The Prodigal Son and Christian Nationalism | Doug Wilson
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- What it all comes down to is that America needs an intervention. Suppose a loved one in your family decides to go on a bender, let’s say, and it lasts for a couple weeks longer than it ever did before, and so then somebody calls a family meeting, and there is much discussion amidst the lamentations. At the end of the meeting, a representative of the family is chosen to go talk to the errant one. The family ambassador is urged to be kind, but stern, like a Dutch uncle.
The backslider had a good upbringing, they all think, and still has “good bones,” as it were. But the good bones don’t obscure or mask the reality of the big-time sinning, not at all. Like the prodigal son in the story, the good training seemed to come out in the repentance, which was straight up the middle. But unfortunately, this was preceded by a lot of whiskey and not a few women, also pursued straight up the middle. The repentance was good, which is good, because there was quite a bit of bad material to work with.
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Every Christian, indeed every American, needs to hear this message and take it to heart. Thank you for getting to the heart of our national and personal spiritual problem.
You want to make America a "Christian nation" (which it never was)? Start in your own churches. The states that have the heaviest populations of "Evangelical Christians" and "Conservative Christians", etc are the the same states that lead the nation in divorce, abortion, infant mortality, maternal mortality, violent crime, poverty, and teen pregnancy (this is the short list). This has been the reality for nearly 5 decades. There is nothing more hypocritical than a Christian T***p supporter. When you get done with your churches, then talk to the rest of us. Like Jesus said "Take the log from your own eye, before you take the speck from your brother's."
It's wrong though. Right off the bat we have a problem. America was a majority Christian nation, but it was not a Christian Nation. Most Africans were Christian but they were clearly not part of the American identity. Most Native Americans became Christian but were not considered Americans. The identity of the United States was based on Race not religion which is why an Atheist White man had more rights than a devout Black man. When slavery was on going in the Med. Sea Christian countries like Spain forbade the sale of Christian slaves. The United States forbade the sale of White slaves. Race, not religion was the identity.
This is absolute gold, silver, platinum and precious stones! Preach!!!
My God.
This is powerful, will require a lot of listening to again. Simply in order to digest just how important, even prophetic this is.
Magnificent Doug . God Bless and keep you. Love from Britain. This is a global call, may God bring this into our sermons fast.
A voice of one crying in the wilderness.
Thank you Pastor for your boldness and courage, seasoned with grace.
Your example goes a long way
Another spot-on summery of the Word on this subject from Doug Wilson. This man and others like him are a blessing from God.
William Wilberforce was able to do what he did in Parliament because many others WERE out there preaching the gospel.
I don't know anyone else who could causally fit in the phrase "Gospel Banger". Well done sir.
Doug. This is one of your best video/sermons. It strike directly at the heart of the matter: true repentance and faith.
I love you American brothers and sisters, and truly i say this. Im from New Zealand and we are also facing the same issues, and it breaks my heart but i get strength from Dough and other Christians. It's a problem in all western countries, that need to return to godlyness. Do you mind if we can have Doug and other such preachers come and spend their days in nz? 😁🙏 Love you my brother's and sisters.
I pray for America
Christian Nationalisms!
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Love you, too. Thanks for praying for us. Praying for NZ.🙏
Well said 👍
A dose of humility. Thank you. I needed that more than I knew. Lord in Heaven please grant me repentance.
When your “Designated Dutch Uncle” throws out the term “banger”. You can drive me home anytime uncle. 😂
You nailed it brother Doug!
Wow… thank you from Breaux Bridge, Louisiana!
True revivals originate in mass repentance, shy of that we are looking at a prolonged period of what we see now and the resultant fallout
While it may be fine to use the prodigal son parable as an analogy for America, it would also be a good thing for the church to know what the parable's intended message actually is.
The song of Moses prophecy in Deut 32 whereby Isreal was to be made angry and jealous by a foolish nation was nearing its fulfillment and so, Jesus reiterated the prophecy in a parable.
The older brother or "firstborn" son is Israel. The younger brother is Gentiles or "sinners" who get saved, like in acts 13. Gentiles get saved, and Jews become angry and jealous.
Remember, Jesus was prompted to tell those five parable, which collectively tell a story, because the elders were upset that Jesus was "accepting sinners".
You want to make America a "Christian nation" (which it never was)? Start in your own churches. The states that have the heaviest populations of "Evangelical Christians" and "Conservative Christians", etc are the the same states that lead the nation in divorce, abortion, infant mortality, maternal mortality, violent crime, poverty, and teen pregnancy (this is the short list of moral failures). This has been the reality for nearly 5 decades. There is nothing more hypocritical than a Christian T***p supporter. When you get done with your churches, then talk to the rest of us. Like Jesus said "Take the log from your own eye, before you take the speck from your brother's."
