I heard that the GPUs and chips used were lower level Nvidia technology. More advanced Nvidia technology is off limits to the Chinese. The employees in his company were young graduates from the best Chinese Universities. He wanted young brilliant engineers and they were organized to work in groups with a minimum of hierarchy. Bingo.
"He wanted young brilliant engineers and they were organized to work in groups with a minimum of hierarchy" What the founder of DeepSeek did different is that he wanted to solve the hardest problem, going from 0 to 1, instead of 1 to 100, which is the typical Chinese copycat/thiefing/stealing/imitating/catching up behavior. They just want to copy and improve what others have invented.
Vijay Prasad is one of my only few respected Indian origin people who is original and bold historian/forward thinker I have known whose blood is not mixed with the tainted anglo saxon world.
Chinese history is rich with every conceivable strategy, which makes the USA's overconfidence perplexing. One should exercise great caution before provoking a cold war with China. For instance, in Sun Tzu's "The Art of War," he emphasizes the importance of knowing both yourself and your enemy: "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles." This principle underscores the value of understanding and preparation, suggesting that underestimating an opponent can lead to downfall.
Very basic psychology of human is HOMO SOCIAL. The problem is when we are caught in a shortterm thinking, a very limited horizon, a selfisness, and lack or fallshort of wisdom, materialism overwhelmingly took over our paradigm. Greed is good if it is for the better of everybody.
My own catogarization of scientists are: The left wing scientists that are motivated by the Progress of Science and Technology for the Benefit of Mankind. The right wing scientists that are motivated by the Progress of Science and Technology for the benefit of their stakeholders. The nationalist scientists that are movtivated by the Progress of Science and Technology for the benefit of their nation. The narcissit scientists that are motivated by their own glory. And the naive scientists that are just motivated by the progress of Science.
@@ysw8291 Yes, indeed. They all started naive and evolve depending of their cicumstances. I will always remember reading in the National Enquire in the 1970's that the No.1 motivation for the US students in medecine had change from "seeing people nude" to "making big money".
seems our first exposure to life in early education is competition. Most of the subject we engage in is about competing against peers rather than collaborating with them. Maybe we need to start putting more weight on collaboration in our education systems. Healthy competition is important but currently seems imbalanced. Food for thought.
@@BettBeat_Media I believe we already have a healthy dose of primal competition built into our DNA . But the collaborative counterbalance we once had has slowly been eroded by modern (one winner) systems. Considering we are heard species by definition, venturing outside our DNA too aggressively may be consequential to our survival .
China gifted a statue of Marx to his hometown of Trier, Germany. The docudrama called The Young Karl Marx is a joint production of German, French, Dutch, and British filmmakers which shows how Marx and Engels struggled to analyze the exploitation of Irish and child labor in the early industrial factories which was horrendous. A quality production.
Of course they can't allow a wholesome approach - if they did, they'd end up digging their own graves because their untenable economic system will collapse immediately. It also allows free paradigm shifts to occur by not allowing monopolies of thought.
we have to remember , currently we only use 2 state systems in computing with is 1or 0 or on or off. It's impossible to convert this to intelligence as our brains which is the reference for intelligence uses multiple states combined with our DNA stored information and emotional inputs. so agree - we are no were near AI
@@miketiong8441 LOL , I agree we can process many more 1-0 instructions with current processors then 10 - 20 years ago but the underline instruction sets are still the same. Thats why Qunatium is interesting as it introduces 2 more states.( I believe ) making it infinitely larger in compute variables . LLM's are exactually what they say Large Language models based on existing I/O . Just handled in larger volumes with faster compute power.
P/S happy to be corrected if I'm in error in my understand but " technology has progressed very far " may not be detailed enough . appreciate the update though.
Hannah Arendt didn't like him. (But she helped her Nazi ex-lover get published in the US and basically created the cult of Martin Heidegger.) Mind you, I've heard from other sources too that Adorno was a self-serving prick, so....
