Bosnians in Kosovo!?? | A day with Kosovo's Bosniaks 🇽🇰
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- Опубликовано: 24 окт 2022
- Join me as I explore the Bosniak town of Planjane in southern Kosovo and meet some of its great people.
I understand that the idea of identity in the Balkans is not as simple as I lay it out here. I just hope to shine some light on an interesting place in the world and humanize it for people. Enjoy 👍🏻
Love to all Bosniaks 🇽🇰❣🇧🇦❣
Love you too my brother ❤️❤️❤️🇧🇦🇦🇱🇽🇰
hvala duso
Thanks
U have a nice video I think u r not Muslim look like u r Jews 🥰
29:17 najbolji deo, još uvek ima saživota umesto mržnje. Pozdrav za sve dobre ljude bez obzira na nacionalnost.
I meni se ovaj dio jako svidio, a sto bi se i mrzeli, svi smo slicnog mentaliteta i slicne tradicije.
@@antoineslife2233 Тачно. Да се врате 250 000 протераних Срба у Хрватску, 250 000 у Федерацију и 250 000 на КиМ. Такође, требало би да у свим тим "државама" вратите протеранима њихове нацификоване поседе, као и да Хрвати повуку своју војску са КиМ, обзиром да је Србија у Југославију 1918. ушла са Старом Србијом (Македонијом) и КиМ у свом саставу, као што би било добро да повучете и признање шиптарске терористичке државе на КиМ, обзиром да је Србија већ уступила Шиптарима део своје територије за оснивање Албаније 1912, под британском и аустријском оружаном претњом.
@@antoineslife2233 Ma i pored toga, svi smo ljudi! Ima dobrih i zlih ljudi u svakoj zemlji, šteta što zli ljudi upravljaju državama i medijima.
Dokaz da gdje god ideš, gdje god ih nađeš, bošnjaci su uvijek dobri gostoprimljivih ljudi sa velikim srcama :) Pozdrav od hrvata iz Tuzle 🇧🇦🇭🇷🫱🏻🫲🏼⚜️🇽🇰
Odlićan si ćovjek što širiš umjesto mržnja Benjamine 👍🏻
Love the last meating where a serb, bosniak, albanian and turk are playing cards haha
Hvala Brate, za nasu i vasu Bosnu ❤❤
Great video bro. Greetings from a Bosnian American.
Hvala, thanks for watching!
Great video! I'm impressed with your Bosnian. Greetings from Kosovo Bosniaks!
There are no "Kosovo Bosniaks", rather Serbs who converted to Islam as in Novi Pazar. I am Bosniak from Mostar and have been to so called Bosniaks places in Kosovo, in this village on the way to Brezovica and also in Lubizhde. I can tell you from a fact, Physionomy that we are different. It s just easier in Kosovo to say to be Bosniak than Muslim serb. All of them said to have ancestors that have moved from Bosnia during Ottoman period but I don t believe that.
@@cuorenerazzurro1661 selam alejkum, from a bosnjak from kosovo, first if you are so surprised to see a difference between our two peoples and well it's normal, our two peoples have been separated for centuries by different states, government, policies and society who have in turn influenced us in our culture. Besides, it is good to know that our people (in Kosovo) is one of the oldest Bosnian groups in the Balkans. Then, I don't understand, who told you that we come from Bosnia in the Middle Ages under the Ottoman Empire? nobody or rarely people think that, well it is indeed false, we are even older than the arrival of the Ottomans on our territory. selam.
@@cuorenerazzurro1661 it is not good to lie, how do I know that? Well you say you know our people? so, if we are serbs, why don't we have the same dialect? the same traditions? and above all the same story? you just fell into your own lie by pretending that you know this subject, be very careful. If we are Bosnian, it is because we know it and say it loud and clear as our ancestors did before the accumulation of all these assimilations and states.
@@cuorenerazzurro1661you are a fake trying to spread your false history and narrative.
@@TRBs20_ So did your ancestors come from Bosnia hundred of years ago or are your ancestors native to Kosovo?
My Bosnians are everywhere! They live in Macedonia too 🇲🇰🇧🇦 Macedonians and Bosnians have the best Folk music on earth ❤
That is so true! 🇧🇦🫶🏼🇲🇰
Svi idu na Zapad a ovde raj na zemlji kao i mom kraju. Pozdrav Bosnjacima Kosova od Sandzaklije. Hvala Benjaminu sto je ovo uradio, hrabar decko koji voli svoje poreklo a to je Jugoslovensko. Krv nije voda. Very interesting video. I study in Kosovo but i never meet Bosnjak people from Kosovo so this is very interesting for me.
Hvala ti za komentaru. biću uskoro u Sandzaku! Pozdrav iz Švicarskoj
Raj je ali nema se para..
Thank you for your honesty and your kind words about my people. I am one of them.
Selam Bošnjaci, svaka čast Benjamine 👌
You're ability to communicate in Bosnian/Serbian is CRAZY good 🤯
this was the best one youve made. im so proud
Greetings from Chicago my friend hope you liked Your visit to Bosnia I went there to visit family a few years ago can’t wait to go back!!
Benjamin izvini ja engleski znam onako skolski ali ti pisem na mom jeziku a nadam se da ce Google uspeti prevesti kako treba.
