Chinatown commentary track, Robert Towne and David Fincher

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  • Опубликовано: 10 окт 2014
  • Screenwriter Robert Towne along with enthusiast of the film director David Fincher live-commentate Roman Polanski's Chinatown(1974)

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  • @rollerhockey69king87
    @rollerhockey69king87 2 года назад +29

    Better than a year of film school.

  • @rsavage42
    @rsavage42 11 месяцев назад +18

    Towne is just one of the great film writers.

  • @billding7073
    @billding7073 9 лет назад +114

    "The futility of good intentions." Towne capsulizes the films intent perfectly.

    • @RalphDratman
      @RalphDratman 6 лет назад +7

      What a lesson for today's sad world.

    • @KutWrite
      @KutWrite 5 лет назад +9

      That, and the frustration with bureaucracies.

    • @makeit7579
      @makeit7579 5 лет назад +3

      Yes he does !

    • @rishieastwood7696
      @rishieastwood7696 3 года назад +5

      Art shows the truth. Fact is ..world is amoral.

    • @dotsyjmaher
      @dotsyjmaher Год назад

      "Good intentions" is not what happened in Chinatown...
      Jake BROKE HIS BALLS to save them...KNOWING he could be killed at any point....THAT IS REAL HEROISM...AND he was looking at redeeming his own past ...
      where he got crushed by crooks in the past and believed the MOTHERF*CKERS could not be beaten...
      But...
      as this insanity developed...he ALMOST could not resist becoming involved in "the good fight" again....
      Unable to remember his post police Dept cynicism...JUST SUDDENLY ..LIKE A CAT SEEING RAT...RESPONDS WITH INSTINCT NOT RATIONALITY...

  • @samfilmkid
    @samfilmkid 8 лет назад +93

    You know usually Fincher is the most collected guy in the room, so it's fun to listen to him geeking out.

  • @apduvall
    @apduvall 8 лет назад +140

    Fincher could do a commentary to any movie and I'd listen

    • @FrancoisDressler
      @FrancoisDressler 6 лет назад +5

      Spielberg doesn't do commentaries. Never has.

    • @kylewhytonen
      @kylewhytonen 5 лет назад +10

      I love all of Fincher’s commentaries. His voice is so relaxing and he is such a great speaker and storyteller.

    • @emmanuelfrancisco9307
      @emmanuelfrancisco9307 2 года назад

      A trick : watch series at flixzone. Been using them for watching all kinds of movies recently.

    • @pedroares8773
      @pedroares8773 2 года назад

      @Emmanuel Francisco yup, I have been using Flixzone} for months myself =)

    • @thiagophilip4144
      @thiagophilip4144 2 года назад

      @Emmanuel Francisco yup, been watching on Flixzone} for years myself :)

  • @TotzkeMike
    @TotzkeMike 3 года назад +33

    My absolute favourite movie. Perfection. Every element works beautifully.

  • @Neil-ru7kw
    @Neil-ru7kw 6 дней назад

    I'm 74 and in the '50s-'65 my folks and I would go the pt fermin park . I got a coke from walkers many times . Later in my 20s-40s also . The fact that it is in my fav movie just makes it sweeter 👍 p.s. We would scramble down to the rocky shore and sometimes divers were bringing up abalone and my dad would buy 3 or 4 . Love them ❤

  • @reallyhappenings5597
    @reallyhappenings5597 11 месяцев назад +4

    What a treasure, insights that make perfect sense once pointed out to me

  • @louisemoore7715
    @louisemoore7715 5 месяцев назад +3

    Noah Cross/John Huston was the most evil characterization that I ever saw on screen....a brilliant movie!!!

  • @lemorab1
    @lemorab1 6 лет назад +48

    Thank you for posting this. I saw Chinatown in 1974 on its first night in theaters, before the public knew anything about it, and maybe before reviews had come out. I'll never forget seeing this for the first time, misreading clues along with Gittes, and completely shocked by Evelyn's secret and the ending. It took several minutes to work out that Katherine was from a father/daughter rape, so unusual was incest as a theme in a mainstream film at that time. One week before, I watched the trailer and felt little anticipation. I thought, oh Jack Nicholson is doing his Bogart imitation in a period piece movie. But, that homage set up the audience to be beguiled right up to the denoument. In Philip Marlowe's universe, the good guy got the girl, wrongs were righted, the bad guys got punished, and the world remained right side up. Or so we thought. I was hoping that Towne would mention the film location for Gittes' drive through the avocado or orange grove, being ambushed, and then being rescued by Evelyn. It's set in the western San Fernando Valley, but the only intact ranch from 90 years ago, that I know of, is the Orcutt Ranch on Roscoe Blvd. in what is now West Hills or Chatsworth. Does anyone know where that sequence was actually filmed? Thanks.

    • @lemorab1
      @lemorab1 6 лет назад +5

      According to the IMDB, that scene in the orange grove is filmed at Walter Brennan's old ranch in Moorpark, CA on Sunset Valley Drive. I think Brennan was alive at the time.

    • @jefdarcy
      @jefdarcy 9 месяцев назад

      "In Philip Marlowe's universe, the good guy got the girl, wrongs were righted, the bad guys got punished, and the world remained right side up." - Is that so? Tragic endings were one of the main characteristics of film noirs. The Chinatown ending is a classic film noir ending and was nothing new in 1974. Actually, many mainstream movies back then didn't have a happy ending.

    • @obasaz4904
      @obasaz4904 9 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@jefdarcyWhile tragic endings occur in classic film noir, they do not occur in the Phillip Marlowe film adaptations in the 1940s (or 1950s, if they exist). Nevertheless, Chinatown is clearly a revisionist detective film, much like The Long Goodbye (1973).

