So much wisdom. And I think it is cool that people like Ryan and others are there to help people troubleshoot systems more than just the optics. You would be suprised, just like Ryan said, how many rifles do not have any of the torque on the action screws that you need. In fact, some stock designs are just a problem. I love Mossberg and I have 4 units from them. But the Patriot .308 is in an MDT LSS gen 2 chassis, the Patriot Predator 7 mm PRC is in an Oryx. In those, I can get to the required 60 in-lbs of torque. The synth stocks have a gap in the rear action screw guide and the magazine is also a shim and you can never get enough torque. And yes, more than once, I have communicated this to Mossberg. No results. So, yeah, check the action screws, Check the torque on the rail screws. Or single ring mounts, if that is what you are doing. Finally, check torque on the ring screws. And for this, I really must thank the guys at Vortex for helping me to step away from the glue method. When you put that stuff on, it is liquid and your torque will be off. Then, later, if you need to change optics, the torque will be off because the glue residue is going to throw off the torque measurement. Step away from the loctite. Also, choose an optic that does not need thread locker. I have some units from a competing brand that I have tried and their turrets are set with allen-head set screws. Which have backed out from vibration on a range day. Leave it overnight or a week in the gun cabinet and the turret spins freely. And their suggestion was thread locker. Here is how many times I have had to use thread locker on a Vortex optic - zero times. I clean to get rid of dirt but not copper. And then I finish with 3 patches of gun oil for the barrel. And grease for the bolt and lugs.
I have really come to enjoy these 10min talks like this over random topics!!! I like that y’all do it in such a way that it’s entertaining even while listening to just audio.
Bought a brand new Bergara HMR Pro in .308 3 years ago. Was an order from my local shop. Could not get the thing to shoot under 2" after a proper pre clean, 20 round break in and 4 different types of ammo. Online forum suggested I check action screws. They were over torqued by 40" pounds. Long story short, my local shop cranked them down thinking he was doing a good thing. My error in not checking. After proper torque, rifle shot really really well. Found a good handload that shoots lights out. Crazy how that simple snafu caused a nice rifle to shoot like a scatter gun.
My bought my son a Nosler 48 in the 28 Nosler and he loves it! Had taken a bear and several deer with it! I have been using Nosler bullets 60+ years and my father used them when they first came out since one of his best friends was a friend of John Nosler in the 50’s
Great video guys.one thing everyone drops the ball on.no iron sights I would never consider taking a rifle hunting that had nò sights.you save a couple years get your elk license and book your hunt.you fly your scope is damaged .guide says nò problem here is my 338 win.wait 270 is about max for recoil I can handle.bad things do happen I'm not recoil sensitive but many people cant
One other important thing is to put a couple bases in the holes for the scope mounts and make sure they are aligned. I've seen some with those scope mounting holes off slightly and it's a big deal to get it fixed.
I love the old more European style irons low comb whithbraised cheeks piece..however a prone shooting rifle should be built totally different...idk how a company is gonna put a medium heavy barrel on a low almost dropped comb stock
Ahmen, on action screw torque. I have a Ruger American in 308 (not new but new to me) that couldn't get under Four MOA. I was going to sell it. Then I read that the actions screws should be at 60-80 inch pounds (alot on these rifles). My wrench goes to 75 so I set them at that number. Now the gun shoots 0.5 MOA!
I had to message the manufacturer about action screw torque and they said for my action it was 45 and not 65 as stated. Anything higher, it started to bind the action no matter what sequence you used.
I had always thought the screws came properly torqued on new rifles, but after a few years of buying a new rifle each year, i slowly came to the realization that none of them were properly torqued. I 1st noticed it in the scope rings, and learned to have those torqued right off the batt. Then last fall, a few weeks before hunting season, while doing some final load development, my action came loose in my stock, after a few years of owning and shooting it. The timing was really bad, but i fortunately had just enough time to reset all of the screws on all my rifles, and still harvest a mule deer. So, yeah, I no longer belive anything gets torqued by the factory.
Just bought a practically new tikka super light. Removed the scope and mounted a vortex! Then checked the action screws. All were way too lose. Probably 20” lbs too light
Questioning how much a muzzle break affects thin walled carbon fiber barrels? Can over torque of the break twist the thin walled metal part of the barrel? Most carbon barreled rifles have breaks to help reduce recoil, on the light weight rifle. I may be asking this question more as something to consider.
