Connor A Anything that has damage has structure damage. Anything that has flat pen has structure damage. Anything that is designed for higher tower than that lowers your dps.
What build would you recommend on Rama and Apollo... since they do require Crit in their builds and Apollo uses a little bit of mana, ofcourse not as much as he used to. Heart Seaker or Deathtoll start seems good on Rama depending on his guardians clear! A Khepri / Sylvanus would be nice for the Deathtoll build, but maybe a Malice over Qin's?
Is it possible to start masamune first item you'll have your power spike before someone finishes trans so you'll have a small window to bully the opposing hunter plus movement speed :D
There should be a series like This one for every class- I think You could be the savior the legends mentioned- the one that saves ranked randoms from horrible builds, the one that brings balance to the force uhm I mean game, the one that is known as sloth... Duke sloth...SLOTHBORN! (star wars, skyrim and James bond reference overkill)... Tldr- great vid, as always ;) keep it up ^^
My build use to be. golden bow, ninja tabi, asi, qinssais, wind demond and exexutioner. it was crazy with chiron and houyi. went 21-0 once. and was allways going positive. what can i replace for golden bow but keep my build kinda the same.
My build use to be. golden bow, ninja tabi, asi, qinssais, wind demond and exexutioner. it was crazy with chiron and houyi. went 21-0 once. and was allways going positive. what can i replace for golden bow but keep my build kinda the same.
+DukeSloth How are our magical adcs? I feel like freya would like this meta shift very much. Just played a few games with her with following build: Fatalis, Pen boots, Demonic Grip, Bancroft's, Ritual Dagger and Tabooti. And picked Purification and Frenzy as my relics. Went suprisingly good (like 17/4 good).
Oh thank the Smite gods! I had felt so lost with this new patch but as per usual, you have explained the new builds thoroughly and with great explanation :) as a player transitioning between noob and (wanting to play) ranked your videos are really helpful! Some streamers/RUclipsrs just expect the viewer to know everything they do but your videos are really accessible and informative! Keep up the awesome work :D The Sloth ftw!
I do still prefer Wind Demon over Malice on Artemis, 'cause utility, but I'll definitely go with Malice on the others. Sucks that Charged Bow can't really replace Throwing Dagger though.
i personally play lots of xbalanque and my build is ,transendence,hastened fatalis,souleater,wind demon,excutioner,deathbringer i sometimes switch the point at witch i get excutioner because of the dps spike drop off (depends on how much defense enemy team has) is this a good build? i use it on my xbalanque because he gets awesome crits with his 1 and uses the mana alot. it gives me a pretty slow start with somewhat low damage and slow movement speed but lategame im fast as a motherfucker and get crits of 800.is this good or should i change something??
Haha don't worry, it takes a while to pick it up. By the time this actually becomes relevant for you (being around level 20-30), you'll understand all of it!
my personal build is transcendence boots(ninja or worrior depends) ichival quins executior titans and hasetend fatalis and at the end I get some thing that sueits my sitiotion.
I picked up and mastered ullr when golden bow hunters got steam..... is it possible to work him into the other builds? kinda, you can level your ult which gives life steal and attack speed to compliment everything, but it's not as strong as just putting them in your 1 and 3. and in conquest you will be buying on average 2-3 mana potions constantly unless you play solo ullr or can rotate fast enough to steal the enemy's blue..... which I'm pretty sure is impractical for duo lane. bottom line, you can play ullr however you like since he's the Swiss army knife of the hunters.... you just really need to know what you're doing. and trans build is the friendliest to the Norse hipster God
If you want a good build you should try this: start with Transcedence lev.2 , 3 mana and hp pots. Full build: Transcedence,Warriors Tabi,Hastened Fatalis,Qins,Asi,Titans bane! JUST TRY THIS(Medusa,Hou Yi or what do you want)
I am using a hybrid of transcendence and sloth build. Transcendence -> Warrior Tabi -> Charged Bow -> Asi -> Qin -> Executioner So basically I only buy crit items after fnishing the 6th item. Ichaival is used solely against heavy physical teams.
What about Asi instead of Ichvail and Soul Eater? I see Asi like 2 in one item, Lifesteal is nice, you get pen and atack speed too. Like Deaths Tools, Warriors, Asi, Quins for core? And than Titans, Wind and Deathbringer for late game?