This entire post seems to be a version of you popping in to the argument I was having on the past weeks' Tuesday message board.
Spot on.
You sure do that have some good messages it's so refreshing takes a person's mind off politics and put it where it's supposed to be on God
@@larry7781 Everything about "Christian Nationalism" is politics in theological garb.
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Its both at the same time. That's kind of the point by definition? It isn't hidden whatsoever. Its overt.
If you don't have the honesty within you to discuss the topic, don't discuss the topic.
@@JD-xz1mx You said: "Its both at the same time. That's kind of the point by definition? It isn't hidden whatsoever. Its overt." Fair enough. The political aspirations are overt. I Stand corrected.
Thank you Brother Doug. Amen. So be it.
Amen brother Wilson!
well said sir. Well said.
Your best that I've heard.
Excellent message here thanks Pastor Wilson
We as Christians do not fight the battles from our barracks. But, from our tents pitched nearest the battlefield. Our work is painful occupation. Enduring til the end, til He Comes.
What are you talking about? What battle is being fought exactly?
Excellent corrections, rebukes and encouragements...the Godly glorious opportunity to recognize His hand for merciful and unifying civilization purposes. We repent, and believe..for trusting to wide roads and secularism's false ways these passing generations... Every high place, every ideology set against the knowledge of God.
You want to make America a "Christian nation" (which it never was)? Start in your own churches. The states that have the heaviest populations of "Evangelical Christians" and "Conservative Christians", etc are the the same states that lead the nation in divorce, abortion, infant mortality, maternal mortality, violent crime, poverty, and teen pregnancy (this is the short list of moral failures). This has been the reality for nearly 5 decades. There is nothing more hypocritical than a Christian T***p supporter. When you get done with your churches, then talk to the rest of us. Like Jesus said "Take the log from your own eye, before you take the speck from your brother's."
T***p is the most corrupt, most incompetent, most criminal, most decadent, most anti-Constitutional US president ever. He has lived his entire pathetic excuse of a life in explicit contradiction of at least 8 of the 10 commandments
Thank you.
Best mablog in a while..
Hallelujah praise Jesus for this message of repentance. May God have mercy on our souls
I want to speak as factual as you are speaking now. Sometimes I feel jealous over your ability to speak as plain as you do but after some time I repent as I know you are being obedient to the Holy Spirit and the words are from our Fathers words. I’m learning every day and I thank you for reminding me of my spiritual obedience that God expects of me/us.
Forever in His service
Thank God for Doug. Get'em, brother.
Oh, Holy Father, we pray that you would grant the people of America repentance and the gift of saving faith.
This is much more wide spread than America, more need to speak out and spread the message as pastor Doug..
I recently returned from a trip to the Democratic Republic of the Congo. For me (and the others that were with me), it was far easier to talk about Christian nations there than here in the US. And yes, even among Christians.
Pitiful.
America was a majority Christian nation, but it was NOT a Christian Nation - ever. Most Africans were Christian but they were clearly not part of the American identity. Most Native Americans became Christian but were not considered Americans. The identity of the United States was based on Race not religion which is why an Atheist White man had more rights than a devout Black man. When slavery was on going in the Med. Sea Christian countries like Spain forbade the sale of Christian slaves. The United States forbade the sale of White slaves. Race, not religion was the identity.
Electing Trump could slow down some of our descent, but we need the Christian Church to restore our constitutional republic. More pastors like Rev. Wilson would help.
T***p is the most corrupt, most incompetent, most criminal, most decadent, most anti-Constitutional US president ever. He has lived his entire pathetic excuse of a life in explicit contradiction of at least 8 of the 10 commandments. And you want him back? PFFFF!!
Electing a rapist traitor isn’t very Christian.
Wilson dunks on "Trump worshippers" - I support Trump not because I view him as the 2nd Coming of Jesus - but because he's fighting against our common opponents
Yes, we need Nebuchadnezzar more than the emasculated Christian leaders too civil for a fight.
Nothing is going to restore the "U.S. Constructional Republic." It's dead, and has been dead for quite some time.
🤣I love your intros.👍
Oh hey Uncle November. 😊
Pure concentrated “gravy” (as my son calls truth speaking)
Your son wouldn't happen to be a bear. If he is, he'd know Doug is a boomer who doesn't understand what makes a nation.
Amen!
The pre-intro is priceless sir. A little standup-comic side never hurt.
