The devs for NASB are the same as a great Indie fighter called Slap City and have been pretty open about issues the game had with Nickelodeon during the first game. Apparently it was Nick's fault there were no alt costumes in the first game and the roster was so limited, so I imagine Nick is holding things back as far as characters in the game. They also mentioned the lack of single player modes in the first game as due to budget issues.
14:43 apparently one of the devs really likes Tak so he may have a larger chance at getting in than other 2000s picks. Although I would personally really like to see some more 2010 reps, like Harvey Beaks or even Sanjay and Craig.
Nick's lack of co-operation with this series seems pretty apparent to me, did you know that originally nick only wanted characters from the same show to be able to fight eachother? Yeah. Nick has always been the type to deem failures too soon and then barely acknowledge shows after theyre gone. (Unless they become an insane cult classic like zim) I really really do think none of the 2000s exclusions are the devs fault and its just nick being nick. Jenny and El Tigre being in, to me, shows the devs really do care about repping the 2000s, and are fighting tooth and nail to even get the tiniest scraps of it. Honestly i cant really get mad at this game knowing these devs are trying their best despite all odds, its an underdog story to me. Fairly OddParents is my favorite nick show but ive made peace that nick is gonna be too nick to negotiate with nelvana on the devs behalf. Im just happy with what is here. Also i like garfield
Yeah i feel like there's so many 90s reps because that's what the devs have access to lmao.i can imagine how much hell it was to even get Danny Phantom or even Avatar reps in.
Apparently Jimmy Neutron had similar legal issues to FOP, that’s why Jimmy didn’t show up in crossover games until very recently. Nick could totally do the same for Timmy, they just don’t want to. At least in terms of console games, they’re weirdly able to bring Timmy back for mobile games. I’m guessing it’s a legal loophole or something
From my understanding they can use Timmy in mobile games because he's only got weird copyright nonsense in every country other than the US, which the mobile games don't release for
I love how no one talks about that Lincoln loud. The main character of the loud house isn’t even in the second game and is replaced by his sister who is in the previous game.
Nickelodeon sold some characters Ottis they don't have anymore,Dora and patrol they don't have anymore,kailand they don't have anymore and glitch tech they don't have any more. They don't have bluesclues anymore,big nate they don't have any more,Bubble guppies they don't have any more and they are thinking of selling the rugrats because the parents think the rugrats stick out because there is no other character his age.
@@bringtolife2586 Who cares it's a game why is a character like tommy being forgotten because there is no babies fighting too, people are so stupid now damn.😠
I disagree with a lot here. The 2000s shows don't get repped as much because Nick doesn't care about them, it was only UNTIL NASB that shows like MLAATR and Jimmy Neutron finally started getting recognized by Nick that these properties are worth sinking money into, and I feel that's something that should be appreciated. Many shows from the 2000s are forgotten at this point by Nick, and if we want them in, simply just campaign for them. Hugh Neutron was added because of the fanbase, even the voice actor stated he wanted Hugh in, and do we really want to be mad at an inclusion that made him happy? Sure, him over Jimmy is weird, but the fanbase and voice actor genuinely wanted him and advocated hard for him, it isn't just memes. Garfield isn't absurd? You know he isn't exclusive to comics right? Garfield and Friends is extremely absurd, it would fit right at home on Nick if they ever aired it. Garfield is also a big moneymaker so of course they'd flaunt him. Not to mention there's a dev on the game who's made it very clear he's a huge Garfield fan, so I would NOT want to cut him. Gender diversity is great, but how cool a pick is is usually more important to me. Not that I'd mind more females than males or just a balanced mix of gender but it's not really something I care about. If the fighter works, I'm hyped. Simply getting the rights to FOP isn't as easy as you may think. I'm sure there's way more to it. I also feel you were way too aggressive about Garfield especially, all those f bombs lol Not to say your video ISN'T valid in your criticisms and I get where you were coming from, but some points I feel should've been looked at through other views, especially the 2000s representation. Just show more support for these shows. Miko and Otis ranked pretty high on a most wanted poll, and NASB1's DLC were entirely big most wanteds. So all you have to do to show Nick those shows are worth sinking money into is to keep advocating for them to get in. Devs always say to let your voice be heard by Nick.
"Simply getting the rights to FOP isn't as easy as you may think. I'm sure there's way more to it" Weren't people saying the exact same thing about Jenny last game for a while, and didn't the developers in the last game THEMSELVES say that rights issues weren't a problem for this series?
@kao7143 back in the day of the last one, people were concerned she was in a similar rights issue as Jenny, which is why Ludosity up and said that it wasn't an issue for Jenny and Timmy specifically
I agree that they neglected 2000's characters alot in the first game. I think Aang is the contender for worst represented character in NASB 1. Like, he's the last airbender, and he's got... 1 airbending move, and it doesn't even blow or push people away. He was also lacking in the other elements, and mostly just swung his stick around with no bending. Korra also lacked proper bending, and with both Aang and Korra being Avatars for christ's sake, it's just so disappointing. My make or break for getting NASB 2 will be if Aang and Korra are properly represented this time, and I _do_ have _some_ hope after seeing their brief appearances in the reveal trailer for the game.
Yeah I agree, the Avatar representation really disappointed me last game, especially with the lack of a fire bender, this game seems to really be approving it though
They neglected the 2010s era Nicktoons more. Hell, this don’t even have characters like Carly Shay, or Kenan & Kel. I mean the game’s called “Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl”, but the game has more Nicktoons characters, so I don’t know why it’s called “Nicktoons All-Star Brawl.”
I don't agree with this video one bit. All the characters that are in the first and 2nd game are deserved to be in here. And yes that includes Garfield and Hugh who you were WAY too harsh on. The fact that you gave TMNT a pass but not Garfield is total BS.
Not really tbh, Characters like Shredder and April really don’t deserve to be in a game dedicated to Nick’s most iconic characters, plus in the end we got 4 turtles reps and somehow it wasn’t the 4 turtles, just a really weird decision, especially since they aren’t even using their Nickelodeon designs Garfield is a fun character and I agree that this guy not thinking he has toon force is dead wrong, but besides that I agree. He doesn’t deserve to be here and isn’t a nick character, he’s owned by Viacom sure but this isn’t a paramount crossover lol, he hasn’t had shows, movies, and etc under Nick like TMNT
@@3Hunna-sosaIt's weird yes, but I disagree with you on April and Shredder. I feel both characters are deserving of the roster as much as the turtles are. April because it's another female rep and her gameplay is fun as well. And Shredder is not only a TMNT character but a villain also which is what the roster for the first game lacked at launch. Sorry, but I fell they do deserve to be in this game as much as the other turtles are.
@@3Hunna-sosaSame goes for Garfield. Nickelodeon owns the chararacter just liek TMNT. He's a Nickelodeon property whether people like it or not. He deserves to be in this game as well as Kart Racers 3 where he and Odie are playable characters. I'm standing by this. Both franchises are a part of NIckelodoen now. Imagine if Disney made a platform fighter and added not just Disney characters but the Avengers and Darth Vader and Bart Simpson as well. And before you say, "That it's a different scenario" no it isn't. Disney owns those properties just like how Nickelodeon owns TMNT and Garfield. They have everty right to put thise charactgers in the game. Regardless of whatt others say.
Same with Otis, Robot Default and Monster Krumholtz, though I wasn't sure if Robot and Monster would have a likely chance to appear, I mean I get those guys were owned by Nickelodeon but seeing those two join the roster as playable characters would be quite an unexpected surprise
They left Arnold out because he's a pacifist but put in Rocko? Arnold and Rocko basically fill the same role. The mild mannered, voice of reason everyman in a wild, unforgiving, self-serving world. Arnold is just as likely to physically fight someone as Rocko and they both have an episode where they're actually good at it but decide it just isn't them in the end.
I don’t know the Rugrats are kind of pretty normal. If you ask me it just follows the life of some babies and it’s just kind of pretty boring if you think about it but the movie amazing both of them they had some amazing ideas though it was a staple of our childhood, but all I’m saying, it’s just kinda pretty boring. There are a lot of cartoons like Garfield that have slower pace, humor and all that stuff if you ask me so I don’t mind Garfield as well.
Honestly, I think Tak as he appeared in the Power of Juju videogames would be a fantastic choice for a new fighter! It's a shame the terrible show adaptation of the series really tainted the franchise and killed any momentum the fanbase had going
The reason for why the 1990s to 2000s Nicktoons get the most representation is likely a case of what people call "First Installment wins". Basically, when it comes to Nicktoons, most people tend to think of the 1991 to 2005 Nicktoons. That isn't to say that some shows from later on don't have their fair share of fans (El Tigre and Loud House for instance), but most people tend to think of the older Nicktoons for a reason
here is my reasoning for Garfield mainly because of The Garfield Show, wich seems to be ironically popular, love to hate if you will and in that show he is more active than the comics so it is a TMNT situation Nick has 1 or 2 shows of the franchise, even though it didn't start there, makes it possible for the platform fighter
I will say I agree with most of this video but it’s weird she uses the Arnold being a pacifist thing and Garfield being lazy as arguments against his inclusion when one of his most popular running gags is kicking Odie off the table
My best guess as to why Garfield made it into Nick All-Star Brawl is probably because of the same reason why Hugh Neutron and Shredder made it into the game… memes. Either that, or they just wanted to show more of their parent company’s acquired mascots, before making the new show or that new Garfield movie that had been rumored.
I actually thought from the TN this would be clickbait, but instead I get a genuinely well made video with valid reasonings, good stuff, *I imagine they add Timmy’s dad over actual Timmy*
Rattlesnake Jake maybe is asking for too much, although that would be SICK. but Rango should definetly be in. i see Rango, Otis and Garfield as Paramount reps rather than Nick reps, because they were both owned by Paramount or originated by them, but i think that's fine because, Paramount and Nick are very close to each other. i feel like they deserve that representation. and tbf Rango and Barnyard are the only GOOD original Paramount animated IP.