I used to be a big fan of Oxford Union & Cambridge debates. However, they're debated sh** & Sh** ever more. I stop watching them yrs ago. This iddias exchange clips inspires me much more that OxCam sh**, leving alone over pompous Harvard
India should strive to produce one version of Ai software which competitive in performance and features in the next 24 months, otherwise it over for Indian self proclaim status of high tech and superpower status.
still dont understand how a holistic approach created deepseek. what ive learned is that the only reason we do something tht really costs us is to make money.
ironically deepseek relies on a parameterized westerm cultural corpus to do the r1 model's heavy lifting by extracting implicit liberal individual western chain of thought reasoning norms which the illiberal chinese corpus is largely bereft of. Maybe deekseek creators are low key anti cpp lol?: *me asking deepseek:* "given english is the lingua franca of many domains then surely you bias toward english chain of thought?" *deepseek's reply:* "You're absolutely right to point out that English, as a global lingua franca, plays a significant role in shaping my training data and, by extension, my responses. This does introduce a bias toward English-based patterns of thought, especially in domains where English dominates, such as science, technology, and international discourse."
@@BettBeat_Media -可能与中国在世界排名垫底的情况相符，联合国咨询了无国界记者组织对第 19 条人权的排名- probably comports with china's bottom of the world UN consulted RSF press freedom ranking per article 19 human rights
What the founder of DeepSeek did different is that he wanted to solve the hardest problem, going from 0 to 1, instead of 1 to 100, which is the typical Chinese copycat/thiefing/stealing/imitating/catching up/follower behavior. They just want to copy and improve what others have invented. They fully deserve their copycat reputation. Now, it is refreshing to see some Chinese are breaking out of this mode of servitude behavior.
@ I am a Chinese myself. I just hope the Chinese can ditch their imitative reputation and start really innovating like DeepSeek and Huawei, which are extremely rare in a country of 1.4 billion people.
My only surprise when it comes to DeepSeek is that it took so long to surface. I guess reverse-engineering AI models takes longer than knocking off an IPhone or a Fendi bag.
@@SlimJim3082Indian scientists are mercenaries brought off by the west making it impossible for India to advance as quickly as china considering their comparable history and strength
For the other part of our conversation with Vijay, go here: ruclips.net/video/UGphQQURw5s/видео.html
China takes the consumer more seriously and respectful. Quite the opposite with western hegemony.
Except for TEMU which is the Chinese-North American version of Amazon. Prices are good, but the products aren't exceptional.
Vijay Prashad is my favourite historian. He's fabulous
DeepSeek just burst the imperialist capitalism bubble 😂😂😂
DeepSeek reveals who really was doing the work for the king boys...
Thank you Karim,Peter and Vijay❗️
Absolutely fundamentally important discussion. Thank you.
Excellent. Really hope you guys do a follow up on the discussion of intellectual traditions and academia.
there is an emergent reflection process in deepseek
I heard that the GPUs and chips used were lower level Nvidia technology. More advanced Nvidia technology is off limits to the Chinese. The employees in his company were young graduates from the best Chinese Universities. He wanted young brilliant engineers and they were organized to work in groups with a minimum of hierarchy. Bingo.
DeepSeek accumulated over 10,000 of the Nvidia's fastest chipsets before the ban.
"He wanted young brilliant engineers and they were organized to work in groups with a minimum of hierarchy" What the founder of DeepSeek did different is that he wanted to solve the hardest problem, going from 0 to 1, instead of 1 to 100, which is the typical Chinese copycat/thiefing/stealing/imitating/catching up behavior. They just want to copy and improve what others have invented.
@@michaelngan99😂 That is a lie. Show the proof.
@@michaelngan99😂 Cope harder jealous tr😂ll
@ He said that on an interview. He used 2000 out of the 10,000 chipsets he got to train DeepSeek R1.
Vijay Prasad is one of my only few respected Indian origin people who is original and bold historian/forward thinker I have known whose blood is not mixed with the tainted anglo saxon world.
Chinese history is rich with every conceivable strategy, which makes the USA's overconfidence perplexing. One should exercise great caution before provoking a cold war with China.