But it is wrong. Right off the bat we have a problem. America was a majority Christian nation, but it was not a Christian Nation. Most Africans were Christian but they were clearly not part of the American identity. Most Native Americans became Christian but were not considered Americans. The identity of the United States was based on Race not religion which is why an Atheist White man had more rights than a devout Black man. When slavery was on going in the Med. Sea Christian countries like Spain forbade the sale of Christian slaves. The United States forbade the sale of White slaves. Race, not religion was the identity
@@user-cz9jj2em2v You may not be willing to admit this, but people aren’t going to change their entire view of American history based upon the comments they read on a RUclips video. Nevertheless we’ve all seen the turn towards an obsession with race in American classrooms as a trope to explain everything; you’ve been taught poorly, and are arguing on behalf of an inaccurate view that reflects the anti-white agenda of your teachers.
November starting early this year I see. ❤
Fire!
“I had motives for not wanting the world to have a meaning; and consequently assumed that it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption. The philosopher who finds no meaning in the world is not concerned exclusively with a problem in pure metaphysics. He is also concerned to prove that there is no valid reason why he personally should not do as he wants to do. For myself, as no doubt for most of my friends, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation from a certain system of morality. We objected to the morality because it interfered with our sexual freedom. The supporters of this system claimed that it embodied the meaning - the Christian meaning, they insisted - of the world. There was one admirably simple method of confuting these people and justifying ourselves in our erotic revolt: we would deny that the world had any meaning whatever.” - Aldous Huxley, Ends and Means
November has come early this year!
I always say that the Civil War wasn’t just the end of cattle slavery for blacks but also the beginning of secular debt slavery for everyone.
Doug is like Naval Artillery preparing a beach. As true and invariant as the mechanics of ballistics. Scripture = based.
Niiiice.
T***p is the most corrupt, most incompetent, most criminal, most decadent, most anti-Constitutional US president ever. He has lived his entire pathetic excuse of a life in explicit contradiction of at least 8 of the 10 commandments. And you want him back? PFFFF!!
Great message.
Sniff sniff….Mmmmm, smells like November, my favorite.
Amen
I can't wait for November when Doug stops pulling punches. ;)
The nay sayers in the comment section want us to believe in the Bible as long as we don't actually present it as the standard by which all men should live, including our leaders.
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Is it an appropriate standard though? What does the bible say about people from Crete, for example? Is a belief that people from Crete are gluttonous lazy liars part of “the standard by which all men should live”?
@aallen5256 Are you from Crete by chance? Just asking.
@@Guy-xr8lj no, I’m not. Now, for clarity, you think “the standard by which all men should live” includes a blanket indictment of the people of Crete??
Yes, don't he like them. That's what it says. When Biden says we need to pass legislation to declare war on climate change, do you literally assume that the army is going to start shooting at hurricanes? That the logic of your argument.
Amen! Glory to God!
Doug, I would love to hear a sermon from you on this text: "Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever? Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said, 'I WILL DWELL IN THEM AND WALK AMONG THEM; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. Therefore, COME OUT FROM THEIR MIDST AND BE SEPARATE, ' says the Lord. 'AND DO NOT TOUCH WHAT IS UNCLEAN; And I will welcome you. And I will be a father to you, And you shall be sons and daughters to Me,' Says the Lord Almighty."
Wish granted: m.ruclips.net/video/BiQAoAExj6E/видео.html
What passage is this?
@arcanum3882 - 2 Cor. 6:14-18
Scripture interprets Scripture and the context is key:
2 Cor 5:16-21
"From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
2 Cor 6:1-13
Working together with him, then, we appeal to you not to receive the grace of God in vain. For he says,
“In a favorable time I listened to you,
and in a day of salvation I have helped you.”
Behold, now is the favorable time; behold, now is the day of salvation. We put no obstacle in anyone's way, so that no fault may be found with our ministry, but as servants of God we commend ourselves in every way: by great endurance, in afflictions, hardships, calamities, beatings, imprisonments, riots, labors, sleepless nights, hunger; by purity, knowledge, patience, kindness, the Holy Spirit, genuine love; by truthful speech, and the power of God; with the weapons of righteousness for the right hand and for the left; through honor and dishonor, through slander and praise. We are treated as impostors, and yet are true; as unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and behold, we live; as punished, and yet not killed; as sorrowful, yet always rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, yet possessing everything.
We have spoken freely to you, Corinthians; our heart is wide open. You are not restricted by us, but you are restricted in your own affections. In return (I speak as to children) widen your hearts also."
The Corinthians were being rebuked for compromise (being yoked) with false teachers who "boast about outward appearance and not about what is in the heart." (More detail in Chapters 10-12).
"Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ,"
Also note that when you don't compromise while delivering the message of reconciliation to the entirety of the World the rulers, authorities, and society respond with "beatings, imprisonments, riots".
Being an ambassador for the reconciliation of Christ applies to the whole world, including "all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities".
Colossians 1
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross."