Pogledala sam tvoj video iz Italije o Moliskum Hrvatima i sada ovaj video.
Nadam se da ti je bilo prijatno kod ovih divnih ljudi koji su te prvi put videli ali i domacinski primili u svoju kucu. To u Ameriku ili u Evropi nikada neces doziveti. Na Balkanu ljudi zele pomoci na svaki nacin a pogotovu pocastiti kafom i jelom ako si mu ispred kuce kao ova braca Rapit i Hafit....
Nadam se da ti je bilo prijatno.
Pozdrav iz Crne Gore 🖐
very good channel, keep going strong!
Thank you for your kind words and thanks for watching 🙏🏻
Great video dude…. By the way your Bosnian language is good. Keep up the good work.
Great video man, just stumbled across your channel!
Really nice video I love Bosniaks they are very hospitable and helpful people. Selam from a Kosovo Albanian from Drenica ❤🇽🇰 ❤🇧🇦
I went back to kosovo after 48 years and had the best experience ever,I couldn’t speak Albanian and I was a bit apprehensive speaking only Serbian and English but I had no problem at all.People were friendly and when they hear you are from the west they invite you to their home and treat you like their family.Even though I could afford to pay most of the time they wouldn’t take money for anything.
Ben, you are a genius. You speak Bosnian so well that everyone thinks you are "our" American. But I especially want to thank you because in none of the videos I've watched so far related to these spaces, you haven't said a single wrong fact. You know the culture and history of these areas very well. Well done! Greetings from Sarajevo...
Much respect to the beautiful people of that town , balkan people are to much alike . I wouldn’t put him on the spot of what country he feels he is from at 20:20 . Overall 10 out of 10 . Lovely people. Beautiful houses ! Greetings from Albania 🇦🇱
The Serbian Church did not recognize as members of the Serbian people those people who changed their religion and that is why there are so many different nations in the former Yugoslavia. Because of that stupid church policy, people felt rejected and in addition to their religion, they also changed their nation. Macedonians with surnames on SKI are Serbs, and on OV they are Bulgarians. All the peoples of the former Yugoslavia except the Slovenes have almost identical DNA. Religions are the main reason for wars and hatred in the world.
Ben, thanks for visiting! First and foremost your ability to speak the language and communicate is outstanding! My mother is from Grncare, a Muslim village in Prizren that speaks the Serbian dialect! We have cousins in Recane as well. Thanks for shining light on how the reality is down there. Especially with the Bosniak Kosovars, or as some people say the Goranci (gorani ethnic group). We all get along so well with all of the other ethnics groups in Kosovo, and we’re very hospitable and friendly. The men playing cards in recane was a perfect example of the unity that you can still find in Kosovo! People are simply trying to live, no one cares what your religion is, or what is your ethnic background. The diversity is well accepted! All the best from a mixed Yugo living in America!
You speak very well Bosnian. Keep up the good work.
DA DOBRO PRICAJU NAS BOSANSKI
Mashallah super video brat, veliki pozdrav from a British Bosniak.
Best regards from Bosnia 🇧🇦
Kingdom of Bosnia was the only free kingdom in medieval balkans, the line between austrohungarian and otoman empire. We had our own church called Bosnian church/home/hiza and was a refuge for many groups like katars, bogumils, paterans who were prosecuted for their believes. Before the fall to ottoman empire that whole regions was under Bosnian crown. But this is history that you need to dig for, cause they are trying to burry it to this day.
Bravo,istina
Yes, the Macedonian Bogumils had left Macedonia after the fall of Samuil's (Bogumilian) Empire due to persecution by the Byzantine Church. They were included in the Bosnian Kingdom. Basil the Second was called the Bulgar Slayer, but the real translation of his nickname was 'the Bogumil Slayer'. It's a sad story about what the Macedonian people had to go through..history connects us 🇲🇰🇧🇦
Cool video!
live chat with locals makes your video very interesting
It was very nice to meet some local people from Kosovo. Thanks for watching :)
😁 8:12 Bošnjačko very symphatic people from Balkans. Pozdrav našoj bivšoj jugoslovenskoj braći na balkanu 🇷🇸🇸🇮🇭🇷🇲🇪🇧🇦🇲🇰 from Polska 🇵🇱 in Love ❤
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Jeszcze nie zginela Polska. Greetings from Bosnia to Poland
@@bubacorelli4836 Kiedy my żyjemy. Hvala i pozdrav našoj braći i sestrama Slovenima iz bosne. Mostar is Beautiful - was there 😁
@@EsmirodBosne ❤❤❤
They are mostly macedonians there.
Don’t forget the Croats of Janjevo, Kosovo and some surrounding villages. Known as Janjevci, Croatian settlers from the Dubrovnik Republic.
Pa sta ako su iz Dubribnika ,kakve veze ima Dubribnik sa Hrvatima do 20.st😂Istoriski gkedano nikakve ,čista politika ,prvo AU,posle komunista !
Very Nice video, brave guy
The subtitles in this video are very good. Great work, Benjamin.
Big letters easy to read. Different colours to indicate who's speaking. 👍👍
There is a village called Planjane in Dalmatia as well! This says a lot about continuity of toponyms across ex Jugoslavija
Leskovac, Krusevac, Lukavac, in Kosovo.
