I joined the Adventists Church 30 years ago from the Catholic church. I can truly say i have never seen such termoil and infighting it is truly upsetting. I guess its just another prophesy from Mrs White comming true .
Gossip is especially difficult for me to be around, I suffer mild paranoia from years of drug use and when I think I'm being gossiped about it takes a toll. Gossip ruins lives.
So sad for what you had to go through, so happy you did not let it destroy your life. Am happy you are serving the Lord and waiting for His soon return. Hold on to Jesus He will never let you go, ❤️
@elizabethagard7930 my life isn't ruined, my relationship with church members is damaged but I'm working on myself and forgiveness and discernment. Jesus is coming soon!!
You're so blessed ,I would love to have Pastor Doug as my pastor. My life would be so on track ,when he came to New zealand I really wanted to meet him but I couldn't make it down to Auckland 😢😢.
@@NZFORESTPROI know each person’s situation is different, but definitely helps to have a circle of family friends with whom to explore and discuss the Bible and encourage one another and work together for outreach. Our lives may not seem on track and at times Ed we can be an absolute mess, but we can gain experience that fits us to be a blessing to others who go through the same things. Hang on to Jesus and even if your feet slip, you won’t fall over the edge.
Leaders that are in error HAVE to be called on publicly. The GC leaders that are giving the wrong sound to the trumpet are to be publicly rebuked. The Bible says elders who continue in ERROR should be publicly rebuked see 1 Timothy 5:20: “But those elders who are sinning you *are to reprove before everyone,* so that the others may take warning.” 1 Timothy 5:20 NIV The verse instructs to rebuke elders *in the presence of the congregation* as a warning to others. The "others" refers to the elders, but the effect would be felt by the entire congregation. Here are some other things to note about 1 Timothy 5:20: -The public rebuke should only happen after the elder refuses to repent after a private confrontation. -The goal is to restore the elder to full fellowship with the church and Christ. -The elder should be removed from office if they are unrepentant. -The faithful spiritual leader should deal with the evidence and facts of each situation without favoritism.
We must always point out corruption or false ways in the church and hope the people repent or step away from their position. But we must be loving towards the person in question. Balance is key!
So then... The general message of this video, based on the video title and the post Doug Batchelor review by pastor James is that... GOSSIP is a term that is synonymous with REBUKE? Is this what we are to take away from this?
How about challenge DIOP, when he PUBLICALY lies and says Rome has changed...he is fulfilling Great Controversy, Aims and character of the papacy, a sympathizer of Rome
@@PrJamesMediai agree with you, diop is a human being, he makes mistakes like a christian too, i don't remember doing it constantly, i think it is a one time thing, we just need to pray for him to repent
The SDA need to wise up and take note of what Diop is saying. Diop obviously for some time has realized that the Conspiracy theories and blatant Fairy Tales that the SDA have always taught are exactly that " Fairy Tales"
As far as church goes, there is necessary cancelling of speech that is done. It’s not like out in the world. From the pulpit, there is only speech that is approved of the Lord
Leaders that are in error HAVE to be called on publicly. The GC leaders that are giving the wrong sound to the trumpet are to be publicly rebuked. The Bible says elders who continue in ERROR should be publicly rebuked see 1 Timothy 5:20: “But those elders who are sinning you *are to reprove before everyone,* so that the others may take warning.” 1 Timothy 5:20 NIV The verse instructs to rebuke elders *in the presence of the congregation* as a warning to others. The "others" refers to the elders, but the effect would be felt by the entire congregation. Here are some other things to note about 1 Timothy 5:20: -The public rebuke should only happen after the elder refuses to repent after a private confrontation. -The goal is to restore the elder to full fellowship with the church and Christ. -The elder should be removed from office if they are unrepentant. -The faithful spiritual leader should deal with the evidence and facts of each situation without favoritism.
