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Stephen Murphy The show probably wants to avoid Ireland from 1799 to about the 1980’s....... for reasons But we should definitely get there again considering how often we go to wales
Stephen Murphy *OR WAS IT* Honestly I was just joking around man, but I have no clue when this episode was set considering all the theories about everything (ranging from it not being Ireland to it being a dream)
I think Brendan the Garda (Irish policeman) could be either a Cyberman or a Time Lord. They used what looked like a chameleon arch/cyber-conversion unit on him.
I get your point, although it should be remembered that when 'The Deadly Assassin' came out (as opposed to 'The Cuddly Assassin' I suppose), a then-senior figure in British fandom - if such a hierarchy can be said to exist - was quick to condemn the portrayal of the Time Lords: 'WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE MAGIC OF DOCTOR WHO!' And this was in 1976. New bits to the past have always been invented. It's where it goes after that which most concerns me. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
I think the series 10 part 1 finale, WEAT, really got the body horror aspect of Cybermen. That was scary. But this was the first time I have ever been intimidated by Cybermen. They've always been robots basically. I think the Cyberleader, in that one shot "drilling" the Cyberwarrior, is making them like the leader. Making them feel feelings again. Maybe the Ascension is them becoming less robotic, more in touch with their pain, anger, rage.
I loved this episode! Was a great build up to the second part. Chibnall has made the Cybermen actually threatening again. Moffat wasn't the best at using the main villains like the Cybermen and Daleks. I am looking forward to next week! Can't wait to see your guys review.
For me... Mind Blowing!! Hopefully Chibnall's finally hitting his stride & doesn't destroy the whole timelord story. I am a little worried about that. 🙏🙏 Really hope the writing stays at this level from now on. This is the first episode I feel like rewatching since Capaldi left.
My theory since ep 2 was that the Master finds out that Humans and Gallefrains came from the same lineage, and the master is pissed that the race he hates so much comes from the same roots.
I also would like a brief cold open of the Master getting out. A few minutes would be cool from just his perspective. Granted we've never really gotten an explanation each & every time they have "died"*.
Essentially this is the middle part of a 3 part finale because episode 8 was where the Doctor let the Lone Cyberman have what it wants and now she is facing the consequences for it, everything will be answered next week and I cant wait 😍
So far I think you're the first to spot that when the young man was shot and went over the cliff, his head was facing the wrong way. You'd think with doing broadchurch, they'd get something like that right. No wonder the Cybermen see us humans as inferior, when we get our directions the wrong way round. Other than that, I enjoyed the episode. Great reaction 👍
matthew mulford I think he was just saying something like “I’m the most ordinary person you’ll ever meet” But flubbed a bit and recovered with a similar line, crew probably kept it in for authenticity and because its Brad being Brad *OR HE’S THE DOCTOR* (^wouldn’t be against that)
Some of the alien planet at the end when they are on the beach looks very much like somewhere I know in the Bristol Channel!...I may be wrong though. One thing bugged me about this episode, why would the cybermen go to all the trouble to eliminate a small group of humans?.
Never found out who the guy was on the beach. Guiding ppl into Gallifrey. Could he be another Doctor?? I suspect it's all multiverses. And the place The Master got trapped in, is the centre of it. Different exits , different universe
I think so too. Chibnall said it wasn't multiple universes, but of course the show runner wouldn't actually say what their story is. The fact that he even had to say that shows that it most likely is. He had to be like, "No it isn't" because people were figuring it out
At first I thought Brendan was Ashad but then that idea got thrown away when he didn't die falling off the cliff etc. Could he be the guy on the beach guiding people though the boundary? Also I don't think the previous humans had been going through the boundary to Gallifrey because he says something like 'I've never seen it like that before' and also it was mentioned that the boundary goes to different places each time. I think it was Gallifrey this time only because the Doctor was there, it was reacting to the person on the beach as it were. But agreed, I'm not convinced Chibnall wasn't lying to throw us off and is actually skating on the truth when he said RuthDoctor wasn't from a parallel universe because she isn't technically, its actually Thirteen who is the one in a parallel universe. Or not... we shall see. 🙂
A few times as well Graham has been mistaken as the Doctor. Jack set the ship the get the Doctor but got Graham 🤔. Plus what ship was Jack piloting?? The Cyber ship?