I can understand the reasoning to be mad with Garfield’s inclusion, and I respect it. Here’s my two cents on the matter: Garfield is essentially a guest character on the roster. He’s able to get in because he’s now owned by Nickelodeon and Viacom, but since he hasn’t been owned for long, it makes him more sense to call him a guest fighter. Personally I love that he’s here, it’s the first time him and SpongeBob have ever been on the same screen together, that’s pretty historical stuff right there. Also, old Garfield cartoons did actually appear on Nickelodeon so he does have a little history with the network. Is he a Nicktoon? Absolutely not. But is he a good choice? Definitely. Garfield being in the same game as these characters can help give this game even more promotion. Just like the guest characters in Smash, I wouldn’t be surprised if people buy the game for the fact that Garfield is in it. That’s why they slap him on the cover. And when that animated movie with Chris Pratt comes out, you know his popularity will soar even more with the company Fairly Oddparents getting shafted though is rough bro 😭😭🤦♂️
Love him or hate him, Garfield is an iconic character at the end of the day. He definitely deserves a spot for that. Smash is a celebration of video games, even getting characters owned by their rivals, such as Banjo. NASB could one day grow to be a celebration of animation in the same way. You know, DBZ had runs on Nick in some places? What if one day the series gets big enough that they get the budget to outsource and add Goku as a guest character? And unlike in Smash, Goku would actually make sense here because of that history and the fact that he's more known for the anime and manga than he is for the handful of DB games. We might even see them get the budget to get around the licensing garbage that's keeping them from being able to use FOP characters.
Smash had two fully fledged games hat actually showcased their characters before they introduced a guest character. I don’t really mind the inclusion, but it’s a stretch to say Garfield BELONGS or DESERVES a spot here
@@igetboredproductionsOne day, but not today. It’s a nicktoons fighting game and we got Garfield who is barely even a nicktoon over characters who deserve it.
@@michaelthatoker7125 Smash also only started with 8 characters and wasn't super fleshed out. ASB2 feels like it really is going to be the Melee of the series. Apparently the story mode is going to be a sort of rogue like platformer like Adventure mode, and we might actually get no cuts, which will put us at like 30 characters. It seems like items and costumes will be in the game right off the bat, and now we've got the slime mechanic which is really going to mix things up with the fighting. Nobody seems to remember the Angry Beavers much anymore. But I can tell you some people do and are very, very happy to see them coming in. I have a friend who was really hoping to see them. And more Avatar reps? More Danny Phantom. I'm very excited about that.
@@igetboredproductions I love Goku, but i don't think he fits a Nick game, i don't he mash that well with the Nick cast, i think Multiversus would be better for Goku, if he HAVE to be in a plataform fighter. (considering shonem jump might not try to make their own)
As a 2000’s kid, I do not only mind 90’s Nick reps, but also I favor it. Nickelodeon has never been bigger than in the 90’s and the 90’s Nicktoons are the definition of Nicktoons, so if we had gotten a Back at the Barnyard, Mighty B, Catscratch, and FOP reps the All-Star feel wouldn’t be there without all the 90’s cartoons. I hope Rocket Power comes in the DLC.
Don't try to downplay their 2000s shows, especially when the 2000s era has bigger hits than a lot of the 90s cartoons, especially the likes of Real Monsters, Angry Beavers and Catdog, with Catdog being hated by the viewers and the people who worked on the show. Not all of the 90s are as big as you try to make them out to be, and especially not all star status. What are the biggest Nicktoons of the 90s? Ren & Stimpy, Rugrats, Rocko's Modern Life, Hey Arnold and that's pretty much it. The 2000s has Jimmy Neutron, Danny Phantom, Invader Zim, Avatar and Fairly OddParents. Those five shows have been much bigger hits than the big four of the 90s, especially Fairly OddParents. Also don't give me the Nelvana excuse because Danny Phantom and My Life as a Teenage Robot has the exact same Nelvana rights as FOP. This is not counting SpongeBob of coarse, a show that is more of an in between. Although SpongeBob did blow up big time during the 2000s. Everything else from the 90s and 2000s are on the same level, with the 2000s have much more cartoons. Although i might as well add that there are more 2000s cartoons with more dedicated fanbases than there are for the 90s cartoons. Now i'm not saying all the 90s shows that aren't those four i mentioned are bad, disliked or unpopular, i'm just saying that the 2000s have more big hits and that not every 90s cartoon is as big as you're making them out to be. Although i am saying that Catdog is bad and hated. Like i said, even the people working on the show hated it.
@@numnuts241 Sadly think the reason there's a lack of 2000's shows is because so many people believe that Nick shows have gotten worse. No one members Chalk Zone?? No one likes Fan boy and Chum Chum.
@@orangeslash1667 There are still hidden gems not to mention characters that can be used from 2000s shows already in the game. Also Fanboy & ChumChum actually score high in some request polls. All in all every reason that has been given to me just has a core of 90s bias from both the devs and the fanbase.
The thing about FOP is that the show was aired on Disney XD on other regions. Maybe that's why FOP didn't show up in recent Nick games despite that Timmy appeared in a Nick tennis game recently. Still, I'm hoping for Timmy to show up in this game as DLC.
@@3Hunna-sosatoo bad, Nick owns him, so they can add him. Same thing with Game and Watch and R.O.B in smash. NOBODY remembered them until they were put in.
Great vid, I’d like to see a mock up of the roster you’d like to see. Not sure if it should include cuts to what we have or if it should just add to the existing roster. But I agree, there should be at least 4 Fairly Odd Parents characters in this game, and the fact the number is 0 is wild.
Honestly, in a perfect world, I wouldn’t cut anyone. Despite my complaining, I’m happy all these 90s characters are in. In the cases of Hugh and Garfield, I’d be a lot more fine with their inclusions if the roster didn’t fall short in other areas, so they could totally stay in theory.
Counter argument about your "Garfield shouldn't be in rant" while I do get your reasoning I think Garfield should be in more as like guess character but him saying why he's here is like saying why Sonic and Pac-Man are in smash bros as also speaking say Garfield doesn't fight cause he's lazy is saying Isabelle can't be in because she can't fight in animal crossing I'm not being rude but seriously you hating on Garfield on that is just ridiculous.
Snap from Chalk Zone Timmy from The Fairly Oddparents Miko from Glitch Techs Otis from Back at the Barnyard Those are my top choices for the 4 DLC characters.
Idk if it's talked about in video but the reason F.O.P. characters rarely make appearances in cross over games now a days is because in some countries the show is aired on Disney...Nick probably dosen't want to tangle with them. Or at least that's the whispers I'm hearing.
I am gonna be real, I would take Gertie but not Gerald over Gerald but not Gertie; Gertie has demonstrated IN UNIVERSE that she can throw hands. Aside from that I would legitimately really like Timmy+Cosmo+Wanda, and out of any other FOP character I would LOVE to have Jorgen. Out of the other properties not in the game yet I'd legit be down for Snap, Bessie, and Tak. (Though tbh I'd rather have a version of Tak from the games pre-cartoon, as nitpicky as that is) Re: The Assist Trophy / Collectable thing, maybe the unrepped characters can somehow be present in the roguelite portion of the game? Either as powerups or interactive events or something, like Rudy drawing a health item for your character, or maybe Angelica deals damage to you trying to find Cynthia, or something.
Ehhhh. I don't think it's worth shoehorning less popular characters just to fill some arbitrary era quota. Like, are we going to seriously argue that The X's should get priority over something like Hey Arnold just because it was made in a different decade? The thing about the 2000s era is that Nickelodeon routinely canceled shit that wasn't performing the way SpongeBob was. As a result, most shows from that era just died out before they really built an audience. They ran for like 1 season, and went quickly forgotten. All the exceptions are essentially already here. Jimmy Neutron, Invader Zim, Danny Phantom, Avatar, and Teenage Robot. Yes, Fairly OddParents is a particularly glaring omission, but if we're willing to accept that ownership issues are a good enough reason to exclude Doug, then they're a good enough reason to exclude Timmy Turner too. Idk, I don't think this is a particular problem. The devs took more of a "greatest hits" approach. It's really the best they could do when pulling from so many decades of history. That said, I really like the idea of including some sort of collectible for the non-represented series. My mind immediately thought that instead of trophies, they could include things like sketches. Concept art, design references, or something like that. I think it would both fit the celebration of Nick as an animation studio and be something cool for fans to actually want to collect.
I'm surprised you never covered Powdered Toast Man, because I'll be honest, he's possibly the most weird character that they included, heck, when they announced him, I didn't knew he existed, and I was surprised you had no issues with him
Yeah, he’s a bit odd, but I don’t really have an issue with an extra niche Ren and Stimpy rep, one of the founding NickToons. It’s definitely weird but nowhere near as egregious as other characters I talked about.
@@chicofnaf7114 Ren and Stimpy is one of Nick'ss first shows, and its one of the most influential shows ever. The problem is that Ren and Stimpy has become less popular because everyone hates John K.
The imbalance in era representation is something that's frustrated me about the GameMill Nickelodeon crossover games for years and it's so refreshing to see someone else share the sentiment! There are so many good Nicktoon characters from the late 2000s onwards that absolutely deserve to be in these games!
NASB2 is good, but I do see your point. It does suck how it's mostly the 1991-2007 Nicktoons and very little in terms of the 2010s and 2020s. I get that most people tend to remember the 90s to 2000s Nicktoons more, but why not include some modern Nickelodeon shows like It's Pony, Glitch Techs, TUFF Puppy, or even Sanjay and Craig (I get most people didn't like Sanjay and Craig, but I figured they would be the perfect surprise characters on the roster).
@@benbarnett5743 Sanjay and Craig legitimately fit the bill of being "Nickelodeon All-Stars" way more than Garfield! Their show ran for three seasons, was one of the only NickToons to avoid getting its remaining episode premieres sent to the paid network, and it got pretty good ratings across its three year run!
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios I mean, I get that they couldn't include the dreamworks character or Rabbids because of licensing, but there are lots of 2010s and 2020s Nicktoons they could've included like Welcome to The Wayne
@@benbarnett5743 Heck, they could’ve included some live action and Nick Jr characters, even characters from Nickelodeon’s movies. I mean come on, the game’s called “Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl 2”. Not “Nicktoons All-Star Brawl 2”. It should’ve had variety.
I've seen two different RUclipsrs act like Gerald makes more sense as a representative that Gertie and that's honestly baffling to me. If you asked me to pick two Hey Arnold characters for a fighting game Helga and Gertie would absolutely be the top choices. I do agree that Fairly Oddparents should be in a game, but if rights issues are getting in the way, you can't really get mad at the devs for that. It's literally not their call to make
Friendly reminder; there is a Garfield strip where he's so annoyed by a loud ice cream truck disturbing his sleep that he smashes the truck and in the next panel, the truck is folded like a futon
> Doesn't like memes > Uses a pretty darn good one as the outro LMAO Tbf, you said what had to be said without insulting the devs and that's respectable. Solid take on the roster, Gertie just doesn't feel right, but everything else is good choices. I'm not surprised TMNT gets favoritism for reps as that's up there in terms of marketable profit just like Pokemon and Fire Emblem are to Smash Bros. -- same with Garfield, but I think of him as a sort of Solid Snake inclusion simply due to popularity. I am hopeful the leaks only show the starter roster and there is more new characters remaining as unlockable. The devs seem to be hyping the campaign for a reason which could end up being a parallel to Brawl's Subspace Emissary with cutscenes akin to the Nicktoons crossover games from the 2000s.