The command to Adam and repeated to Noah to “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” was never revoked and is now possible through Christ's ministry of reconciliation where he is "making all things new" (Revelation 21:5) using a "chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light." (1 Peter 2:9)
@@umaikakudo Drawing from your additional scriptures: "Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God." Please define the ambassadorial role. Is it anything beyond preaching the gospel of reconciliation? BTW, what role does an ambassador have in a kingdom not his own? If this world is Christ's kingdom, why is an ambassador necessary?
Stinking good.
The trouble with this approach to "America is/was a Christian nation" is that the same type of arguments prove that the Council of Trent, the modern Lord's Resistance Army, MLK's civil rights movement, and the Borgias, etc. etc. were/are "Christian" as well. Citing Deuteronomy and referring to the "supreme creator" are wonderful.... or perhaps not. Perhaps it is duplicitous rhetoric. Was MLK's movement really what Isaiah saw when the Messiah returned to Zion? Or maybe Trent got it right, "for the increase and exaltation of the Christian faith"? Hopefully the point is clear: answering the question, "Is America a Christian nation?" using this strategy arrives at a meaningless "Yes, what else could it be?" But historically and constructively this gets us nowhere. How do we make it a nation that is truly under the Lordship of Christ? I, for one, don't believe any of our founding documents give us a way forward... but I'm open to the possibility.
As always, love that the blog provokes constructive thought. Keep carrying the fire.
Tour de force, the November pre prep.
Powerful truth!
Don't like having the LGBT agenda shoved down your throat? I have an idea, let's make our religion the law of the land. Who cares if Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world, we have divine gnosis, we know better than Jesus.
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Pietism strikes again.
@@asahelnettleton9044 Ah ad hominem, nice one.
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If the shoe fits...
@asahelnettleton9044 Does it fit, or are you making assumptions? Adhominem is a fallacy BTW.
Should I strike back, and call you a collectivist? or should I ask why you think this nation should deviate from its roots and embrace theonomy?
There is a fourth option, like our forefathers before us, go to a new land of opportunity.
I would disagree that despising the inheritance [love and salvation] is what is principal. Rather, breaking relations with the Father and basically saying ‘you are dead to me’ is the crime of the son. We all squander the good graces God gives us and may He have mercy on us for doing so.
@@Boyhowdy875we all do by sinning.
There's more ways than one to despise inheritance, which is far more than love and salvation, mind you. There is eternal reward for what we do. When he returns, he is not given more inheritance. The loss remains lost.
@@Boyhowdy875 sure, lying, selfishness, greed, envy, laziness, to name a few...
@@fatalheart7382 Not sure I’m following you…..’there are more ways to despise inheritance’?? Are you saying there’s more ways to sin or there’s more to inheritance than love and salvation?
@@Boyhowdy875You’re profile picture is a gym selfie, your name is “I’m right” and you’re offended that anyone would assume you have committed sin. My friend, I think you should honestly ask yourself whether you are suffering from the sin of pride. It is okay to be honest and admit to sin, Christ will help you the entire way.
Hear! Hear! Yes, and Amen! We may be the greatest gaggle of ingrates and prodigal rebels since the Prodigal himself.We (Christians) keep asking God to forgive us and return our nation to the one (some of us) miss and want back. But what we (Christians) are NOT doing is repenting (i.e. actually leaving the pigpen and falling before the Father in brokenness and REPENTANCE). Unless we repent, we should not be expecting forgiveness. And what we Christians should repent of first is calling any and every hard issue a "Political" issue so we are freed to continue ignoring it while we keep asking God to restore our nation and thus maintaining our image as super-spiritual Christians who are above "politics" like the murder of children, the practice of sodomy, mutilation of the bodies of children and adults alike, the blatant practice of bearing false witness so as to appease the hoards of racist haters, and writing run-on sentences! 🙂May God's Spirit somehow get through our empty heads and into our hardened hearts and CONVICT us of carrying the water for the demons who are running our world, our nation, and many of our churches.
Hot gospel. Burning the hearts of men.
Preaching to the bubble.
@@RecalledtoLife I call them the "Sheltered enclave".
Well done, Uncle
I'm a young earth creationist with 4 bachelors, a doctorate and a technical equipment of a master, all in different STEM fields. Microevolution can explain the heart rate of a hummingbird. No evolutinary theory can explain a feather.
Let me see if i got this right. Are you saying "Science cannot explain the feather. Therefore, God did it."? You say you have 4 bachelors and a doctorate. Do you recognize "Ad ignoratum"?
@@manager0175 Do you understand "irreducible complexity"? As to ad ignoratum, do you understand ad hominem?
@@JRRodriguez-nu7po Yes i do. Do you understand that what was "irreducibly complex" 100 years ago is no longer so? That notion is nothing more than ad ignoratum in fancier language. Francis Collins debunked that in The Language of God (the book and the Vertas video on youtube of the same name.).