Youre sick mind
What if i invade your country for 200 years and change all the toponyms
Yes there is also a Bosniak village in Kosovo called Jablanica :)
I can't get enough of these language skills
You already znaš bro thank you for the support 😉😉
@@BenTheRules I am well impressed with how well you speak the language, you sound like a natural, and I love how you are able to keep the conversation going, there was no uncomfortable moments and you carried on asking and answering questions and having a conversation like a native of the country…. I commend you my brother, seriously great to see, well done 👏
Very good people, big heart
So beautiful seeing my hometown 😍
Awesome! what is your hometown?
Yes originally I‘m from Planjane
@@BenTheRules How did you come to visit Planjane?
@@mnaj660 I saw it was one of Kosovo's majority Bosniak towns and decided to check it out, see how life there was. Thanks for having me!
@@mnaj660o našinec desi
Can you come again to planjane?
Damn Dude
YOU ARE AWESOME!!! Lovely...
Thanks for talking about our people.
Hvala Ben great little adventure.
Ben I like to to say to you thank you very much. Our corrupted Bosnian politician don't care about these great Bosnian community in Kosovo and you make as American great video abaut it.Thank you very much from a Bosnian American.If you ever visit northern California be my guest.
greetings from Amsterdam. Bro just want to say for older people you could use Vi instead of Ti. Kako se vi zovete. Or when he said kako se zoves , Benjamin a vi?
I’ll keep this in mind, hvala!
Hi Ben, major correction. The "Bosnians" of Prizren are mainly of local stock, that is they belong to the Torlak-Moravian people's.
Znaci i kad se Happy prati i na tom delu sveta.... cudo
29:00 Serb,Bosnian, Albanian and Turk sitting at the bar… where’s the punchline?
Them not shooting eachother.
Nedostaje Hrvat da ih posvadja.
This man was just joking, they were all Bosniaks, the other man sad to him in Bosnian ‚stop joking with him‘ 😂
I think he is the only one left Serbian in Prizren.
Ben you are my Hero. I Am Bosnian from Ljubizda near Prizren. You are welcome in Kosovo! Fantastic Journey. Where are you from USA? I Live i Germany, Best Greets!
Bosniakischer Bruder
White flag with blue coat of arms with lillies is not the 'flag of bosniak people' but flag of Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, under that flag Bosnia was internationally recognized in 1992.
So it's an old flag of Bosnia and not bosniak peopl. Just a sidenote; video and your channel is amazing 🙏🙏
It was officially accepted as a Bosniak ethnic flag. 😉 Now take a deep breath and calm down.
Question of Kosovo is very clear and resolved for those who accept historical facts. Kosova or Dardania is albanian because simply put albanians in these places are autochthonous. Slavs came to this land in 7th century. That’s it.
Very good video I'm Form Australia Sydney. ZAman
Thanks for watching! Cheers from Switzerland
Thanks to all family. And Welcome. I'm. Love your video. ZAman Australia Sydney
Please send me your all. Video your video very good 👍. ZAman Australia Sydney
You said you picked up Bosnian from your friends. How the heck does that happen to the point where you are this good, and are also willing to travel to a corner of Kosovo no one's ever heard before?
i live in the netherlands for 29 years now. i came to holland when i was 3 years old to amsterdam. My first neigbours were moroccan muslims they were berbers ( barbarians) I learned moroccan arabic and berber just by living next to them for 26 years now. If anybody wants to hear a good berber song to expereince the language of berbers. Laila chakir - Akich Akich.
But by living next to someone and being everyday with that person or persons, You will learn automaticly the language. Just like most of us learned english just by watching tv as a kid
@@bosnahYUG Yes it happens, I know someone who learned to speak another language fluently just by because his next door neighbor spoke it in their home. He was young and his childhood friends were his next door neighbors.
@@plung3r Same as me yes :))
@@bosnahYUG Berbers and Barbarians are two completely different terms man... lol.. Don't call Berbers "barbarians" because that's an insult.
@@libertas5005 The native Berbers of North Africa were among the many peoples called "Barbarian" by the early Romans. The term continued to be used by medieval Arabs (see Berber etymology) before being replaced by "Amazigh
Really is nice to see how people see wellcome you
You should go to Janjevo and Letnica to ttalk with the local Croats
I'll add those places to the list! Pozdrav iz svicarskoj
Kosovo Albanians never had any issues or problems with Bosniaks actually Kosovo Albanians they never had any problems with anyone, other nationalities had problems and issues with Albanians.
I'll speak for myself as a Kosovo Bosniak and say that whoever thinks we have problems with Albanians is misinformed or lying. My two aunts are married to Albanians and we consider them all family.
Can you please go to kicevo in Macedonia
They converted the religion to Muslims to avoid terror from the Turks and Albanians (who converted even earlier and were putting terrible pressure on the Christian Slav population). The Turks were using the services of Albanians and supported their spread to new territories.
Historically Shar planina is a border between 2 Slavic populations - Serbian and Macedonian. The difference is in the language, religiously both are believers in the Orthodox Church. Historically the northern side of Shar Mountain, Kosovo side, was a Serbian ethnic area, while the opposite, southern side, was and still is Macedоnian (the Republic Of Macedonia).