I think heartseeker should give mana instead of movement speed. I use fatalis a lot on Medusa (who has some mana problems) to take full advantage of her passive so if I start with heartseeker and sell it for my crit/ pen later on my movement speed gets an uncomfortable drop. Obviously the solution would be to use blue stone pendant but I can't give up this new heartseeker that practically screams "HEY BUY ME!" to a Medusa main like myself.
+Marc Mitchell Soul stone is better than heartseeker because you can build it at the beginning for only 800 golds. So it isn't his equivalent, totally different items, Soul stone is op for mages.
I build Transcendence on Apollo and I've had people complain about it. However it is yet to let me down. With the way I build at least it seems to work. p.s. The build I use isn't the same as the Transcendence build you showed.
great video as always dude! :D I'm kinda more of the first or second build. and i ONLY use masamune when i face tank teams. so it is really situational...
Say on Ullr for example, I prefer to build Trans, power boots, asi, jutonns, titans and then a situational because hes so ability based he benefits from full pen builds. is this viable? the sloth build looks good as well lol
I never understood something. I very often build Ichaival on Hunters, but I don't ever trade it out for something else. Can anyone explain to me why you do?
Even with the extra penetration when you're dealing with a standard kind of team (maybe a guardian, two warriors, an adc and mage)? Is it a bit more situational then when you have some physical protections on the other team?
Would you say jing Wei is still viable ? I've been playing her lately and the transcendence build is pretty good for her but it starts to really pick up late game.
I've played with the build he is suggesting (Heartseeker first item into boots) against other hunters with transcendence and totally out cleared them and won lane. Trans can work but heartseeker is amazing on Jing Wei if you know how to use it. If you can get lane pressure early, try to stack up the minions and use your 2 w/ five stacks on heartseeker and often if you attack the wave and stack up the passive fast enough you can get your 1 off on the enemy hunter while having two of the heartseeker passives up at the same time (+80 power!)
I still pick up Fatalis because of its passive. If I want to be a try hard, I would go Frostbound. in sacrificing power, yes, but the ability to stick onto and slow our target makes up for it. Fatalis is really good on Medusa especially.
If we're talking about numbers, it does less. But if you are a skilled player who can juke and land basics effectively simultaneously I would go for fatalis, if they can't hit you and you can hit them simply because you have fatalis, its better for you.
Duke, why not do a bootless build with fatalis? You can try to fit in a movement speed item (masamune/stone) or wind demon to have even more speed than a boot build. The movement debuff when attacking is just way too much. I usually build fatalis with wind demon
For the sloth seeker build can you go heartseeker, masamune, exe or Qin, soul eater or asi (since 3.13 changes soul eater), deathbringer, and malice or wind demon? This is for characters like Rama, Jing Wei, and Xbalanque.
+DukeSloth hey man I agree with basically everything except I'm pretty sure they nerfed soul eater. It's basically useless again compared to asi. Would that affect any builds of yours.
Don't the minions get tankier as the game goes along? So you were testing the build's clear at different times in the game. (Not sure if you mention this later. Still watching.)
They do, though the difference seems to be insignificant in jungle practice. However, all builds are based on calculations, testing on the minions was just to get a general feel for the starts.
What do you think of this build : 1. Masamune 2. Atk speed boots 3. ichaval 4. Souleater 5. qin's 6. crit or pen sell ichaval for crit or pen. It is much cheaper than Trans and it transitions well in to lategame and team fights.
+DukeSloth Yeah I have been having some problems with the very early boxing, but once you start fighting your team fights faaaar better than the heartseaker build.
I sincerely disagree... heartseaker is still dead. (I didn't think that hearseaker damage added to basic attack damage. if that is the case then heartseaker on jing wei for the reason of procing it with ur 2 is the dumbest item ever) I think these builds are for new adcs or for a god you don't know well... I have spent a while playing rama and I have found my favourite build which I will share with you. pros: you absolutely and completely destroy EVERYTHING cons: takes a while to get online. looks weird and ugly. p.s. rip golden bow This build is for rama it may work on other meh clear hunters such as art apollo or xbal. not tested relics not included start deaths toll teir 1 ichvail 1 of each pot finish ichvail ninja tabi asi malice death bringer or executioner if pen is needed. if you went death bringer sell deaths toll for executioner. if you got executioner sell deaths toll for wind deamon. sell ichvail for wind deamon/death bringer. sell asi for soul eater. now let me explain. ichvail asi are transition items you can go for warrior tabi and swap em after but I find it doesn't give enough to do that. ichvail we all know what it does. asi cuz you need that burst life steal. to play this build right you need to take risks. these risks will put you in danger. now you ask me well soul eater gives a burst heal ain't it better to get it instead? no. soul eater relies on stacks. asi relies on what feels like a 6 second cooldown (and probs is close) asi is more reliable early on late game getting stacks is decently easy) also asi is cheaper. not by much but trust me you need all the gold you can get for those crit items. now why these crit items in this order? malice is cheaper and best one crit item dps. death bringer next cuz you have a built in AS steroid. if you went the executioner option why wind demon? you need all the AS you can get to apply your executioner shred. you may want to hold off on death bringer even if you don't need the shred. now with thorns you may want to wait till the enemy tanks get their second relic so as to try to bluff them into picking up a different relic TL;DR deaths toll ichvail ninja tabi asi malice death bringer sell death's toll get executioner sell ichvail get wind demon sell asi get soul eater. this build yields close to (if not hitting) max AS with your steroid. it highlights the best in rama those ouchy basics. rama has one ability that has a power scaling and that is like a 50% scaling on his ult. crit is the way to go. questions? I got answers just ask.
