work are supporting the ones unable to. It doesn't mean that you not working means you can't give anything in return. I'm sure you are trying your best to take care of yourself and your daughter, maybe even be supportive emotionally or psychologically of people in your social circles and that already makes a huge difference. And it wouldn't be possible for you if you were burned out from being spread so thin you snap into pieces, y'know?
This is a great conversation. What sucks most is that people like you open the conversation & we all just want to see these things come to fruition but deep down we know it wont anytime soon. Its a very needed convo nonetheless that time and time again gets shut out. The generation difference in these current times is very black and white. Our generation is constantly being like hey were not paid enough for x because of this old system were fighting but the boomer generation will actively just say no and not even blink for a second. It sets the future up for failure when you fail to adjust to current times. I think our generation when we are their age will make an effort towards this if it doesnt take place in our lifetime. I’d hate to put the “tough luck” memo on someone younger than me or call someone “soft” because of their uncontrollable lifestyle
Also a lot of this convo revolves around capitalism. I’d love to see a non capitalist world one day lol
Hello, as a younger millennial, I welcome you to the capitalist hell scape we have been complaining about. Prepare to be undervalued, overworked, and belittled. This shit sucks but some of us are trying to make space for others to voice their concerns and ideas. I see you, I hear you, and I am with you. I also want to assure you that your feelings are valid and that you matter. I stand in solidarity with you and send love to Gen z. It's time to deprogram from the capitalist hegemonic state and decolonize our minds. Best!
We appreciate the hard work and effort that goes into all of your videos. May God bless you all the way.
Every generation gets shat on by the older ones, just the way it goes. Don’t take it seriously, do your thing, if people have criticisms for your generation, point them to who raised them.
Totally get your point. I just don’t agree on the don’t take it personally part. If everyone thinks like that issues are generally overlooked. A cycle is being pointed out and breaking out of it requires acknowledgment and conversation. Everyone is being effected personally with the way things are right now (including generation bashing).
Just adding to your already valid comment ❤️
@@sandyrose9325
A better phrasing would be that there’s nothing to be hurt by cause they’re just objectively wrong and can be proven so.
I see your point. However, when someone directs nasty comments at you or the group you're a part of, it is human nature to be hurt by that and/or see it as a threat. It's not always as simple as "don't take it personally" or "they don't know what they're talking about" or "just don't listen to them". I'm tired of the people being threatened or insulted always being expected to bear the responsibility for their own attacks and bear it gracefully, when the problem is actually the people doing the attacking.
@@justrachel4496it is true that it's unfair, but you usually cannot change those people's minds, in the end you end up damaging your own mental health and draining your energy. So be careful on when you push back
I’ve even had therapists who have given me the boomer narrative, and pushed the “tough love” approach on me, telling me to “grow up” and “focus on my career, get married, have children,” and no amount of “I can’t handle this” got through to them
They relentlessly told me I needed to deal with it and work hard. They caused me to doubt myself, feeling like I was “in the wrong” for wanting to focus on my hobbies, with job simply paying the bills. Nope. I apparently needed to put my job first and that’s gotta be my life
Heck, even one therapist - in his 70’s - cool as heck, hardcore liberal….even he said “well ya gotta work 🤷♂️ working is what you do.” And I kept saying “but we shouldn’t have to work THIS much,” and he said “but it’s what you gotta do
I guess he was “progressive for his time,” but still probably a “capitalist liberal.” (Like most Democrats in politics)
So on some level, perhaps they’re all victims themselves and projecting that into others, and trying to convince themselves that they didn’t waste their lives working
But still, it’s not okay. The religion of workism and hustle culture is ridiculous
As a millennial I hear the same crap that we were told 10-15 years ago. A lot of us are still struggling, are still considered lazy and entitled and are still considered young and dumb despite closing in on 40. The world isn’t fair, and to be honest - I think it only gets more and more unfair as time goes by. I think every generation following mine will have it harder than the one before.
One thing I really like with Gen Z though is your “no BS allowed” attitude. I think you have something we don’t; a will to fight, to be the uncomfortable one, to start the discussion. I wish millennials were angrier. We need to be angry. Angry people change the world.