It is very simple to judge the ethnicity of these people, just check the language they speak - pure Macedonian. I am from the Macedonian side of Shar Planina and there is no single word in our Macedonian language that is different from the language spoken by these people. Take the analogy for example of the Albanians, the fact that they have 3 different religions does not make them different nations - all are simply Albanians and that is very logical. So, how come, these Macedonians speaking pure Macedonian language are something else than Macedonians only because have turned to the Muslim religion just 150, 200 years ago?
I do not deny that some may feel differently than Macedonians because living in an extremely complex environment of extreme nationalism around them forced them to balance their identity, but that does not change the general and historical facts.
Топли поздрави до браќата од Гора од вашата Македонија. Македонија ве сака! Единствено искрено за разлика од сите други кои се само трговци на човечки души.
Hi from Planjane
Hey man you still in Kosovo ? 🇽🇰 what’s your background ?
Hey, just saw your comments! You living in Berlin or Kosovo? Next time I come I’ll hit you up.
Not in Kosovo anymore, these vids are all from early September. I’m American living in Switzerland, I speak some Bosnian because I have some friends from there and I’ve visited a few times.
Thanks for watching :)
@@BenTheRules that’s great man yes I am Albanian from Berlin basically lived for 8 years in jersey city 😄 . You got Insta ?
A dje janje?
Eh da samo nije bilo tih ratova, drugačije bi se živelo na ovim prostorima! Ali, nismo imali baš pameti, a nemamo ni sada.
A Serb converting to Islam is just a muslim Serb, not a Bosniak.
Laž
@@Bielefeld123 Dokaz?
True. Just like a serb converting to Hinduism is not an Indian but a Serb. Bosnians converting to Orthodox are not Serbs but Bosnians.
You got that wrong. A Bosniak converting to Orthodoxy from Old Slavic religion is just an orthodox Bosniak, not a Serb. Serbs have always lived across Drina river (in Serbia) and only after they got resettled by Ottomans in 16th century, they started coming to Bosnia spreading Serb identity through their clergy. Also, why did you betray Perun and other Old Slavic deities for this fake version of christianity in 10th century?
@@libertas5005 TL;DR: Probably because being an open pagan was dangerous in a Christian continent.
It is unknown exactly why we gradually converted from henotheism of Perun to a version of dualistic Arianism (and some converted to Catholicism). But it seems that we were receptive to the Bulgarian sphere of influence or sympathized with them, because for as long as Bulgaria was pagan, they had been our allies and helped us sometimes, we had the same enemies as them. That Patarenism/Catharism first came to Bosnia from Bulgaria either before 998 CE when Bulgaria conquered all the way to Zadar and attacked Croatia (and Serbia the same year), or around 1026 when Byzantium conquered Bosnia again (Anselm of Alexandria says Bosnian merchants met the Bogomils in Constantinople and brought the religion from there to Bosnia).
When the Bulgarians converted to Christianity, our main ally became Hungary until Hungary converted too around 1000 CE. Then Hungary became hostile to us.
The Catholic church first mentions a suffragan bishop appointed to Bosnia in 1062 CE, but the Franks tried to convert Bosnia from 838-876 CE after they invaded in 838 CE, they built missionary chapels. Theophanes later says "some of the Slavs threw away Christianity". But it seems that after Hungary managed to subdue Bosnia, they made it mandatory to be Catholic (in northern Bosnia which was under direct Hungarian ownership for a long time after they conquered Bosnia, non-Catholicism was not allowed), and nobles and leaders had to be Catholic, and spread Catholicism in their parishes. Vjekoslav Klaic cites some source which says that the Arians would convince the nobility first in private conversations, and then access their parishes and preach to them to abandon Christianity based on what they said is illogical in Christianity like for example "They say you have to be baptized like Christ, but they refuse to be circumcised like Christ. They say 2 Corinthians 4:4 does not say what it means when it says that the devil is the god of this world, they say that the devil isn't a second god, but why would God lie to us then?" and so on.
That is as much as I know about it. There are lots of details, but not much more about why the conversion happened. I guess it was dangerous to be an open pagan in a Christian continent, but it was easier to be a contrarian to the mainstream Christian beliefs as a way to oppose the invasive Christianity.
The old religion maybe would have continued, had it not been for the pope ordering king Stjepan Tomas to destroy the Bosnian Church's hierarchy, imprison the elders, forcibly convert the people and burn the "hizas" (the few houses of worship that the Arians had) and such. The pope promised help against the Ottomans in return for it, and Stjepan was desperate. But the help never came. The pope thought it would make it easy to spread Catholicism. Instead the people supported the Ottomans out of anger, and when the Ottomans came, they stopped all missionary activity, and promoted Islam instead to the people, who were essentially just Catholic by name but didn't like it nor care about Christianity.
I understand your sentiment though. I'm tolerant of whichever religion people choose, if they want to be pagan, I will respect them still. It is up to every person to judge if and what they think rules the universe, and if they are convinced of the theologies. We have gone through a lot as a people, every individual has to judge if he thinks there was a god protecting them when the worst thing came or not. I am agnostic personally.
Ben speaks with such a typical Bosnian accent. But he looks like a Hungarian. Very much Hungarian.
Some of the friendliest people live in Balkan region
take the cap off, that fade deserves airtime 😎
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Is the Bosniak language and Serbo-croat the same language? Would the Bosnian identity differ from the Serbian or Croate if religion was not involved? The Balkans are interesting and confusing too.