  • @SM-gl8yo
    @SM-gl8yo 3 года назад +25

    1:45 Lovely words about the Goldsmith score. Agreed this is his finest work. I saw this film twice in a first run theater and the score is so haunting, such an exquisite part of the film that I couldn't quite hum it after leaving. "The solo trumpet has such a mournful, lonely quality..." perfectly stated!

    • @bkynbiker19
      @bkynbiker19 2 года назад +6

      First soundtrack I ever bought - I was 15. I saw it on Oscar night and when Towne won later on, watching it at home I commented as he went down the aisle "Oh, that's that music that I liked!"

    • @dotsyjmaher
      @dotsyjmaher Год назад +3

      One of the most staggering scores EVER...
      right up there with "Laura" ,
      "Cinema Paradiso", "Schindler's List", and
      "Un Homme et une Femme."

    • @vicvega3614
      @vicvega3614 Месяц назад +2

      ​@@dotsyjmaherCape Fear (remake), There will be blood, but Chinatown is the best ever

  • @stevechalker3283
    @stevechalker3283 5 лет назад +22

    I love how much of a fan Fincher is of this movie. Chinatown is my favorite movie.

  • @ridd22
    @ridd22 9 лет назад +60

    Fincher is so great at commentaries, funny, erudite and passionate. No slouch as a director either!

    • @kaylouisecook366
      @kaylouisecook366 2 года назад

      but no film clips for me! just the soundtrack!terrible!

    • @Lucky-sh1dm
      @Lucky-sh1dm Год назад +2

      @@kaylouisecook366 copyrights exist bruh

  • @tomlewis4748
    @tomlewis4748 Год назад +2

    Well, now I have to see it again-for the fourteenth time. No movie has ever come close to moving me the way Chinatown has. Nothing even begins to compare.

  • @NickJovic23
    @NickJovic23 9 лет назад +59

    This is great, Polanski's framing was always kind of weird to me and Fincher really goes out of his way trying to explain the genius of Polanski.

    • @leoquesto9183
      @leoquesto9183 3 года назад +17

      Polanski's framing has always seemed natural, definitely idiosyncratic, but right to me. Actually, in anamorphic, with its numerous technical challenges, and especially this era, Polanski's framing is phenomenal.

    • @FrancoisDressler
      @FrancoisDressler 2 года назад +1

      @@leoquesto9183 It's truly genius level which is a word I don't use often.

  • @corbinmarkey466
    @corbinmarkey466 4 года назад +21

    Glad everyone knows Fincher enough to know that this is slightly out of character for him, to be such a dork in front of Robert Towne. Count the amount of times he says something is great or perfect. Can we all also agree that this is one of the top tier film commentaries of all time?

  • @Mataharifilms
    @Mataharifilms 7 лет назад +27

    Many thanks for posting, this is gold.

  • @RobbieMcKane
    @RobbieMcKane 9 лет назад +14

    Such a valuable resource, my sincere thanks.

  • @visuellemontage
    @visuellemontage 6 лет назад +13

    best filmschool you can learn from; covering all aspects of movie making!

  • @randykarnell9980
    @randykarnell9980 5 лет назад +7

    This is just priceless.
    ...

  • @LargoGabriel
    @LargoGabriel 8 лет назад +6

    Thank you! Amazing upload.

  • @chel3SEY
    @chel3SEY 4 года назад +3

    This is fascinating and wonderful. Thanks so much for posting.

  • @Ballsarama
    @Ballsarama 8 лет назад +42

    I've noticed several online references to Nicholson's character, J.J."Jake" Gittes as a "seedy" PI. Jake dresses pretty natty for a seedy PI. Although people dressed more formally in the '30's, Gittes is obvious a cut above with cream colored suits that have split panels in the back, cigarette holder, and his monogram on his pajamas and shirts. Also, his office is pretty well appointed (newly installed wooden blinds) and he is making enough (in the Depression) to have a secretary and two other investigators...I'd say he is of a higher class of investigator...also coming out of the police and doing special investigative work for the D.A.(a point his friend back in the police force, Lt. Escobar makes note of: "You've done well by yourself.") And notice the comparison to the detectives grey suit (especially Escobar's wing man Loach) outfits and Jakes threads. All-in-all, hardly a cheap dick gumshoe flatfoot with tabacco stains on his teeth, tomato stains on his shirt and tie, thin shoe leather, and a shiny backside on his britches.

    • @robcochran6213
      @robcochran6213 4 года назад +11

      Don't forget the goddamn Florshem shoes.

    • @larryparis925
      @larryparis925 3 года назад +2

      To Ballsarama: Yes! Yes... well put.

    • @davmpls
      @davmpls 3 года назад +3

      Writers are lazy and the internet is loaded with pasted cliches. He's not seedy. Correct. Those writers are seedy.

    • @Ballsarama
      @Ballsarama 3 года назад +1

      @@robcochran6213 Yes!

    • @mortalclown3812
      @mortalclown3812 3 года назад

      Hope you're a writer. This was quite good. 🙌

  • @veritas6335
    @veritas6335 Год назад +3

    It's wonderful to listen to Towne's reminiscences of his own Los Angeles history and upbringing as well as his experiences writing Chinatown as well as during the production of the film. The serendipitous and felicitous combination of a superb script by a supremely talented and skilled writer, A-list director, actors and production designer, plus the at-once seedy, glamorous and depraved setting of early Los Angeles, (not much changed, may I add) superbly rendered, has not been equaled since. Indeed, Chinatown is the first time this particular synastry has been achieved on film since Casablanca, with the possible exception of The Godfather.