Why do you not have an issue with TMNT but do have an issue with Garfield when Garfield and Friends was a show that aired on NIck... Garfield and Friends is what he's based on.
The 2012 and Rise TMNT shows were actually made by Nick Animation Studios. Garfield and Friends just had reruns on the network. I know that sounds a little pedantic and nitpicky, but it’s a big thing that tends to comfortably separate “NickToons” from other shows that may be associated with Nick.
This feels a tad nitpicky to me imo. I think the DLC is going to iron out a lot of your issues, and even then I think we still dunno the roster. We gotta trust the vision! 😂
Assuming the DLC would fix the problems is just that, an assumption. There's no way of knowing it'd make anything better or worse. And even if it does fix things it should have to take DLC for people to get what they should have gotten base game. The problem of such things being fixed through DLC is even pointed out in the video. And "We gotta trust the vision"? What vision? The way i see it the "vision" is very biased against everything that's not apart of the dev's childhoods.
6:37 ooooo boy, this reminded of the 2009 Garfield Show (The 3D one that's so memable) I think that can kinda fit on Nickelodeon but i still see no reason for him to be here And I am a huge Garfield fan! At least make a original show nick and then justify his appearance XD.
15:27 i agree, the lack of fop and Timmy in nasb it's bizzare but tbh im very optimistic that they might find a way to get the international rights from nelvana since the devs are 100% aware Timmy it's the most highly requested character now that jimmy, squidward and el tigre are in the sequel, and if you ask me he has to be one of the firts dlc characters to make hype for future newcomers (fun fact, there gonna add more dlc characters in the future). I got an idea on how they can reveal Timmy if they manage to get the rights from nelvana: the reveal will be showing gameplay footage of spongebob, danny phantom, jimmy neutron and then they reveal Timmy, this could work for a great reveal because it will be a callback to nicktoons unite and also a reference on how smash reveal pac-man in smash 4 showing gameplay footage of mario, sonic and megaman.
At this point, I think it's beyond our control. Garfield is here to stay, whether we like it or not, but I can KINDA look past it since it did atleast air on Nick for a time (unlike the 80s Turtles), & I am a fan of the general 80s-90s era of Garfield media. It still irks me that he's the biggest/most prominent character on the box art beside SpongeBob, tho....
To be honest the reason their is not a lot of 2000’s Nick characters is because most of those shows only had one or two season and they aren’t very memorable compared to the 90’s Nick shows that are all iconic and most the shows from the 2010’s were either really bad or in live action which is off the table
It would be cool if we can have a Nick Smash Ultimate kind of thing where every Nicktoon is here. They probably don't have a budget for that though. Unless we have to wait for an All-Star Brawl 3 lol. Timmy needs to start showing up in the console games. It's weird that he's able to show up in the mobile games. I would love if he was playable in the Nickelodeon Kart Racers series. I wanna see Chincinatti and Fairy World become tracks. As for the Rugrats, I think Susie & Angelica would be nice to see. They did have a rivalry in the show. Them being in the game would sort of make up for the babies not being playable. The X's make a lot of sense to be in the game. They're a fucking spy family. Same with Tuff Puppy. A spy dog and a spy cat sounds great asf. I remember when the 1st game was announced and I made a post about them on the subreddit, the people in the subreddit thought the show was too obscure to show up. I also never understood the hype for Hugh either from the very beginning. I would rather see Sheen, Carl, and Cindy. They make more sense to me. Whenever I brought up Cindy in the subreddit they would say she would be a bad choice. I'm like how when she fights in the movie and show ? Idk why people act like Hugh was so important in Jimmy Neutron. You're right about Garfield though. It's weird how NASB fans hate the idea of Arnold being playable since he's a "pacifist", but we literally have one of the laziest cartoon characters in history in the roster. Garfield fighting doesn't necessarily make sense either, but he's here. NASB fans are a bit toxic to me lol. They want the whole roster to be filled with meme picks not knowing some of us just don't care for that shit.
The legal troubles with FoP doesn't apply to the US, Nelvana has certain distribution rights that only apply outside the US. I think those mobile games are only released in the US, but they obviously don't want to do that sorta thing with a more proper game like this.
Honestly, the roster for both games is very weird. Like, I can’t exactly fault you for roster inclusions or exclusions that bug or confuse you. They have plenty of main characters not there, era representation is wonky, and just in general a lot of missing series. I am absolutely certain all the 90s love is at least partly due to the devs knowing the primary demographic for these games- competitive fighting game fans who would be older and lean more towards the 90s era Nicktoons. Not that this justifies the weird representation of post 90s stuff, and you’re still valid to find it annoying or disappointing, just that this is definitely part of what I think the methodology is behind these decisions. As for a few specific characters I have thoughts on- while I can appreciate a Hugh Neutron meme like the next guy, I appreciated his inclusion because his VA was part of the movement. So I can respect when a VA loves doing the voice that they join in an effort like that. Jimmy absolutely should have been in first, and Hugh a supplemental pick rather than the only Jimmy Neutron character. The big one I disagree on, Garfield, I also agree on to some extent. First off, I just enjoy Garfield as a character. And I disagree on Garfield lacking in the absurdity Nicktoons are known for, since Garfield’s animated shows can get really absurd. I mean, I don’t see much relatable in a mutant forming out of leftovers in the fridge too long or getting lasagna in a TV satellite getting you stuck in the TV. But on the other hand, that’s not really represented here and Garfield is mostly based on the comics. Between that and the fact Nick hasn’t DONE anything with the character (we know there’s a movie in the works, but that is still less than the Ninja Turtles have), he does feel like a weird inclusion done to show off they own the character. The first game was good for a licensed fighter, though, so here’s hoping they can improve it here.
My two theories about Garfield being in here are as follows: A) He was a studio demand to flaunt the fact that Nickelodeon owns him. "Hey, look at this cool and wacky game, with SpongeBob, Ninja Turtles, and Garfield!" B) The devs are big fans of Garfield and added him because they had the right to. I dont know why or how it would be easier to get Garfield than The FairlyOdd Parents, but hey, it is what it is. I lean more towards B since I think the devs have way more control over the roster than any higher-ups. Either way, I don't actually mind his inclusion here. He's a really fun character, and I don't see why not since they own him.
if you watch Garfield do you know how many times he’s run or did acrobatics he does it a lot on his animated adventures he doesn’t do it in the comics because there’s a limited amount of room?(just saying I don’t want to start an argument I wanted to share my view point)
Have you thought of comparing online nick brawl with console nick brawl? I agree there’s so many great shows to choose from and it’s who makes us more money. V.s. Who was on the network. A 2D vs 3D starline, breadwinners, the Wayne,even the penguins of Madagascar. Though I’m surprised they didn’t add someone from big Nate or smurfs yet.
The reason the fairly odd parents are not in the game because nickelodeon made the game globally and they only have the rights to the fairly odd parents in United States and not the other countries which won't make it global hope that helped 👍
I don't think Toph getting in over Zuko was that controversial since Toph is also a very popular character, but as for the other ditching males to make way for females, yeah I can see why some people could get confused and even disappointed
We all get the reason they're prioritizing gender representation, but it definitely sticks out, considering most shows featured males as their main characters or as their main antagonists. Also, I'm a bit salty as to picking Azula over Zuko, yeah, she has Lightning, but Zuko borrows concepts from other bending styles + he could use his twin swords as an attack. So I'd say it sorta even outs.
@@kingbode2611 indeed, I don't mind all of this female representation, but when they start pulling choices like Ember and especially Gertie when we have an even bigger problem of minimal 2000s and 2010s shows represented feels like a facepalm, it's like those characters should have gotten in the 3rd installment when the show representation has already been addressed, at least reasonably enough if not properly
@@kingbode2611 Azula with no Zuko would be like if Smash added Waluigi with no Luigi. She's a villain yeah, but throughout the series she has been a threat for Zuko to overcome. She has always been Zuko's obstacle so having Azula with no Zuko is like having a Marvel Vs Capcom game with Juri but no Chun-Li.
@@elkarlo1593 I'm gonna be honest, what the devs are doing is tokenism and such a practice is stupid and insulting to the characters because they are being favored for what they are instead of who they are or how they're viewed with the fans.
Okay zuko aside literally who else would be there in ATLA? You do not want Sokka playable. Bolin would be incredibly boring. Toph was a total no brainer, and Azula has much better utility for a fighting game. Kiyoshi would have been cool, but toph is a more recognizable earth bender.
U made some good points about Garfield. It's odd to see him fighting but I guess I like him too much to care and he's mainly in because Thaddeus begged for him. And, I 100% agree with everything u said about Hugh. He just doesn't deserve to be here. If Jimmy came first...maybe. But, the fact that Hugh was put in over Jimmy left a bad taste in my mouth. I don't like the approach they went with not adding the main characters of some series people obviously wanted over the side characters they did put in. And, yes...us 2000's kids are sad. I feel ya. Great critique of this game. Really glad I found this video.
As someone in their 30s, I'm absolutely thriving with this roster. Still, I'm surprised you didn't mention Mr. Meaty, cousin skeeter, As told by ginger, action league now or even cat scratch.
With Action League Now and Mr Meaty, I excluded them because their status as “toons” is sorta up in the air. As Told by Ginger is shown as part of the 2000s snubs in the video and I mention Catscratch a couple times. Admittedly, not familiar with cousin skeeter at all.
I hope Zim’s moveset is realized more since as of now he’s the only rep for his show. Goddard opens up lot of possibilities for GIR and I think the Gnome should act like a sentry turret similar to the show which would kinda be a new fighting style for a platform fighter. I understand the Irken Pak legs is realistically how Zim would contend with all these other characters as he’s even used it for few combat scenarios in the show, but having it take up a lot of his moves comes off as uninspired at times when he’s just poking and stabbing 90% of match
Hey You Probably Know Why There is a one Character that will Knock Timmy out and that Will Be Shoutmon Because He is from Digimon so You have to make a Video About Shoutmon should Come To Nickelodeon All-star Brawl 2?
Good video, even though it wasn't a big deal to me, I agree with your points about the lack of 2000-2010's shows representations in both games. And Timmy definitely should be in the game for sure, he's one of, if not the most deserving spot in the roster...