Qin's should probably be earlier, where you put Rage; I personally don't see the appeal in Rage. Yes, its passive allows for more crits, but I'd rather have the extra damage and utility that Wind Demon provides, since two crit items is already a 40% chance, which is high enough to happen often.
Hello! :D I don't know much about Freya, but what i do know, is that she needs 3 main items. Shoes of the Magi, Hastened Fatalis, and Demonic Grip. Those will be your first 3 go-to items to get on board. Depending on your playstyle, you might want to go pen (Spear of the Magus and Obsidian Shard), or just straight power (Obsidian shard and Rod of Tahuti). Again, I don't know much about her, but i do know that much! Hope i helped!
+Aliana Vega and other item is polynomicon or hasten or soul reaver it all depends on preference. Poly for extra burst from basics or hasten for boxing and catching up or soul reaver for potent dmg but higher risk because of the cool down for it to activate
Play passive early unless you are absolutely sure you can get the kill. Play for the late game and here's your build: Pen Boots, Hastened Fatalis, Demonic Grip, Spear of Magus, Bancroft Talon (it's op now), Rod of Tahuti.
Is Jotuun's ever a good option for Ability Based Heroes? I use it for Ullr mostly though I have no problems with it at all. Transcendence, Warrior, Jotuun, Bloodforge, ASI, Titans bane/Hydra's Lamet That's the build I go for and I am comfortable with
These builds are all based around auto attack dps. Thats mainly what you are looking for in hunters. However neith and ullr can both build similar to assasins and do very well if they are up against a squishy team and can land their abilities consistently. If you are up against a very tanky team I would not reccomend going jotuns, but if up against multiple mages or hunters or assasins then you could build full pen and damage and do amazingly.
DukeSloth Alright What would you recommend as a Solid build for Ullr in Conquest? I like to try out other builds and get a feel if I am comfortable with them.
+DukeSloth trans on apollo is really good for your early ult rotations and fully stacked trans is one of the highest power items which make you hit hard
+DukeSloth its not that hearth seeker is a bad item for its price but i rather farm up a bit more and have higher dammage later on when adcs matter more
I like that the builds are good for people learning how to play as a hunter or who want to get really good at hunters, but I'd like to keep this in mind: Some players play a lot better with certain items present, meaning a build might be good, but it would hold back players who are really good at, say, Fatalis in the kit (might not be as needed with the new relic)
Geoffrey Perrin I talk about them and I theorycraft for them (because it's easier for them), but I can't aim for shit! :D Yeah, some melees are a lot more dependant on Hastened - though with the amount of MS items we have now, there may eventually be alternative builds which skip it.
Last time I was this early, this wasn't a meme yet. :^) All links in the description. Also, streaming now on twitch.tv/DukeSloth
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your trans build has 0 structure damage. why do you want 0 tower damage?
Connor A Anything that has damage has structure damage. Anything that has flat pen has structure damage. Anything that is designed for higher tower than that lowers your dps.
What build would you recommend on Rama and Apollo... since they do require Crit in their builds and Apollo uses a little bit of mana, ofcourse not as much as he used to. Heart Seaker or Deathtoll start seems good on Rama depending on his guardians clear! A Khepri / Sylvanus would be nice for the Deathtoll build, but maybe a Malice over Qin's?
+DukeSloth As a AMC player is the deathtoll build recommended?
so which build works best for ah muzen cab?