  • @user-xr8rb1it4l
    @user-xr8rb1it4l 6 лет назад +32

    Jerry Goldsmith was modeling his solo trumpet theme after Copeland's "Quiet City" solo trumpet, to show contrast in depicting a not quiet LA in the story. Some of Fincher's comments are insightful, but I'd rather have heard Towne speak a lot. My favorite movie of all time. I can recite the script verbatim from Curly's moaning to "Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown." Thanks so much for posting.

    • @TheEleatic
      @TheEleatic 3 года назад +8

      It's a masterpiece. Artists are not necessarily the best interpreters of their own creations. Psychoanalytic theory suggests that the artistic process involves the artist's unconscious.

    • @reallyhappenings5597
      @reallyhappenings5597 11 месяцев назад

      Ah, Quiet City! Interesting influence, makes sense, thank you.

  • @madhawasamarawickrama1522
    @madhawasamarawickrama1522 3 года назад +2

    Brilliant!!!

  • @spooksmagee
    @spooksmagee 6 лет назад +10

    What a brilliant commentary. Thank you for uploading this.

  • @po7ta
    @po7ta Год назад

    Thanks for the upload!

  • @omg9261
    @omg9261 4 месяца назад

    Thank you so much for uploading this! 🧡🔥

  • @scientifico
    @scientifico 3 года назад +7

    I had to cue up another streaming site with this one but it was worth it. Like a masterclass private screening. Now lets head over to The Ivy for a late supper fellas. I hear they've got stone crabs as a special!

  • @CaminoAir
    @CaminoAir 9 лет назад +26

    I didn't know this commentary existed. Thank you for posting it. The great thing (among others) about the script is that it all seems so complicated for so long and then the revelation allows all the elements of the plot to fall into place. You wouldn't have to see 'Chinatown' again to understand the plot, but you could equally watch it again to see how it was all achieved. I also really like that as smart and street-wise Gittes is, he still keeps putting the pieces together and coming to the wrong conclusions (understandably), or miscalculating the final confrontation.

    • @lindaburdick7237
      @lindaburdick7237 9 лет назад +6

      ***** Ah, Gittes keeps missing his points because he betrayed himself as the discreet detective and became her lover...the same mistake he made in Chinatown ... he would have found the glasses the first time if he wan't overcome by his sexual desire for the woman, his hermatia; the ending is fantastic as it works through everyone's POV based upon the information and judgements they make about the situation...everyone was wrong and the bad guy gets away with the girl...albeit his daughter...which raises a lot of questions as a twist. I speak about the screenplay...they didn't depict the original ending of the screenplay in the film.

    • @CaminoAir
      @CaminoAir 9 лет назад

      Linda Burdick
      Those are very interesting points. I did read that the Towne script ended with Evelyn and Catherine being driven to Mexico and Cross being frustrated on that point at least.

    • @lindaburdick7237
      @lindaburdick7237 9 лет назад +1

      ***** Gittes wants to be the hero but couldn't become one; he oversteps his limits and created a situation where he wan't helping her by just serving his own inner need because he is jealous of Escobar. His behavior is a repeat of what they previously experienced in Chinatown and he has not learned anything from it.

    • @lindaburdick7237
      @lindaburdick7237 9 лет назад

      ***** I respectfully disagree as Gittes' inner motivations trump the broken light/vision allegory within film analysis. The screenwriter proves his character arc doesn't grow. He can see, and it is determined within the first five pages of the script that Gittes values the discreet ways he has vision in a superior way that others do not. Towne didn't intend for this allegory you speak about. he even says that, so hhis thoughts are also primarily upon Gittes' inner and outer motivations.

    • @lindaburdick7237
      @lindaburdick7237 9 лет назад +1

      ***** He is not a hero, but wants that. He fails because once again, he chose it...that's the difference. The glasses etc serve as a metaphor if you so choose, as you like, the metaphor doesn't make him choose anything. It's not a lack of vision, it's pride etc. an inner conflict, a flaw; I can't use metaphors to describe and write in a protagonists actions and choices as a screenwriter. He acts, he does, he chooses, or not. His inner conflict and flaw is not lack of vision. There is no such thing as that for a hermatia, it's one of the seven deadly sins and actions rooted within them. Jealousy, lust, and pride rule this guy and he needs to overcome those inner conflicts in order to become the hero.He does not overcome any of them. I hope this clarifies the point of dinstinction between the two.

  • @ArgoLupus
    @ArgoLupus 2 года назад +4

    Just synced this to Netflix (turning the sound off), and it's perfect! thank you!

  • @nursegrace7492
    @nursegrace7492 5 лет назад +19

    Freaky to think Ali MacGraw almost played Evelyn. Her husband was the producer. They dodged a bullet, there.

    • @rhineruder
      @rhineruder 3 года назад +1

      jane fonda was up for the part but backed out because she didn’t understand the role of evelyn

    • @veritas6335
      @veritas6335 Год назад +1

      Ho ho ho. How right you are. McGraw was just a terrible actress - she ruined every movie she was in, she was so bad. Thank god she wasn't in this one.

  • @sandymartin2904
    @sandymartin2904 Год назад

    One of my favorite movies ever. BEAUTIFULLY done and the score is fantastic. Acting is spot-on and screenplay is superb. It captures a time and place and events. Wishing Roman Polanski was able to still make movies in this country. He has exceptional talent.