For instance, in Sun Tzu's "The Art of War," he emphasizes the importance of knowing both yourself and your enemy: "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles." This principle underscores the value of understanding and preparation, suggesting that underestimating an opponent can lead to downfall.
Thank you Vijay
Enjoyable discussion fellas.
THANK YOU GENTLEMEN FOR YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS DISCOURSE! 👍👍👍
Most welcome!
Brilliant mind.
Prashad is also the reason I stopped to watch this video. His views and opinions are very refreshing and eye-opening.
Very basic psychology of human is HOMO SOCIAL. The problem is when we are caught in a shortterm thinking, a very limited horizon, a selfisness, and lack or fallshort of wisdom, materialism overwhelmingly took over our paradigm. Greed is good if it is for the better of everybody.
I love how DeepSeek shows you how it is thinking so you can even correct its perception before it gives you the final answer!
My own catogarization of scientists are: The left wing scientists that are motivated by the Progress of Science and Technology for the Benefit of Mankind. The right wing scientists that are motivated by the Progress of Science and Technology for the benefit of their stakeholders. The nationalist scientists that are movtivated by the Progress of Science and Technology for the benefit of their nation. The narcissit scientists that are motivated by their own glory. And the naive scientists that are just motivated by the progress of Science.
A human being can demonstrate a mix of all the traits mentioned to varying degree..
@@ysw8291 Yes, indeed. They all started naive and evolve depending of their cicumstances. I will always remember reading in the National Enquire in the 1970's that the No.1 motivation for the US students in medecine had change from "seeing people nude" to "making big money".
@ We are all dwarfs standing on the shoulders of past giants.
China will overcome any obstacles in it's way to become the most advance n technology country in the world !!!!
Why the silence on Dr Abu Safiya? My heart breaks for Dr Safiya. Pls can someone explain?
seems our first exposure to life in early education is competition. Most of the subject we engage in is about competing against peers rather than collaborating with them. Maybe we need to start putting more weight on collaboration in our education systems. Healthy competition is important but currently seems imbalanced. Food for thought.
Exactly one of the aspects I wrote about in my capitalism paper I discussed in this video.
@@BettBeat_Media I believe we already have a healthy dose of primal competition built into our DNA . But the collaborative counterbalance we once had has slowly been eroded by modern (one winner) systems. Considering we are heard species by definition, venturing outside our DNA too aggressively may be consequential to our survival .
China gifted a statue of Marx to his hometown of Trier, Germany. The docudrama called The Young Karl Marx is a joint production of German, French, Dutch, and British filmmakers which shows how Marx and Engels struggled to analyze the exploitation of Irish and child labor in the early industrial factories which was horrendous. A quality production.
WallStreet hypes any new tech to get rich quick.
Please share these works with all of us..thx
Can be publicly found on ResearchGate
I referred Dr Jared Ball to this episode. The discourse about teaching, is felt in the HBCUs too.
Would love to talk to Ball.
👍👍👍 Vijay Prashad 👏👏👏
👌🇧🇷🇷🇺🇮🇳🇨🇳🇿🇦➕️👌👍👍👍
Of course they can't allow a wholesome approach - if they did, they'd end up digging their own graves because their untenable economic system will collapse immediately.
It also allows free paradigm shifts to occur by not allowing monopolies of thought.
God Bless China!!!
Would love to read your article Karim 😊
I remember sending it to u a while back through Substack.
Ai and emerging technology can be used to advance human progress, and prosperity, but it is used to make profit instead?
we have to remember , currently we only use 2 state systems in computing with is 1or 0 or on or off. It's impossible to convert this to intelligence as our brains which is the reference for intelligence uses multiple states combined with our DNA stored information and emotional inputs. so agree - we are no were near AI
You are lost .... technology have progressed very far
@@miketiong8441 LOL , I agree we can process many more 1-0 instructions with current processors then 10 - 20 years ago but the underline instruction sets are still the same. Thats why Qunatium is interesting as it introduces 2 more states.( I believe ) making it infinitely larger in compute variables . LLM's are exactually what they say Large Language models based on existing I/O . Just handled in larger volumes with faster compute power.