Bosnian, Croatian, Montenegrin and Serbian you could compare with German, Austrian-German, Swiss-German, or Irish-English , British English, American Language ans so on. Yes the Bosniak identity would differ although we wouldn’t have converted to Islam. Probably it would differ even more, because we would have managed to keep up our intellectual elite and knowledge of history even more. Because of the fact that we converted to Islam, our neighbours, Serbs and Croats, were on a mission to eradicate our identity over DECADES, making our people become Serbs and Croats. I challenge everyone to look that up. It sounds very one-sided, but I have nothing to hide, everyone is free to inform oneself. Because we‘ve always put religion in the first case, we let that happen to us. If we hadn‘t such pure hearted morals in our hearts, we were able to finally free ourselves from the blooddrinking neighbours.
Because Bosnian language is the first one in Ex Yu
Serbo Croatian was made later when Austria-Hungary did ban Bosnian language
Bosnian language is the only one written on five different scripts
Bosančica (Illyric), Cyrillic, Glagolic, Latin and Arabic
To present the area as a generic Slavic group that was divided by religion would be false. Croats and Serbs were seperate tribes that came from the north. Croats, having settled more to the west, became Catholic and Serbs having settled more to the east became Orthodox. Bosnian Muslims or Bosniaks were not a seperate Slavic tribe but differentiated themselves by having converted to Islam during Ottoman rule. It is disputed whether they were Croats, Serbs or the indiginous population pre-Slavic migration.
It is even disputed that Croats and Serbs came from the North, some Croats and Serbs sources claim that they have lived there for 10,000 years or are native to the Balkans. Serbs were refereed to as Illyrians in the Austro-Hungarian Empire Census. The Illyrian Movement was a society formed by ethnic Croats in Austro-Hungary in the 19th century with the aim to unite the 'Illyrian' people, this was a precursor to the unification of 'Southern Slavs'. Some even argue the existence of united Slavic race since 'sloveni' means people of the word or letter, meaning over 50% of the territory of Europe is inhabited by people that speak the same language or word, Germans are referred to as 'nemci' by Slavs which means 'mute ones' or people who cannot speak the word. Many people that call themselves Bosniaks today only came to Bosnia in the 19th century as refugees from newly liberated Christian lands by Hungary and Serbia, etc. meaning they are not native to Bosnia, one example being Alija Izetbegovic. Some Bosniaks are even descendants of German miners that came from Saxony, Germany, hence why the name of a lot of Muslim villages in Bosnia are a variation of the word 'Sasi' which means Saxon in Serbo-Croatian, like the village of Sase by Srebrenica where everyone is blonde and blue eyed. The German miners were much more willing to convert to Islam than the local Illyrians being that the Illyrians had deep roots in Christianity since it was during the rule of the Illyrians over the Roman Empire that Christianity was made the official religion of the entire empire which led to Europe becoming the Christian Continent.
There isn't a single doubt that Bosnia as a whole, during the medieval times grew culturally, politically and religiously separately from Croatia and Serbia. Therefore, Bosnians in their own right exist very much regardless of religion. On the contrary, during nationalization period in human history that began after French revolution, Bosnian Catholics and Bosnian Orthodox nationalized themselves into Croats and Serbs, becoming "different" nation, apart from their counter Bosnian Muslims people (although, during Ottoman rule, by law, people were differentiated by religion rather then by ethnicity because the Ottomans just like other European countries at that time, were subjugated to religious rule rather than civil as we know it today). And then to make things even more complicated, Bosnian Muslims never went to a process of nationalization, rather they stayed Muslims only, neglecting for the most part their ethnic identity. Both Serb and Croat nationalists used that fact to further nationalize Bosnian Muslims into Croats or Serbs. Despite all of that, there're way too many things specific only to Bosnia, to simplify and claim Bosnia being some Croatian or Serbian or half half territory, as many believe.
Mozda Goti,ima nas svakakvih jer smo ljudi,ne brojimo krvna zrnca kao ti.
it is difficult to say who was separate who was not the Serbs and Croats their name came from Iran and the Caucasus at this time of 4 and mid 5 centuries they were not Slavs but earlier a Sarmatian and Alan tribes that were populated next to each other the Sarmatians come with the Slavs first came into contact at the end of the 5th century and when the Sarmatians and part of the Alans from Caucasus and Iran came to Eastern Europe, the Slavs who mixed with those also called their (Iranian) tribe name Chorbati and Sorabi thei Bring thid Name in The Balkan among the Bosniaks were different than Avars and No Named Slavic tribes Invasion Brought into Pannoian Dalmatia in 6th Century They devastated areas and some Slavs mixed with the Indigenous Illyrians who had already come into contact with the Celts and Goths Strabo also mentions Illyrian tribes in the Balkans He also mentions by name a Japodi Celtic Veneto Illyrian tribe called Boseni (Poseni) who ruled independently in the Illyricum area, which was located in central Bosnia alongside the Breuti, Ardiaeti etc. It was therefore a very early name for the Bosnians who were not yet Slavs only in the 6th century , when the Moravian Slavs devastated the Avar areas, they mixed with the local indigenous Illyrians and Celts, especially where the Japodi and Dalmato Illyrian tribes then came the Franks and Lombards and drove out a small part of the Moravian Slavs with the Avars at the end of the 6th century From these areas back to Sava River to the Danube and over into the Carpathian Basin where they came from. The Slavs who came in connection with the Japodi Illyrian tribe called the name Buzhanie in Old Slavic script which still exists in Poland today, they are mentioned as Boszanci also same as Bosnians and there is a small area in today's Poland called Bochnija. It comes from this tribe and dates back to the 12th century. The earlier name but the problem is what was the Byzantine name for the Old Latin language for this Tribe Buzhanie, a Russian historian from the 18th century said it was the same name as that of the Bosnians mentioned in Tombstone by Alexios and Manuel Komnenos in the 11th and 12th centuries as Bosenikos or Rex Boseniklorum, probably this name still exists in the earlier 7th century Wich Venetian Archieves not disputed
There is no proof that Serbs and Croats were the _only_ Slavic tribes moving to the Balkans. They were the two biggest tribes, but every old documents mentions "numerous Slavic tribes moving into the region" in the periods before 10th century AD. Numerous is > 2, and Bosnia as autonomous region was mentioned as early as 9th century AD. That name came from somewhere, didn't just appear out of nowhere. And the fact so many people identify as Bosnians/Bosniaks for more than 1100 years is still a proof of their separate culture.