There’s a book you must have missed - The Evolution of Feathers: From Their Origin to the Present. It presents really comprehensive peer-reviewed analysis by palaeontologists and biologists on exactly the origin and evolutionary path of the feather.
@@manager0175 Uh huh, continue as you wish. You get the penultimate word.
Changed the framing hammer for a war hammer😎🤙🤙
Hey Doug- In my opinion this is one of your best in content, I was wishing you were a slower reader so I could enjoy your prose and your ideas more.
You can read this at your own pace on his blog if you'd like.
Back when we cared more about what God thought about us, then what other Countries thought about us.
You said: "Back when we cared more about what God thought about us, then what other Countries thought about us". When was that?
There was never really a time where this country really cared about God's position on a matter. Even in the late 19th century, ppl operated under the premise that they could live however they want with no consequences. That's what lead to the moral decent that essentially started around WW1 and 2.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 When were people more "moral" or "less decadent" than today?
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 IMHO WWI was the most destructive, brutal and barbaric war in human history. Your comments lends itself to the same conclusion.
Bam
Pastor put away the big guns in exchange for a strategy of naval bombardment, complemented with tatical airstrikes.
The Church and the State both are ordained by God and His Word the Bible. If the Salt and Light of this world refuse to take on Government then the Children of the Devil will be happy to oblige. Can you say 501c3 Corporations?
"... for failing to understand Romans 11." Why I oughta.
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Can you point to when between 1892 and 1973 this all came apart? How in one lifetime did so many things go so horribly wrong?
It's not as though it all happened in a moment. I'd argue much of the groundwork for our current woes was done throughout the 19th century and the rotten fruits of that vineyard were born throughout the 20th century. We're living in the ashes now.
Horribly wrong? I suppose it’s all a matter of perspective. Maybe people came to their senses that fictional fairy tales need not apply to practical laws that govern society. Maybe people despise the idea of Christian sharia in America. Maybe america is a land of many beliefs and backgrounds where shoving your beliefs on another is egregious.
I would highly recommend the book by Francis Schaffer “How Should We Then Live?” It’s a deep dive but a hyper simplistic answer is when the Reformation in the north and the Enlightenment in the south diverged
@@davidr2299 DWDS on full display 🤡
@@coltonm9278yup!! 100%
I am sorry that I have trouble understanding philosophical psycobable, but did you say that the country is being destroyed and it's our fault ?...forgive me but I have 70 years of fluoride watering down my brain so that's a concept I fail to grasp ? Please correct me if I'm wrong...
Oof. This issue cannot be tackled in 30 minutes despite the brilliantly delivered monologue.
Society is how we organize our lives, and politics is the mechanism to decide how society is run and who should run it.
Non-christians fear the rise of Christian nationalism just as Christians feel increasingly left out (to put it mildly) of a woke liberal nationalism. Now they're afraid of what will happen to them when the pendulum swings the other way. The very thought that history may not proceed like an arrow but turns around like a boomerang secretly terrifies them. 😄
If a naturalized immigrant is a true "american" then is he expected to assimilate quietly or is he expected to have a say in how the society he is now a part of should be run? It's a fundamental question that is not-so-clearly defined by right vs left. In fact, I think many right-wing conservatives lean towards participation over assimilation. At least that's considered the politically-correct position.🎉
P.S. For the record, I think participation makes no sense. If by 'participation' immigrants want to re-shape american society to their image, well, sponsor them a return home ticket. Easy!
It would appear that much of this needs to go deeper and be kept in a stricter context
It’s true that many people in the early United States did consider themselves Christians. But so do Jehovah’s Witnesses and latter-day, Saints, etc.. They also pray and read the Bible but this doesn’t make them Christian.
When we look at the US Constitution, the top law of the land that defines our government, we don’t even see the word God mentioned anywhere. Furthermore, what we do see, is not that the most high God and his law are supreme, but that we the people define justice.
Even as Governor Morris noted that it wasn’t really God’s business
Also, there is mention of a covenant or breaking a covenant in this video. I don’t know of any covenant that the United States made with god, especially considering the US constitution as opposed to it.
Also, consider how many slave masters claimed to be Christian and how many Christians did nothing
How many Christians we’re kicked out of churches for preaching that we should love our brothers.
There is no reason to assume that just because wicked people use the name Christian and follow certain rituals that it makes them a Christian
Be ever hearing, but never understanding
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A covenant is an agreement between two parties acknowledged by both. Like Gods covenant with Israel. If someone can show me one shred of evidence that God had a covenant with America at any point in time I might be able to take this a little more seriously. As it stands this looks to be more about Christian’s building their own kingdom than waiting on Gods.