P/S happy to be corrected if I'm in error in my understand but " technology has progressed very far " may not be detailed enough . appreciate the update though.
❤❤❤❤❤🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻👍👍👍👍
God damn and curse this subjugating system around the world
Why have i heard Theodor Adorno is evil?
Hannah Arendt didn't like him. (But she helped her Nazi ex-lover get published in the US and basically created the cult of Martin Heidegger.) Mind you, I've heard from other sources too that Adorno was a self-serving prick, so....
I used to be a big fan of Oxford Union & Cambridge debates.
However, they're debated sh** & Sh** ever more. I stop watching them yrs ago.
This iddias exchange clips inspires me much more that OxCam sh**, leving alone over pompous Harvard
India should strive to produce one version of Ai software which competitive in performance and features in the next 24 months, otherwise it over for Indian self proclaim status of high tech and superpower status.
India is too caught up following the West in capitalism and right-wing fascism.
It's a long time since l heard of Lucacs and Marxism ❤
still dont understand how a holistic approach created deepseek. what ive learned is that the only reason we do something tht really costs us is to make money.
ironically deepseek relies on a parameterized westerm cultural corpus to do the r1 model's heavy lifting by extracting implicit liberal individual western chain of thought reasoning norms which the illiberal chinese corpus is largely bereft of. Maybe deekseek creators are low key anti cpp lol?:
*me asking deepseek:* "given english is the lingua franca of many domains then surely you bias toward english chain of thought?"
*deepseek's reply:* "You're absolutely right to point out that English, as a global lingua franca, plays a significant role in shaping my training data and, by extension, my responses. This does introduce a bias toward English-based patterns of thought, especially in domains where English dominates, such as science, technology, and international discourse."
Yeah, DeepSeek also called Israel-Palestine issue "complex"....
@@BettBeat_Media what did it say in chinese?
@@blengi No idea.
@@BettBeat_Media probably comports with china's bottom of the world UN consulted RSF press freedom ranking per article 19 human rights
@@BettBeat_Media -可能与中国在世界排名垫底的情况相符，联合国咨询了无国界记者组织对第 19 条人权的排名-
probably comports with china's bottom of the world UN consulted RSF press freedom ranking per article 19 human rights
What the founder of DeepSeek did different is that he wanted to solve the hardest problem, going from 0 to 1, instead of 1 to 100, which is the typical Chinese copycat/thiefing/stealing/imitating/catching up/follower behavior. They just want to copy and improve what others have invented. They fully deserve their copycat reputation. Now, it is refreshing to see some Chinese are breaking out of this mode of servitude behavior.
One of the greatest gifts to human beings is the instinct to mimic and improve. Take an infant for example. This is how humans learn and evolve.
@ I am a Chinese myself. I just hope the Chinese can ditch their imitative reputation and start really innovating like DeepSeek and Huawei, which are extremely rare in a country of 1.4 billion people.
Yeah, right. That's why Chinese cities look amazing while the US ones are slowly falling apart. 😂
Fox news this is Chinese innovation, not copy 😅😅😅. Don't be jealous. I guess you are Indian 😅
Now US big guys adopting deepseek innovation 😅😅😅. They are now copying Chinese innovation 😅😅😅
My only surprise when it comes to DeepSeek is that it took so long to surface. I guess reverse-engineering AI models takes longer than knocking off an IPhone or a Fendi bag.
Mumbai-Dharavi numba-1
Naze west parrot 😂😂
What? why are you watching this program?? ?Error error you may find truth here!!! go back to Tel Aviv or Lithuania.
Cope
Stay in superiority bubble... No one cares
Indian AI DeepSeek is faster and cheaper than Chinese AI
You damn right. Lol
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Indians have AI? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@SlimJim3082Indian scientists are mercenaries brought off by the west making it impossible for India to advance as quickly as china considering their comparable history and strength
@Zubir
You mean Deep$h*t ?