Don’t listen to the old people. Be angry. You’re doing great with the situation you were given ❤
Millennials are too depressed to be angry 😂😅 Oof.
You explained it very well! ❤ yep! No BS allowed!
Dude I've had these experiences and it is nice to know that I'm not alone. I'm still struggling with emotional vulnerability even if the emotion is positive. I've always suppressed my emotions because I grew up on a family where I had to play the role of "the lost child". Unfortunately, on the internet it is still hard to be vulnerable without people piling on you. One channel that helped me is Healthygamergg. I still feel dead inside(and worse)but I'm slowly getting healthier. Thanks for your videos, it makes me feel less crazy 🤪 and hurt because of the ways people reacted to me being vulnerable.
Hell yeah, fellow HealthyGamerGG viewer here, Dr. K is the GOAT of online mental health improvement.
Thanks for making these videos, Elliot. It's very cathartic to hear you connect and present all these different intersecting thoughts in such a well-explained and complete way.
Every time I see comments like the ones you respond to in this video, or hear people say these same things in real life, I feel like I lose brain cells. I have tried and tried to engage the people in my life on these topics (because they are CLEARLY invested in them; in my experience many older people will take or create any opportunity to criticize younger generations of people for almost any reason) but once presented with a challenging thought that beckons the slightest intellectual effort to engage with, it's like they cannot even parse the words, and keep insisting on the same dogmatic nonsense, or they change the subject to some non-sequitur that they somehow believe proves their point. These individuals are either incapable of critical thinking (surely some are) or more likely, they are so entrenched in their own lifetime of trauma and repressed emotions that the concept that the world is not as they believe/want it to be is completely off limits for consideration.
I find this rift between younger and older generations to be really demoralizing. Young people need role models, but it is very difficult to look up to anyone when you feel like those same people hate you, hate everything that you are, and tell you that it's YOUR fault.
I'm an artist who seriously struggles with being online and having to try to always be on top of the whole social media game- there were times that i did quit, did take breaks and did consider not being a part of it at all. This came as a response to people saying" why do you complain so much, if you don't like being here then just leave". It really got to me until I realized that that sort of response is so juvenile and comes from people who don't seem to want to be bothered with doing the work of 'caring' or empathizing with someone else because its bumming them out. That if they went through it and got over it, why can't you also.
I realized that as an artist in this age who doesn't already have a famous name, wealth, contacts or live in the West, making a name for myself without the help of social media might be impossible- it's become embedded in our systems and culture and success models, so to say just leave, or don't be an artist because you can't handle the pressures of the job is kinda ridiculous.
The amount of pure dismissal and aversion towards GenZ and our experiences is exponentially growing and it makes me v mad. It's like, millenials are forgetting that not too long ago, they were the butt of all these jokes from the generation before them and that this is a pattern that has been repeating. Like wow, instead of trying to change things and do better, you're just going off and doing v similar shit to what you realized boomers/ gen X were doing to you. Great job :/ I hope we're nicer to the generations that come after us and continue fighting for a better life.
Well I’m Gen Z and I’ve successfully gotten off all social media (save for RUclips which I limit). I think there are many people, including myself, who are just not equipped to have an online presence. Take influencers into consideration. They commonly complain about trolls and the hate and criticism they get. Some people just cannot handle this kind of attention and that’s ok. I don’t blame them. But you can’t expect things to get better or for trolls just to disappear. I had to accept that there was always going to be negativity that would make me feel like sh*t so I took the initiative and left. And I’ve never been happier. These influencers can easily drop the life they have now if the constant hate and criticism bothers them so much. But they won’t because they want the money and maybe in a way, they like the attention. Who knows? Point is, I know there are people like me who are just not equipped for social media. It’s up to them to reflect and decide if social media is really serving them or not. Just my take.