Tame the tongue by getting off of social media 🙏 Edit: I had to do a double take when you were quoting the book of James because I forgot the abbreviation for that book is Jas. At first, i thought you were quoting the book of Jasher and I thought, " why in the world is he quoting Jasher?" 😂
Taming the Tongue 3 Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2 We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check. 3 When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. 4 Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go. 5 Likewise, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. 6 The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of one’s life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell. 7 All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and sea creatures are being tamed and have been tamed by mankind, 8 but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison. 9 With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness. 10 Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. 11 Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? 12 My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water. James 3 NIV
You and many other inside critic have made it your daily duty to go form ministry to ministries and from conference to conferences,, searching for news and gossip, about the conference leaders, and Churches pastors, You spread the new and gossip across your channel to gain popularity, get weak church members to follow you and grow your channel. You enjoy spreading, and encourage drama, in the churches. Spreading gossip doesn't pay. God is not sleeping He is standing at the door of His church,and He will deal with the problems. Remember Moses , God protected him from the gossip of Korah and Dathan. Let us pray for your pastors and leaders God is still in control.
It’s called gossip if it exposes obvious false teachings. Preachers who defend Babylon’s chief doctrine the Trinity get upset if they are criticised for it. To teach also that we don’t have a spirit but just breath is another unbiblical teaching. The straight testimony is shaking up the SDA church and we need to get back to the Bible only to prove all things doctrinal. Many of our leaders have made decisions enforcing govt dictates that has cost the lives of multitudes of SDAs and they will be held responsible.
Leviticus 19:16- talks about the power of words ‘Do not go about spreading slander among your people. “‘Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor’s life. I am the Lord. 17 “‘Do not hate a fellow Israelite in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt. 18 “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord. 19 “‘Keep my decrees."
There is much to address in your video, i have tried to be minimal though and cut out many examples that would make the points even more potent. [A] YOUR STATEMENT ON MINISTRIES you have characterised ministries with a list, and i will look at this list and analyse it. 1. They (the ministries) leave the church to start their own church but do not leave the church alone.. Isnt it akin to us in respect to the Sunday goers, and the Catholics: we are not apart of them, we came out of them and yet we talk about them all the time. For this point to be valid you have to justify why it is right for us to do this very thing you have accused ministries of doing lest it look hypocritical and take away merit from your good observational point. 2. They position themselves as the right ones. isnt it the same again with us and the Sunday worshipers whom we present as being in the wrong. again lets approach this as the first point above, what is their justification for doing this, and what is ours for doing the same, what is the difference between our justifications. 3. They highlight the error of the church not to uplift but to bring down come on now, if someone highlights a problem that i have and i change that problem will they speak anymore on it. instead of crying that they are highlighting our problems, we should sit down and say and just fix them, or at least try to. unless we dont perceive them as problems in the first place. this is not even a point honestly. 4. They have nothing good to say about the church can some one give a list of 3 good things that Jesus said about the pharisees, if not then cant the pharisees have stood and made this point about Jesus, or do we group him with these occultish ministries also. 5. They hate the leadership of the church and have no positive to say about them again can some one list any 3 things that Jesus said positive about the leaders of his time. lets approach this like point 4 6. They love to evangelise the church to join their church... and its done through words and gossip. they have made so much money...i dont think its God ordained. its very occultish. That is a very serious thing to say, i guess it is only fair to ask for examples of these things and also the disciple did this very thing to the nation of Israel. they evangelised Israel, a nation of God, were they wrong in doing so? i guess the question we must ask is what is the justification to doing this, if you dont agree with their justifications, explain why? 7. They often times end up teaching false teachings. The