There's also the fact that Slavs back in the time didn't have nationalism, like any other group of people they weren't bound by any other identity except for their common language (Old Slavonic). Only after they started mixing religion into their identity these forced divisions started being important. Clergy and local rulers used it as a mean of conquering other lands, same like the rest of European ethnic groups - they were brainwashed into _othering_ their neighbors which would justify the wars of conquest of their absolute monarchs.
One of the reasons why Bosnians converted to Islam in such high numbers was because they were persecuted due to their unique Bosnian Church affiliation, which both Serbs and Croats saw as _heretic_ - even Crusade was called against Bosnians by Hungarian king, as requested by the Serbs. So yeah, learn a bit about history before you start spreading misinformation.
Amazing video Ben, just for your information, Boshnjaks are not slavic People, they are Illlirian tribe and they are the best of best humans on earth.
I really appreciate the video you are making, but I want to correct a part of your speech (3:00) where you say that the Bosnians were caught in the middle because the Albanian part considered them Muslims who spoke the language of the Serbs, but this is not true because the Albanians have no conflict with Bosnians, zero conflict at any moment in history.
Ethnicity is not as simple as religion though, Ben. People of Bosniak origin have moved around during Ottoman times all over the Ottoman Empire. Like the people in Kosovo, you have Bosniaks who live in Turkey and even as far as Palestine. Look up last name of Bushnaq - those are the Bosniaks of Palestine who moved there in the 19th century
Many Kosovo Bosniaks have nothing to do with ethnic Serbs historically. Some of them are illyrians and others have roots from Sandzak. Furthermore, many people from the latter mentioned area have Bosnian roots because they fled to that area when the Austria-Hungaria came to Bosnia.
Yup he got that wrong. Many Bosniaks emigrated from Bosnia and have direct lineage tracing back to Bosniak land in Bosnia, but due to Ottoman conquest, they resettled elsewhere over the period of 400 years. There's even Bosniak community in Palestine (which was back then still in Ottoman Empire)
The climbing joke lmaooooo
🇰🇷 Bosnia 🇧🇦
Dude, you've got the ethnicity thing completely figured out. For a foreigner that's impressive.
To make things more complicated, most of the ethnicities here identified with their peoplehood until the 19th century, after which various political projects grouped the idiots into "nations" by religion. Bonkers, I know.
Reality of the most percentage of Kosovo Bosniaks it's different..... Most of them where forced to spek Serbian After first and second world war.... Most of them do have Albanian Origin and they're great parents where Albanian speaker's this is very Common in the region of Prizren (Zhupa and Dragash).
Also in Sanjak Region you find the same story all this Bosnians whre forced and pushed to become Serbians by Serbian regime during last ceuntry.
Stop lying with all those thing hahah. You guys are funny sometimes
@@Friluftsbaba just ask them and than argue....
In general, the Balkans are good and hospitable people, and the Bosnians especially. The hatred comes from politicians and the media, especially from Belgrade.😝
People of the Balkans for centuries lived in peace because Ottoman Empire secured peace. You need a history lesson my friend. Ethnicity and religion has nothing to do with politics. You seem like a nice guy but you mix up many things. The whole Slavic South Slav is a political myth. Slavic can be used for similar language but nothing else. There is no Slav ethnicity or origin. The so-called "South Slavs" have no common origin only similar language. You and I speak similar English language but have no similar ethnic origin to give an example. The "South Slav" myth is political propaganda the last 150 years for Yugoslavia which ended tragic because it was political project and not people's project.
ottoman empire wasn’t peaceful lol
@@keno2285It secured peace in the Balkans for centuries. Before that there were many wars in the Balkans including your country which was often under atrack
@@eh8706 yeah right
@@eh8706 bosnia was a frontier for centuries facing constant attacks from austrians same with the smederevo pasaluk
@Illyria J2b2 explain?
I'm from Russia, and I understood 60-70% of the conversation
Interesting! I think it helped that they were talking a lot about nature and basic "life words", like voda, drvo, zapad, zivot, etc. Those words tended to stay the same in many slavic languages.
Bosnians and Goranis dont have an voice, why the Serbs have more voice than them.