I can’t be mad over the roster. The gameplay is more of a concern to me against the roster. Even as a 2000s kid, most of the important 2000 shows have representation and doubling down on more representation for the popular shows makes sense since that’s what sells the games.
I totally agree about the absence of the Fairy Odd Parents. Whenever I see Nickelodeon I always thought of Spongebob, Jimmy Neutron, Danny Phantom and Fairy Odd Parents. Those 4 for me and I'm sure many others helped make Nickelodeon what it was in the 2000s. But I disagree about the whole 90s get more representation than 2000s argument. Compared to 2010s the 90s were absolutely superior in every way. Seriously Chum Chum? What even is that? A drink? Back to the Barnyard? I didn't know that their was a cartoon beyond the movie.
This is incredibly well put. If they're lacking female characters so badly, My Life As A Teenage Robot is FULL OF THEM. GIVE ME NORA WAKEMAN!!!! I'd literally kill for Vexus or any of X-J9's sisters from my life as a teenage robot to make an appearance, also a character from As Told By Ginger would be terrific since it's such an underrated and extra hidden gem. they could make Gir a separate character. He's not a girl, but it would add to the roster's list of robots. Zim's puppet character is awesome, but replace Gir with mini moose so he can be his own character.
Hugh neutron is the best, but it still felt weird to not have Jimmy cause he's the main character, I wonder if he will return (Along side carl an sheen but I doubt it)
They were one(?) of the most unique characters in the games and in Nicktoons in general. If they make a NASB 3, I’m crossing my fingers our boys will return! Also think about how nice they’d look with the smoother animation and art!
@clarenceandgennymcneil251 I know, just in general there one of my favorites and even tho alot of people find the show mid, I personally think there trippin cause it's really good ☺️ and yea they definitely need to be in the next game 100% 😄
@ I just started watching the show online last year. And while it’s not perfect, it’s pretty fun and witty and even heartwarming at times (I cried watching It’s A Wonderful Half-Life). The main character(s?) are just so chaotically lovable.
They CAN put Timmy in video games still. Last year, they released a crossover tennis game for the Apple Arcade on mobile (Apple Arcade games tend to be a lot more quality than the typical App Store game) and guess who added for free in the game’s last character update? It was his first appearance in a game in forever, but it proves that they can add him to games. They also aren’t adverse to him seeing as he also appeared in Nick’s official Roblox destination, the Nickverse (yes, it is as weird as it sounds) also in 2022. So… wtf Nick? Where is Timmy?
I really do think that NASB2 needs to do one thing, and it's listen to the fanbase. I say this as someone who loves stuff like Smash and Multiversus, both of which realized extreme deficits in something they were doing and found ways to remedy them. The former did stuff like assist trophies before finally saying 'screw it' and making an installment that throws everyone from past titles in and also new choices, both third party and not. Meanwhile, Multiversus straight up screwed the pooch when WB forced them to do things a certain way with the charging for DLC so they shut down with plans to reopen within the coming months. And both did one thing that Nick All Star Brawl didn't do, and it's have such varied, wild rosters that feel so absurdist and off the wall, but represent history for their respective basis, be it video games or Warner Bros. as a studio. Nick mostly just did the 90's and called it a day. And that kinda sucks.
I wish the roster was balanced with the eras. I'm still wishing for Timmy Turner to make it in the roster. I also want Tak to make the cut and base him on his appearence and personality from his first 3 games since those video games were better received than the show and because of nostalgia biases. I also found it odd that modern franchises were very underrepresented in this game since a lot of 2000s to early 2010s Nick crossover games roster highly prioritzed shows that were airing on the channel at the time. I almost thought Brendar from a short lived series called "The Barbarian and the Troll" (it's a great watch BTW) made the cut during the first game's silhouette leak, but it was April. I didn't mind Hugh's inclusion though. I find him as a fun character to play as.
I don't see why Nick shouldn't put Timmy in the game, considering the leaks showed Ember Mclain who is also voiced by Tara Strong who also voiced Timmy freaking Turner. Let's hope Timmy gets reunited with Spongebob, Jimmy and Danny someday!
The 3 characters that I really want in is Otis, Timmy turner, and kitty katswell, they could all be fun, and if they're all dlc then I'm gonna be so hyped
Aside from being blatantly wrong about hugh neutron, the best character in the first game, and garfeild, I can kind of see the points for it, cus it seems like they really are just wanking off the 90s but then again the 90s were the best era of nickelodeon, coming from someone who grew up with the 2000s and whose favorite nick show is danny phantom. Them not doing much with the 2000s and 2010s i feel is also symbolic of nick barely doing anything with their shows in those eras aside from spongebob, that just may be me though. I personally don't see anything wrong with the roster, the best 2000s shows are represented anyway, the rest are kind of mid aside from fairly off parents but that show also fell off hard in the 2010s That being said, timmy ain't never leaving that vault, he's gonna be cryogenically frozen forever while nickelodeon and whoever owns his rights fight to the death forever
lmao @ the ember part i'm gonna be honest, I was very upset with the game for not acknowledging the 2000s shows as much, when mlaatr came, I was very complacent because it felt like the only character I really wanted, and afterwards I felt like I had nothing to complain about roster-wise outside of stating the weirder picks like ember and april. I think you're absolutely valid when you said "maybe me being upset stems from fairly odd parents not being represented", because I pretty much align there since mlaatr has a character. I have a big feeling that timmy is gonna be the final slot on the season pass, sorry man.
Lol yeah I left out Winx Club and a couple other shows (namely Wayside, Pelswick, and the DreamWorks shows) since they were partially developed by other studios and not primarily Nickelodeon. Not that that rules them out from inclusion, but I wanted to be as conservative as possible when giving the list of shows that weren’t included to hopefully avoid comments about inflating that number.
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Y'all dont realize how sick a chalk zone rep would be
Thay is my most wanted before catdog.
So real, I have been waiting for the appearance of snap or rudy since the first game :']
It would be like a Game & Watch rep. Sure, why not.
Chalk zone would be like Steve that would take alot of coding
Rudy is a Green Lantern!!
The devs for NASB are the same as a great Indie fighter called Slap City and have been pretty open about issues the game had with Nickelodeon during the first game. Apparently it was Nick's fault there were no alt costumes in the first game and the roster was so limited, so I imagine Nick is holding things back as far as characters in the game. They also mentioned the lack of single player modes in the first game as due to budget issues.
its nicks fault, what else is new
Sounds more like GameMill was tarnishing NASB more than Nickelodeon themselves
14:43 apparently one of the devs really likes Tak so he may have a larger chance at getting in than other 2000s picks. Although I would personally really like to see some more 2010 reps, like Harvey Beaks or even Sanjay and Craig.
He's only partly owned by Nick thought I'm pretty sure so they might have to ask Avalanche or THQ for permission
Harvey Beaks would be nice
There's also the fact that Tak was a big series towards the latter Nicktoons crossover games so there's that
Harvey Beaks was underrated
@@Brewart2012 THQs been dead for years, and I think nick scooped up their rights when they died, unless nordic has them now
Nick's lack of co-operation with this series seems pretty apparent to me, did you know that originally nick only wanted characters from the same show to be able to fight eachother? Yeah.
Nick has always been the type to deem failures too soon and then barely acknowledge shows after theyre gone. (Unless they become an insane cult classic like zim) I really really do think none of the 2000s exclusions are the devs fault and its just nick being nick. Jenny and El Tigre being in, to me, shows the devs really do care about repping the 2000s, and are fighting tooth and nail to even get the tiniest scraps of it.
Honestly i cant really get mad at this game knowing these devs are trying their best despite all odds, its an underdog story to me.
Fairly OddParents is my favorite nick show but ive made peace that nick is gonna be too nick to negotiate with nelvana on the devs behalf. Im just happy with what is here.
Also i like garfield
Ye I personally find nasb 1 more enjoyable than every platform fighter besides PlayStation all stars!
Yeah i feel like there's so many 90s reps because that's what the devs have access to lmao.i can imagine how much hell it was to even get Danny Phantom or even Avatar reps in.
Sounds more like GameMill was tarnishing NASB more than Nickelodeon themselves
You don't disrespect my boy Garfield like that
As someone who grew up in the 2010s, I'm very disappointed
But Garfield’s so funny 😢
I love Garfield but even I know that he shouldn’t be in the game, this is Nickelodeon all star brawl not paramount all star brawl lol
Agreen
Same with Hugh 😂
@@3Hunna-sosa That is fucking stupid. Gatekeeping great well fitting characters for the elitist mindset of "nICKTOONS ONLY" is insufferable.
That’s not funny
Apparently Jimmy Neutron had similar legal issues to FOP, that’s why Jimmy didn’t show up in crossover games until very recently. Nick could totally do the same for Timmy, they just don’t want to. At least in terms of console games, they’re weirdly able to bring Timmy back for mobile games. I’m guessing it’s a legal loophole or something
Pretty sure Timmy will 100% be dlc, he's a character that everyone would buy so it would make the most sense
From my understanding they can use Timmy in mobile games because he's only got weird copyright nonsense in every country other than the US, which the mobile games don't release for
I figured it would also be a little embarrassing to ask for Timmy back so soon after all the legal fees and effort.
@@mcspiffy5843 embarrassing? Brother you're talking about a multi billion dollar company
That’s BS, as they’ve been in Nick games in the past.
I love how no one talks about that Lincoln loud. The main character of the loud house isn’t even in the second game and is replaced by his sister who is in the previous game.
I guess Lucy’s more marketable?
Your hatred for Garfield is completely unjustified.
Not to mention blatantly biased
I dunno, lots of people hate Garfield nowadays.
@@numbuh1507 why is that Garfield haven't have anything new for awhile ?
Idk pretty sure he explained his reasoning in the video I actually watched it
I think Garfield is okay but really, i don't wanna play as him.
I honestly really wish Otis would appear, he appeared in the earliest Nick fighting games.
Nickelodeon sold some characters Ottis they don't have anymore,Dora and patrol they don't have anymore,kailand they don't have anymore and glitch tech they don't have any more. They don't have bluesclues anymore,big nate they don't have any more,Bubble guppies they don't have any more and they are thinking of selling the rugrats because the parents think the rugrats stick out because there is no other character his age.
@@bringtolife2586 Who cares it's a game why is a character like tommy being forgotten because there is no babies fighting too, people are so stupid now damn.😠
@@MichaelWhitmire-v6j it's probably a bot
Tommy Pickles isn't added because of the dumb rule "No beating up babies" but instead got made into a winning animation
I disagree with a lot here.
