Well you can say that about many countries and governments around the world, nature often comes last and humans & economy comes first. But much will naturally change in the future.
@@edwardzhang3855 Bro I came to United States in 1979 from Communist Ukraine.. And even I know that the whole United States was not founded by slavery. But then again I know where you're coming from Americans have a delusion of history.. They actually think they won World War II...🤣
I know it has become a trend to hate China but the amount of trees China has planted and re-forestation process done in deserted area is huge. Just search from great green wall of China. Reporting on incidents of illegal de-forestation is alright but not even mentioning the bigger details which can turn the whole piece around is just wrong. At least give the the complete information and let the views decide for themselves rather than giving out half truth to drive your narrative.
in 2019 80% or 90% of global new tree planted was in china. again 90% of the world population has no idea what scale china at. just like before ww2 nobody know what US is capable of.
@blackapple89er thats true.. but chinas coverup of the initial outbreak resulted in a much worst outcome for rest of the world... quick response is key hence why bird flu and swine flue didnt kill as many people you knuckle head
@blackapple89er @blackapple89er Listen im originally from iran... Dont mistake usa patience for lack of will or fear..., Iran kept supplying terrorists in iraq and around the world via General Soleimani..., USA stood back and and tried to be diplomatic.. reasonable, not escilate anything for a better long term goal..., however once soleimani overstepped his boundary and threatened trump he was blown out this world via drones. No one thought america would even strike top leader military leader of IRAN in fear of revenge attacks against israel or other us allies. But when push comes to shove USA will put the correct countries in their place. This is why they are pulling out of Afghanistan, they are preparing. Now as a iranian who lived through the gulf war and under saddams bombing against us im telling you the whole us policy in middle east is not about dealing with radical islamist.. its to control oil supplies for themselves and allies in a war against communist Russia and China. Maybe when you realised how the world really works you can have a decent conversations. And they may not have worried about swine flue.., cause it didnt spread and affect multiple countries.., and china didnt use it as advantage to build military bases in disputed ocean (disputed by U.N.) Now corona virus however had cover up from day 1 and china even arrested its own medical people... so you can wait and see what happens.
western wine Industries will be just fine, california can't grow burgundy and oregon, can't grow australian shiraz, china will have to find what works for them, thats the neat part about the wine industry unlike many others you can't duplicate the terroir of another area, so china's success will require them to develop their own style, if and when they do competition between the industries will be minimal at most. I'd like to see china try to recreate a cold climate pinot noir!
@@user-hp1jw9tg3l yes, but China producing will feed its own domestic needs which might mean less market share of french, italian, etc, etc wines in China.. Australian wine industry already suffered a lot due to the tarifs and also had a tough time finding alternatives. Overall we have overproduction of wine and declining consumption in the developed wine drinking nation. Chinese are very creative people and probably they could make pinot. I have tried some Bordeaux styles Chinese wine and were very well made.
It has been the West way or die. What choice do the rest of the world have but to survive. Rest of the world now is surviving and the West does not like the rules they always played in the past. The West became great due to the fact that they tried to eliminate the people and pillaged all treasures from most corners of the world and they are not satisfied because other countries are not yet fully destroyed. Just look at England, they wanted to keep foreigners out but they are complaining they don't have worker to do slave jobs with slave pay.
What we hope is not to replace Eu products, is to give those people who live in those areas jobs that are clean and give them a better life. Europeans probably will still have the best wine in the world and Chinese market is clearly big enough for EU and local products to prosper
of course, it also increases carbon dioxide levels.. thats just science.., has nothing to do with nationality, its just the case where there is a larger population.
@@tkw3864 yes im not disagreeing.. but china and india have the biggest populations yet they are not the cleanest energy users... china and india use alot of coal power plants..., so their breathing is least of our problems.
Third biggest area under vine but most of it is used for table grapes. Iran also have loots of hectares and Turkey, however they only make table grapes and raisins. I have already tried a wine from ninxia and was pretty damn good. Prices however are very high, as conditions are hard. They need to bury the vines during the winter time, otherwise vines will die due to low temperatures. Costs of production are very high.
Been to ningxa in 2011 , touring forestation site to prevent desertification... I think to see the wine yard there in this video is just amazing. I remember been stuck for days due to sand storm , mostly very arid landscape. The fact wineyard are existing is already a proof of the dedication to improve environment there.