I know the line "you don't want Baptists to be flogged for MISUNDERSTANDING Romans 11, neither do I" line was meant a "serious joke" to gain the trust of timid Baptists in joining the fight for theonomy. But being a Baptist who has been trying to use Doug Wilson to convince other Baptists of joining the fight, I can assure 4 things:
1) 97% of Baptists don't know enough theology, much less about the difference between Baptist and Presbyterian beliefs about the nature of the new covenant, to even get the reference.
2) 1% of those that do are likely to be so upset about being mocked that they tune out whatever else he said before or after.
3) another 1% won't take offense but still don't want to join the fight. Not so much in fear that Doug's wishes for Baptists to not be flogged aren't granted under theonomy (though the fear is often present), but because theonomy "isn't nice" or "is opposed to the gospel".
4) the remaining 1% (I among them) will keep on listening to you or men like you, even though it makes us the black sheep of the Baptist culture.
Where are you getting your "statistics". You live in a dream world if you think that Baptists get upset or live in fear of Doug's mockery. What some of us object to is his cart before the horse theonomy. Even in this podcast he yammers on and on about Christian nationalism, while throwing out anathemas at "pietistic" preachers. Then at the very end he finally gets around to the gospel. That's a huge problem for me and other Baptists. But hey, you're in the 1% of the "good" Baptists. So have at it.
I'm also in the 4th category of Baptists, and I sadly have to agree. The above comment seems to fall into the third category.
(Edit - just realized the comment above mine is not visible under normal circumstances).
@@asahelnettleton9044 Just because I do not agree with Doug's flawed political Christian Nationalism agenda does not mean I am in the 3rd category. I am neither nice nor afraid. You and the other one percenters of the 4th category can jump on his political bandwagon if you want. For many Baptists, the gospel proclamation comes FIRST. Prayer comes FIRST. The regeneration of sinners by the power of the Spirit and Word comes FIRST. That really doesn't seem to be the game plan for the Theonomists. So many of the CP podcasts are devoted to political kvetching or desperately dragging up people like George Gilder. It really is sad to see.
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Out of curiosity, what kind of Baptist are you, more specifically?
How will a generation repent if God does not quicken that repentance? They cannot repent without God’s help, and God doesn’t owe us the willing heart to repent, nor the opportunity. Are we preaching to a generation that is chosen for destruction? It’s fine, and the Gospel is both hope for the believer and doom for the unbeliever, but maybe this is a Jeremiah 7:16 situation.
11:00 Who is this "YOU" Doug keep referring to?
11:59 This bit about the drug addict does not make sense. What's the point of that little illustration?
How dare you suggest that a hummingbird 's heart rate isn't a complete cosmic accident...how dare you!
Just for clarity, is bone cancer in children a complete cosmic accident? Or nipples on men? Or the appendix?
@@aallen5256 The "God of the gaps" fallacy has no end.
I loved this but the “resurgence of antisem” line was very boomer. No Doug, we don’t hate anyone, a lot of us are just questioning how a religion which claims to follow the Father can be so blasphemous of the Son. Try again without calling us evil or heretics.
Who is “us” in this context??
Agreed. All of the societal and political ills that Doug complains about were initiated by the rejecters of Christ whom Paul called "the enemies of the gospel" and "contrary to all men," even as they are "beloved on account of the patriarchs." It's a very Boomer thing to completely write off anti-Christian Jews as a problem worth discussing.
If Christians are to properly love their enemies, then they must first acknowledge precisely WHO those enemies are, and actually grasp WHY our Christian nations, especially Europeans, are being viciously and methodically targeted by such enemies.
Dr. E. Michael Jones and his works, "The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit" and "Libido Dominande" are good starting points from a traditional Catholic perspective. The "Stone Choir" podcast by Lutheran lay scholars also provides a good history on the conflict between Christian civilizations and antichrist Jews over the centuries, although their conclusions are more right wing and most modern Christians would go, as the pair seem to be Christian monarchists.
Regardless of these differences among Christians, if we are to return to being a more sanctified Christian Republic in keeping with our American heritage roots (and in keeping with the great commission, which requires discipleship of nations into obedience to God), then a serious tempering of the antichrist Jewish revolutionaries is required, either spiritually or politically or both. This viciously anti-Christian vector cannot be ignored, no matter how much these brainwashed Boomers viscerally recoil and protest in keeping with their lifelong programming.
@@aallen5256 ur brothers in Christ or are u willing to anathematise Luther for much stronger critiques?
@@Adj528 for fascists full of fear and confusion??
@@aallen5256 It’s not fascist to oppose texts that say Jesus is in hell neck deep in boiling excrement (read Gittin 57a of the Talmud). I’m ok being reviled and name-called for Christ’s sake are you? God bless you.
Amen not with most evangelicals are preaching.
Mostly agree, 10:22 since I also want the raw milk 🥛 to return 😋
Just like Constantine!
Merging Church and State is like mixing the Fallen with Men.