I built myself a rifle on a M700 style LA action. Everything works great except it is difficult to load the BDL magazine. When I do get it loaded, it feeds like a champ. The spring tension seems to strong. I used the recommended torque on stock. Would it be dumb to trim the spring to reduce tension.
I didn't realise how easy it is at first and was scared of damaging my chassis (MDT XRS)... eventually just tried it on the rear one and man... it's so much nicer without them on!
Please can you do a video on effects of inconsistent rifle mount. How it effects the eye with the optic and the point of impact shift. My rifle shoots great for me but my friend is all over the place. Or is he just trying to make me think his rifle is better. 😂. Thanks
I was wondering if it was necessary to clean the tikka barrel out of the box since they shoot them 3 times at the factory. I just went straight to the range with it and it shot 1" groups with norma ammo right out of the box
During shipping there are many things that could get in the barrel, but also there is a ton of grease and oil on it, to protect it from rust and such. It's good practice to clean any new firearm, even if it's 2nd hand.
You Wana see a rifle ready to hunt. That won't break the bank. That's actually obtainable by normal working guys or gals. Check out the WEATHERBY VANGUARD TALON, comes in several cal. You won't find nor can you build a better rifle for that amount of $. I've tried , not possible to build with the exact components for the price weatherby offers the vanguard talon
@@chadillac95 yes they do the machine work , but there made to lil higher standards then regular howas. weatherby does the assembly and do a better fit n finish, stock fit , better thicker cerakote, tighter tolerances on the bolt ,& receiver , lapping of the bolt, Ect. Japan made Howas and the browning x bolt rifles are great . Best made rifles in the market for the $ spent in my opinion and many others that have sampled them all. The vanguard weatherguard and talon are always at the top of most for value of dollar spent.
So much wisdom. And I think it is cool that people like Ryan and others are there to help people troubleshoot systems more than just the optics.
You would be suprised, just like Ryan said, how many rifles do not have any of the torque on the action screws that you need. In fact, some stock designs are just a problem. I love Mossberg and I have 4 units from them. But the Patriot .308 is in an MDT LSS gen 2 chassis, the Patriot Predator 7 mm PRC is in an Oryx. In those, I can get to the required 60 in-lbs of torque. The synth stocks have a gap in the rear action screw guide and the magazine is also a shim and you can never get enough torque. And yes, more than once, I have communicated this to Mossberg. No results.
So, yeah, check the action screws, Check the torque on the rail screws. Or single ring mounts, if that is what you are doing. Finally, check torque on the ring screws. And for this, I really must thank the guys at Vortex for helping me to step away from the glue method. When you put that stuff on, it is liquid and your torque will be off. Then, later, if you need to change optics, the torque will be off because the glue residue is going to throw off the torque measurement. Step away from the loctite.
Also, choose an optic that does not need thread locker. I have some units from a competing brand that I have tried and their turrets are set with allen-head set screws. Which have backed out from vibration on a range day. Leave it overnight or a week in the gun cabinet and the turret spins freely. And their suggestion was thread locker.
Here is how many times I have had to use thread locker on a Vortex optic - zero times.
I clean to get rid of dirt but not copper. And then I finish with 3 patches of gun oil for the barrel. And grease for the bolt and lugs.
I have really come to enjoy these 10min talks like this over random topics!!! I like that y’all do it in such a way that it’s entertaining even while listening to just audio.
Bought a brand new Bergara HMR Pro in .308 3 years ago. Was an order from my local shop. Could not get the thing to shoot under 2" after a proper pre clean, 20 round break in and 4 different types of ammo. Online forum suggested I check action screws. They were over torqued by 40" pounds. Long story short, my local shop cranked them down thinking he was doing a good thing. My error in not checking. After proper torque, rifle shot really really well. Found a good handload that shoots lights out. Crazy how that simple snafu caused a nice rifle to shoot like a scatter gun.
My bought my son a Nosler 48 in the 28 Nosler and he loves it! Had taken a bear and several deer with it! I have been using Nosler bullets 60+ years and my father used them when they first came out since one of his best friends was a friend of John Nosler in the 50’s
I really like how you gentlemen can bring me back to the basics and teach me great fundamentals to practice. Thank you.
great video
Love these discussions guys .
Great video guys.one thing everyone drops the ball on.no iron sights
I would never consider taking a rifle hunting that had nò sights.you save a couple years get your elk license and book your hunt.you fly your scope is damaged .guide says nò problem here is my 338 win.wait 270 is about max for recoil I can handle.bad things do happen
I'm not recoil sensitive but many people cant
One other important thing is to put a couple bases in the holes for the scope mounts and make sure they are aligned. I've seen some with those scope mounting holes off slightly and it's a big deal to get it fixed.