Dear Darlings in America, I have said it before but don't be distracted by the Cybermen. It has nothing to do with the storyline. Looking forward to next week and your reaction. Hold tight. xx
The Half-Human Doctor plot that was used for the awful tv movie was scrapped afterwards. It was only added to the film because someone decided that it was needed to sell it to the Americans.
Always had a thing for Julie Graham. Fifty-something now, but still a very sensuous looking, gorgeous lady. A great performance from her here, as ever.
Just think how AWESOME it would have been if it was Chris Eccelson dr who came through instead of the master. Then he could have said run for your life !
I think the Cyberleader is somehow making them feel feelings, somewhat, again. Clearly the leader is more human than any Cyberman has been, sans Bill & a few random moments. Maybe that has something to do with their ascencion.
I don't think your judgement at the end was fair, but that's just my opinion. Last season everyone was complaining because of the lack of story arc, and now we actually have one, still complaints. Also, the next episode is like 65 minutes long, 15 minutes longer than the standard episode, so there is time to answer the questions that won't carry on into next season.
watch Brandons scene at the end again..who does he remind you of?? to me.....it reminded me of david tennant in the human nature episode. even sounded like him...eerie
The Dr inadvertently made her own race the immortal humans jack Me/deshilda and Clara maybe cybermen can not upgrade immortals . At the end of Torchwood jack's blood brought back rex Mathers so maybe that's what jack has been doing finding people to to be markers or to pass on this immortal gene .
The guy who picked up the child in the baby basket eventually becomes the Cyberman. Brendon is the old man with the gorgeous walking stick. Surprised you didn't notice. But who is he???????
Doctors bed side Manor awkward. Bad news not so bad news . Lasers and spaceships wow !! I thought it was Jack for split second at the end. Roll on next week
I really like the new theme for the Cybermen, very metallic... industrial music. I'm not sure about this episode, though. Waiting to see how it will unfold in the next one.
The Brandon section of the story only makes sense if he is ruth's(the valeyard) companion and he is this universe version of captain Jack. I.e. Ruth is the doctor of this universe and Jodie is in a secondary universe.
@@Futures_End it doesn't make sense to show his life story now before the finale if he doesn't appear to save everyone on the cyberman ship. How else does that part of the story make sense for the finale?
@@jamesfan2 they aged just not as Dramatically. I'm not saying he's a 1 to 1 Jack for in this universe. For all we know he show up in the finale young again. I'm saying he may play a role similar to Jack in the finale. Someone chibnall can pump a lot of violence into for dramatic affect without serious consequences.
I share the same feeling about this episode (as a standalone, not a story) as you guys, it was the first time I got slightly disappointed at an episode this season (even if I don't account the missing gaps), and I know I'm probably in the minority, but I've seen better teasers, just saying. The first act was a nice tease - it felt mysterious, emotionally packed. As we went on, I kept looking at the time (something I usually never do with Doctor Who) because we kept going back and forth with no hints, no resolutions and I kept feeling something was amiss in the chase scenes, although I did love the Cybermen being portrayed as beyond ruthless (really liked that, the drone idea, the new designs,... not sure why some people complained about the drones, as they resemble flying skull heads that carry fire power and oversight, I thought that was cool and kinda frightening at times). I'm also very anxious and worried about Yaz and Graham, which is a plus for this story. Someone here seems to be flirting with death. As for Branden's story, I got very confused at the second and beginning of the third acts and I didn't buy into a few things about the final explanation. Some elements of Branden's story even reminded me of some things I didn't enjoy in Peter Harness's writing a few years ago. The ending was the best part of it though, but not unexpected, although there were 2 VERY subtle hints in this story that really got me intrigued about the final episode which I did really love (the old man's odd statement and the Cyberium's data in the aftermath of the Cyberwars both having something to do with the Time Lords) and I have some suspicions that there's a spacetime distortion in the Boundary and that these things are actual game changers for the past of the Time Lords and, oddly enough, for the future of the Cybermen as depicted in "Nightmare in Silver" that were never explained by Neil Gaiman at the time. So, I think if they wrap these loose ends well, it might redeem most of this episode for me (though not some of the pacing and conflict issues I found, but it might provide the much needed punchline for this story as a whole and for the canon). There's still a LOT of potential about this finale and, like other two-parters, I only see the full story as a whole, not in parts, even if this part didn't work for me, for the most part. Thank you for your reaction as always, we're almost there guys :)
Pushing the optimism message down our throats seemed like it was planning an in-your-face kind of turnaround. In order to bring out the feels when things go so bad that we lose a companion or more. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ As for the aging of the those in the side story, it looked to me like everybody _had_ aged. They just didn't do the dad's aging very well. . .of at all. But it looked to me as though we were to think the young kid they found was definitely a little older than the scene before. I too was annoyed at the lack of any kind of explanation behind _The Lone Cyberman_ making other Cybermen scream. It's almost like it was there just so that the one character could say that line on the bridge (I hope not).