Ningxa is actually quite from province of uyghur... another topic. But yeah the cpp has been addressing the problem for the simple reason than the desertification I moving towards Beijing, threatening the capital. They don't do because they love nature, just based on survival instinct.
Well done! Expand wine output productions. Because it is a wine and could not be classified as National Security Threats and now people classified it as an environmental issue.
You know…there are other better areas in China producing better quality of wine. Dunno why Vice only focused on reporting Ningxia. The climate there sucks, lack of the necessary rainfall.
@blackapple89er I mean, it's not a double standard, pollutants from those events are scarce don't effect vineyards today. Compared to Ningxia today it was never bad. The region has had major pollution scandals for awhile now.
One day, should your country reaches a position that threatens US, you can be sure there will be a mountain of propaganda to prevent it from developing further too.
@@harukrentz435 Eh.. most of the stuff on Alibaba don't last - and I can't tell what is truly artisan made handicraft from the site. If there were a site only for handicrafts made by rural artisans.
@Resilient Z Its a beautiful country with beautiful people. Standing in front of the Shenwumen just takes your breath away. But now, all China reminds you of is fake and cheap goods, which is unfortunate. It's not about China flourishing or not.
@@stonefacedmedusa5542 in China, if you can pay for premium quality you get premium quality, most retailers in the west buy cheap Chinese products for profit so stop whining about Chinese quality, blame the western retailers.
@@billkar6479 omg, finally someone who understands the situation. Most people only blame the Chinese instead of the western retailers. Thx for your comment.
@@blokin5039 Of course you arent. I'm a fan of watching tofu dreg buildings collapse, gutter oil, poluted wastelands, and the geonocide of Uyghur muslims. It's not like the rapid development is rapidly running out due to a demographic collapse coupled with a deterioration in trade relationships because of wolf warrior diplomacy. I'm sure China will keep developing through its numerous problems that are almost assured to collapse any economy.
Sounds kind of ironic. I mean china is probably the country where all religions are suppressed. You better say all hail CCP, they probably like that more.
Has anyone here actually tasted Chinese wine?!? It is !@#$%^&* awful, even the XinJiang/NingXia ones or famous ones.... Seriously the Australian ones are MUCH better.... forget politics.... China can produce many things but wine arghhhhhhh
“We cannot damage the environment to make the economy grow.” He’s definitely not American.
Well you can say that about many countries and governments around the world, nature often comes last and humans & economy comes first. But much will naturally change in the future.
Definitely not American 1980s but the world is changing.... be positive!
China only uses slave labor and has the worst human abusive violations in the world get the f outta here..
@@yanbigtimeinc7698 I wonder how the US came to be..... oh! thanks for reminding me!
@@edwardzhang3855 Bro I came to United States in 1979 from Communist Ukraine.. And even I know that the whole United States was not founded by slavery. But then again I know where you're coming from Americans have a delusion of history.. They actually think they won World War II...🤣
I know it has become a trend to hate China but the amount of trees China has planted and re-forestation process done in deserted area is huge. Just search from great green wall of China.
Reporting on incidents of illegal de-forestation is alright but not even mentioning the bigger details which can turn the whole piece around is just wrong. At least give the the complete information and let the views decide for themselves rather than giving out half truth to drive your narrative.
in 2019 80% or 90% of global new tree planted was in china. again 90% of the world population has no idea what scale china at. just like before ww2 nobody know what US is capable of.
@@ogrejiang1444 100% of virus affecting the world is from china.. fuck you and your trees
@blackapple89er thats true.. but chinas coverup of the initial outbreak resulted in a much worst outcome for rest of the world... quick response is key hence why bird flu and swine flue didnt kill as many people you knuckle head
Kungflu
@blackapple89er @blackapple89er Listen im originally from iran... Dont mistake usa patience for lack of will or fear..., Iran kept supplying terrorists in iraq and around the world via General Soleimani..., USA stood back and and tried to be diplomatic.. reasonable, not escilate anything for a better long term goal..., however once soleimani overstepped his boundary and threatened trump he was blown out this world via drones. No one thought america would even strike top leader military leader of IRAN in fear of revenge attacks against israel or other us allies. But when push comes to shove USA will put the correct countries in their place. This is why they are pulling out of Afghanistan, they are preparing. Now as a iranian who lived through the gulf war and under saddams bombing against us im telling you the whole us policy in middle east is not about dealing with radical islamist.. its to control oil supplies for themselves and allies in a war against communist Russia and China. Maybe when you realised how the world really works you can have a decent conversations. And they may not have worried about swine flue.., cause it didnt spread and affect multiple countries.., and china didnt use it as advantage to build military bases in disputed ocean (disputed by U.N.) Now corona virus however had cover up from day 1 and china even arrested its own medical people... so you can wait and see what happens.