whole New Testament can be nicely categorized as meeting these qualifiers honelstly and so it behooves you to explain better why these minstries are occultish as you have characterised them. If these points are true then there should be no problem in giving us a list of ministries we need to be wary of, in the way Jesus told his disciples to be careful of the bread of the pharisees. so i would urge you to please give examples of these ocultish ministries that we should not involve ourselves with. it is your duty at this point. [B] I DONT THINK PASTOR BATCHELORS VERSESS USED IN THE ERMON ARE LIMITED EXCLUSIVELY TO MINISTRIES BUT EXPAND TO ALL CONVERSATON The verses the pastor used are about conversation and speaking and which can apply to but not limited to ministries. Speaking happens every where, in the church, in ministries, at home, at work, on the road, and in all such circumstances the Scriptures appeal is that we need to speak the truth (i say the truth because truth can subjectively be perceived as hate). in all the verses he quotes this is true for example 1 Peter 2:1,2 laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings... Truth is non of these things mentioned here. picture Peter in Acts 2:22,23 when he says you have taken the christ and crucified him. 1 Tim 5:11 ...they learn to be idle wandering from house to house; and not only idle, but gossip and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not to say. This is the main point the pastor seems to be making that there are things that must be spoken and others must not be spoken publicly, he refers to a scandalous statement that was spoken and how people have since engaged in conversation on it. all the verses bend the understanding to this conclusion, that a fool speaks when he aught not to, and when he is silent he is perceived to be wise even though a fool; in a multitude of words is iniquity etc. the pastor also says at this time stump; 13:14 if when you speak, and you talking about a problem, and you are not the problem, or you are not talking about a solution to the problem, thats gossip. isnt that right? i dont know if that is gossip, but this is clearly about conversation and not preaching or ministries. And since no ministries are mentioned by name the pastor has deniability, no one can press him as he would simply say i wasnt talking about your ministry even though the audience have drawn a list in which you are clearly included form my unpositonal position. All this is to say that the church is asleep, and in a Laodicean condition, and when the watchmen who are to cry aloud and make a certain sound rebuke and shout danger, all the forces in the church arise and shush the people back to sleep, and one of the tactics unfortunately is what you have done here, to simply say those guys are gossiping, without saying which guys, so people just carelessly lump every ministry together. i will list two ministries; 1. SAVED TO SERVE: who speak out on the pitfall of sin being permitted in the church 2. PROLIFE ANDREW: who speaks about the outrageous pro Choice stance in our church that allows abortion in our hospitals since the 1970s. Are these in your list of cultic ministries?
@@PrJamesMedia i have raised many points but you responded to only one. even on the point you have responded to i would reply by saying if there is a cult in our midst it becomes your duty and any one who knows of such knowledge to openly identify such cults for the better of a weaker brother. we do the same when we say the Catholics changed the Sabbath. we mention them by name as is our duty. we also say the papacy is the beast of Revelation 13:17,18 as is our duty, or have these things changed. Even Jesus mentioned the Pharisees by name. No matter it is your right to withhold such information, but to the other points what say you
I love this analysis. Imagine if we had no independent ministries to stand for the truth and expose the apostasies in the church. The church was going to be 💯 Catholic! But God will never allow it because He has never done that.
@@PrJamesMediaof course, gossipers are afraid to call names. How is it gossiping when public sin is publicly rebuked? The silence of some of these leaders when it comes to what's happening in the body of Christ is absurd. It's obvious it is all in self interest. What will become of SDAs if they all start believing that Rome has changed, they might as well become Catholics. Did any of these man you always put on high pedestal say a word against such statements against the very message they preach? You as a pastor always highlighting these cherry pick messages aren't doing justice either when these leaders don't have it in them to stand up for the very message or truth they proclaim. Logo gone, now you are being evangelized that Rome has changed when scripture says otherwise. What next? Wjo will be held responsible for the souls that sympathizes with this preachers or public figures? Gossipers for example are those seating on the bench and say; in all honesty, what Dr. Diop said was wrong, come Sabbath you put on a face like you never said a word. Hypocrisy!! Yet you are quick to give names to those who might stair change in those committing sin openly that might lead others to err. It is a shame.