I also think “boomers” have a right to be concerned about our generation to an extent. Hell, I’m even concerned about my generation. We’re getting to a point that social media is replacing real-world interactions. Is that not concerning? We are losing our communication and social skills just by constantly being tapped into social media. There’s a recent Pew poll that reported that today’s teenagers “prefer to interact online” with their friends. That’s a huge concern. Today’s kids aren’t going to have the necessary skills to take them into the real world. They won’t be able to function. I completely understand why “boomers” have an aversion to social media. I do too.
really really sick and tired of feeling like if i openly talk abt my issues, i'm not really suffering. idk if it's just those videos that claim that if ur talking abt shit ur going through, ur faking or making it "ur whole personality" but i'm sick and tired of it. even if idk how to really put it into words, it'd be comforting to know the option to talk abt my shit is there if i need it but instead i have to just stay quiet and sit around like i'm doing great and everything is dandy bc if i don't, i'm suddenly attention seeking and i'm "too young" to have any idea what any of that stuff is like.
Honestly as someone who’s also “too young” to know what any of this stuff is like i can relate to what you said, sometimes i wanna type about things i went through or my opinion on the topic of a certain video but i just dont find it worth doing so or because im not good at putting my thoughts into words i can barely convince people about things
Yes! Today the world is expecting more. Groceries cost more and our pay raises (if blessed to get one) barely keeps my big ass head afloat. I had to get a second job just to continue college and afford shopping for clothes and going out to eat once or twice a week while maintaining an inflated priced apartment. I am pushed to either learning with my “intellectual big head” to a field of computer science or starting my own job! I’m pressed, stressed, blessed, but not soft. In China the saying goes to “TOUCH FISH” because people push their productivity so hard you and I are expected to be like that golden child, but the younger gen in China are trying to take it chill and laid back. “The phrase is a spin on an old proverb about making the most of a crisis in order to benefit personally: 'muddy waters make it easy to catch fish'” I say WORK AS HARD AS YOU ARE PAID. 😂 because the pay is a joke. I hope the employers decide to pay enough to afford our labor.
Edit: Please be nice to all employees. I greatly appreciate it and I return it. If possible, don’t blow up at employees if they are having a grumpy day.
I actually believed that I was soft cause I couldn't take insults without crying.. So I tried acting like I didn't care about anything in particular even tho I did and well my friends ended up thinking I was cold and distant.
That’s cause that’s pretending not to feel peoples hate,
Firstly- insults only hurt as much as your own insecurities already do.
Secondly- opinions can’t matter if you only value what’s true, so they think your work is shit? And? What does feedback mean to your continued progress and why is this person the judge of your self worth?
Self esteem is something you have to build of logic and understanding detached from your urges.
Very valid points and well spoken, these are the exact problems and trauma I have experienced as a young millennial and it hurts me that Gen Z is also going through it.
this is like people who get mad about student debt forgiveness. the idea that, oh i suffered so you should have to suffer just like i did. like just accept what you can't change. except that's the whole point of people pointing out injustices. because the way society/corporations/systems treat people shouldn't be acceptable so rather than believing that you can't do anything about it, speaking up on it rallies people together to change these systems for the better.
millenial here, social media is crucial to daily functioning. I dont have fb. despite texting/ calling existing, me not having fb means i never hear from my family.
holidays, birthdays, gatherings, news, its all done via fb group chat.
yes, my family sucks but still, u cant just avoid social media. its not doable today.
plus, some companies find u sketchy if u dont have social media
Also friends in real life! Everytime I meet a cool person, our friendship always ends after they ask me my instagram or twitter. I dont have any social media at all except youtube. Online messaging and social platforms is literally part of our culture now and people should really force companies to make these apps non-exploitative.
@@dan-gy4vu yes!
I can see myself disappear in pple faces wen they ask for my fb or Instagram and I say I dont have em
I may as well not exist
the last comment really sums up how capitalism has fucked the world so hard. not even a 'boomer' dunking on gen z, but a fellow gen z has internalized all that inter generational trauma to the point they couldnt even recognize it themselves while writing out that comment how devoid of empathy they sounded and then passing it on to others, while using a Jimin profile photo- one who has advocated for better work life balance, who has pushed for self-love and healing, who has had to cut off their own social media experience due to comments from fans for his own mental health and safety. Like,,,, the lack of self-awareness was astounding and sad in how blatant it is.