Thomas Kelly eh? You see the kid going from baby to retirement - if he’s retiring (which would be around 70) then that would make his father around 100 at the end (since he’s around his 30s when he finds the baby) yet the father & the police guy were the same age as at the beginning of their story..
Eh, it’s a bit overrated nothing really happens I think it was a terrible first parter I mean the doctor and Ryan are together for the first time yet say nothing the humans just board a cybership and find cybermen and then the master appears you can say it’s preparing for a long finale but it’s still an overrated episode
christopher holland Overnights no longer have the importance they once did, in this era of catch-up tv. I didn’t watch it myself until later on Sunday evening, via iplayer, for example.
@@philturner1242 But even the 7 day catch up totals are now below 5M, even the Capaldi era pulled greater 7 day catch up figures. He averaged around 2.1M more than the overnights. Whittaker/ Chibnall are around the 1M mark. There again apparently the BBC don't care about the falling audience or what the fans think. However when they're turned into a subscription service that may change.
Ascension of the Toclofane more like. Does Chibnall think we wouldn't notice the exact copying of another writer's idea when he wrote those flying Cyber heads with laserbeam eyes? It seems all that Orphan 55 timeline was false and pastic no as big a risk as metal men. I wish you hadn't shown the "next time" trailer which I'm trying to avoid.
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I think this is actually the very first onscreen Doctor Who episode to feature Ireland. Also I’m an Irish whovian. 🇮🇪😉
Never would've guessed based on your avatar.
Love irish people 💜
Stephen Murphy
The show probably wants to avoid Ireland from
1799 to about the 1980’s....... for reasons
But we should definitely get there again considering how often we go to wales
Space Penguins this was Ireland in the 1950s, though.
Stephen Murphy
*OR WAS IT*
Honestly I was just joking around man, but I have no clue when this episode was set considering all the theories about everything (ranging from it not being Ireland to it being a dream)
I think Brendan the Garda (Irish policeman) could be either a Cyberman or a Time Lord. They used what looked like a chameleon arch/cyber-conversion unit on him.
I doubt he's a time lord, but the way he came back to life was very similar to how Jack comes back to life.
Small Yet Knowing Clown Captain Jacks son perhaps? Even though some of his kids and grandkids didn’t inherit his immortality.
@@stephenmurphy2212 eh, I doubt it. He could be just another person who somehow was given the similar effect of immortality, maybe by a Time lord.
I get your point, although it should be remembered that when 'The Deadly Assassin' came out (as opposed to 'The Cuddly Assassin' I suppose), a then-senior figure in British fandom - if such a hierarchy can be said to exist - was quick to condemn the portrayal of the Time Lords: 'WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE MAGIC OF DOCTOR WHO!' And this was in 1976. New bits to the past have always been invented. It's where it goes after that which most concerns me. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
I think the series 10 part 1 finale, WEAT, really got the body horror aspect of Cybermen. That was scary.
But this was the first time I have ever been intimidated by Cybermen. They've always been robots basically.
I think the Cyberleader, in that one shot "drilling" the Cyberwarrior, is making them like the leader. Making them feel feelings again.
Maybe the Ascension is them becoming less robotic, more in touch with their pain, anger, rage.