Your comments on these critical churches it seems you have made many negative comments regarding the conference leadership as well as Pastor Wilson. You fully supported pastor Vine and his comments on the leadership so I’m not sure where I would draw the line. You are gossiping frequently about church leadership and being very critical. If you feel these things you need to take the, to the source and bring it to your audience, as this is gossip and very negative.
I am Soo disappointed by everything you said and how you used Doug Batchlor ‘S sermon,there are so many points to contest but there is no point,you are just avoiding any unpopular truths
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I joined the Adventists Church 30 years ago from the Catholic church. I can truly say i have never seen such termoil and infighting it is truly upsetting. I guess its just another prophesy from Mrs White comming true .
It's different online than in real life. Most people I know just go to church & don't worry about these controversies.
We're going through the shaking. We must know and live what we believe.
Gossip is especially difficult for me to be around, I suffer mild paranoia from years of drug use and when I think I'm being gossiped about it takes a toll. Gossip ruins lives.
But gossip are rumours or also assumptions. It’s being careful what you say. Exposing evil and faults is rebuking and help shine light on the truth
So sad for what you had to go through, so happy you did not let it destroy your life.
Am happy you are serving the Lord and waiting for His soon return.
Hold on to Jesus He will never let you go, ❤️
@elizabethagard7930 my life isn't ruined, my relationship with church members is damaged but I'm working on myself and forgiveness and discernment. Jesus is coming soon!!
Amen. and Amen, Love Doug Batchlor,
So timely, thanks for sharing
Excellent points. I appreciate you doing this video.
Hay guys, I saw myself sitting in the audience 😂🤣😅. That was a good sermon.
Really 😇
You're so blessed ,I would love to have Pastor Doug as my pastor. My life would be so on track ,when he came to New zealand I really wanted to meet him but I couldn't make it down to Auckland 😢😢.
@@NZFORESTPROI know each person’s situation is different, but definitely helps to have a circle of family friends with whom to explore and discuss the Bible and encourage one another and work together for outreach. Our lives may not seem on track and at times Ed we can be an absolute mess, but we can gain experience that fits us to be a blessing to others who go through the same things. Hang on to Jesus and even if your feet slip, you won’t fall over the edge.
@Olympic_TryAthlete Thank you, brother ,absolutely 💯 Amen 🙏 🙏 🙏 Amen.
AAMEN & AMEN.
Leaders that are in error HAVE to be called on publicly. The GC leaders that are giving the wrong sound to the trumpet are to be publicly rebuked.
The Bible says elders who continue in ERROR should be publicly rebuked see 1 Timothy 5:20: “But those elders who are sinning you *are to reprove before everyone,* so that the others may take warning.”
1 Timothy 5:20 NIV
The verse instructs to rebuke elders *in the presence of the congregation* as a warning to others. The "others" refers to the elders, but the effect would be felt by the entire congregation.
Here are some other things to note about 1 Timothy 5:20:
-The public rebuke should only happen after the elder refuses to repent after a private confrontation.
-The goal is to restore the elder to full fellowship with the church and Christ.
-The elder should be removed from office if they are unrepentant.
-The faithful spiritual leader should deal with the evidence and facts of each situation without favoritism.
Another good one as usual always a blessing when comes to this channel
We must always point out corruption or false ways in the church and hope the people repent or step away from their position. But we must be loving towards the person in question. Balance is key!
Amen 🙏
I've been guilty many times as well 😞
The little sentence "safe and effective!"
Aman very good ❤
Amen
Wowww I thought it was just in my church....... it's sad how the demons are taking control and winning 😢😢😢😢
I definitely have to repent.
Me too
Me too
Me too.
@@mramosw00db33zme too 🙏🏾
Me too
The devil trying to distract,don’t let him win
So then...
The general message of this video, based on the video title and the post Doug Batchelor review by pastor James is that...
GOSSIP is a term that is synonymous with REBUKE?
Is this what we are to take away from this?