A modern rifle, with no iron sights, that has a low cheek height ... Caused covid
I love the old more European style irons low comb whithbraised cheeks piece..however a prone shooting rifle should be built totally different...idk how a company is gonna put a medium heavy barrel on a low almost dropped comb stock
Ahmen, on action screw torque. I have a Ruger American in 308 (not new but new to me) that couldn't get under Four MOA. I was going to sell it. Then I read that the actions screws should be at 60-80 inch pounds (alot on these rifles). My wrench goes to 75 so I set them at that number. Now the gun shoots 0.5 MOA!
I had to message the manufacturer about action screw torque and they said for my action it was 45 and not 65 as stated. Anything higher, it started to bind the action no matter what sequence you used.
I had always thought the screws came properly torqued on new rifles, but after a few years of buying a new rifle each year, i slowly came to the realization that none of them were properly torqued. I 1st noticed it in the scope rings, and learned to have those torqued right off the batt. Then last fall, a few weeks before hunting season, while doing some final load development, my action came loose in my stock, after a few years of owning and shooting it. The timing was really bad, but i fortunately had just enough time to reset all of the screws on all my rifles, and still harvest a mule deer. So, yeah, I no longer belive anything gets torqued by the factory.
I too will sign the petition to raise the combs
Just bought a practically new tikka super light. Removed the scope and mounted a vortex! Then checked the action screws. All were way too lose. Probably 20” lbs too light
Questioning how much a muzzle break affects thin walled carbon fiber barrels? Can over torque of the break twist the thin walled metal part of the barrel?
Most carbon barreled rifles have breaks to help reduce recoil, on the light weight rifle. I may be asking this question more as something to consider.
I built myself a rifle on a M700 style LA action. Everything works great except it is difficult to load the BDL magazine. When I do get it loaded, it feeds like a champ. The spring tension seems to strong. I used the recommended torque on stock. Would it be dumb to trim the spring to reduce tension.
Another tip I have found over the years is taking off those damn swivel studs, total accuracy killers.
I didn't realise how easy it is at first and was scared of damaging my chassis (MDT XRS)... eventually just tried it on the rear one and man... it's so much nicer without them on!
When we getting the episode about the spam collection on the wall? #spamshootout
#raisethecomb
Please can you do a video on effects of inconsistent rifle mount. How it effects the eye with the optic and the point of impact shift. My rifle shoots great for me but my friend is all over the place. Or is he just trying to make me think his rifle is better. 😂. Thanks
I was wondering if it was necessary to clean the tikka barrel out of the box since they shoot them 3 times at the factory. I just went straight to the range with it and it shot 1" groups with norma ammo right out of the box
I cleaned a brand new Tikka a few days ago before I went to the range and mine shot one inch with cheap Federal Powershok 150 and 180 grain.
Clean all new rifles or handguns. Often times there are loads of packing grease and other crap in the chamber
During shipping there are many things that could get in the barrel, but also there is a ton of grease and oil on it, to protect it from rust and such.
It's good practice to clean any new firearm, even if it's 2nd hand.
@@TikkaT3x .308?
@jacobthomas933 30-06. There was a little burned powder in the barrel but I couldn't see any grease residue.
Ryan lets hear about that new Tikka.
Raised Combs Save MOA
You Wana see a rifle ready to hunt. That won't break the bank. That's actually obtainable by normal working guys or gals. Check out the WEATHERBY VANGUARD TALON, comes in several cal. You won't find nor can you build a better rifle for that amount of $. I've tried , not possible to build with the exact components for the price weatherby offers the vanguard talon
Savage axis is a great choice
Savage 110 or if on a real budget ruger American
Howa makes the weatherby vanguard and howa really does make a damn good rifle
@@lukea2806 they shoot ok, but the rest meh
@@chadillac95 yes they do the machine work , but there made to lil higher standards then regular howas. weatherby does the assembly and do a better fit n finish, stock fit , better thicker cerakote, tighter tolerances on the bolt ,& receiver , lapping of the bolt, Ect. Japan made Howas and the browning x bolt rifles are great . Best made rifles in the market for the $ spent in my opinion and many others that have sampled them all. The vanguard weatherguard and talon are always at the top of most for value of dollar spent.
#raisethecomb