Too much double standards from the media.
Western wine industries are mad they are losing their market shares lol
western wine Industries will be just fine, california can't grow burgundy and oregon, can't grow australian shiraz, china will have to find what works for them, thats the neat part about the wine industry unlike many others you can't duplicate the terroir of another area, so china's success will require them to develop their own style, if and when they do competition between the industries will be minimal at most. I'd like to see china try to recreate a cold climate pinot noir!
@@user-hp1jw9tg3l dont respond its a wumao (paid chinese shill)
@G.O.A.T okay ccp slave
@@user-hp1jw9tg3l yes, but China producing will feed its own domestic needs which might mean less market share of french, italian, etc, etc wines in China.. Australian wine industry already suffered a lot due to the tarifs and also had a tough time finding alternatives. Overall we have overproduction of wine and declining consumption in the developed wine drinking nation.
Chinese are very creative people and probably they could make pinot. I have tried some Bordeaux styles Chinese wine and were very well made.
Be it the easy way, or the hard, we will learn to live in balance... or die.
Agree 🙏
not for you to say. shane smith should be arrested and vice news expelled from asia.
It has been the West way or die. What choice do the rest of the world have but to survive. Rest of the world now is surviving and the West does not like the rules they always played in the past. The West became great due to the fact that they tried to eliminate the people and pillaged all treasures from most corners of the world and they are not satisfied because other countries are not yet fully destroyed. Just look at England, they wanted to keep foreigners out but they are complaining they don't have worker to do slave jobs with slave pay.
Southern Europe has been growing wine for 2500 years.....china for 30 years......
obviously you are not a sommelier
What we hope is not to replace Eu products, is to give those people who live in those areas jobs that are clean and give them a better life. Europeans probably will still have the best wine in the world and Chinese market is clearly big enough for EU and local products to prosper
growing wine?
Well that's wrong because the planet isnt that old
@@pro_lapsed7613 is this sarcasm?
Ecologial disaster my foot. It will be disastrous to those wine company charging people huge amount of money for no reason
Vice again: Could 1.4 billion Chinese’ breathing lead a drop in the level of oxygen on
earth?
of course, it also increases carbon dioxide levels.. thats just science.., has nothing to do with nationality, its just the case where there is a larger population.
@@jasonh289 absolutely, a population of 7 billion on earth.
28,000 rivers in China have entirely dried up. That entire country is an ecological disaster.
@@tkw3864 yes im not disagreeing.. but china and india have the biggest populations yet they are not the cleanest energy users... china and india use alot of coal power plants..., so their breathing is least of our problems.
@@jasonh289 you are one of the 7 billion. Don’t forget that.
Third biggest area under vine but most of it is used for table grapes. Iran also have loots of hectares and Turkey, however they only make table grapes and raisins.
I have already tried a wine from ninxia and was pretty damn good. Prices however are very high, as conditions are hard. They need to bury the vines during the winter time, otherwise vines will die due to low temperatures. Costs of production are very high.
Been to ningxa in 2011 , touring forestation site to prevent desertification... I think to see the wine yard there in this video is just amazing. I remember been stuck for days due to sand storm , mostly very arid landscape. The fact wineyard are existing is already a proof of the dedication to improve environment there.
Yes producing wine right next to Uyghur concentration labor camps…but oh the environment is better stfu
@UCm41qSn1bi5eubR0bSGfuqw you stfu
I guess you are getting paid by the CCP or your sense of humour is very strange.
Improve the environment? Common give me a break
@@ll4680 bot alert XD
Ningxa is actually quite from province of uyghur... another topic. But yeah the cpp has been addressing the problem for the simple reason than the desertification I moving towards Beijing, threatening the capital. They don't do because they love nature, just based on survival instinct.
There will be accusations of “surplus production” very soon?
哈哈哈 中国人就该只吃糠咽菜，连呼吸都是错。最近这类宣传好多。
XD
Well done! Expand wine output productions. Because it is a wine and could not be classified as National Security Threats and now people classified it as an environmental issue.
You know…there are other better areas in China producing better quality of wine. Dunno why Vice only focused on reporting Ningxia. The climate there sucks, lack of the necessary rainfall.