  • @MagnumDB
    @MagnumDB 7 лет назад +11

    In the US, if you only have the original Paramount Home Entertainment version, or only the Paramount Collector's edition of this film on DVD than you don't have this commentary track. It's only on the Paramount 2-disc CENTENNIAL edition. And if you don't have any other edition from another country you don't have this soundtrack.
    So if all you have is a version on DVD without the commentary, you can rip the DVD to your computer and then download this commentary track as an audio file.
    Then you can play BOTH in VLC Media Player simultaneously and switch between the commentary or just regular film audio.
    Film> Advanced Open File> Choose the Chinatown video file as the movie then check the "Play another media synchronously" box to select this audio track!

  • @ReviewnRants74
    @ReviewnRants74 9 лет назад +21

    It's great to hear fincher go on about the technical stuff. Towne hardly recalls anything. (Reasonably so)

  • @omg9261
    @omg9261 4 месяца назад

    I'm definetely gonna watch the movie on my Ipad while listening to the commentary on my phone 🧡🔥

  • @larryparis925
    @larryparis925 3 года назад +10

    If you appreciate this film, this commentary is very insightful. One of THE great films of 20th Century American film. 2:04:25: “…Chinatown is not a place you can actually go to, 'cause it's a state of mind.”

  • @omg9261
    @omg9261 4 месяца назад

    Oh my god, this is so cool. A director whom I like a lot discusses in depth a movie I like a lot 🧡🔥

  • @Neil-ru7kw
    @Neil-ru7kw Месяц назад

    #2 on my list of fav films #1 being Dr. Zhivago . #3 The Two JAKES , #4 Once Upon A Time In The West .

  • @thegrimyeaper
    @thegrimyeaper 2 года назад

    I just bought the Blu-Ray here in Norway and it doesn't have this track for some reason. So thanks for this!

  • @veritas6335
    @veritas6335 2 года назад +7

    The film is truly superb and this would have been nicer if we had heard more from Robert Towne, although he does talk quite a bit about Chinatown in his long interview with the Writers Guild, which you can find on RUclips. This is mostly Fincher gushing on and on about how much he loves everything, but it does serve to illustrate the craftsmanship of filmmaking and the finer points of creating movie magic. The tragedy of filmmaking today is that none of the talentless corporate entity bureaucrats that produce films would ever make a movie like this. The only ideas they can come up with are that the world needs more cartoon movies. Yawn.

    • @emanuelediiorio-gp7wl
      @emanuelediiorio-gp7wl 11 месяцев назад +1

      The tragedy of filmmaking today is that not only the producers bust most directors and the majority of the audience are visual illiterates.

  • @wetigaz
    @wetigaz 2 года назад

    just want to say thanks to the uploaded for disabling ads on this!

  • @peterp2626
    @peterp2626 7 лет назад +3

    I haven't even seen the film but I loved listening to this.

    • @tuanjim799
      @tuanjim799 7 лет назад +10

      The film is amazing. I remember being a little kid and hearing adults talk about it occasionally, and cryptically reference the famous, "Forget it, Jake...." line at the end. At that age of course I was like, "Why the hell do they care so much about this movie," ya know, kinda one of those movies with a lot of subtlety, slow build-up, tons of scenes of just dialogue, not a whole lot of showy/sensational scenes, so not something little kids usually "get." Hell, I know plenty of adults who wouldn't be able to sit through it without getting bored (which, believe me, is a mark against those people, not the film). Now it's hands-down one of my all-time favorite films, definitely a "desert island pick."

    • @ppuh6tfrz646
      @ppuh6tfrz646 4 года назад +1

      @Peter P Why would you listen to an audio commentary for a film you haven't seen??

  • @michaelallport5816
    @michaelallport5816 7 лет назад +5

    Ida Sessions crib-848 E. Kenigston Road-Echo Park
    El Mocando 1400-1414 Haverhurst Dr-West Hollywood

  • @ceee_deee_beee2781
    @ceee_deee_beee2781 2 месяца назад

    The opening notes of this. Over the title work but man oh man.

  • @michaelallport5816
    @michaelallport5816 9 лет назад +6

    Great. I do not need the images, they are there in my mind!-Misha Allport-Fortaleza, Brasil

  • @dougo891
    @dougo891 3 года назад

    Phillip Lambro was the original composer, and some of the score is available on CD

  • @blueonblack83
    @blueonblack83 2 года назад +1

    1:01:30 Tarantino does that in his movies, and the food always looks very delicious. That whole strudel scene in Inglorious Basterds, for example.

  • @veritas6335
    @veritas6335 2 года назад +5

    TACK ROOM for Gods sake. Not a "tackle room." Fishermen have tackle. Not horsemen.

  • @JJJJJVVVVVLLLLL
    @JJJJJVVVVVLLLLL 3 года назад +2

    2 very similar sounding voices

  • @bkynbiker19
    @bkynbiker19 2 года назад +2

    Surprising to hear Fincher say he's never been able to find Ida's bungalow court and he assumed it was long gone, because the address is on IMDB, and I've googled it and used the maps function, toggling up and down the street. It's there, and looks the same pretty much although the surrounding blocks are quite changed. I wish I knew how to contact him to let him know how easily he could find it.

    • @hippityhoppityw
      @hippityhoppityw 5 месяцев назад

      This commentary is from a criterion collection release from like 12 years ago so idk

  • @veritas6335
    @veritas6335 Год назад +4

    FYI, Fincher, it is not unusual for the TACK room on a wealthy man's ranch to have seating, such as chairs or a loveseat. Riders like to sit and relax with friends when they may be in dusty clothes or muddy boots after riding. Fincher thinks with such a pedestrian, in-the-box mind. How he ever got in the film business is astounding.