I loved this episode! Was a great build up to the second part. Chibnall has made the Cybermen actually threatening again. Moffat wasn't the best at using the main villains like the Cybermen and Daleks. I am looking forward to next week! Can't wait to see your guys review.
For me... Mind Blowing!! Hopefully Chibnall's finally hitting his stride & doesn't destroy the whole timelord story. I am a little worried about that. 🙏🙏 Really hope the writing stays at this level from now on. This is the first episode I feel like rewatching since Capaldi left.
L L Raven it was not mind blowing nothing barley happened it feels like there was no plot what so ever
My theory since ep 2 was that the Master finds out that Humans and Gallefrains came from the same lineage, and the master is pissed that the race he hates so much comes from the same roots.
That's the theory I had as well
I also would like a brief cold open of the Master getting out. A few minutes would be cool from just his perspective.
Granted we've never really gotten an explanation each & every time they have "died"*.
hichaelmartline
I just want him to get an episode to himself next year, just him Mastering around for 50 minutes
"Not a lot to react to" ..what is wrong with you dude ? That was a stellar episode.
11:17 - Man, I really miss this cool sci-fi show from the 90s. Ahhh, good times....
Essentially this is the middle part of a 3 part finale because episode 8 was where the Doctor let the Lone Cyberman have what it wants and now she is facing the consequences for it, everything will be answered next week and I cant wait 😍
So far I think you're the first to spot that when the young man was shot and went over the cliff, his head was facing the wrong way. You'd think with doing broadchurch, they'd get something like that right. No wonder the Cybermen see us humans as inferior, when we get our directions the wrong way round. Other than that, I enjoyed the episode. Great reaction 👍
'Splitting the Party' classic horror trope.
Brendan is the Timeless Child.
I thought he was the old man.
8:03 omg I was hoping to see Handles somehow when I watched the episode
Wow that's hard core cosplay you've even got Jodies hair.
When Graham nearly said I'm the doc, wouldn't they have reshot the screen if he had messed up his line...unless🤔
You're a Doctor, he's a Doctor, she's a Doctor, EVERYONE's a Doctor.
Which I'm ok with.
I don't remember that scene, but I think that was a flubbed line
matthew mulford
I think he was just saying something like
“I’m the most ordinary person you’ll ever meet”
But flubbed a bit and recovered with a similar line, crew probably kept it in for authenticity and because its Brad being Brad
*OR HE’S THE DOCTOR*
(^wouldn’t be against that)
What's not to love about this episode the new cybermen design are amazing design
Nice that the 2005 cybermen are back
Some of the alien planet at the end when they are on the beach looks very much like somewhere I know in the Bristol Channel!...I may be wrong though. One thing bugged me about this episode, why would the cybermen go to all the trouble to eliminate a small group of humans?.
Maybe Brenden is the Timeless child? Maybe he's the source of the Timelords regenerative powers?
Never found out who the guy was on the beach. Guiding ppl into Gallifrey. Could he be another Doctor??
I suspect it's all multiverses. And the place The Master got trapped in, is the centre of it. Different exits , different universe
He'll end up being Rasillon or something.
I think so too. Chibnall said it wasn't multiple universes, but of course the show runner wouldn't actually say what their story is. The fact that he even had to say that shows that it most likely is. He had to be like, "No it isn't" because people were figuring it out
At first I thought Brendan was Ashad but then that idea got thrown away when he didn't die falling off the cliff etc. Could he be the guy on the beach guiding people though the boundary? Also I don't think the previous humans had been going through the boundary to Gallifrey because he says something like 'I've never seen it like that before' and also it was mentioned that the boundary goes to different places each time. I think it was Gallifrey this time only because the Doctor was there, it was reacting to the person on the beach as it were.
But agreed, I'm not convinced Chibnall wasn't lying to throw us off and is actually skating on the truth when he said RuthDoctor wasn't from a parallel universe because she isn't technically, its actually Thirteen who is the one in a parallel universe. Or not... we shall see. 🙂
A few times as well Graham has been mistaken as the Doctor.
Jack set the ship the get the Doctor but got Graham 🤔.
Plus what ship was Jack piloting?? The Cyber ship?