as someone who regularly makes content on tiktok, the whole "just turn off your phone" response is so insensitive. I'm a queer POC and im also assigned female at birth and being attacked by bigots for no reason can be disheartening. people act like words even from strangers have no value and that it's embarrassing for you to feel offended or bothered. like yeah i guess i can turn my phone off or avoid looking at such comments but that doesn't mean it won't have any effect on me. and even if it does affect someone, why should that be a sign of weakness? and those people who say that are those don't go through what I go through. but it feels worse when people who've understood what i felt downplay the negative emotions i feel. I spite all of those people because it's just like my childhood all over again. ive been told to suck it up before, and having to go through that again in a place i thought could be a safe space for me feels horrible
"angry Elliot rants under pretty ocean/galaxy lights"
I don’t have the energy to respond to every point here but I can’t do these anymore. I want the best for gen Z but you need self awareness also. A lot of your generalisations apply to a specific tax bracket of older generations and so much of this comes across incredibly entitled when basically mocking what a lot of us had to do. There’s just zero self awareness around what had to be done or how we approach policy issues differently or that we might also have extensive qualifications in economics now and rather than talking down to ppl, engage like you don’t think are morally superior on issues and it will be more productive. You are the first generation who has been conditioned to overshare private struggles to strangers on the internet, so he fact we don’t, doesn’t mean we don’t have the same struggles and doesn’t mean we didn’t have a more difficult day when we have to comfort you crying
Honestly the condescending language towards someone who has message that is likely less educated is pretty cringe. Trust me when I say you have a lot to learn in terms of the complexity of all these matters when you refer to intellectual conversations you have a superficial understanding of a lot of things. That’s fine, I probably did too at your age, but I had awareness of that.
i feel as if one factor older folks seem to fail to acknowledge is the emphasis and borderline entitlement to instant gratification that the internet has imposed within realms of standards/expectations. the world is operating faster than ever, from the programs we grew up watching to the rapid succession of consuming product; think apps like doordash,
apple pay, or even online shopping. we are processing information,
and more information than ever at that, at an accelerated rate, and due to technocapitalism at the forefront of innovation, we are expected to perform, adapt, and resonate at the same baseline of an algorithim. we are dehumanized on a daily basis. the "advice" we receive only holds but so much relevancy bc we are growing up in vastly different social/economical landscapes, one where we have no choice but to confront the inevitable collapse in plain sight. we cannot simply tune out the pain of the world bc we are directly targeted as the mediator for issues we have little to no contribution towards, such as greenwashing ads that place blame on working class folks for pollution/landfills as opposed to the legislators that favor banks and corporations' direct funding towards projects that cause a disproportionate amount of harm. we are told to emotionally and practically solve a myriad of issues that we receive little to no formal education, let alone guidance on. we are placed on pedestals as beacons of hope for the future, but it seems we are tied to these pedestals as opposed to voluntarily stepping up to the plate. in the same breath we are praised, we are also belittled and blamed. let us at the very least have some fucking memes and discord to rectify for all the bullshit we have to face
the internet is anti sincerity we need to bring that back however we can
huh, sincerity? But that's cringe bro.
/j
I agree. We also should be considerate to people who are ignorant to a topic but are eager to learn.
I think on top of your excellent response to the notion of "Gen Z being soft," I would add, what is so wrong with being soft? People are allowed to be gentler, kinder, and prefer a softer, slower way of life. I'm a millennial, and I have nothing but respect and love for a younger generation that pivoted from the "growth and progress at the expense of ourselves" mindset into a more caring and community-based approach to life. Our way killed us, it clearly doesn't work, I am fully in support of them trying something different.