  • @irish66
    @irish66 9 лет назад +9

    I'm listening and am at the eating scene commentary. I find it interesting what Fincher (who I don't find in the least bit pretentious) says about eating in Hollywood movies. I was of the same opinion myself. It's so different than what you see in asian movies or tv dramas, To be honest, I'm not always quiet sure who is talking. To me, their voices are quiet similar. But I'm guessing from the comments, it's mostly Fincher. Before this, I listened to the point blank commentary, between Boorman and Soderbergh which is more two sided.

    • @KutWrite
      @KutWrite 5 лет назад +1

      ...and what a great movie THAT was!

    • @veritas6335
      @veritas6335 Год назад +2

      Francis Ford Coppola includes eating scenes in all his Godfather movies, and cooking scenes too. He makes a point of doing so, and to great effect. (See his lengthy Godfather commentaries, also on RUclips.). So why Fincher carries on so about filmmakers "avoiding" eating scenes is peculiar. I'm not sure it's true. There's a memorable restaurant scene in "When Harry Met Sally" - remember "I'll have what she's having".?? -As a matter fact more than one eating scene in that film. Several eating moments in Miss Congeniality." A great many eating scenes/dinner parties over the course of Downton Abbey. More than one in "The English Patient." Westerns frequently have chuck wagon scenes. I could go on. Of course the moronic cartoon character movies Hollywood comes out with these days don't have eating scenes - cartoon characters don't eat.

  • @ironmanjakarta8601
    @ironmanjakarta8601 7 лет назад +9

    "I cant remember his [the original composers] name." Hahahahahaha.

  • @gfmmi
    @gfmmi Год назад +1

    Fincher remarks that Jake is always reading the newspaper but isn’t it always a racing form?

  • @gonstotwriter
    @gonstotwriter 3 года назад +3

    I saw this movie when I was 12 years old. Didn't understand any of it; glad I wasn't the only one. LOL

    • @jillsmcfarland2001
      @jillsmcfarland2001 3 года назад +1

      Nwo and their archons are the actors in real life

    • @veritas6335
      @veritas6335 2 года назад +3

      Not surprising. NOT a film for a 12-year old!

  • @fredolae2819
    @fredolae2819 3 года назад +4

    What studio head today would "suggest a trumpet as a leitmotif"

  • @lindaburdick7237
    @lindaburdick7237 9 лет назад

    Have you read the spec script?

  • @jimgillin8015
    @jimgillin8015 6 лет назад +3

    Tack Room, tackle room is fishing equipment, not uncommon to have seating for putting on English riding boots.

    • @veritas6335
      @veritas6335 Год назад +1

      Fincher's lack of familiarity with upper class life is all over his remarks. He often sounds like some goofus from the sticks. As is his ignorance of history or anything that happened before he was born.

  • @makeit7579
    @makeit7579 5 лет назад +3

    Mr. Fincher please please remake your remake of The Illustrated Man.

    • @makeit7579
      @makeit7579 5 лет назад +1

      "Tell me about it on the way to to San Pietreio."

  • @mcleodmichael1
    @mcleodmichael1 5 месяцев назад

    sticks with me. almost wish it didn't.

  • @lynnturman8157
    @lynnturman8157 3 года назад +3

    Remember when you'd go to Blockbuster & rent or buy a movie that had tons of special features including commentaries from the filmmakers? Who are the morons who decided they would rather stream a movie on their phone? I want names!!

  • @teeniebeenie8774
    @teeniebeenie8774 6 лет назад +1

    bummer they dint have inset showin the movie as they speak.
    too radio.

  • @keshavbhanu5788
    @keshavbhanu5788 3 года назад +1

    What does the line "as little as possible"?

    • @jakebee7205
      @jakebee7205 2 года назад +3

      It's based on what Jake told Evelyn when they were laying in bed when she asked what he did in Chinatown

  • @veritas6335
    @veritas6335 Год назад +1

    Fincher is a man who clearly has only a passing interest or even acquaintance with history of any kind - particully the history of Los Angeles. A zanjero was the man who managed the "zanjas," the acequias (ditches) that carried water to the fields and farmlands. The zanjero was an important figure in city government - more important than a mayor actually Towne is not quite technically correct - the zanjero was not a "water carrier." The zanjero managed the distribution of water, so farmers' livelihoods depended on the decisions of the zanjero. Mulwray, in the story.

  • @gnoodle9681
    @gnoodle9681 11 месяцев назад

    They sound very similar..

  • @FrancoisDressler
    @FrancoisDressler 6 лет назад +6

    Did Robert name his daughter China?

  • @behlinski
    @behlinski 11 месяцев назад

    When Jack and Faye were filming the “slap” scene Faye felt that to make it more authentic Jack should actually slap her. So that’s the way they filmed it.

  • @FirstPlace97
    @FirstPlace97 5 лет назад +1

    Where do they talk about the ending

  • @pt8208
    @pt8208 6 лет назад +1

    It would be nice if we actually saw the scenes being commented on.

  • @marcusjclark
    @marcusjclark 5 лет назад

    Great commentary but why on Earth at 54:00 do they say “painting out Morgan Freeman’s name”?
    Check it out for yourself - it’s bizarre and I’d really like to know why Morgan Freeman is mentioned here.

    • @adamzanzie
      @adamzanzie 5 лет назад +3

      Fincher is referring to his film "Se7en", which Morgan Freeman starred in.