Is it possible to start masamune first item you'll have your power spike before someone finishes trans so you'll have a small window to bully the opposing hunter plus movement speed :D
Possible, but wouldn't recommend it. Heartseeker is just cheaper and does it better, Masa's passive is useless early.
this build seems cool and everything but once someone built it in weak3n's stream and he said "who ever this sloth kid is he's on some good stuff"
...aaaand?
hunters are going back to a normal build, im happy :D
Duke, you should call the heartseeker and sloth 2.0 build "The SlothSeeker" it sounds badass.
Hahaha :D
This is such an amazing video thanks duke 😍😘
Thank you! :)
+DukeSloth no problem I can imagine this took a long time to make and a lot of effort has gone into it therefore I appreciate it A lot
JING WEI ISN'T DEAD
And how can we fit in those builds items like bloodforge, fatalis or other utility or situational items? Awesome vids dukesloth!
I've been thinking Golden bow was actually Odysseus' Bow this whole time, derp
No variety literally always first items when you spawn in the game every time, I like the removal.
There should be a series like This one for every class- I think You could be the savior the legends mentioned- the one that saves ranked randoms from horrible builds, the one that brings balance to the force uhm I mean game, the one that is known as sloth... Duke sloth...SLOTHBORN! (star wars, skyrim and James bond reference overkill)... Tldr- great vid, as always ;) keep it up ^^
Hahaha :D
My build use to be. golden bow, ninja tabi, asi, qinssais, wind demond and exexutioner. it was crazy with chiron and houyi. went 21-0 once. and was allways going positive. what can i replace for golden bow but keep my build kinda the same.
You are a genius, man! I love all your informative videos, they are more than just useful. Thank you for being with us!
Thank you! :)
Also i want to ask one more thing. Will Jing Wei rek people as before, or will she be as awful as people thought at her release?
Pingasos Rek as before with HS
For me she works better with Transcendence start, HS passive is really hard to use. But still thx for all these builds
btw Jing Wei WAS awfull on release. They had to buff her entire kit to make her kinda good.
hot builds fam
My build use to be. golden bow, ninja tabi, asi, qinssais, wind demond and exexutioner. it was crazy with chiron and houyi. went 21-0 once. and was allways going positive. what can i replace for golden bow but keep my build kinda the same.
transcendence seems to fit in, or maybe get death bringer at the late game
+Kira Hoxi thanks, i justt realized a mixed up executioner with deathbringer. but ya transendence would fit vut i think it would take too long.
I always go fatalis on amc because of the movement speed increase and huge penta potential xD
+DukeSloth How are our magical adcs? I feel like freya would like this meta shift very much. Just played a few games with her with following build: Fatalis, Pen boots, Demonic Grip, Bancroft's, Ritual Dagger and Tabooti. And picked Purification and Frenzy as my relics. Went suprisingly good (like 17/4 good).
Yeah, they're definitely in a better spot now!
This man out here making my hunter life 100x easier. Thanks man
duke bro u search about this game so much u even do graphs thanks for the help bro
So, how about a heartseeker+crit build?
Work just as well, just replace qins.
I shall attempt to experiment with these as Ah muzen bee.
+Rage Beast I usually prioritized penetration and attack speed with the old Bee man. I just finished testing with Sloth 2.0 seems to work pretty well.
Oh thank the Smite gods!
I had felt so lost with this new patch but as per usual, you have explained the new builds thoroughly and with great explanation :) as a player transitioning between noob and (wanting to play) ranked your videos are really helpful! Some streamers/RUclipsrs just expect the viewer to know everything they do but your videos are really accessible and informative! Keep up the awesome work :D The Sloth ftw!
Also if anyone has any Medusa advice with the new patch it would be greatly appreciated! :)
I do still prefer Wind Demon over Malice on Artemis, 'cause utility, but I'll definitely go with Malice on the others.
Sucks that Charged Bow can't really replace Throwing Dagger though.
Yeah, for utility WD is much better. This was just to maximize DPS, WD can always be built instead.
hey im pretty early last time i was this early dukesloth made a comment.
i personally play lots of xbalanque and my build is ,transendence,hastened fatalis,souleater,wind demon,excutioner,deathbringer
i sometimes switch the point at witch i get excutioner because of the dps spike drop off (depends on how much defense enemy team has) is this a good build? i use it on my xbalanque because he gets awesome crits with his 1 and uses the mana alot.
it gives me a pretty slow start with somewhat low damage and slow movement speed but lategame im fast as a motherfucker and get crits of 800.is this good or should i change something??