The 2000s shows don't get repped as much because Nick doesn't care about them, it was only UNTIL NASB that shows like MLAATR and Jimmy Neutron finally started getting recognized by Nick that these properties are worth sinking money into, and I feel that's something that should be appreciated. Many shows from the 2000s are forgotten at this point by Nick, and if we want them in, simply just campaign for them.
Hugh Neutron was added because of the fanbase, even the voice actor stated he wanted Hugh in, and do we really want to be mad at an inclusion that made him happy? Sure, him over Jimmy is weird, but the fanbase and voice actor genuinely wanted him and advocated hard for him, it isn't just memes.
Garfield isn't absurd? You know he isn't exclusive to comics right? Garfield and Friends is extremely absurd, it would fit right at home on Nick if they ever aired it. Garfield is also a big moneymaker so of course they'd flaunt him. Not to mention there's a dev on the game who's made it very clear he's a huge Garfield fan, so I would NOT want to cut him.
Gender diversity is great, but how cool a pick is is usually more important to me. Not that I'd mind more females than males or just a balanced mix of gender but it's not really something I care about. If the fighter works, I'm hyped.
Simply getting the rights to FOP isn't as easy as you may think. I'm sure there's way more to it. I also feel you were way too aggressive about Garfield especially, all those f bombs lol
Not to say your video ISN'T valid in your criticisms and I get where you were coming from, but some points I feel should've been looked at through other views, especially the 2000s representation. Just show more support for these shows. Miko and Otis ranked pretty high on a most wanted poll, and NASB1's DLC were entirely big most wanteds. So all you have to do to show Nick those shows are worth sinking money into is to keep advocating for them to get in. Devs always say to let your voice be heard by Nick.
Thank you! My thoughts exactly
"Simply getting the rights to FOP isn't as easy as you may think. I'm sure there's way more to it" Weren't people saying the exact same thing about Jenny last game for a while, and didn't the developers in the last game THEMSELVES say that rights issues weren't a problem for this series?
@@markthomaskiec2453jenny has no rights issues
@kao7143 back in the day of the last one, people were concerned she was in a similar rights issue as Jenny, which is why Ludosity up and said that it wasn't an issue for Jenny and Timmy specifically
Seriously though I'd kill for Nora Wakemen, Vexus or any of her sisters to be playable
I agree that they neglected 2000's characters alot in the first game. I think Aang is the contender for worst represented character in NASB 1. Like, he's the last airbender, and he's got... 1 airbending move, and it doesn't even blow or push people away. He was also lacking in the other elements, and mostly just swung his stick around with no bending. Korra also lacked proper bending, and with both Aang and Korra being Avatars for christ's sake, it's just so disappointing.
My make or break for getting NASB 2 will be if Aang and Korra are properly represented this time, and I _do_ have _some_ hope after seeing their brief appearances in the reveal trailer for the game.
Yeah I agree, the Avatar representation really disappointed me last game, especially with the lack of a fire bender, this game seems to really be approving it though
Nah bro neglected 2010's😭
They neglected the 2010s era Nicktoons more. Hell, this don’t even have characters like Carly Shay, or Kenan & Kel. I mean the game’s called “Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl”, but the game has more Nicktoons characters, so I don’t know why it’s called “Nicktoons All-Star Brawl.”
new ang looking good though...
Look up TkBreezy streaming the game. He played korra for a bit and she looks just as good as Aang does in the new game
I don't agree with this video one bit.
All the characters that are in the first and 2nd game are deserved to be in here. And yes that includes Garfield and Hugh who you were WAY too harsh on.
The fact that you gave TMNT a pass but not Garfield is total BS.
Not really tbh, Characters like Shredder and April really don’t deserve to be in a game dedicated to Nick’s most iconic characters, plus in the end we got 4 turtles reps and somehow it wasn’t the 4 turtles, just a really weird decision, especially since they aren’t even using their Nickelodeon designs
Garfield is a fun character and I agree that this guy not thinking he has toon force is dead wrong, but besides that I agree. He doesn’t deserve to be here and isn’t a nick character, he’s owned by Viacom sure but this isn’t a paramount crossover lol, he hasn’t had shows, movies, and etc under Nick like TMNT
@@3Hunna-sosaIt's weird yes, but I disagree with you on April and Shredder.
I feel both characters are deserving of the roster as much as the turtles are. April because it's another female rep and her gameplay is fun as well. And Shredder is not only a TMNT character but a villain also which is what the roster for the first game lacked at launch.
Sorry, but I fell they do deserve to be in this game as much as the other turtles are.
@@3Hunna-sosaSame goes for Garfield. Nickelodeon owns the chararacter just liek TMNT. He's a Nickelodeon property whether people like it or not.
He deserves to be in this game as well as Kart Racers 3 where he and Odie are playable characters.
I'm standing by this. Both franchises are a part of NIckelodoen now.
Imagine if Disney made a platform fighter and added not just Disney characters but the Avengers and Darth Vader and Bart Simpson as well.
And before you say, "That it's a different scenario" no it isn't. Disney owns those properties just like how Nickelodeon owns TMNT and Garfield. They have everty right to put thise charactgers in the game. Regardless of whatt others say.
@knarrow0222 wait! Disney owns Simpsons now wth😂
@@shatteredsentient5321 Yeah. Disney owns The Simpsons when they bought Fox. How did you not know this?
If they get Timmy, he’s definitely gonna be DLC
Same with Otis, Robot Default and Monster Krumholtz, though I wasn't sure if Robot and Monster would have a likely chance to appear, I mean I get those guys were owned by Nickelodeon but seeing those two join the roster as playable characters would be quite an unexpected surprise
@@Scrat-rs5ud only saw a little bit of Robot and Monster. Seems pretty decent. They’d probably make a fun duo character.
They left Arnold out because he's a pacifist but put in Rocko? Arnold and Rocko basically fill the same role. The mild mannered, voice of reason everyman in a wild, unforgiving, self-serving world. Arnold is just as likely to physically fight someone as Rocko and they both have an episode where they're actually good at it but decide it just isn't them in the end.
I agree, HOWEVER Rocko show his craziness like the people from his city at times.
Yeah, plus Arnold has been shown to be willing to fight if pacifism isn't going to solve the problem.
Ehhh I don’t mind Garfield cause I like him
I don’t know the Rugrats are kind of pretty normal. If you ask me it just follows the life of some babies and it’s just kind of pretty boring if you think about it but the movie amazing both of them they had some amazing ideas though it was a staple of our childhood, but all I’m saying, it’s just kinda pretty boring. There are a lot of cartoons like Garfield that have slower pace, humor and all that stuff if you ask me so I don’t mind Garfield as well.
@@SuperMarioBrosfan199Jeffreyrugrats is okay, I’d argue it’s only funny when the grownups are on screen
So who's going to tell him that Grandma was a request by Nickelodeon
Honestly, I think Tak as he appeared in the Power of Juju videogames would be a fantastic choice for a new fighter! It's a shame the terrible show adaptation of the series really tainted the franchise and killed any momentum the fanbase had going
The reason for why the 1990s to 2000s Nicktoons get the most representation is likely a case of what people call "First Installment wins". Basically, when it comes to Nicktoons, most people tend to think of the 1991 to 2005 Nicktoons. That isn't to say that some shows from later on don't have their fair share of fans (El Tigre and Loud House for instance), but most people tend to think of the older Nicktoons for a reason
here is my reasoning for Garfield
mainly because of The Garfield Show, wich seems to be ironically popular, love to hate if you will
and in that show he is more active than the comics
so it is a TMNT situation
Nick has 1 or 2 shows of the franchise, even though it didn't start there, makes it possible for the platform fighter
I will say I agree with most of this video but it’s weird she uses the Arnold being a pacifist thing and Garfield being lazy as arguments against his inclusion when one of his most popular running gags is kicking Odie off the table
Nickelodeon owns both of those franchises. Viacom purchased the rights to the TMNT in 2009 and Paws Inc (Garfield) in 2019.
My best guess as to why Garfield made it into Nick All-Star Brawl is probably because of the same reason why Hugh Neutron and Shredder made it into the game… memes.
Either that, or they just wanted to show more of their parent company’s acquired mascots, before making the new show or that new Garfield movie that had been rumored.
@@IcyDiamond Arnold should be here don't forget the karate episode,Arnold should be in his karate gi.
I actually thought from the TN this would be clickbait, but instead I get a genuinely well made video with valid reasonings, good stuff, *I imagine they add Timmy’s dad over actual Timmy*
They been adding villains, so imagine if they added Vicky...
I don't think Timmy Turner is unlikely to appear. They got him in a tennis mobile game meaning that they are still allowed to use him.
Rocket Powwr premiered in 1999 just like SpongeBob and ended in 2004.
So technically, it's a 2000's Show
Anyone think Rango & Rattlesnake Jake should join?
...okay actually i'd be kinda down for that
@@TheCartoonBaffoon same thing!
Rattlesnake Jake maybe is asking for too much, although that would be SICK. but Rango should definetly be in. i see Rango, Otis and Garfield as Paramount reps rather than Nick reps, because they were both owned by Paramount or originated by them, but i think that's fine because, Paramount and Nick are very close to each other. i feel like they deserve that representation. and tbf Rango and Barnyard are the only GOOD original Paramount animated IP.
Rango is top 25 most wanted dlc. If he doesn't get in, I'll be mad
I can understand the reasoning to be mad with Garfield’s inclusion, and I respect it. Here’s my two cents on the matter:
Garfield is essentially a guest character on the roster. He’s able to get in because he’s now owned by Nickelodeon and Viacom, but since he hasn’t been owned for long, it makes him more sense to call him a guest fighter.
Personally I love that he’s here, it’s the first time him and SpongeBob have ever been on the same screen together, that’s pretty historical stuff right there. Also, old Garfield cartoons did actually appear on Nickelodeon so he does have a little history with the network.
Is he a Nicktoon? Absolutely not. But is he a good choice? Definitely. Garfield being in the same game as these characters can help give this game even more promotion. Just like the guest characters in Smash, I wouldn’t be surprised if people buy the game for the fact that Garfield is in it. That’s why they slap him on the cover.
And when that animated movie with Chris Pratt comes out, you know his popularity will soar even more with the company
Fairly Oddparents getting shafted though is rough bro 😭😭🤦♂️
Love him or hate him, Garfield is an iconic character at the end of the day. He definitely deserves a spot for that. Smash is a celebration of video games, even getting characters owned by their rivals, such as Banjo.