Your video " TikTok is traumatized " helped me a lot when I was 8 -13ish maybe Older, my older brother(Anson), SA me, Atticus (younger brother), Porter (also younger brother) for years, he was a body builder, did football along with other sports, my point being he was BULIT, and I was at the most 90lbs, anytime our parents went out to shop, run errands etc., he would do it and threaten that if we told he would beat us up worse than he already did, so we just kept it a secret, whenever it happened the three of us would make fun of each other when it happens to them, ( I don't lmow why we did it, it made me feel bad when we did but we still did it), one time I remember vividly, was one night, he got me out of bed at like 12 or 1am, took me to his room and did stuff while he put a movie on for me to watch, the point of all this, was that you made me realize that I can ACTUALLY come to terms to what happened to not only me but younger brothers as well and that I can move past this as well, if anyone else has similar issues feel free to share so we can heal a little bit together,
Sorry for any spelling mistakes or grammar mistakes, but I just wanted to get this out as soon as possible, I left out a LOT of details for obvious reasons and also so you can get the gist of it, Thank you so much Elliot, I love you so much, ♥
26:00 and even if we could open a coffee shop, are we all supposed to be entrepreneurs?? Is it gonna be 20 coffee shops per block and no employees in any of them other than the owner? And if not, are the employees always supposed to suffer in your worldview?
You mentioning Jimin vibing with that comment made me giggle, because he would NOT vibe with that sh*t indeed 😂 Also made me think of "Silver Spoon"/"Baepsae" by BTS as well...a song by them actively criticizing work environments and power dynamics within society... HMMM...
Excited to watch this one.
It's almost funny how this philosophy is a universal thing for adults. Even my Polish mother every time I tell her about my problems like anxiety her response is "I was similar when I was your age *blah blah blah*" basically saying that either she had it worse or "at least she had a REASON" or when I told her how her family traumatized me as a kid her response was "See and I had to live like that my whole life". And every time I tell her that it doesn't matter who had it worse and she comes off as saying "don't be sad, I had it worse" her response is that it's not what she means BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING
I’m often grateful that the internet came out when I was in high school because I had it at home but it was fairly rare and nobody had it in their pocket. Kids have the unfortunate tendency to thoughtless cruelty already, they don’t need the ability to do it ‘anonymously’ or from the safety of their bedroom and they definitely don’t need the incentive to start trouble in order to get attention by filming it.
It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if gen z kids have a very particular type of trauma just from growing up ‘over-connected’.
I'm an older millennial and I worked in restaurant kitchens for years. I tried to get out for years and it was so, so hard! The advice of 'just get another job' was given to me and was as bullshit a decade ago as it is today. Service work is necessary and should be valued and service workers deserve respect. I'm only out of cooking now due to a severe injury that forced me out and the privilege of parents who could help me go back to school. The 'start your own café' was the absolute silliest and most cruel 'advice' I think I've ever heard.
It's always the people saying everything is about personal choices that completely ignore the broader context of why things are the way they are due to economic\historical reasons. I've argued with so many teen mom haters and fatphobic people and it's like playing chess with a pigeon.
"fatphobic" 🤣
@@winstonmarlowe5254 those people exist, they are mainly your South Eastern Asian gossiping-aunties.
Hey, Idk if you'll read this but I first heard about your channel through the previous gen z video. And I just want to say thank you so so much for bringing these spaces to discuss these matters, especially in the current context. Thank you. I also especially appreciate the way that you discuss these topics: you aren't guided by narcissism, ego, pride (being right or trying to get people to praise you basically), when discussing anything ; you are open to DEBATES, hearing OTHER'S points of view, willing to depict a reality with as many inputs as possible. And that's absolutely not common. I swear to god you have the methodology all journalists should have. Your tranquility shows your dignity and openness. Keep it up.
pd: it would be great if you divided this and other videos by sections, to make the accesibility to the information you provide more dinamic. My apologies if I made any mistakes, my english has it's flaws.
"If anything that's HARD. If anything, that's STRENGTH."
Where is your damn KoFi link young man. You're out here saving the mf world.
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Donated a lil bit to the coffee fund. Please keep doing what you do. Honestly, THIS is the right way to go off on people. You come at them with straight truth and logic. THIS is what we're missing from the discourse: Going off but with compassion. Why do more people not know how to do this?
The fact that the last comment has Jimin in their profile lol
I just want a job where I don't have to lobotomise myself to cope. I can't work while my thoughts are running at 100 miles an hour, but I can't relate to people while my brain is running on essential functions only, and sometimes it doesn't come back up to speed
The old people who shit on that barista are the same people who acted like being compelled to wear a mask was attempted murder. They are probably also the same people who cannot understand why their kids don't call or visit during holidays.