The Lone Cybermen has built his army
April 25th 2020 Ah Memories
Brilliant episode
If the possibility of it all going wrong, didn't exist, what would be the point of watching?
Dear Darlings in America, I have said it before but don't be distracted by the Cybermen. It has nothing to do with the storyline. Looking forward to next week and your reaction. Hold tight. xx
The Half-Human Doctor plot that was used for the awful tv movie was scrapped afterwards. It was only added to the film because someone decided that it was needed to sell it to the Americans.
Always had a thing for Julie Graham. Fifty-something now, but still a very sensuous looking, gorgeous lady. A great performance from her here, as ever.
So, the Doctor was ginger afterall.😅
Just think how AWESOME it would have been if it was Chris Eccelson dr who came through instead of the master. Then he could have said run for your life !
No love for the new Cybers? Or old? Haha! Great video as always, guys!
They said in the very next scene that he was making all the cybermen scream (probably to wake them up)
I think the Cyberleader is somehow making them feel feelings, somewhat, again. Clearly the leader is more human than any Cyberman has been, sans Bill & a few random moments.
Maybe that has something to do with their ascencion.
You look AMAZING, Vanessa
It's literally a two-parter... what did you expect from part 1
YES!! I've been waiting. Finally, yes!
I don't think your judgement at the end was fair, but that's just my opinion. Last season everyone was complaining because of the lack of story arc, and now we actually have one, still complaints. Also, the next episode is like 65 minutes long, 15 minutes longer than the standard episode, so there is time to answer the questions that won't carry on into next season.
People are going to complain no matter what
I think the guy who became the Irish Garda (Police) is the old man and is in fact the Timeless Child?
watch Brandons scene at the end again..who does he remind you of?? to me.....it reminded me of david tennant in the human nature episode. even sounded like him...eerie
The Lone cyberman was removing the other cyberman inhibitors. All I know about the kid is that he's finally ginger?
Your hair regenerated
The Dr inadvertently made her own race the immortal humans jack Me/deshilda and Clara maybe cybermen can not upgrade immortals . At the end of Torchwood jack's blood brought back rex Mathers so maybe that's what jack has been doing finding people to to be markers or to pass on this immortal gene .
That thumbnail is super creepy There goes My Sleep
The guy who picked up the child in the baby basket eventually becomes the Cyberman. Brendon is the old man with the gorgeous walking stick. Surprised you didn't notice. But who is he???????
Nice hair there Vanessa
I think you did a great job of saying how we don’t need origin stories and we need to look forward
I vote Vanessa for the next doctor.
Did anyone else saw the broad church reference ? Merging works I see chibs
It's technically a 3 part story.
I kind of hope Ashad survives beyond Series 12 he is way better then Tim Shaw.
Great reaction...love your new hair colour,Vanessa 👍🎩
It's a wig
Doctors bed side Manor awkward. Bad news not so bad news . Lasers and spaceships wow !!
I thought it was Jack for split second at the end. Roll on next week
I really like the new theme for the Cybermen, very metallic... industrial music. I'm not sure about this episode, though. Waiting to see how it will unfold in the next one.
The Brandon section of the story only makes sense if he is ruth's(the valeyard) companion and he is this universe version of captain Jack.
I.e. Ruth is the doctor of this universe and Jodie is in a secondary universe.
But it doesn't make sense because he grows old
ONLY makes sense? Yeah I'm pretty sure it can make sense other ways too lmao
@@her0880 HE grows old, but the 'father' and ' cop' at the end did not age
@@Futures_End it doesn't make sense to show his life story now before the finale if he doesn't appear to save everyone on the cyberman ship.
How else does that part of the story make sense for the finale?
@@jamesfan2 they aged just not as Dramatically. I'm not saying he's a 1 to 1 Jack for in this universe. For all we know he show up in the finale young again.
I'm saying he may play a role similar to Jack in the finale.
Someone chibnall can pump a lot of violence into for dramatic affect without serious consequences.
lovely video
Wait, why are golf of them using the old suits and voice changer?