Maybe cuz the Serbs make more pressure
can you come back to Planjane
Kakav opasan team srbin bosnjak albanac i turcin kakva mafija to je nevidjeno...
oni vode grad
Bosniaks Lived on kosovo before anyone
You just can't beat , mixing with the locals . The Balkan people invite you in for a coffee . Would you get the same treatment in the USA .
Tell me Ben? What is your religion?
The three languages they speak are Albanian, Bulgarian, Serbian. Nobody speaks Macedonian.
Neo-fascists call it Macedonian, but yeah, it's just western bulgarian
They speak Bosnian, no Serbian.
This guy spreads ignorance. He made of a term "Bosniak" some mix of albanian religion and serbian language. Bosniak is a pre ottoman term and it has nothing to do with islam. Only nowadays since a great majority of Bosniaks is muslim is it being connected to islam.
of course it's not as simple as I say in the video. the term was used in the ottoman empire, but today it's mostly used to describe Muslims of Bosnia and other yugoslav nations. During Yugoslavia they were only referred to as "Muslims" and only in the 1990s the term Bosniak made a return
Dardanian Epirots & Slavic =thats it very easy
Balkanci su zakon
Inace oko cistog sprskog/bosnjackog/hrvatskog/crnogorskog/... jezika na kojem ovi ljudi odgovaraju ako ih pitate na tom jeziku ne treba da vas potsecujem da iako su u bivsu Jugoslaviju oficijalni jezici bili sprsko-hrvatski, makedonski i slovenecki, svi smo znali srpsko-hrvatski jer je to bio univerzalni jezik razumljevanja za 22 miliona ljudi razlicitih nacioanlnosti. I za mene to kao Makedonac nije nikakav problem, ali je problem ako to sto Goranci znaju da odgovore na sprskom (jer su ucili ili radili po Jugi ili gledali RTB) je dokaz da su srbi ili bosnjaci ili marsovci. Nema logike. Poslusajte kako pricaju izmedju njih. Ako vam to deluje razlicnije od vasih jezika to je jednostavno zasto je to zasebni Makedonski jazik.
Pozdrav svima saljem iz Makedonije.
Still dunno wat a bosniak is and why there was a war
Depends which war you’re talking about lol
Naši Bosnjaci Kosova, imaju obrazovanje na bosankom u sva tri nivoa školstva ⚜️🇧🇦🇽🇰
Kosovo was and will always be Serbia!
No never
@@Bielefeld123
Soon be patient and see. 😇
When you defeat the Anglo US empire. Not sooner.
@@sal78sal Putin will do that
actualy Bosnjak and Bosnian is not a same, Bosnian is guy from Bosnia and Bosnjak is Slavic Muslim from Yugoslavia who don't belongs to Albanian or Gorani people. So in Bosnjaks (word) belongs this people: Bosnian Muslims, Sandzak people (Serbia), Sandzak people (Montenegro), Slavic Muslim people of Kosovo (Gorani people don't want to belong there but actually they are also Bosnjaks). Gorani people are also Slavic and they speak language who is mix of Serbian, Macedonian and own local words. Albanians are not Slavs. Just give the info.That are the biggest groups I think but you have Bosnjak people also in Croatia, Macedonia and whole world. Biggest group is afcorse in Bosnia so the name Bosnjak derived from there. We look similar but still are differences. Regards
Thanks for this, it's very helpful! I learned most of this info after publishing the video last year, but I admit it's quite confusing at first 😭 hvala za komentaru
FYI JUST A TIP STOP SAYING BOSANAC BOSANCI WE ARE BOSHNJATSCI BOŠNJACI BOŠNJAK, BUT THEN AGAIN MANY BOSNIAKS SEE THESE WORDS BOTH AS INTERCHANGEABLE TODAY JUST AS WHAT WAS SHOWN LATER ON IN YOUR CLIP.
Thanks again for your comments 😂 as you can tell Bosnian is by no means my 1st language, and I didn’t know how to distinguish Bosnian from Bosniak in your language when I made this video. I didn’t learn that the word Bošnjak existed until the guy in the car said it on the way back to Rečane. You’ll notice that all 3 of the older people I interacted with earlier in the video were using ‘bosanc/bosanci’ though which I found interesting. Thanks again for your comments have a good day
@@BenTheRules Well first guy said Bošnjak then you started saying bosanac bosanski so which probably resulted in him switching to Bosanac. Also notice the democratic party is written in the video “BOŠNJAKA” BOSNIAKS…Bosnian is regional term for someone from BOSNIA. These people are of mixed Bosniak/Torbeš origin who gradually overtime integrated into the bosniak community. Notice salko first asked if you were Bošnjak 😉 btw one of my ancestors was named Salko which is short for Salih. I notice a lot of these names they use aren’t used in Bosnia like Hafit or Rapit 🤔 maybe they’re some older names that aren’t as commonly used today.