Damn! 🤭
34:50 the silent take back, sip and the calm take down was so cathartic
Loved chatting on the premiere!!
And I hate to link it to religion but its the fact that so many older folks are religious and their holy books talk about love and compassion ( IF you look past allowing slaves, beating or raping women for disobedience, enstilling respect with abuse etc lol do you see the irony) but when we ARE compassionate and try to help our fellow humans in the way we think best with the dubious tools we have we arent strong enough, we arnt smart enough, we are lazy and unaware.
People mistake trauma of a hard unfogiving live within capitalism fkr hardened strength when in reality they have ingested the poison and bully younger generations the same way their parents, bosses, managers, teachers and political figures had done to them. Lets be better and break the cycle PLEASE because we will ruin ourselves as a species
The reason they willingly let us suffer is twofold. They haven’t been able to heal from their own trauma, and they’ve repressed their pain for so long they don’t even realize it. Now genZ is speaking out and they can’t empathize, the thought of empathizing makes them angry because where was that empathy when they were suffering? Many of them don’t even know that’s the reason they’re so angry and it’s so sad.
Excellent show!! Once again, I find myself taking a closer look at how my generation was raised. It's not pleasant but I do it. I thought about what you said about parenting or parents, and I think this is a huge factor in our lack of empathy and dehumanization. Look at most people out there don't want to say it but our parents were f***** up. Yes we had a great time it was a great time to grow up we had lots of fun our parents had fun. But we are products of our parents and we were forced to suppress our feelings not to cry...deal with it. you don't like it? move somewhere else. you don't like it? get another job. If you think you can do better than do it, but stop whining and crying about it. I see these types of comments come up quite often after your shows and a lot of them ring true of how I used to think. I've heard them and said them out of my own mouth plenty of times in my life. Thanks to you I am starting to change the way I think and feel about people in general not just gen z. The bottom line is it's hard for us to talk s*** about our parents or the way we brought up or to find any fault in them at all because we weren't raised to think that way. We had a great time growing up so that must mean our parents were awesome right? NO! I think if you really delved into it you would find out just how f***** up our parents really were in many different ways but again they were a product of their parents. With that being said I will just say that I hope for the best for your generation and generations after you I believe that gen z is going to help slowly change people and make it okay to be human. You're not off base you are right on and keep doing what you're doing and I hope people out there keep trying to find you know better ways to do things and get the mental health that they need because that is a key element in changing our society. I think I might feel even a little more hopeful for your generations if I saw more of people my age empathizing or agreeing or trying to find some kind of way to understand the message that you're trying to put out there but unfortunately I just don't see that in the comments from people my age, sort of scary. Thank you so much for your work, looking forward to your next show.
Continue up the good work mate.
I tend to lean centre-right politically and the thumbnail of the video caused friction in me. On one side I understand that you have to be strong to endure life but the opposite of the argument there are older people who throw these insults like "snowflake" or "soy boy" when young people have valid criticisms (such as the housing crisis). Back in the day, life was tougher (worse infrastructure, less education etc), that is true, but houses were cheaper especially when compared to the yearly working class salary.
Thanks for posting this video. It's nice to hear the perspectives of different people, even if you initially disagree at first glance.
i think there are two main reasons why some people expect that others should be able to endure hardships:
1. because they endured the same or worse and haven't processed it
2. because of a lack of understanding of how and why these things are difficult to endure in the first place
The second point is quite self-explanatory, so i'm going to focus on the first.