NASB could one day grow to be a celebration of animation in the same way. You know, DBZ had runs on Nick in some places? What if one day the series gets big enough that they get the budget to outsource and add Goku as a guest character? And unlike in Smash, Goku would actually make sense here because of that history and the fact that he's more known for the anime and manga than he is for the handful of DB games.
We might even see them get the budget to get around the licensing garbage that's keeping them from being able to use FOP characters.
Smash had two fully fledged games hat actually showcased their characters before they introduced a guest character. I don’t really mind the inclusion, but it’s a stretch to say Garfield BELONGS or DESERVES a spot here
@@igetboredproductionsOne day, but not today. It’s a nicktoons fighting game and we got Garfield who is barely even a nicktoon over characters who deserve it.
@@michaelthatoker7125 Smash also only started with 8 characters and wasn't super fleshed out. ASB2 feels like it really is going to be the Melee of the series. Apparently the story mode is going to be a sort of rogue like platformer like Adventure mode, and we might actually get no cuts, which will put us at like 30 characters.
It seems like items and costumes will be in the game right off the bat, and now we've got the slime mechanic which is really going to mix things up with the fighting.
Nobody seems to remember the Angry Beavers much anymore. But I can tell you some people do and are very, very happy to see them coming in. I have a friend who was really hoping to see them.
And more Avatar reps? More Danny Phantom. I'm very excited about that.
@@igetboredproductions I love Goku, but i don't think he fits a Nick game, i don't he mash that well with the Nick cast, i think Multiversus would be better for Goku, if he HAVE to be in a plataform fighter. (considering shonem jump might not try to make their own)
As a 2000’s kid, I do not only mind 90’s Nick reps, but also I favor it.
Nickelodeon has never been bigger than in the 90’s and the 90’s Nicktoons are the definition of Nicktoons, so if we had gotten a Back at the Barnyard, Mighty B, Catscratch, and FOP reps the All-Star feel wouldn’t be there without all the 90’s cartoons. I hope Rocket Power comes in the DLC.
I totally agree with this, I do not want a single 90s rep to be cut, they all totally deserve to be here, just wish the other eras got that same love.
Imagine if you managed to guess all 4 dlc here xd. I do want Otis and the cats in and yes Timmy needs to join.
Don't try to downplay their 2000s shows, especially when the 2000s era has bigger hits than a lot of the 90s cartoons, especially the likes of Real Monsters, Angry Beavers and Catdog, with Catdog being hated by the viewers and the people who worked on the show. Not all of the 90s are as big as you try to make them out to be, and especially not all star status.
What are the biggest Nicktoons of the 90s? Ren & Stimpy, Rugrats, Rocko's Modern Life, Hey Arnold and that's pretty much it.
The 2000s has Jimmy Neutron, Danny Phantom, Invader Zim, Avatar and Fairly OddParents. Those five shows have been much bigger hits than the big four of the 90s, especially Fairly OddParents. Also don't give me the Nelvana excuse because Danny Phantom and My Life as a Teenage Robot has the exact same Nelvana rights as FOP.
This is not counting SpongeBob of coarse, a show that is more of an in between. Although SpongeBob did blow up big time during the 2000s.
Everything else from the 90s and 2000s are on the same level, with the 2000s have much more cartoons. Although i might as well add that there are more 2000s cartoons with more dedicated fanbases than there are for the 90s cartoons.
Now i'm not saying all the 90s shows that aren't those four i mentioned are bad, disliked or unpopular, i'm just saying that the 2000s have more big hits and that not every 90s cartoon is as big as you're making them out to be.
Although i am saying that Catdog is bad and hated. Like i said, even the people working on the show hated it.
@@numnuts241 Sadly think the reason there's a lack of 2000's shows is because so many people believe that Nick shows have gotten worse. No one members Chalk Zone?? No one likes Fan boy and Chum Chum.
@@orangeslash1667 There are still hidden gems not to mention characters that can be used from 2000s shows already in the game. Also Fanboy & ChumChum actually score high in some request polls.
All in all every reason that has been given to me just has a core of 90s bias from both the devs and the fanbase.
The thing about FOP is that the show was aired on Disney XD on other regions. Maybe that's why FOP didn't show up in recent Nick games despite that Timmy appeared in a Nick tennis game recently. Still, I'm hoping for Timmy to show up in this game as DLC.
not the garfield slander. how can anyone hate him. disliking, leave him ALONE
He’s not a nick all star lol
@@3Hunna-sosa but it's garfield
@@wallowlight but it’s not a character you associate with nick
@@3Hunna-sosatoo bad, Nick owns him, so they can add him.
Same thing with Game and Watch and R.O.B in smash.
NOBODY remembered them until they were put in.
Great vid, I’d like to see a mock up of the roster you’d like to see. Not sure if it should include cuts to what we have or if it should just add to the existing roster. But I agree, there should be at least 4 Fairly Odd Parents characters in this game, and the fact the number is 0 is wild.
Honestly, in a perfect world, I wouldn’t cut anyone. Despite my complaining, I’m happy all these 90s characters are in. In the cases of Hugh and Garfield, I’d be a lot more fine with their inclusions if the roster didn’t fall short in other areas, so they could totally stay in theory.
I can assume you don't feel any better since we got 2 more Avatar characters with Zuko and Iroh
Counter argument about your "Garfield shouldn't be in rant" while I do get your reasoning I think Garfield should be in more as like guess character but him saying why he's here is like saying why Sonic and Pac-Man are in smash bros as also speaking say Garfield doesn't fight cause he's lazy is saying Isabelle can't be in because she can't fight in animal crossing I'm not being rude but seriously you hating on Garfield on that is just ridiculous.
Snap from Chalk Zone
Timmy from The Fairly Oddparents
Miko from Glitch Techs
Otis from Back at the Barnyard
Those are my top choices for the 4 DLC characters.
Idk if it's talked about in video but the reason F.O.P. characters rarely make appearances in cross over games now a days is because in some countries the show is aired on Disney...Nick probably dosen't want to tangle with them. Or at least that's the whispers I'm hearing.
I am gonna be real, I would take Gertie but not Gerald over Gerald but not Gertie; Gertie has demonstrated IN UNIVERSE that she can throw hands.
Aside from that I would legitimately really like Timmy+Cosmo+Wanda, and out of any other FOP character I would LOVE to have Jorgen. Out of the other properties not in the game yet I'd legit be down for Snap, Bessie, and Tak. (Though tbh I'd rather have a version of Tak from the games pre-cartoon, as nitpicky as that is)
Re: The Assist Trophy / Collectable thing, maybe the unrepped characters can somehow be present in the roguelite portion of the game? Either as powerups or interactive events or something, like Rudy drawing a health item for your character, or maybe Angelica deals damage to you trying to find Cynthia, or something.
I understand your criticism...
but also (dolphins noise) you dude Garfield was an interesting weird pick
It’s very refreshing to see someone with reasonable opinions on this travesty of a roster
Ehhhh. I don't think it's worth shoehorning less popular characters just to fill some arbitrary era quota. Like, are we going to seriously argue that The X's should get priority over something like Hey Arnold just because it was made in a different decade?
The thing about the 2000s era is that Nickelodeon routinely canceled shit that wasn't performing the way SpongeBob was. As a result, most shows from that era just died out before they really built an audience. They ran for like 1 season, and went quickly forgotten. All the exceptions are essentially already here. Jimmy Neutron, Invader Zim, Danny Phantom, Avatar, and Teenage Robot. Yes, Fairly OddParents is a particularly glaring omission, but if we're willing to accept that ownership issues are a good enough reason to exclude Doug, then they're a good enough reason to exclude Timmy Turner too.
Idk, I don't think this is a particular problem. The devs took more of a "greatest hits" approach. It's really the best they could do when pulling from so many decades of history.
That said, I really like the idea of including some sort of collectible for the non-represented series. My mind immediately thought that instead of trophies, they could include things like sketches. Concept art, design references, or something like that. I think it would both fit the celebration of Nick as an animation studio and be something cool for fans to actually want to collect.
Worst part is they had Timmy turner in a Nickelodeon mobile tennis game that almost no one even knew about that was made a year ago💀💀💀
I'm surprised you never covered Powdered Toast Man, because I'll be honest, he's possibly the most weird character that they included, heck, when they announced him, I didn't knew he existed, and I was surprised you had no issues with him
Yeah, he’s a bit odd, but I don’t really have an issue with an extra niche Ren and Stimpy rep, one of the founding NickToons. It’s definitely weird but nowhere near as egregious as other characters I talked about.
@@TheCartoonBaffoon Understandable
@@chicofnaf7114 Ren and Stimpy is one of Nick'ss first shows, and its one of the most influential shows ever. The problem is that Ren and Stimpy has become less popular because everyone hates John K.
@@orangeslash1667 True, I mean, that's why when NASB 1 was released, I was worried about how people would react to them being here
@@chicofnaf7114 Even with the John K controversy, Nick is not afraid to use Ren and Stimpy because it was a huge hit.
The imbalance in era representation is something that's frustrated me about the GameMill Nickelodeon crossover games for years and it's so refreshing to see someone else share the sentiment! There are so many good Nicktoon characters from the late 2000s onwards that absolutely deserve to be in these games!
Thank you, finally! Someone who has the same beef towards GameMill as I do. This game should’ve been made by THQNordic.
NASB2 is good, but I do see your point. It does suck how it's mostly the 1991-2007 Nicktoons and very little in terms of the 2010s and 2020s. I get that most people tend to remember the 90s to 2000s Nicktoons more, but why not include some modern Nickelodeon shows like It's Pony, Glitch Techs, TUFF Puppy, or even Sanjay and Craig (I get most people didn't like Sanjay and Craig, but I figured they would be the perfect surprise characters on the roster).
@@benbarnett5743 Sanjay and Craig legitimately fit the bill of being "Nickelodeon All-Stars" way more than Garfield! Their show ran for three seasons, was one of the only NickToons to avoid getting its remaining episode premieres sent to the paid network, and it got pretty good ratings across its three year run!
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios I mean, I get that they couldn't include the dreamworks character or Rabbids because of licensing, but there are lots of 2010s and 2020s Nicktoons they could've included like Welcome to The Wayne
@@benbarnett5743 Heck, they could’ve included some live action and Nick Jr characters, even characters from Nickelodeon’s movies. I mean come on, the game’s called “Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl 2”. Not “Nicktoons All-Star Brawl 2”. It should’ve had variety.