The only pre-ascension Cybermen I feel
I share the same feeling about this episode (as a standalone, not a story) as you guys, it was the first time I got slightly disappointed at an episode this season (even if I don't account the missing gaps), and I know I'm probably in the minority, but I've seen better teasers, just saying. The first act was a nice tease - it felt mysterious, emotionally packed. As we went on, I kept looking at the time (something I usually never do with Doctor Who) because we kept going back and forth with no hints, no resolutions and I kept feeling something was amiss in the chase scenes, although I did love the Cybermen being portrayed as beyond ruthless (really liked that, the drone idea, the new designs,... not sure why some people complained about the drones, as they resemble flying skull heads that carry fire power and oversight, I thought that was cool and kinda frightening at times). I'm also very anxious and worried about Yaz and Graham, which is a plus for this story. Someone here seems to be flirting with death.
As for Branden's story, I got very confused at the second and beginning of the third acts and I didn't buy into a few things about the final explanation. Some elements of Branden's story even reminded me of some things I didn't enjoy in Peter Harness's writing a few years ago. The ending was the best part of it though, but not unexpected, although there were 2 VERY subtle hints in this story that really got me intrigued about the final episode which I did really love (the old man's odd statement and the Cyberium's data in the aftermath of the Cyberwars both having something to do with the Time Lords) and I have some suspicions that there's a spacetime distortion in the Boundary and that these things are actual game changers for the past of the Time Lords and, oddly enough, for the future of the Cybermen as depicted in "Nightmare in Silver" that were never explained by Neil Gaiman at the time.
So, I think if they wrap these loose ends well, it might redeem most of this episode for me (though not some of the pacing and conflict issues I found, but it might provide the much needed punchline for this story as a whole and for the canon). There's still a LOT of potential about this finale and, like other two-parters, I only see the full story as a whole, not in parts, even if this part didn't work for me, for the most part. Thank you for your reaction as always, we're almost there guys :)
Pour one out for Fuskle.
Any positives your going to mention, why is most of your reaction to it mainly negative?
By the thumbnail alone, I wish I could have that kind of enthusiasm about Anything at this point.
once and for all? yikes. drastic reaction.
Pushing the optimism message down our throats seemed like it was planning an in-your-face kind of turnaround. In order to bring out the feels when things go so bad that we lose a companion or more.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
As for the aging of the those in the side story, it looked to me like everybody _had_ aged. They just didn't do the dad's aging very well. . .of at all. But it looked to me as though we were to think the young kid they found was definitely a little older than the scene before.
I too was annoyed at the lack of any kind of explanation behind _The Lone Cyberman_ making other Cybermen scream. It's almost like it was there just so that the one character could say that line on the bridge (I hope not).
Thomas Kelly eh? You see the kid going from baby to retirement - if he’s retiring (which would be around 70) then that would make his father around 100 at the end (since he’s around his 30s when he finds the baby) yet the father & the police guy were the same age as at the beginning of their story..
Eh, it’s a bit overrated nothing really happens I think it was a terrible first parter I mean the doctor and Ryan are together for the first time yet say nothing the humans just board a cybership and find cybermen and then the master appears you can say it’s preparing for a long finale but it’s still an overrated episode
3.71 Million overnight audience. Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
christopher holland Overnights no longer have the importance they once did, in this era of catch-up tv. I didn’t watch it myself until later on Sunday evening, via iplayer, for example.
@@philturner1242 But even the 7 day catch up totals are now below 5M, even the Capaldi era pulled greater 7 day catch up figures. He averaged around 2.1M more than the overnights. Whittaker/ Chibnall are around the 1M mark. There again apparently the BBC don't care about the falling audience or what the fans think. However when they're turned into a subscription service that may change.
You are not brutality honest you are a discount bay less. Embiid is too good for philly
I gave up on Who last season. I'm not sure why I'm still watching, as nothing has impressed me in the slightest.
Some strange new definition of 'gave up' that involves carrying on watching...
K bye, no one will miss you.
Then why keep on watching you dumb fuck.
Erm ok then
Ascension of the Toclofane more like. Does Chibnall think we wouldn't notice the exact copying of another writer's idea when he wrote those flying Cyber heads with laserbeam eyes?
It seems all that Orphan 55 timeline was false and pastic no as big a risk as metal men.
I wish you hadn't shown the "next time" trailer which I'm trying to avoid.