When i was about 6 or so, i thought that my younger sister was being spoiled, when in reality she was just being less traumatized than me. I didn't have the understanding of psychology required to assess what is an appropriate amount of hardship that a child should face in their life. There were many instances later in life when i learned about X or Y being traumatizing that i had also gone through without realizing that they damaged me. I was just emotionally disconnected from those experiences, so i didn't notice them consciously, but they still affected me subconsciously. I have worked through some of these things and acknowledged that in some regards my childhood was disadvantaged, but i wouldn't blame someone who was unable to do that. What if they aren't emotionally prepared to face their past trauma and someone else bringing up something that connects to it is triggering a strongly negative emotional response to protect them from empathizing. What if empathizing would bring down their own emotional walls and leave them unable to cope. I have sometimes triggered something like that in some people and it can be devastating. When someone's walls are broken down and then they aren't sure if they will ever be able to live a normal life again, it really makes me feel like maybe they would have been better off not understanding themselves. Sometimes those protective psychological barriers are there for a reason. What if they STILL have no safety net to fall back on in case they break?
Yeah, it is a pretty assholish behavior, but it's really about them, not about us. So my approach is just to ignore them.
Damn I'm finna act like one of those twitter ARMYs real quick with that last comment cause DAMN. Imagine typing all that with a Jimin pfp sheesh girl BTS' messages have been FLYING over their head. Another stellar discussion as usual Elliot, Keep it up man.
EDIT: 39:12 THAT'S WHAT I'M SAAAAYING!!!! LIKE??? LMAO
a gen x ick from a gen z: adults calling you overreacting when you're in so much pain, whether physically or emotionally
people who claim we have it better than other generations (welp, i am a millenial, but i guess i am still plagued by the same things as you guys), kinda forgot that we had a massive crash in 2008 that the world to this day hasnt recovered from, while at the same time being at the brink to the next crash.
yeah great, we have better tech. but the tech that really matters, the tech that actually should improve our lifes only benefit the rich because they are the ones who now can have us do the same work 4 people did in the past, while only paying for a single person (plus initial cost of the technology, but it doesnt matter since they save so much money on human labor). nothing is better.
and if i continue with "the richest 1% of the population hog more than 50% of the global wealth", there will be a few dumdums who will call me an idiot because "daddy elon is making everyone lifes better!" and "people like him are the ones who have to bear these huge responsibilities and risks" and "anyway they are providing jobs".
yeah no. if i lose my job, i will lose my apartment. if these people lose their job because they tanked a company, they get rewarded with another few millions. they will sleep VERY well after they destroyed hundreds and in melon husks case thousands of peoples lifes. and they will do comfortably so too. serf brained people are by far the worst waste of fresh air.
There is no fresh air left, it is all polluted. The world is dying and there is nothing we can do about it.
Main thing is, all of the people commented are definitely way older than us, so they did not receive any better experience and ended up thinking that is the norm and should not or can not be change.
I found your channel, and I can't stop watching your videos because HOLY SHIT, because you cover so many dark topic or shit takes like in this video and just... Disarm them. Not like DESTROYING in the argument, just take it apart until there's nothing left and you do it without being antagonistic and hostlie. It's so validating. I wish more people would be like this in the real life.
good video Elliot, love your content! Althogh I´m not into America´s job culture, i can say it´s kinda the same in Argentina, the lack of training for a job may account for the poor conditions a worker has to face. Here you need to have 2 jobs and pray to have some time left to keep college education. Also inflation it´s a big issue and no one cares as long as you keep your mouth shut and work, because everybody it´s in the same. My advice to whomever reads this, is to focus on your dreams and form a community to find a way together. ❤❤
Hi Elliot, I’d love for you to do a video on why people are scared of having a community or reaching out. Rn in my social studies class we’re learning about the shift from classical liberalism to modern liberalism, which is Broadening the individual rights and freedoms to differentiate types and amount of ppl.
I’m not great at putting the things I think into words, but I find your Articulation and vernacular somehow expresses what I wish to express myself. Thank you! :)
Kinda forgot where I was going about talking about my class, but I think the lack of empathy and compassion for other people truly is causing more problems then moving towards solving them.
If we don't develop empathy for each other, work together and work less where all screwed. Care more work less.
The last comment was actually bizarre… I don’t understand how a person can be so insensitive to someone else’s struggles. Capitalism is rotting our brains, it’s sad to see 😕
“Shout out to all the dinosaurs” 😂🤣 Love you Elliot!
I saw the title and yelled, out loud, "FUCKING THANK YOU, SOMEBODY SAID IT!”
thank you so much for making these videos
Idk why but this video is just so comforting... i play this whenever i feel down 😢
I call them Boomer fortune cookies.