Build is fine, just be aware that Hastened usually lowers you DPS.
Please Advise: I often play Art and Apollo, so should I use HS/Sloth build or Deaths Toll on them? Thank-you
Both can do both, just try out whichever feels better for you as they kinda require different play styles.
Started playing this game a week ago and I didn't have any idea what you just said so I just screenshotted lol
Haha don't worry, it takes a while to pick it up. By the time this actually becomes relevant for you (being around level 20-30), you'll understand all of it!
btw is deaths toll good for artimes in arena?
Daniel Wennström Yeah, can be done.
very informative! thank you so much!
my personal build is transcendence boots(ninja or worrior depends) ichival quins executior titans and hasetend fatalis and at the end I get some thing that sueits my sitiotion.
Mir Waiz Uzair no life steal?
''crying in the corner as a ullr player ''
Why? Trans build is really good now.
same :( almost mastery III
I picked up and mastered ullr when golden bow hunters got steam..... is it possible to work him into the other builds? kinda, you can level your ult which gives life steal and attack speed to compliment everything, but it's not as strong as just putting them in your 1 and 3. and in conquest you will be buying on average 2-3 mana potions constantly unless you play solo ullr or can rotate fast enough to steal the enemy's blue..... which I'm pretty sure is impractical for duo lane. bottom line, you can play ullr however you like since he's the Swiss army knife of the hunters.... you just really need to know what you're doing. and trans build is the friendliest to the Norse hipster God
trans > warrior > asi/soul eater > qins > titans bane
this build im using mostly on medusa and neith and some others, what do you think?
Yup, seems good. Maybe throw in Ichaival for extra early ability dmg.
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Awesome job. I bet this took a lot of time 👍
nice video! Can u do a build on mages?
you da real mvp duke
thx ;p
Thanks for your hard work dude.
Thx for the info Duke; appreciate the time and calcs that went into this. :)
Thank you! :)
Your work, much appreciated👏🏼
Thank you!
Probably the most informational video I have ever watched
Thank you!
Can you make a hunters build for duels?
Duel builds are too situational :/
Can I just ask: Gauntlet or Soul Eater?
Sol eater
:DD
Echks Soul Eater 100%
If you want a good build you should try this: start with Transcedence lev.2 , 3 mana and hp pots.
Full build: Transcedence,Warriors Tabi,Hastened Fatalis,Qins,Asi,Titans bane! JUST TRY THIS(Medusa,Hou Yi or what do you want)
I am using a hybrid of transcendence and sloth build.
Transcendence -> Warrior Tabi -> Charged Bow -> Asi -> Qin -> Executioner
So basically I only buy crit items after fnishing the 6th item. Ichaival is used solely against heavy physical teams.
what would you recommend for apollo
not sure if it's just me but these builds don't seem to do much damage
What about Asi instead of Ichvail and Soul Eater? I see Asi like 2 in one item, Lifesteal is nice, you get pen and atack speed too.
Like Deaths Tools, Warriors, Asi, Quins for core? And than Titans, Wind and Deathbringer for late game?
I think heartseeker should give mana instead of movement speed. I use fatalis a lot on Medusa (who has some mana problems) to take full advantage of her passive so if I start with heartseeker and sell it for my crit/ pen later on my movement speed gets an uncomfortable drop. Obviously the solution would be to use blue stone pendant but I can't give up this new heartseeker that practically screams "HEY BUY ME!" to a Medusa main like myself.
Imo, if heartseeker gave mana it would be OP.
What about it's magical equivalent? Soul Stone so it gives MP5 instead of mana. Resets after an ability.
+Marc Mitchell Soul stone is better than heartseeker because you can build it at the beginning for only 800 golds. So it isn't his equivalent, totally different items, Soul stone is op for mages.
+DukeSloth Let me dream ;-;
which one of the builds is the best for artemis?
DT or HS
I build Transcendence on Apollo and I've had people complain about it. However it is yet to let me down. With the way I build at least it seems to work.
p.s. The build I use isn't the same as the Transcendence build you showed.
great video as always dude! :D
I'm kinda more of the first or second build.
and i ONLY use masamune when i face tank teams. so it is really situational...
Say on Ullr for example, I prefer to build Trans, power boots, asi, jutonns, titans and then a situational because hes so ability based he benefits from full pen builds. is this viable? the sloth build looks good as well lol
thank you
Duke providing quality vids on meta changes, unlike any other smite youtuber. Keep up the good work man
Lately I use masamune, fatalis, soul eater, executioner, and 2crit item. It work very well with Medusa, with other hunters I don't like it too much
Sick!