Instead of going post Augustine or Constantine.. why not go back to what the real Church taught as per Galatians 1:8?
Yes!
The central problem is the hermeneutics of Covenant theology which are flawed. ALL previous covenants are fulfilled, as null and void as a fulfilled mortgage and of no binding after the resurrection. Nation building was the dispensation under the Mosaic and then Davidic covenants; it is NOT for us today. That is the central message of Galatians and Hebrews. BTW I am NOT a classical dispensationalist because at some FUTURE day, all peoples will be one in Christ. That day is NOT today, else there's be no difference betwixt male and female and women ought then to preach.
See this!!! This!!! Leave aside the Wolfe boys and their separatist longings. This is the message that we need.
Right off the bat we have a problem. America was a majority Christian nation, but it was not a Christian Nation. Most Africans were Christian but they were clearly *not* part of the American identity. Most Native Americans became Christian but were not considered Americans. The identity of the United States was based on Race not religion which is why an Atheist White man had more rights than a devout Black man. When slavery was on going in the Med. Sea Christian countries like Spain forbade the sale of Christian slaves. The United States forbade the sale of White slaves. Race, not religion was the identity.
The Christian Taliban.
Here is what the Doug Wilsons of the world don't get Christianity at gunpoint is no Christianity at all.
Jeremiah ch.31:33,34ASV"But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith JEHOVAH: I will put my law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people: 34and they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know JEHOVAH; for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith JEHOVAH: for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more." Anything less than this is utterly beneath JEHOVAH. Keep your republic ,JEHOVAH has no use for it.
Amen 🙏🏼
According the SBC and others the projected by 2015 63% of their youth would leave the faith by 23. The real number was more like 73%. I have sat in church after church conservative and fundamentalist in rural Texas. With the exception of a single OPC in DFW, that was relatively small, most will not be there by 2030s. The youngest people in the rest were in their late 50s. Most 65+. I am sure there will be some megachurches etc around. And some more traditional eastern orthodox and Conservative Anglican seem to have robust demographics.
You are planning some sort of cultural Christendom which is problematic in it's own ways. Many Protestant churches including many PCA ones will be gone by this time in the 2030s. You are a justice away from Roe v. Wade to be reinstated. This is optimism to the point of delusion. I am not a dispensationalist. There a ton of issues all three main branches of Christianity within the west that prevent anything like this at this time. You cannot lose 66-75% of the next generation that you have. That group is way smaller than 30 years ago and expect any sort of power political or otherwise. My concern is many of those youths will just become authoritarian leftists.
I want a Christian Bonaparte.
Enjoy your time on the island of Elba. 🙂
The prodigal son squandered his inheritance. He did not lose his family or his father, but he no longer owned anything in his Father's house. People skip over it because they want to feel good. Whatever. Sin is sin.
Did the Father also give the prodigal a rig, coat, and sandals? Let’s not skip over that as well
@@BibleStudywithVernon I'm just saying, "They turn the grace of our Lord into a license for immorality ... Blackest darkness is reserved for them forever."
Didn't the prodigal son ask for and get his share of the inheritance?
@@RecalledtoLife Yes. That's why he wasn't given more. He squandered his share. The oldest son is told by his father, "Everything I have is yours." It's because the rest belonged to him. Just because his brother came back, doesn't mean he was given half the faithful son's share again. That would be injustice.
You're stretching the parable beyond its intention. Dangerous territory that.
DW? Jump on😅
If you had to choose between anime nazis and liberalism what would you choose
Burger King and Doug
This guy loves pop culture and politics
" This guy" loves Jesus. And he loves you enough to tell you the truth.
@@YSLRD Doug loves politics. You can't deny that.
@@YSLRD He loves Jesus as a means to sell books and websites.
I guess my question would have to be....where does Christ tell His disciples that they should have dominion over others, or that non-believers should be coerced into living according to "biblical' standards? The Greatest Commandment tells us to love God with all our hearts, minds, and souls...but ALSO to love our neighbor as ourselves. Christ says nothing to suggest that we are only to love our Christian neighbors as ourselves, but rather everyone. If you seek to limit or take away the rights of people who you dislike, or to control them through force, which is the ultimate goal of "christian" nationalism, that is hating your neighbor, not loving them.
It is also another form of bearing false witness.
A return to the public covenant with God, should start at the church of the one asking for ot outside his own church. Before the 1960s, for 2k years, even the most heretical church understood the clear command that women should put on something on their head and this was tied to first 3 vhapters of Genesis. This is not cultural, and until Doug Wilson makes women in his own church wear a head covering; I'm not impressed.
Again, the earth is less than 10k old and Darwinism is s scam BUT the heart rate of a hummingbird can be explained after the bird kind was directly created evolved.