"Pull yourself up by your bootstraps"
"Everything happens for a reason"
"When life gives you lemons, make lemonade"
Elliot's Pop Psychological Analysis is now my fav therapy radio station
“Focus on the positives” make me think two things: 1- people who are struggling with the deluge of negativity in the media and are self-protecting by focusing on positives or 2-people who are frightened/grieving and in the avoidant/denial stage.
I want to start by saying I love your videos and I love your thoughtful analysis on the different topics that you speak on, they really engaged with and put thought processes into topics that I usually don't put much thought into... With that said I'm 32 years old, I'm currently homeless by choice. I chose this struggle due to the concept of working to live... Your video inspired me to think about the idea that most billionaires have a very dark past of how they got to be billionaires. Most people who are not billionaires have to struggle and wonder where their food is coming from. Or in my case wait a certain amount Of time living in my car to save up a certain amount of money to get a head start on a more fruitful life. Living and existing comes with a trade-off in one form or the other. Our "work to live" would be either hunting buffaloes or pouring venti iced lattes for 8 hours... Or employing child labor in order to make billions per year... I want to post this on your previous video because I want to bridge the gap between what you feel and what the previous generation is presenting... I do apologize on their behalf for what you had to deal with in some of these comments. Bless and take care
speaking on the job and just get anouther job, its very hard. lots of places are saying thee hiring and actually arent, or are but arent in any rush. also starbucks might still be better than everywhere else they have access to.
I call around tomorrow for a job
26:33 ha! I was just trying to explain to my friend that "you should just sell your art to make extra money" is not that simple. She thought my rant about it was me talking myself out of doing it... when i gave no indication that i thought i couldn't do it.
I was trying to explain to her how unreliable that is, and all the other things that come with it... there is no "just" doing it.
Also, as it was said in the video, even if you CAN do it, that doesn't mean it's for everybody (among other points i made)
I think a lot of people don't want to show their vulnerable side because they don't want to be taking advantage of because of the law of averages of running across someone who will do that and it's not because they're a bad person nearly I think it's because they've been socially engineered to be that type of self-serving opportunist.
It's telling that there are so many people who will respond to vulnerability with indifference or even outright derision, all the while demonstrating a fundamental lack of imagination.
Also, I think people who say “just find another job” don’t realize the difficult reality of that for people. Like there are so many things that make things like that difficult from financial to free time to look. And also, if we don’t change the reality of how bad the working conditions of these jobs are then it doesn’t matter if you do find another job. It’s crappy in its own way. That last comment was a doozy. To show so little empathy, especially when sporting a Jimin profile pic, like wtf?! I hope they take some time to reflect and get the help they need because a whole lot of pain is wrapped up in their words.
Thank you so much for these videos, now I feel more comfortable asking for help even if it would seem weird by my parents.
These comments are exactly what keep me from wanting to exercise my freedom of speech amendment online the amount of brain damage when you’re so digestible atleast to me cause I’m not missing some parts of the movie lol but fuccc this the type of shit that give ppl anxiety for being online
i always get hit with “go outside if you’re tired of being in the same place all the time” and it’s like go where??? i’m in a small ass town with less than 300 ppl in it and our biggest attraction is walmart and bath and body works that’s not even IN our town.
Bro lives in Inaba 💀
Jk but theres always nature, its a lot nicer to do things outside (imo) than in my bed
You definitely dont live in the mountains then. Most of the year 300 person towns are the land of epic adventures but not winter unless youre extreme
@@gencreeper6476 West Virginia. everyone here is in poverty and/or on drugs.
I s2g I will scream if I have to hear someone else say "just because I suffered, you should too!"
i think calling people soft for speaking up about their issues is a way of trying to make them soft. it's hoping they are soft enough to just cave under the slightest pressure. it's an assertion that tries to make itself true and is done in outrage at the fact it clearly isn't true
Why the jimin stan gotta act like that, Bts taught you better then this. They literally had a whole era about the youth. Do better
26:50 if you don't want to be exploited, exploit other people instead!