I never understood something. I very often build Ichaival on Hunters, but I don't ever trade it out for something else. Can anyone explain to me why you do?
Because lategame, there are other items that offer more DPS. The reason you're not building those right away is them being A LOT more expensive.
Even with the extra penetration when you're dealing with a standard kind of team (maybe a guardian, two warriors, an adc and mage)? Is it a bit more situational then when you have some physical protections on the other team?
and for assassins? Do junglers, that use that item, need to trade it for something better?
Everyone should trade it lategame. The flat penetration doesn't help against tanks at all.
trans + devs gauntlet + hastened + masamune + executioner + crit :D close too 400 damage per basic and you get the mov speed of boots
really looking forward to the Jing wei jungle that clear with heartseeker plus her 2 and passive utilization lol jing wei super jungler hunter lol
Would you say jing Wei is still viable ? I've been playing her lately and the transcendence build is pretty good for her but it starts to really pick up late game.
What do you suggest?
I've played with the build he is suggesting (Heartseeker first item into boots) against other hunters with transcendence and totally out cleared them and won lane. Trans can work but heartseeker is amazing on Jing Wei if you know how to use it. If you can get lane pressure early, try to stack up the minions and use your 2 w/ five stacks on heartseeker and often if you attack the wave and stack up the passive fast enough you can get your 1 off on the enemy hunter while having two of the heartseeker passives up at the same time (+80 power!)
Still viable, would run the Heartseekber build as Christian said.
B. K. No idea
in wich situation would you trade trascendence for qin's sais? and when for Wind Demon?
You might need to recalculate for the new Soul Eater nerf :P
Done :P ruclips.net/video/D3jYcPwZbU0/видео.html
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Ullr has a crippling addiction to mana, he just can't get enough of it.
@DukeSloth can you do another one of these videos for the current meta?
how is skadi an ability hunter?
Bcuz of kaldr p/s:I forgot how to spell the name😂
Because Kaldr scales better with power than attack speed/qins. She also has surprisingly high scalings on her abilities.
i always hybrid her. trans, power boots, ich, qins, asi and titans
its also because kaldr scales to it very well. more power means he hits harder along with the slows and ult dot dam making her very bursty.
ah ok good to know
Weird I've been using the trans build for ages
For Ullr, do you think that trading out soul eater for asi is a good idea?
I got more then the half of my godlikes using hastened by using it for chasing, wtf Hastened not good for hunters
way too little dps. pretty good in lower level games.
It's good, but at the end of the day, you're sacrificing power.
I still pick up Fatalis because of its passive. If I want to be a try hard, I would go Frostbound. in sacrificing power, yes, but the ability to stick onto and slow our target makes up for it. Fatalis is really good on Medusa especially.
If we're talking about numbers, it does less. But if you are a skilled player who can juke and land basics effectively simultaneously I would go for fatalis, if they can't hit you and you can hit them simply because you have fatalis, its better for you.
TooM3R I play every gamemode except assault, wtf you saying I'm lvl 30... See my profile: daandonut
Can i switch boots with stone cutting sword or must with masamune ?
which build is good for artemis ?
Id use the deaths toll build due to her passive providing crits early game
ok ty i know she is not the best hunter right now but i sill like her plus i just got the recon artemis skin lol
Why u do dis they still op golden bow was lane clear
Duke, why not do a bootless build with fatalis? You can try to fit in a movement speed item (masamune/stone) or wind demon to have even more speed than a boot build. The movement debuff when attacking is just way too much. I usually build fatalis with wind demon
Fatalis = lower dps. :/
For the sloth seeker build can you go heartseeker, masamune, exe or Qin, soul eater or asi (since 3.13 changes soul eater), deathbringer, and malice or wind demon? This is for characters like Rama, Jing Wei, and Xbalanque.
I feel like this would work because heartseeker's passive is useful even towards late game with these characters having steroids.
Ty^^ This is sooo helpful. Now i know what to do ^^
Thank you! :)
One question. What do you think is the best for AMC? Death's Toll build? Because he is the only god im not 100% sure^^"
K1yoH34v3nh1m3 HS or DT yeah.
wow your build on jing wei is AMAZING
Thanks!
+DukeSloth hey man I agree with basically everything except I'm pretty sure they nerfed soul eater.
It's basically useless again compared to asi.
Would that affect any builds of yours.