How about challenge DIOP, when he PUBLICALY lies and says Rome has changed...he is fulfilling Great Controversy, Aims and character of the papacy, a sympathizer of Rome
Challenge the theory, yes, but don’t demonize the individual himself.
@@PrJamesMediai agree with you, diop is a human being, he makes mistakes like a christian too, i don't remember doing it constantly, i think it is a one time thing, we just need to pray for him to repent
@@PrJamesMediaI see you saw a particular video and are taking notes. Good.
The SDA need to wise up and take note of what Diop is saying. Diop obviously for some time has realized that the Conspiracy theories and blatant Fairy Tales that the SDA have always taught are exactly that
" Fairy Tales"
@@alongcamejones309 What fairy tales exactly?
As far as church goes, there is necessary cancelling of speech that is done. It’s not like out in the world. From the pulpit, there is only speech that is approved of the Lord
Christ uses harsh words to rebuke the scribe and Pharisees
Not in the same way it is done today.
@@PrJamesMediai agree with you
Leaders that are in error HAVE to be called on publicly. The GC leaders that are giving the wrong sound to the trumpet are to be publicly rebuked.
The Bible says elders who continue in ERROR should be publicly rebuked see 1 Timothy 5:20: “But those elders who are sinning you *are to reprove before everyone,* so that the others may take warning.”
1 Timothy 5:20 NIV
The verse instructs to rebuke elders *in the presence of the congregation* as a warning to others. The "others" refers to the elders, but the effect would be felt by the entire congregation.
Here are some other things to note about 1 Timothy 5:20:
-The public rebuke should only happen after the elder refuses to repent after a private confrontation.
-The goal is to restore the elder to full fellowship with the church and Christ.
-The elder should be removed from office if they are unrepentant.
-The faithful spiritual leader should deal with the evidence and facts of each situation without favoritism.
Do you have the link to Doug Bachelor's video?
It’s in the description above
It’s always in the description
Save to serve
Are you saying they're the poster child for controversy?....😊
God bless Save to Serve for their valiant work in exposing the enemy within.
Tame the tongue by getting off of social media 🙏
Edit: I had to do a double take when you were quoting the book of James because I forgot the abbreviation for that book is Jas.
At first, i thought you were quoting the book of Jasher and I thought, " why in the world is he quoting Jasher?" 😂
Lol 😂 I might have said it wrong, 😑
This is similar to when the devil broke away from God and persuaded some of God's angels to join him. Basically, it's the same thing.
Taming the Tongue
3 Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2 We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.
3 When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. 4 Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go. 5 Likewise, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. 6 The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of one’s life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.
7 All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and sea creatures are being tamed and have been tamed by mankind, 8 but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.
9 With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness. 10 Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. 11 Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? 12 My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water. James 3 NIV
I would say he is preaching about the RUclips channels, not really pointing out break away ministries.
You and many other inside critic have made it your daily duty to go form ministry to ministries and from conference to conferences,, searching for news and gossip, about the conference leaders, and Churches pastors, You spread the new and gossip across your channel to gain popularity, get weak church members to follow you and grow your channel.
You enjoy spreading, and encourage drama, in the churches. Spreading gossip doesn't pay. God is not sleeping He is standing at the door of His church,and He will deal with the problems. Remember Moses , God protected him from the gossip of Korah and Dathan. Let us pray for your pastors and leaders God is still in control.
It’s called gossip if it exposes obvious false teachings. Preachers who defend Babylon’s chief doctrine the Trinity get upset if they are criticised for it. To teach also that we don’t have a spirit but just breath is another unbiblical teaching. The straight testimony is shaking up the SDA church and we need to get back to the Bible only to prove all things doctrinal. Many of our leaders have made decisions enforcing govt dictates that has cost the lives of multitudes of SDAs and they will be held responsible.
Amen.Must repent
Leviticus 19:16- talks about the power of words
‘Do not go about spreading slander among your people.