If they dont add miko or ottis in any season of the dlc im getting MAD
Also L take on garfield and shit
I would love them both. I doubt they'll do it. Well idk if people on their discord talks about them alot then maybe.
I've seen two different RUclipsrs act like Gerald makes more sense as a representative that Gertie and that's honestly baffling to me. If you asked me to pick two Hey Arnold characters for a fighting game Helga and Gertie would absolutely be the top choices.
I do agree that Fairly Oddparents should be in a game, but if rights issues are getting in the way, you can't really get mad at the devs for that. It's literally not their call to make
The fact my boy timmy isnt throwin hands with the angey beavers is a crime
Friendly reminder; there is a Garfield strip where he's so annoyed by a loud ice cream truck disturbing his sleep that he smashes the truck and in the next panel, the truck is folded like a futon
> Doesn't like memes
> Uses a pretty darn good one as the outro LMAO
Tbf, you said what had to be said without insulting the devs and that's respectable. Solid take on the roster, Gertie just doesn't feel right, but everything else is good choices. I'm not surprised TMNT gets favoritism for reps as that's up there in terms of marketable profit just like Pokemon and Fire Emblem are to Smash Bros. -- same with Garfield, but I think of him as a sort of Solid Snake inclusion simply due to popularity.
I am hopeful the leaks only show the starter roster and there is more new characters remaining as unlockable. The devs seem to be hyping the campaign for a reason which could end up being a parallel to Brawl's Subspace Emissary with cutscenes akin to the Nicktoons crossover games from the 2000s.
Why do you not have an issue with TMNT but do have an issue with Garfield when Garfield and Friends was a show that aired on NIck...
Garfield and Friends is what he's based on.
The 2012 and Rise TMNT shows were actually made by Nick Animation Studios. Garfield and Friends just had reruns on the network. I know that sounds a little pedantic and nitpicky, but it’s a big thing that tends to comfortably separate “NickToons” from other shows that may be associated with Nick.
This feels a tad nitpicky to me imo. I think the DLC is going to iron out a lot of your issues, and even then I think we still dunno the roster. We gotta trust the vision! 😂
Yeah bro he likes owl house what do you expect.
@@putchristfirst4610owl house is a fucking shit show but he has some good points
Owl house is fine, what does that have to do with anything??
Assuming the DLC would fix the problems is just that, an assumption. There's no way of knowing it'd make anything better or worse.
And even if it does fix things it should have to take DLC for people to get what they should have gotten base game. The problem of such things being fixed through DLC is even pointed out in the video.
And "We gotta trust the vision"? What vision? The way i see it the "vision" is very biased against everything that's not apart of the dev's childhoods.
A TAD Nitpicky?! Bro this is nitpick the video, worhtless
Background characters becoming assist trophies is an AMAZING IDEA
6:37 ooooo boy, this reminded of the 2009 Garfield Show (The 3D one that's so memable)
I think that can kinda fit on Nickelodeon but i still see no reason for him to be here
And I am a huge Garfield fan!
At least make a original show nick and then justify his appearance XD.
15:27 i agree, the lack of fop and Timmy in nasb it's bizzare but tbh im very optimistic that they might find a way to get the international rights from nelvana since the devs are 100% aware Timmy it's the most highly requested character now that jimmy, squidward and el tigre are in the sequel, and if you ask me he has to be one of the firts dlc characters to make hype for future newcomers (fun fact, there gonna add more dlc characters in the future).
I got an idea on how they can reveal Timmy if they manage to get the rights from nelvana: the reveal will be showing gameplay footage of spongebob, danny phantom, jimmy neutron and then they reveal Timmy, this could work for a great reveal because it will be a callback to nicktoons unite and also a reference on how smash reveal pac-man in smash 4 showing gameplay footage of mario, sonic and megaman.
What is FOP
Garfield and Friends did air on Nick at some point in the 90s but that doesn't justify his inclusion
Doesn’t nick own Garfield tho?
At this point, I think it's beyond our control.
Garfield is here to stay, whether we like it or not, but I can KINDA look past it since it did atleast air on Nick for a time (unlike the 80s Turtles), & I am a fan of the general 80s-90s era of Garfield media.
It still irks me that he's the biggest/most prominent character on the box art beside SpongeBob, tho....
Nickelodeon owns Garfield tho?
Yeah they got the rights to him I don’t know why this man hating on the legend like that he must love Mondays
They own Garfield, Nick has a new Garfield show in the works, and Rep the game's main dev loves Garfield
To be honest the reason their is not a lot of 2000’s Nick characters is because most of those shows only had one or two season and they aren’t very memorable compared to the 90’s Nick shows that are all iconic and most the shows from the 2010’s were either really bad or in live action which is off the table
Chalk Zone and FOP are two IPs I would love to see in the game for sure. Angry Beavers is a great one too
It would be cool if we can have a Nick Smash Ultimate kind of thing where every Nicktoon is here. They probably don't have a budget for that though. Unless we have to wait for an All-Star Brawl 3 lol. Timmy needs to start showing up in the console games. It's weird that he's able to show up in the mobile games. I would love if he was playable in the Nickelodeon Kart Racers series. I wanna see Chincinatti and Fairy World become tracks. As for the Rugrats, I think Susie & Angelica would be nice to see. They did have a rivalry in the show. Them being in the game would sort of make up for the babies not being playable. The X's make a lot of sense to be in the game. They're a fucking spy family. Same with Tuff Puppy. A spy dog and a spy cat sounds great asf. I remember when the 1st game was announced and I made a post about them on the subreddit, the people in the subreddit thought the show was too obscure to show up. I also never understood the hype for Hugh either from the very beginning. I would rather see Sheen, Carl, and Cindy. They make more sense to me. Whenever I brought up Cindy in the subreddit they would say she would be a bad choice. I'm like how when she fights in the movie and show ? Idk why people act like Hugh was so important in Jimmy Neutron. You're right about Garfield though. It's weird how NASB fans hate the idea of Arnold being playable since he's a "pacifist", but we literally have one of the laziest cartoon characters in history in the roster. Garfield fighting doesn't necessarily make sense either, but he's here. NASB fans are a bit toxic to me lol. They want the whole roster to be filled with meme picks not knowing some of us just don't care for that shit.
The legal troubles with FoP doesn't apply to the US, Nelvana has certain distribution rights that only apply outside the US. I think those mobile games are only released in the US, but they obviously don't want to do that sorta thing with a more proper game like this.
Honestly, the roster for both games is very weird. Like, I can’t exactly fault you for roster inclusions or exclusions that bug or confuse you. They have plenty of main characters not there, era representation is wonky, and just in general a lot of missing series.
I am absolutely certain all the 90s love is at least partly due to the devs knowing the primary demographic for these games- competitive fighting game fans who would be older and lean more towards the 90s era Nicktoons. Not that this justifies the weird representation of post 90s stuff, and you’re still valid to find it annoying or disappointing, just that this is definitely part of what I think the methodology is behind these decisions.
As for a few specific characters I have thoughts on- while I can appreciate a Hugh Neutron meme like the next guy, I appreciated his inclusion because his VA was part of the movement. So I can respect when a VA loves doing the voice that they join in an effort like that. Jimmy absolutely should have been in first, and Hugh a supplemental pick rather than the only Jimmy Neutron character.
The big one I disagree on, Garfield, I also agree on to some extent. First off, I just enjoy Garfield as a character. And I disagree on Garfield lacking in the absurdity Nicktoons are known for, since Garfield’s animated shows can get really absurd. I mean, I don’t see much relatable in a mutant forming out of leftovers in the fridge too long or getting lasagna in a TV satellite getting you stuck in the TV. But on the other hand, that’s not really represented here and Garfield is mostly based on the comics. Between that and the fact Nick hasn’t DONE anything with the character (we know there’s a movie in the works, but that is still less than the Ninja Turtles have), he does feel like a weird inclusion done to show off they own the character.
The first game was good for a licensed fighter, though, so here’s hoping they can improve it here.
Agreed.
My two theories about Garfield being in here are as follows:
A) He was a studio demand to flaunt the fact that Nickelodeon owns him. "Hey, look at this cool and wacky game, with SpongeBob, Ninja Turtles, and Garfield!"
B) The devs are big fans of Garfield and added him because they had the right to.
I dont know why or how it would be easier to get Garfield than The FairlyOdd Parents, but hey, it is what it is.
I lean more towards B since I think the devs have way more control over the roster than any higher-ups.
Either way, I don't actually mind his inclusion here. He's a really fun character, and I don't see why not since they own him.
His profile picture is literally garfield, like I hate L take videos like this.
@@TaviiCatniss am I missing something? Who has a Garfield pfp?
@kellykingqueen2060 Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Good for him.
@@coolguyayden Nick doesn't fully own the rights to Odd Parents, the other half belongs to Nelvana.
12:26 in their defense, Daggett and Norbert rarely get invited to 90s Nicktoon Crossovers, and Nick barely acknowledges them.
Hugh was in by popular request, the devs. Care about there customers and community
"The roster doesnt validate every one of my opinions, therefore I'm angry"
- Cartoon Buffoon, 2023
Henry and June from Kablam are 90's Nickelodeon characters we haven't seen since the 90's that should return.
What do you think the cutts characters from the roster and the DLC been leaked
I did a live stream covering the former and a community post covering the latter. :)
LuL he's mad over Garfello
if you watch Garfield do you know how many times he’s run or did acrobatics he does it a lot on his animated adventures he doesn’t do it in the comics because there’s a limited amount of room?(just saying I don’t want to start an argument I wanted to share my view point)
Garfield is love. Garfield is life.
If They Wait Until Nick All Stars 3 To Add Timmy, Im Riot
Have you thought of comparing online nick brawl with console nick brawl? I agree there’s so many great shows to choose from and it’s who makes us more money. V.s. Who was on the network. A 2D vs 3D starline, breadwinners, the Wayne,even the penguins of Madagascar. Though I’m surprised they didn’t add someone from big Nate or smurfs yet.
Garfield and friends was on nickelodeon
The reason the fairly odd parents are not in the game because nickelodeon made the game globally and they only have the rights to the fairly odd parents in United States and not the other countries which won't make it global hope that helped 👍
I don't think Toph getting in over Zuko was that controversial since Toph is also a very popular character, but as for the other ditching males to make way for females, yeah I can see why some people could get confused and even disappointed
We all get the reason they're prioritizing gender representation, but it definitely sticks out, considering most shows featured males as their main characters or as their main antagonists. Also, I'm a bit salty as to picking Azula over Zuko, yeah, she has Lightning, but Zuko borrows concepts from other bending styles + he could use his twin swords as an attack. So I'd say it sorta even outs.