I mean y’all care about this but we’ve been monocropping and destroying our own soil for ever and no one wants to talk about it so
我觉得被采访的人看了这个视频后悔死了。估计根本没有被告知视频用途
Sommeliers are going to have to adjust their pallets to industrial pollutants.
@blackapple89er 50cent army
@blackapple89er I mean, it's not a double standard, pollutants from those events are scarce don't effect vineyards today. Compared to Ningxia today it was never bad. The region has had major pollution scandals for awhile now.
Stupid double standards are emerging again.
I feel sorry for the guy having to hold the spit jar!
Yeah what a job spittoon guy
That chick had a dope title master of wine 😂 if I met her at a party I wish she would introduce her self as the master of wine ahaha
Idk about you but I think the commentary section is based
I anticipate complete sanity in the comments. No anti chines wackos or CCP bots none at all.
Too late the video itself started with very anti chinese wackos sentiment.
Nah, i'm good.
In last man talking about costly labourers but forget about labour camp those people working free forcefully under so called education camps
Re-education camps!
Another salty indian🙄🙄🙄
One day, should your country reaches a position that threatens US, you can be sure there will be a mountain of propaganda to prevent it from developing further too.
But still beats the ones in India who aren't given toilets to shit in. LOL
you are another loser who just brain washed by western media but know nothing about this world
no?
I’ll eat Chinese food but not wine. I wish we could get good Chinese handicrafts to buy (not the alibaba mass produced stuff), I’d buy that.
Alibaba dont produce stuff, you can buy the artisant chinese stuff from them too only it will cost more.
@@harukrentz435 Eh.. most of the stuff on Alibaba don't last - and I can't tell what is truly artisan made handicraft from the site. If there were a site only for handicrafts made by rural artisans.
@Resilient Z Its a beautiful country with beautiful people. Standing in front of the Shenwumen just takes your breath away. But now, all China reminds you of is fake and cheap goods, which is unfortunate. It's not about China flourishing or not.
@@stonefacedmedusa5542 in China, if you can pay for premium quality you get premium quality, most retailers in the west buy cheap Chinese products for profit so stop whining about Chinese quality, blame the western retailers.
@@billkar6479 omg, finally someone who understands the situation. Most people only blame the Chinese instead of the western retailers. Thx for your comment.
Quantity =/= Quality. China remember that
Lol....NOt in appropriate agriculture,it's called climate change kid ....Does inappropriate agriculture cause drought ..
They should ship to india
No thanks
Chinese market prefers to drink CLEAN WATER. Not some stupid french red wine imitation.
VICE don't bring your propaganda inside asia get out from here
Wini
China has the humid climate to grow grapes.
I wonder how many Uyghur muslims died when producing those vineyards?
In before this gets deleted😂
I wonder how many your family members died when producing those vineyard?
a fraction compared to the number of people who've died in the hands of the americans and the british
@@mc0000 I’m not American or British but nice try
我可去NMB
China breathes. Western media: Does the Chinese breathing carbon dioxide will impact global warming?
Government like CCP makes me really hard to trust anything related to China, whether its people or its products.
It’s alright. They don’t care
Go to hell! Who cares your trust!!!
That your problem.
What a shame of your Double Standard!!!
Yeah I'm sure people will warm up to drinking glorified antifreeze.
@@blokin5039 Wumao
@@blokin5039 Of course you arent. I'm a fan of watching tofu dreg buildings collapse, gutter oil, poluted wastelands, and the geonocide of Uyghur muslims. It's not like the rapid development is rapidly running out due to a demographic collapse coupled with a deterioration in trade relationships because of wolf warrior diplomacy. I'm sure China will keep developing through its numerous problems that are almost assured to collapse any economy.
@@blokin5039 Okay wumao
Vice is so hypocritical.. lol
God bless China 🇨🇳✊✊✊✊✊
Sounds kind of ironic.
I mean china is probably the country where all religions are suppressed.
You better say all hail CCP, they probably like that more.
@@Slithermotion salute to ccp 🇨🇳✊✊✊✊✊
boycott the china winter games
Oh…do they invite u ? 🤣🤣🤣
Don't upset China it may cry lots and lots 😭
Has anyone here actually tasted Chinese wine?!? It is !@#$%^&* awful, even the XinJiang/NingXia ones or famous ones.... Seriously the Australian ones are MUCH better.... forget politics.... China can produce many things but wine arghhhhhhh
No thanks