“‘Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor’s life. I am the Lord.
17 “‘Do not hate a fellow Israelite in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt.
18 “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.
19 “‘Keep my decrees."
There is much to address in your video, i have tried to be minimal though and cut out many examples that would make the points even more potent.
[A] YOUR STATEMENT ON MINISTRIES
you have characterised ministries with a list, and i will look at this list and analyse it.
1. They (the ministries) leave the church to start their own church but do not leave the church alone..
Isnt it akin to us in respect to the Sunday goers, and the Catholics: we are not apart of them, we came out of them and yet we talk about them all the time. For this point to be valid you have to justify why it is right for us to do this very thing you have accused ministries of doing lest it look hypocritical and take away merit from your good observational point.
2. They position themselves as the right ones.
isnt it the same again with us and the Sunday worshipers whom we present as being in the wrong. again lets approach this as the first point above, what is their justification for doing this, and what is ours for doing the same, what is the difference between our justifications.
3. They highlight the error of the church not to uplift but to bring down
come on now, if someone highlights a problem that i have and i change that problem will they speak anymore on it. instead of crying that they are highlighting our problems, we should sit down and say and just fix them, or at least try to. unless we dont perceive them as problems in the first place. this is not even a point honestly.
4. They have nothing good to say about the church
can some one give a list of 3 good things that Jesus said about the pharisees, if not then cant the pharisees have stood and made this point about Jesus, or do we group him with these occultish ministries also.
5. They hate the leadership of the church and have no positive to say about them
again can some one list any 3 things that Jesus said positive about the leaders of his time. lets approach this like point 4
6. They love to evangelise the church to join their church... and its done through words and gossip. they have made so much money...i dont think its God ordained. its very occultish.
That is a very serious thing to say, i guess it is only fair to ask for examples of these things and also the disciple did this very thing to the nation of Israel. they evangelised Israel, a nation of God, were they wrong in doing so?
i guess the question we must ask is what is the justification to doing this, if you dont agree with their justifications, explain why?
7. They often times end up teaching false teachings.
The whole New Testament can be nicely categorized as meeting these qualifiers honelstly and so it behooves you to explain better why these minstries are occultish as you have characterised them.
If these points are true then there should be no problem in giving us a list of ministries we need to be wary of, in the way Jesus told his disciples to be careful of the bread of the pharisees. so i would urge you to please give examples of these ocultish ministries that we should not involve ourselves with. it is your duty at this point.
[B] I DONT THINK PASTOR BATCHELORS VERSESS USED IN THE ERMON ARE LIMITED EXCLUSIVELY TO MINISTRIES BUT EXPAND TO ALL CONVERSATON
The verses the pastor used are about conversation and speaking and which can apply to but not limited to ministries. Speaking happens every where, in the church, in ministries, at home, at work, on the road, and in all such circumstances the Scriptures appeal is that we need to speak the truth (i say the truth because truth can subjectively be perceived as hate).
in all the verses he quotes this is true for example
1 Peter 2:1,2 laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings...
Truth is non of these things mentioned here. picture Peter in Acts 2:22,23 when he says you have taken the christ and crucified him.
1 Tim 5:11 ...they learn to be idle wandering from house to house; and not only idle, but gossip and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not to say.
This is the main point the pastor seems to be making that there are things that must be spoken and others must not be spoken publicly, he refers to a scandalous statement that was spoken and how people have since engaged in conversation on it. all the verses bend the understanding to this conclusion, that a fool speaks when he aught not to, and when he is silent he is perceived to be wise even though a fool; in a multitude of words is iniquity etc.
the pastor also says at this time stump;
13:14 if when you speak, and you talking about a problem, and you are not the problem, or you are not talking about a solution to the problem, thats gossip. isnt that right?
i dont know if that is gossip, but this is clearly about conversation and not preaching or ministries. And since no ministries are mentioned by name the pastor has deniability, no one can press him as he would simply say i wasnt talking about your ministry even though the audience have drawn a list in which you are clearly included form my unpositonal position.