    • @Vibeagain
      @Vibeagain Год назад

      @@adamzanzie *in which Freeman starred

  • @Sethpelepchuk
    @Sethpelepchuk 2 года назад

    Lol I cant tell who is David and who is Robert

  • @dusk1234567890
    @dusk1234567890 7 лет назад

    When does the commentary supposed to start? Want to listen as I watch the movie.

    • @MagnumDB
      @MagnumDB 7 лет назад +5

      Literally the very start. Pressing play on both video/audio at the exact same time would be ideal. By about 2:55 you can hear just the movie in this commentary track and you'll see how the audio matches up with the actors speaking.

    • @dusk1234567890
      @dusk1234567890 7 лет назад

      MagnumDB
      Thank you.

  • @Dominion-1
    @Dominion-1 7 лет назад +2

    So technically does Jake get his $10k from Cross?

  • @starryeyes2067
    @starryeyes2067 9 лет назад +1

    Yeah, Fischer, really. Why did you invite Robert Towne. It's not about you!

    • @MarkRoberts-bj2me
      @MarkRoberts-bj2me 7 лет назад +3

      It's a helluva lot more about Robert Towne than David Fincher since Towne did the screenplay. Since Polanski was of course unavailable Towne is the next best resource. He was there!

  • @BoiseNewWave
    @BoiseNewWave 2 года назад

    Not gonna lie, this is better than the movie

  • @ppuh6tfrz646
    @ppuh6tfrz646 4 года назад +1

    1:37:26 Fincher must be pretty stupid... He says he has never been able to find the Ida Sessions bungalow but the house is at THE EXACT ADDRESS that is given to Gittes over the phone!!

    • @alexlackner1945
      @alexlackner1945 3 года назад +2

      not anymore, is what he's implying. Are you from the area?

    • @ppuh6tfrz646
      @ppuh6tfrz646 3 года назад

      @@alexlackner1945 He says that it might have been torn down.
      If he knows the address then he'll be able to find out if the house is still there.
      What he says makes no sense.

  • @kaylouisecook366
    @kaylouisecook366 2 года назад

    all very well to have the commentary-but only the soundtrack! no good for me!

  • @dotsyjmaher
    @dotsyjmaher Год назад +1

    I was almost murdered by mob owned NOPD ...I was being stalked by them at the time I first saw this movie on TV.....I WAS STUNNED...I really identified with Jake and KNEW I had to keep going ( I was trying to get patient murders investigated and the murderers arranged to shut me up)
    One of the murderers was my MD husband...the other was his best friend who was married to a mob NOPD.....obviously GOD intervened on my behalf....but I was SO out of my league on how psychopaths operate..
    It is no exaggeration to say to this movie helped me hang on...and helped me survive.
    ...and yes....the murderers got away with it...
    But ONE of the mob NOPD went to Federal prison on evidence I was able to get the DOJ to look at.....
    Because two good NOPD were too scared to
    go to the DOJ...they gave me the evidence ..They only took the chance because ANOTHER GOOD NOPD was thought to be working with DOJ and was executed in broad daylight in downtown New Orleans in an elaborately covered up plot that managed to get the patsy beaten to death .....by over 100 cops most of whom did not know what was really going on...
    SO THESE GOOD GUYS PARTICIPATED IN A MURDER.....SET UP BY CROOKED COPS....SO
    NO
    ONE
    HAS COME FORWARD TO THIS DAY...

  • @rogelioestrada6208
    @rogelioestrada6208 8 лет назад +2

    It's strange that Robert would write a film about a water company

    • @veritas6335
      @veritas6335 2 года назад +2

      Not strange at all. He grew up in Los Ángeles (San Pedro actually) and knows the history of Mulholland and the early LA scandals.

    • @Vibeagain
      @Vibeagain Год назад

      Wait so what's strange now?

  • @sttarch5150
    @sttarch5150 Год назад +2

    Who will be the next Towne? Tarantino is equally great, but in a different genre, and he is not planning on a long continuing body of work. His dialog has set a new standard. Towne, though, made the great stories.

  • @CR055FIRE
    @CR055FIRE Год назад

    This commentary is better than the movie itself.

    • @veritas6335
      @veritas6335 Год назад +4

      Hardly. The film is a masterpiece.

  • @petemacdonald3386
    @petemacdonald3386 11 месяцев назад

    Am I the only one annoyed by Fincher talking way too much and repeatedly interrupting Towne? Having said that, this is well worth listening to.

  • @klartext2225
    @klartext2225 3 года назад

    CHINATOWN als Hörspiel????????????? WTF?? By the way: the "logo" is the poster and of course in color.

  • @richmotroni
    @richmotroni 6 месяцев назад +1

    Looking back , there is no way Chinatown could not be made today. The movie is about water and today's studio woud ask why not it be about drugs or gambling or prositution to which I'd reply those three things you mention does not affect everyone where water effects all of us. Above all, Rober Evens was both the producer and ran Paramount, so there was no buffer. Today, every studio clown would chop throught the script with a billion revisions. For me, Chinatown is the golden standard of the last great period of films, the ealy 1970s.

  • @lindaburdick7237
    @lindaburdick7237 9 лет назад +1

    The screenplay is superb...excellent! Roman Polanski ruined the author's intentions.

    • @LarryPokeTrainer
      @LarryPokeTrainer 8 лет назад +12

      +Linda Burdick If you're suggesting that the original happy ending was better than the true ending you are gravely mistaken.

    • @lindaburdick7237
      @lindaburdick7237 8 лет назад

      +LarryPokeTrainer I read the original screenplay - it didn't have a happy ending. I am not talking about the production screenplay, which is what we see in the movie.