Working on a video for Soul Eater vs Asi right now
Don't the minions get tankier as the game goes along? So you were testing the build's clear at different times in the game. (Not sure if you mention this later. Still watching.)
They do, though the difference seems to be insignificant in jungle practice. However, all builds are based on calculations, testing on the minions was just to get a general feel for the starts.
you should do a video like this for the other roles
I'd like to say as a diamond Ullr that you can get titan's bane instead of exe on Ullr because of his attack speed steroid. That'll be all.
You most certainly can, you can generally get TB on ability hunters if you wanna trade ability dmg for dps.
why soul eater is batter then Asi? I can replace soul eather with Asi, so I will have more pen for Qyns and more lifesteal?
The passive is too good to pass up on.
I am currently making a guide on smitefire for Jing Bae, may I use your build i will give credit
+PigDino sure!
In the Transcendence build, wouldnt also be good going with Masamune instead of boots?
Good if you are ahead and against a tanky team. But it is a lot more expensive so it can slow your build down.
777th view do i get money now...
Dude I love the way you break the builds down. Really helping me out. keep it up
+vincent genovese thanks a lot! :)
Duke what do you think of Bloodforge late for the ability build instead of crit?
Meh. Too situational.
What do you think of this build :
1. Masamune
2. Atk speed boots
3. ichaval
4. Souleater
5. qin's
6. crit or pen
sell ichaval for crit or pen.
It is much cheaper than Trans and it transitions well in to lategame and team fights.
It's decent, but early Masamune isn't that great and is outclassed by Heartseeker. But definitely not a bad build.
+DukeSloth
Yeah I have been having some problems with the very early boxing, but once you start fighting your team fights faaaar better than the heartseaker build.
I sincerely disagree... heartseaker is still dead. (I didn't think that hearseaker damage added to basic attack damage. if that is the case then heartseaker on jing wei for the reason of procing it with ur 2 is the dumbest item ever)
I think these builds are for new adcs or for a god you don't know well... I have spent a while playing rama and I have found my favourite build which I will share with you.
pros: you absolutely and completely destroy EVERYTHING
cons: takes a while to get online. looks weird and ugly. p.s. rip golden bow
This build is for rama it may work on other meh clear hunters such as art apollo or xbal. not tested relics not included
start deaths toll teir 1 ichvail 1 of each pot
finish ichvail ninja tabi asi malice death bringer or executioner if pen is needed. if you went death bringer sell deaths toll for executioner. if you got executioner sell deaths toll for wind deamon. sell ichvail for wind deamon/death bringer. sell asi for soul eater.
now let me explain.
ichvail asi are transition items you can go for warrior tabi and swap em after but I find it doesn't give enough to do that. ichvail we all know what it does. asi cuz you need that burst life steal. to play this build right you need to take risks. these risks will put you in danger. now you ask me well soul eater gives a burst heal ain't it better to get it instead? no. soul eater relies on stacks. asi relies on what feels like a 6 second cooldown (and probs is close) asi is more reliable early on late game getting stacks is decently easy) also asi is cheaper. not by much but trust me you need all the gold you can get for those crit items. now why these crit items in this order? malice is cheaper and best one crit item dps. death bringer next cuz you have a built in AS steroid. if you went the executioner option why wind demon? you need all the AS you can get to apply your executioner shred. you may want to hold off on death bringer even if you don't need the shred. now with thorns you may want to wait till the enemy tanks get their second relic so as to try to bluff them into picking up a different relic
TL;DR
deaths toll ichvail ninja tabi asi malice death bringer sell death's toll get executioner sell ichvail get wind demon sell asi get soul eater.
this build yields close to (if not hitting) max AS with your steroid. it highlights the best in rama those ouchy basics. rama has one ability that has a power scaling and that is like a 50% scaling on his ult. crit is the way to go.
questions? I got answers just ask.
I haven't touched heartseeker since beta when it was OP on Loki and had the jotunns icon
+Happy Jordan heartseeker was great when it was a physical doom orb
soul eater big nerf
just use incos build
Nice Video but why do you always have a high attackspeed
I'm starting to spray ig THE attackspeed is too high
I go
Transcendence
Warrior Tabi
Soul Eater
Rage
Deathbringer
Qin Sais
What do you think?
Qin's should probably be earlier, where you put Rage; I personally don't see the appeal in Rage. Yes, its passive allows for more crits, but I'd rather have the extra damage and utility that Wind Demon provides, since two crit items is already a 40% chance, which is high enough to happen often.