All this is to say that the church is asleep, and in a Laodicean condition, and when the watchmen who are to cry aloud and make a certain sound rebuke and shout danger, all the forces in the church arise and shush the people back to sleep, and one of the tactics unfortunately is what you have done here, to simply say those guys are gossiping, without saying which guys, so people just carelessly lump every ministry together.
i will list two ministries;
1. SAVED TO SERVE: who speak out on the pitfall of sin being permitted in the church
2. PROLIFE ANDREW: who speaks about the outrageous pro Choice stance in our church that allows abortion in our hospitals since the 1970s.
Are these in your list of cultic ministries?
You discern for yourself. I had mentioned no names for a reason. Apply the principles to where you think they best fit.
@@PrJamesMedia i have raised many points but you responded to only one.
even on the point you have responded to i would reply by saying if there is a cult in our midst it becomes your duty and any one who knows of such knowledge to openly identify such cults for the better of a weaker brother.
we do the same when we say the Catholics changed the Sabbath. we mention them by name as is our duty.
we also say the papacy is the beast of Revelation 13:17,18 as is our duty, or have these things changed.
Even Jesus mentioned the Pharisees by name.
No matter it is your right to withhold such information, but to the other points what say you
I love this analysis. Imagine if we had no independent ministries to stand for the truth and expose the apostasies in the church. The church was going to be 💯 Catholic! But God will never allow it because He has never done that.
Beautifully said and summarized. Blessings.
@@PrJamesMediaof course, gossipers are afraid to call names. How is it gossiping when public sin is publicly rebuked?
The silence of some of these leaders when it comes to what's happening in the body of Christ is absurd. It's obvious it is all in self interest.
What will become of SDAs if they all start believing that Rome has changed, they might as well become Catholics.
Did any of these man you always put on high pedestal say a word against such statements against the very message they preach?
You as a pastor always highlighting these cherry pick messages aren't doing justice either when these leaders don't have it in them to stand up for the very message or truth they proclaim.
Logo gone, now you are being evangelized that Rome has changed when scripture says otherwise. What next?
Wjo will be held responsible for the souls that sympathizes with this preachers or public figures?
Gossipers for example are those seating on the bench and say; in all honesty, what Dr. Diop said was wrong, come Sabbath you put on a face like you never said a word. Hypocrisy!! Yet you are quick to give names to those who might stair change in those committing sin openly that might lead others to err. It is a shame.
You have just distorted pastor Doug's message to satisfy your hatred for independent ministries.
Your comments on these critical churches it seems you have made many negative comments regarding the conference leadership as well as Pastor Wilson. You fully supported pastor Vine and his comments on the leadership so I’m not sure where I would draw the line. You are gossiping frequently about church leadership and being very critical. If you feel these things you need to take the, to the source and bring it to your audience, as this is gossip and very negative.
I am Soo disappointed by everything you said and how you used Doug Batchlor
‘S sermon,there are so many points to contest but there is no point,you are just avoiding any unpopular truths
Accountability
Read Testimony to Ministers and Gospel workers p410,412
all reamant God people,,,keep the commandments of God Revel,12,17, and faith to Jesus..Revel,14,12. John 14,6,15. 1 Cori,3,11,12. 1 John 3,4. Roma,7,12. Roma,6,23. Revel,19,9,10,--16, Revel,22,1--8,9-18, 2,, Rvel,21,27. Isaiah, 26,2, people follow the truth. >>> Psalms,119,142, > truth 10 >. God commandments. John 17,17, > truth Bible John 14,6, > truth Jesus. Mark,16,16,
I can also tell you don’t like that particular ministry. You’re aren’t any better brother. 😂😂
This has nothing with whether I like them or not. This was about equipping the saints with the abilities to discern for themselves.
You are gossiping right now repent