    • @lemorab1
      @lemorab1 6 лет назад +1

      Many years ago, before Robert Towne had accepted Polanski's changed ending, I read that Towne ended it like this: Everything converges on a Chinatown street, like in the film, only Evelyn shoots and kills Noah Cross. The clouds open up in a rainstorm, and Noah's death ends the drought as Evelyn and Gittes embrace. I don't remember where I read this. It didn't say if Escobar and the other cops were there, or if the whole thing would be explained away as self-defense, witnessed by cops, case presumably closed.

    • @heartofgoldfilmandtheatre
      @heartofgoldfilmandtheatre 6 лет назад

      The twists keep spiraling right up until the last moment in the original screenplay. I enjoyed the ending the best. The happy ending isn't satisfying... neither is the Polanski version... for me.

    • @bkynbiker19
      @bkynbiker19 2 года назад +2

      @@heartofgoldfilmandtheatre So, I'll ask, which ending did you read? Can you at least summarize it?

  • @brianbaca4614
    @brianbaca4614 6 лет назад +1

    Hey Robert. Great job on that movie you wrote/produced/directed as an ode to your pansexual freak of a girlfriend: Patrice Donnelly (a known sexual predator).

    • @TheMrbrowniie
      @TheMrbrowniie 3 года назад +3

      What in the fuck are you talking about?

    • @veritas6335
      @veritas6335 Год назад

      Towne clashed with producer Geffen and sued him, and others, for 110 million dollars.

    • @hankworden3850
      @hankworden3850 5 месяцев назад

      I can't find any controversial info on this chick

  • @babyirene3188
    @babyirene3188 8 лет назад +3

    Who invited Fincher to the party? Every other film he makes is a giant goose egg. His commentary adds precious little. He has almost no questions for the actual writer of the film!! Love hearing how he'd do a scene better than Polanski. What an utter tool.

    • @theboofin
      @theboofin 5 лет назад +1

      Oh, dear...

    • @SquabbleBoxHQ
      @SquabbleBoxHQ 6 месяцев назад +1

      Does he treat 13-year-olds better than Polanski, though?

  • @Gallifrey1991
    @Gallifrey1991 9 лет назад +6

    I enjoyed this but Fincher can be so pretentious. It's nice that he loves the film so much though

    • @tuanjim799
      @tuanjim799 7 лет назад +15

      lol if you don't want to hear commentary, why the fuck are you listening to the DVD commentary for this film? Chinatown is a very densely layered, complex piece of art, I could talk anyone's ear off for days about it. Nothing pretentious about that.

    • @dickthebirthdayboy2132
      @dickthebirthdayboy2132 7 лет назад +8

      LAWRENCE WHITEHURST And another fucking idiot misusing the internet's favourite buzzword

    • @suttree3233
      @suttree3233 7 лет назад +18

      It's one of Fincher's all time favourite movies, that's why he's talking so much, he's just excited

    • @tuanjim799
      @tuanjim799 7 лет назад +14

      Yeah, I really don't get these comments at all, criticizing Fincher for being enthusiastic and interested in the film. Kinda stupid, honestly.

    • @theboofin
      @theboofin 5 лет назад +6

      He's a director, he commented on the film. Writers don't have much to say about the making of a film.

  • @BenjaminKerstein
    @BenjaminKerstein 9 лет назад +6

    Way too much Fincher. Not nearly enough Towne. Most of Fincher's commentary is boring technical stuff. Towne is a very articulate and interesting man with a lot to say (as interviews with him prove). Very disappointing to hear Fincher just run over him.

    • @theboofin
      @theboofin 9 лет назад +24

      Benjamin Kerstein Your comment shows no understanding of life. Commentaries are what they are - conversations. A one-off conversation. Fincher was the perfect enthusiastic guy to draw the info from Towne.

    • @johnbonaccorsi
      @johnbonaccorsi 8 лет назад

      +Steve Russell What info did he draw? Towne starts to discuss the scene in the secretary's office, and Fincher just ignores him. Towne manages to return to the subject, but by that time it's too late. Fincher's just listening to himself talk.

    • @charlesknowlton7198
      @charlesknowlton7198 6 лет назад +9

      Fincher is trying to get Towne to talk but Towne seems to have very little interest in his own screenplay or at least little interest in the film. Man of few words for sure.

    • @theboofin
      @theboofin 5 лет назад +7

      Exactly. If Fincher wasn't there, nothing would happen. It's a commentary, not a perfect conversation. All commentaries are disjointed. What's wrong with millennials?

  • @HC-cb4yp
    @HC-cb4yp 7 лет назад +3

    I'm interested in what Towne has to say. I don't care what a sycophant has to say.

    • @tuanjim799
      @tuanjim799 7 лет назад +20

      Yeah, what a sniveling little sycophant he is for being a fan of the film with a lot to say about it. Stupid ass comment, Marky boy.

    • @tomsckay7point0
      @tomsckay7point0 5 лет назад

      @@tuanjim799 idk about sycophant but listening to him is embarrassing.

    • @FrancoisDressler
      @FrancoisDressler 2 года назад

      @@tomsckay7point0 Why?

    • @iammraat3059
      @iammraat3059 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@tomsckay7point0you are an embarrassment for your family

  • @ucntcit
    @ucntcit 5 лет назад

    I don't like the line "Forget it Jake it's Chinatown." I don' think it fits. It deflects the enormity of what has gone on in the film. Chinatown represents a way to the writer but it doesn't capture the darkness that takes place here in America. So really they were just afraid to say it like it is. They blamed the Chinese.