If America was created as a totalitarian theocracy, why did we create a constitution at all? Why didn't we just say "serve the blood god Christ or die"? Obviously, we created a constitution that says "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". This just a fact. The constitution states in the first amendment that congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. Therefore, you are wrong. Sorry, it is just a fact. The constitution doesn't say "be a christian or else".
You're in out of your depth. The constitution was only a small part of the founding of America. The very nature of the people was such that they fostered a Christian nation. Additionally that specific wording in the constitution was targeted at the King of England. The Puritans and other Religious groups had such a strong culture of Christianity it was how they lived. (ie it didn't need to be written.)
"The constitution is the Bible of the US government" is a meme made up by boomers who wanted to worship secular men instead of God.
@@Roescoe Thomas Jefferson wrote in a letter to the Danbury Baptist church what the establishment clause meant. I explained that it was intended to create a "wall of separation between church and state". If a theocracy was the intent of the founding fathers so much that they didn't even bother to write it, why did they bother writing a constitution? Why didn't they just say "the Bible is the law of the land"? I'm sorry, but what you are saying doesn't match up at all to history. Keep in mind, many of the founding fathers were deists.
As for the nature of the people, the nature of the people was that they allowed slavery and committed genocide against the native people. Clearly, if we followed the nature of the founding fathers, we'd bring back slavery. We don't do that. We fallow the founding documents like the constitution and the constitution states that congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. It doesn't say well, if you aren't the king of England you are welcome to create laws respecting an establishment of religion. No one, not you, not the king of England, not christians, not other groups are allowed to create laws respecting an establishment of religion.
I'm sure you have read lots of books by people who want the US to become a theocracy. I'm sure you've read lots of books by people with an agenda of enforcing their religion on everyone else. I doubt you've read much by people who aren't willing to ignore facts when they don't line up with their agenda.
@@TrakeM118 "Keep in mind, many of the founding fathers were deists." To be specific they were Masons. The Founding Fathers were not like the American people.
" if we followed the nature of the founding fathers, we'd bring back slavery." the industrial revolution slid into corporate america, slavery is still alive and well in America, in fact in many ways it's worse now.
"the nature of the people was that they allowed slavery and committed genocide against the native people" They commit much more genocide today with abortion. At least in war the adults fight back.
"I'm sure you have read lots of books by people who want the US to become a theocracy. I'm sure you've read lots of books by people with an agenda of enforcing their religion on everyone else...." You know that the laws of a country are the agenda of the country. In fact there are still blasphemy laws on the books no one follows. To be a nation you must enforce a morality.
That's all history, the choice is yours today who you will serve. The globalist empire of lies, or some religious sect. As the empire collapses you actually have much more of a choice, so choose wisely who you will serve.
Participation makes no sense. If by 'participation' immigrants want to re-shape american society to their image, well, sponsor them a return home ticket. Easy!
We have to have a president. I challenge you, sir, to find a better one in the offerings than Trump. Do it honestly and you'll figure out why so many support Trump.
T***p left office with less jobs than when he came in (first time since Hoover). T***p is the first president (since Hoover) to lose the House, the Senate, and The White house in 4 years. T***p was impeached twice ( a record), lost the popular vote twice (another record), increased the national debt by $8 trillion (yet another record), and committed more crimes than any other US president. T***p has called for the dissolution of Constitutional articles, and on live TV said he wanted to "take guns away without due process". There is no one worse for the US than T***p.
@@manager0175 Meh, he made the working white man stand up. He's more a symbol than the action man. The empire is collapsing regardless of Trump.
@@Roescoe Every GOP president since Teddy Roosevelt has had at least 1 recession. 4 GOP presidents had 2 recessions. Ike had 3 recessions. 10 of the last 11 recessions occurred when a GOP was in the presidency. Nothing has caused the "collapse of the empire" more than GOP economic policies.
@@manager0175 You think the GOP is a separate entity from the Democrats? HAHAHAHA the uniparty has been in power for a long time.
Who is the “we?” When was the American “covenant?” Who are all these “ Christians” you refer to as representative of the laxity? Is this a PsyOp for the shallow, or another Simonistic brand pump?
UH OH! JAMES LINDSAY AND MIKE O'FALLON IMMEDIATELY ACCEPTED THE CHALLENGE!!!!! You done been CALLED out, Pastor Doug! In all seriousness, it seems like O'Fallon (at least) and Doug are talking past each other and need to have a nice, Christian Zoom call - both have points to make (on Mike's side, namely why we started hearing "Christian Nationalism" when Dominionism and Theonomy served as descriptors for decades; it is a made-up term by desperate state operatives having a hard time generating white nationalists).
The presuppositions in this are flawed.
what are your presuppositions?
Bro you lost me AND Lewis with your needlessly haughty disparaging of raw milk.
SMH.