Just listened to Salko and the fruit guy again and you’re right, thanks for clearing that up. Like I said my Bosnian is not great and I’m still learning the language as I go 👍🏻 I of course know the difference between Bosnian and Bosniak in English. Thanks again for your comments they were insightful
@@BenTheRules No problem. I am glad to see you are learning and know our lipi bosanski jezik 😉
@@BenTheRulesthe earlier name for Boshnjaks was Boshnjanin wich Dated from 11th and 12th Century Tombstone of Alexios and Manuel Komnenos Byzantine Kings that Exist today in Turkey in Turbe of Sultan Suleyman Boshnjaks mention there as Seperate Tribe that Ruled the Land Between The River,Drina and Una with Own Tradition and Culture we doesnt come from anybody Serbs,Croats are whatever Else thei said in Comments
They have no competition to Bosnian because they not Bosnian. BOSNIAN IS POLITICAL
Come to Bosnia 🇧🇦🇧🇦
Drzite se Bosancerosi Bosna je uz vas
Bosnian Turkey Serbian they have better life in Kosovo than in Serbia or Bosnia, they have lots of rights in Kosovo, They not many like 5% rest 95% are Albanians
Why there is a bosnian flag ? Bosniaks aren’t bosnian
Where is there a Bosnian flag?
@@BenTheRules at the beggining when you came to rečane
@@irmoks5872 this isn’t the Bosnian flag, this is the flag of the Bosnian ethnic group. It’s often associated with Bosnia because that’s where most Bosniaks live, but it’s not a national flag
Hey, very good Ben. You have just won your first Balkan Online Chat battle. You're one of us now@@BenTheRules
@@BenTheRulesIt actually was the national flag of 1992.
Your bouncing around too much Ben. Other than that good work.
Thanks for the advice, the bouncing is something I’ve noticed and I’ll pay more attention to in future videos. Thanks for watching!
What’s that mean?
@@keno2285 The footage
Not the best explanation in the first 2 minutes. Most Bosniaks in Kosovo are descendants of refugees (Muhadžiri) who fled from war or Austro-Hungarian/Yugoslav occupation and many settled around Prizren mixing and fully integrating the Torbeši community. Its also worth mentioning the Bosnian church which also was a result of the great schism. Another thing you forgot to mention most of the catholics and orthodox population in bosnia used to identify as Bosniaks until the mid late 18th century up unto Austro-Hungarian occupation. Just not the best explanation comimg from a jabandžija 😬😂
Thanks for your comment. I did not know this origin of the Bosniaks around the Prizren area, thanks for sharing. It was very tough to find info on this online. Nonetheless, it stands that these people likely converted to Islam during Ottoman rule. It also isn’t super relevant to this video when their ancestors came to Kosovo, as I just wanted to show off an interesting phenomenon of Bosniaks living in Kosovo which I don’t think many people outside of the Balkans know is a thing.
I didn’t mention the Bosnian church because it doesn’t exist today and yea even though it’s relevant for why Bosniaks are not catholic or orthodox, the point of my video isn’t to give an in depth history lecture, it’s just to give a brief intro to the topic to some people. I’m not an expert in history by any means, I only want to explore things that I find interesting and see how people live in different parts of the world.
And what is jabandžija, is this your version of ‘gringo’😂
Have a good day 👍🏻
@@BenTheRules Jabandžija means “Stranac” foreigner, outsider etc so yes it can mean gringo 😂 but then against the video was amazing and this is my first time seeing a in depth video on the people and community of Bosniaks in Kosovo not in our native language so it was great…besides the history part which can be triggering. Also some Bosniaks also live around Peć and Mitrovica as well who mostly originate from Sandžak. There’s even a street in Mitrovica called “Bošnjačka mahala” which would translate to Bosniak neighborhood. Mitrovica was even under the authority of the Bosnian eyalet during the Ottoman empire connecting Bosnia via Sandžak to Kosovo.
Jedno od najstarijih Sela Bosnjaka je na Kosovu, tako da nisu ti bas tacne informacije😉
@@smajli1862 Bošnjačka mahala?
The Bosnians around Prizren and in Prizren are native to Kosovo, and were called Torbeši before the 90s. Nowadays a lot of them declare themselves as Bosniaks like you can see in this video. It‘s true that some Bosniaks from Bosnia or Sandzak married Torbesi from Prizren but only some. Most of the Torbesi are not mixed.
You know people usually define their ethnicity by their political beliefs in the Balkans, right? There are for example the Gorani who do not consider themselves Bosniaks, who are also muslim Slavs. Ethnicity is not given in the Balkans per se like most ethno homogenous nations in the West. Kosovo is furthermore probably trying to push them towards calling themselves Bosniaks as Gorani in general are no on the best terms with the Albanians compared to the Bosniaks.
Ethnicity has nothing to do with politics. You are clueless about Balkans.
@@eh8706 I am from there mate 🤣 Look at the "Ashkalis" - they're muslim gypsy. Pomak, Torbesh, Vlah, Macedonian, Montenegrin - we have plenty of "ethnicities" based on political beliefs down here or molded during the communist regime in Yugoslaiva.
Bosniaks for example did not exist up until the 90's - before they were just called muslims in Yugo. Please distinguish facts from feelings.
@@AJSrbin You are a hateful liar. And your so-called "facts" are fascist lies. Fuck you and your politics
@@eh8706 Look it up lol, I do not understand what you are so mad about. Ashkalis for example has no basis whatsoever for their claim of Egyptian heritage, but are simply distinguishing themselves from other gypsies by being muslim. People previously usually identified themselves on the census from what they could gain the most from due to poverty.
@@AJSrbin bosniaks existed before the 90’s. we were forbidden from using our ethnic name since austro-hungarian period.