    • @ppuh6tfrz646
      @ppuh6tfrz646 4 года назад +5

      @wil brander If you think that line means they blamed the Chinese then you clearly haven't understood the film.

    • @KarlMarxhaswifi
      @KarlMarxhaswifi 4 года назад +5

      youre completely misinterpreting that last line. Hes not blaming the Chinese residents of China town , he is saying there's no use of figthing lieutenant escobar on what has taken place. The Chinese residents are voiceless, and the L.A.PD abused their power and implemented their fascist / racists ideals on these minority communities , hence jake leaving his work with the D.A . This film highlights the absolute corruption that normally plagues L.A. and several other cities in the US. It displays the greed ,pedophilia , and absolute corruption of those sworn to serve and protect for they are also bought in order for them to " do as little as possible " The final scene made me sick to my stomach, the implications it serves is truly terrifying but that is the world we live in.

    • @PierluigiPuccini
      @PierluigiPuccini 3 года назад +8

      "Chinatown is a state of mind." Robert Towne.

    • @TheMrbrowniie
      @TheMrbrowniie 3 года назад

      I dont like you

    • @davidlean1060
      @davidlean1060 3 года назад +1

      @@KarlMarxhaswifi There is a flip side to what you say too. The Chinese were effectively a law unto themselves. Cops didn't know what the hell was happening around them there, because they couldn't understand the language, the social mores etc. That's why it's a dangerous place in the film. You are right though, the film is a pretty dark picture of LA, but Polanski has done that in his films plenty of times. One of my favorite films of his from late in his career is The Ghost Writer. What that film implies about powerful political couples (I can't be the only one to read Bill and Hilary into the Prime and his wife characters) is pretty shocking.

  • @herbertquain6875
    @herbertquain6875 2 года назад +1

    Love the movie of course, very nearly perfect. The one bit that's never set quite right with me (long before "woke" became a thing) is the glass/grass mishearing. It's a little bit cheap and actually doesn't even make sense when you see towards the end that Gittes can speak the language a little. He's obviously been very close to the culture and the guy is obviously talking about the grass in the context of the scene. Kinda corny, kinda racist, the one imperfection. I think it would have been OK to challenge Towne a little bit on one imperfection...oh well.

    • @bkynbiker19
      @bkynbiker19 2 года назад +6

      I think it's done to show a flaw in Gittis' character as a bit racist, entitled and seeing himself as superior. It's one of his somewhat-jerk moments..

    • @damiantirado9616
      @damiantirado9616 2 года назад +1

      It’s funny how you complained about woke when this movie is actually very woke. The entire plot is about finding out that a rich evil capitalist controls the water. And he controls the police. It’s very anti police and anti authority movie. It’s basically a left wing message. Don’t trust the police and don’t trust capitalist corporations.
      The water should be given to the public, sounds something bernie Sanders would say.

    • @herbertquain6875
      @herbertquain6875 2 года назад

      @@damiantirado9616 Yeah, I wasn't "complaining" about woke, I was just hoping not to be accused of/dismissed as being woke for having a problem with the glass/grass thing.

    • @obasaz4904
      @obasaz4904 Год назад

      There is nothing in the film that suggests Gittes can speak the language 'a little' or that he has even been close to that culture.

    • @herbertquain6875
      @herbertquain6875 Год назад

      @@obasaz4904 He worked in Chinatown and at one point he does say something in I assume Mandarin to the butler.

  • @teeniebeenie8774
    @teeniebeenie8774 3 года назад

    i dont appreciate fincher, heard he a bitch to work for....

  • @KCRyder
    @KCRyder 9 лет назад

    I hate this movie - 2 hours of nothing happening

    • @theboofin
      @theboofin 5 лет назад +21

      Classic millennial comment. Thank you!

    • @TheMrbrowniie
      @TheMrbrowniie 3 года назад +4

      it is obvious that your mother is also your sister

    • @smokingbrush2498
      @smokingbrush2498 3 года назад +14

      I know; not a special effect, no Hobbits or a Jedi Warrior in sight. How disappointing. So why tune into this in the first place, anvil head?

    • @toma5153
      @toma5153 2 года назад +6

      @@smokingbrush2498 Yup. Now every other film is some superpower hero "franchise" effort. Cranking out movies like mashed potatoes. Bland and they're all alike.

  • @veritas6335
    @veritas6335 Год назад +2

    It's a pity that this talk isn't underlaid by stills from the movie. It would be so much more instructive. Although those of us who love the film know the shots by heart. Fincher doesn't really understand or relate to the thirties or the history of early Los Angeles and mostly talks film technique, so it's easy to see why he's so gaga over the period setting, whereas Towne grew up with it, which is why the film is so authentic and lush with period detail. Nothing beats writing what you know. Great credit goes to the production designer for realizing Towne's vision. How the film looks is a huge part of of conveying the air of early LA wealth, decadent glamour and corruption that the story requires.

  • @veritas6335
    @veritas6335 Год назад +2

    Fincher is so outclassed here, by Robert Towne. His cheap modern slang and English usage comes off poorly against Towne's intelligence and beautiful use of the English language. Strangely, he discusses the lines of dialogue as if Jack Nicholson or the other actors made them up, when in fact Towne wrote them.

  • @michaelallport5816
    @michaelallport5816 7 лет назад +8

    Final scene-Ord Street(CHINATOWN) which is considerably bigger than ''a block and a half.'' That finale in which the credits rolled was in harmony of the times, and lack of pretention which fills every crack of society today.