+dragontyron What you said is exactly what I build.
wow u soo smart
Why would an aa hunter want to build warrior tabi over ninja tabi? I think that someone like rama would love ninja tabi as opposed to warrior tabi.
Because early on, power > attack speed, even on AA hunters.
DukeSloth ah okay thanks
nice video
Whats the build for assassins you think?
Too many different ones.
Thanks!
First!!
Whats the best Apollo build
sawsoar have you found one yet, he's the only god I main
ye been playing this game for a long time now i now know how to do el builds ;p if you need one hmu
sawsoar I'm struggling to find a build for him in arena that's the only game mode I play can you tell me a build that would shreds people?
well what i use is asi-tabi-trans-winddemon or poisened star-deathbringer-titan's and in conquest i start with death's toll
sawsoar I'm going to try this out in arena, what are you concentrating on with this build CRIT, or pen. is this build useful for taking out tanks
How do I play Freya ADC?
Hello! :D I don't know much about Freya, but what i do know, is that she needs 3 main items. Shoes of the Magi, Hastened Fatalis, and Demonic Grip. Those will be your first 3 go-to items to get on board. Depending on your playstyle, you might want to go pen (Spear of the Magus and Obsidian Shard), or just straight power (Obsidian shard and Rod of Tahuti).
Again, I don't know much about her, but i do know that much! Hope i helped!
+Aliana Vega pretty much lpl
+Aliana Vega and other item is polynomicon or hasten or soul reaver it all depends on preference. Poly for extra burst from basics or hasten for boxing and catching up or soul reaver for potent dmg but higher risk because of the cool down for it to activate
Play passive early unless you are absolutely sure you can get the kill. Play for the late game and here's your build:
Pen Boots, Hastened Fatalis, Demonic Grip, Spear of Magus, Bancroft Talon (it's op now), Rod of Tahuti.
What about telekinesis ring? Wouldn't the passive suit her?
jing wei needs crit imo so i dont like the heartseeker build
Remember he said to trade ich and heart later on for crits
yeah but that is so late game and most of the times the game ends before u can get the crits
Is Jotuun's ever a good option for Ability Based Heroes? I use it for Ullr mostly though I have no problems with it at all.
Transcendence, Warrior, Jotuun, Bloodforge, ASI, Titans bane/Hydra's Lamet
That's the build I go for and I am comfortable with
These builds are all based around auto attack dps. Thats mainly what you are looking for in hunters. However neith and ullr can both build similar to assasins and do very well if they are up against a squishy team and can land their abilities consistently. If you are up against a very tanky team I would not reccomend going jotuns, but if up against multiple mages or hunters or assasins then you could build full pen and damage and do amazingly.
Christian Demick Ah I see thanks for that
What Christian said. However, this only applies to Conquest, in other modes, Jotunn's can be viable.
DukeSloth Alright What would you recommend as a Solid build for Ullr in Conquest? I like to try out other builds and get a feel if I am comfortable with them.
Vegekuson Gaming The Trans build in this vid
I still think trans + qins is the best overal hearthseeker is just a item for people who think they are special
Trans for basic attack based hunters is garbage. You'd be rather "special" to build Trans on Apollo.
+DukeSloth trans on apollo is really good for your early ult rotations and fully stacked trans is one of the highest power items which make you hit hard
+DukeSloth its not that hearth seeker is a bad item for its price but i rather farm up a bit more and have higher dammage later on when adcs matter more
Jeroen Gense Yeaaah no. Next thing you'll tell me I should build it on Rama as well :D
I like that the builds are good for people learning how to play as a hunter or who want to get really good at hunters, but I'd like to keep this in mind: Some players play a lot better with certain items present, meaning a build might be good, but it would hold back players who are really good at, say, Fatalis in the kit (might not be as needed with the new relic)
Fatalis is a beginner crutch. A really good player won't need it. I'm bad at ADC, so I frequently build it on Medusa :P
you talk about hunters a lot. surprising to hear that you're bad at ADC
Is it a necessity to have Fatalis on assassins like Kali? Or do the same rule apply that hunters abide by?
I think some assassins may need either Fatalis or Frostbound simply because attack movement penalty hurts melee characters far more than ranged ones
Geoffrey Perrin I talk about them and I theorycraft for them (because it's easier for them), but I can't aim for shit! :D Yeah, some melees are a lot more dependant on Hastened - though with the amount of MS items we have now, there may eventually be alternative builds which skip it.