@@kingbode2611 indeed, I don't mind all of this female representation, but when they start pulling choices like Ember and especially Gertie when we have an even bigger problem of minimal 2000s and 2010s shows represented feels like a facepalm, it's like those characters should have gotten in the 3rd installment when the show representation has already been addressed, at least reasonably enough if not properly
@@kingbode2611 Azula with no Zuko would be like if Smash added Waluigi with no Luigi.
She's a villain yeah, but throughout the series she has been a threat for Zuko to overcome. She has always been Zuko's obstacle so having Azula with no Zuko is like having a Marvel Vs Capcom game with Juri but no Chun-Li.
@@elkarlo1593 I'm gonna be honest, what the devs are doing is tokenism and such a practice is stupid and insulting to the characters because they are being favored for what they are instead of who they are or how they're viewed with the fans.
Okay zuko aside literally who else would be there in ATLA? You do not want Sokka playable. Bolin would be incredibly boring. Toph was a total no brainer, and Azula has much better utility for a fighting game. Kiyoshi would have been cool, but toph is a more recognizable earth bender.
U made some good points about Garfield. It's odd to see him fighting but I guess I like him too much to care and he's mainly in because Thaddeus begged for him. And, I 100% agree with everything u said about Hugh. He just doesn't deserve to be here. If Jimmy came first...maybe. But, the fact that Hugh was put in over Jimmy left a bad taste in my mouth. I don't like the approach they went with not adding the main characters of some series people obviously wanted over the side characters they did put in. And, yes...us 2000's kids are sad. I feel ya. Great critique of this game. Really glad I found this video.
Completely valid but copyright is hard.
Nelvana owns the first season of timmy turner that was aired on Disney.
As someone in their 30s, I'm absolutely thriving with this roster. Still, I'm surprised you didn't mention Mr. Meaty, cousin skeeter, As told by ginger, action league now or even cat scratch.
With Action League Now and Mr Meaty, I excluded them because their status as “toons” is sorta up in the air. As Told by Ginger is shown as part of the 2000s snubs in the video and I mention Catscratch a couple times. Admittedly, not familiar with cousin skeeter at all.
I hope Zim’s moveset is realized more since as of now he’s the only rep for his show. Goddard opens up lot of possibilities for GIR and I think the Gnome should act like a sentry turret similar to the show which would kinda be a new fighting style for a platform fighter.
I understand the Irken Pak legs is realistically how Zim would contend with all these other characters as he’s even used it for few combat scenarios in the show, but having it take up a lot of his moves comes off as uninspired at times when he’s just poking and stabbing 90% of match
Hey You Probably Know Why There is a one Character that will Knock Timmy out and that Will Be Shoutmon Because He is from Digimon so You have to make a Video About Shoutmon should Come To Nickelodeon All-star Brawl 2?
garfield got promised a life-time supply of lasagna and cake and also gets to live in a 38 story mansion
What about making fiends
Good video, even though it wasn't a big deal to me, I agree with your points about the lack of 2000-2010's shows representations in both games. And Timmy definitely should be in the game for sure, he's one of, if not the most deserving spot in the roster...
I can’t be mad over the roster. The gameplay is more of a concern to me against the roster. Even as a 2000s kid, most of the important 2000 shows have representation and doubling down on more representation for the popular shows makes sense since that’s what sells the games.
I totally agree about the absence of the Fairy Odd Parents. Whenever I see Nickelodeon I always thought of Spongebob, Jimmy Neutron, Danny Phantom and Fairy Odd Parents. Those 4 for me and I'm sure many others helped make Nickelodeon what it was in the 2000s. But I disagree about the whole 90s get more representation than 2000s argument. Compared to 2010s the 90s were absolutely superior in every way. Seriously Chum Chum? What even is that? A drink? Back to the Barnyard? I didn't know that their was a cartoon beyond the movie.
Having roster cuts can sting hard…really hard, also you would’ve mentioned the possibility of 3rd party characters being included!!
This is incredibly well put. If they're lacking female characters so badly, My Life As A Teenage Robot is FULL OF THEM. GIVE ME NORA WAKEMAN!!!! I'd literally kill for Vexus or any of X-J9's sisters from my life as a teenage robot to make an appearance, also a character from As Told By Ginger would be terrific since it's such an underrated and extra hidden gem.
they could make Gir a separate character. He's not a girl, but it would add to the roster's list of robots. Zim's puppet character is awesome, but replace Gir with mini moose so he can be his own character.
So people want a Jimmy’s dad more than him to be in the game I don’t know why,
Hugh neutron is the best, but it still felt weird to not have Jimmy cause he's the main character, I wonder if he will return (Along side carl an sheen but I doubt it)
Thanks for responding😊
Ahh real monsters had perfect opportunity to be the pokemon trainer in this game.
If not then Rock Paper Scissors
If I don't see the cow from back to the barnyard in any of the games, I would be pissed
Am i the only one that got mad when they cut CatDog 😡🤬
They were one(?) of the most unique characters in the games and in Nicktoons in general. If they make a NASB 3, I’m crossing my fingers our boys will return! Also think about how nice they’d look with the smoother animation and art!
@clarenceandgennymcneil251 I know, just in general there one of my favorites and even tho alot of people find the show mid, I personally think there trippin cause it's really good ☺️ and yea they definitely need to be in the next game 100% 😄
@ I just started watching the show online last year. And while it’s not perfect, it’s pretty fun and witty and even heartwarming at times (I cried watching It’s A Wonderful Half-Life). The main character(s?) are just so chaotically lovable.
@clarenceandgennymcneil251 I know, the Characters especially Cat and Dog are so fun 😁
bro has beef with Garfield
They CAN put Timmy in video games still. Last year, they released a crossover tennis game for the Apple Arcade on mobile (Apple Arcade games tend to be a lot more quality than the typical App Store game) and guess who added for free in the game’s last character update? It was his first appearance in a game in forever, but it proves that they can add him to games. They also aren’t adverse to him seeing as he also appeared in Nick’s official Roblox destination, the Nickverse (yes, it is as weird as it sounds) also in 2022.
So… wtf Nick? Where is Timmy?
That tennis game was only released on the US
I really do think that NASB2 needs to do one thing, and it's listen to the fanbase. I say this as someone who loves stuff like Smash and Multiversus, both of which realized extreme deficits in something they were doing and found ways to remedy them. The former did stuff like assist trophies before finally saying 'screw it' and making an installment that throws everyone from past titles in and also new choices, both third party and not. Meanwhile, Multiversus straight up screwed the pooch when WB forced them to do things a certain way with the charging for DLC so they shut down with plans to reopen within the coming months. And both did one thing that Nick All Star Brawl didn't do, and it's have such varied, wild rosters that feel so absurdist and off the wall, but represent history for their respective basis, be it video games or Warner Bros. as a studio. Nick mostly just did the 90's and called it a day. And that kinda sucks.
I wish the roster was balanced with the eras. I'm still wishing for Timmy Turner to make it in the roster. I also want Tak to make the cut and base him on his appearence and personality from his first 3 games since those video games were better received than the show and because of nostalgia biases.
I also found it odd that modern franchises were very underrepresented in this game since a lot of 2000s to early 2010s Nick crossover games roster highly prioritzed shows that were airing on the channel at the time. I almost thought Brendar from a short lived series called "The Barbarian and the Troll" (it's a great watch BTW) made the cut during the first game's silhouette leak, but it was April.
I didn't mind Hugh's inclusion though. I find him as a fun character to play as.
I don't see why Nick shouldn't put Timmy in the game, considering the leaks showed Ember Mclain who is also voiced by Tara Strong who also voiced Timmy freaking Turner.
Let's hope Timmy gets reunited with Spongebob, Jimmy and Danny someday!
Nick doesn't fully own Fairly Oddparents internationally. And this game is of course releasing to the whole world so...
@@RioluJH So i made my point.
The 3 characters that I really want in is Otis, Timmy turner, and kitty katswell, they could all be fun, and if they're all dlc then I'm gonna be so hyped
Aside from being blatantly wrong about hugh neutron, the best character in the first game, and garfeild, I can kind of see the points for it, cus it seems like they really are just wanking off the 90s but then again the 90s were the best era of nickelodeon, coming from someone who grew up with the 2000s and whose favorite nick show is danny phantom. Them not doing much with the 2000s and 2010s i feel is also symbolic of nick barely doing anything with their shows in those eras aside from spongebob, that just may be me though. I personally don't see anything wrong with the roster, the best 2000s shows are represented anyway, the rest are kind of mid aside from fairly off parents but that show also fell off hard in the 2010s
That being said, timmy ain't never leaving that vault, he's gonna be cryogenically frozen forever while nickelodeon and whoever owns his rights fight to the death forever
Thank you for calling out the 2010's like everyone is talking about the 2000's💀
Tbh, the 2010's series were mostly weird or gross.
@@Pahiman12 ik I'm just nostalgic for it and it's under represented to😫
@@Pahiman12 Just like Cartoon Network. Or Disney TV Animation
The exclusion of Fanboy & Chum Chum still blows my mind, I didn’t even watch it that much growing up they just seem perfect for this game
I despised that show as a kid. Please don’t include them
lmao @ the ember part
i'm gonna be honest, I was very upset with the game for not acknowledging the 2000s shows as much, when mlaatr came, I was very complacent because it felt like the only character I really wanted, and afterwards I felt like I had nothing to complain about roster-wise outside of stating the weirder picks like ember and april. I think you're absolutely valid when you said "maybe me being upset stems from fairly odd parents not being represented", because I pretty much align there since mlaatr has a character. I have a big feeling that timmy is gonna be the final slot on the season pass, sorry man.
well this is starting to age like spoiled milk (at least the representative argument as we are getting jimmy and el tigre)
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4:33 I feel like you're forgetting something a magical girls showed came 2004 are fairies
Lol yeah I left out Winx Club and a couple other shows (namely Wayside, Pelswick, and the DreamWorks shows) since they were partially developed by other studios and not primarily Nickelodeon. Not that that rules them out from inclusion, but I wanted to be as conservative as possible when giving the list of shows that weren’t included to hopefully avoid comments about inflating that number.
@@TheCartoonBaffoon Nickelodeon made season 5 and season 6
Yeah, Winx is currently in the same boat as TMNT and Garfield rather than the one with the Dreamworks IPs
Please make an update with the leaked dlc
I was gonna… it came out really negative and unfun so I made it a community post instead. It’s the most recent one so it should be easy to find.