The Scamming Losing Touts at WagerTalk Can Run, But They Can't Hide | Reacting to WagerTalk
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- Опубликовано: 4 фев 2022
- In this reaction series video I watch the lying, fraudulent, scamming touts at WagerTalk(who created WagerTalk after they were exposed at PreGame by Deadspin and wanted to rebrand themselves) use crappy advice to make it seem like they know what they are talking about to swindle people into buying their crappy picks.
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Just reading the comments here confirms why 99% of bettors lose money long term.
Nobody has a perfect record.
I like wagertalk this is sports entertainment every body's a tout I don't buy nobody's plays because I invested in myself for my picks.
If they sell me the 'we win 55% of the picks' it sounds like a certainty, people that fall for that are investing and not entertaining themselves. Touts just suck
I have gained a lot of Knowledge off of wager talk. Plus a lot of money. So I would say they are legit.
@@ryeonmcclenton2072 there are a few I pay attention to on there
That first clown went by "Vegas Runner" back on Pregame. Several years ago I looked at the last 100 picks for their touts. Not a single one had a winning % over 50%. Guaranteed losses, especially after paying for the losing picks.
NOT TRUE AT ALL
LOL 😆
100 picks? Lol the GOAT Billy Walters had losing streaks over that span. Way too small a sample size
This video is half true and half about envy
Best thing to do is loss on your own
*lose
@@itzmecandimorgon3323 lose yes but also the best thing is to win on your own cause when you do it feels good 👍
Best thing to do is learn how to write English
The people they call sharpe dont sell bet. Billy Walter dont sell bet. these guys are. i heard they are making more than 1000$ on their 2$ tuesday. they use all kind of calculation to demonstrate they are winning.
I go to Wager Talk for information only. I have been in the game a real long time. NEVER, I repeat, NEVER PAY FOR PICKS.. EVER!! IT IS A LOSING INVESTMENT.
Terrible job man lol. You exposed nothing
Totally agree
Gianni, Kelly Stewart, and Marco went 151-113-1 on their Wagertalk show "Bet On It" this year. That's 38 more wins than losses. And all those picks were given on RUclips free of charge.
Could be true but the catch is what odds were they getting Going that record at -300 and -200 odds will put you at a loss. Were they beating the closing line?
@@MsPriyaLal and you think a few of those weren’t plus money plays either
@@Worldranked yea, but everytime you buy a long term package you lose money if you follow all of their plays
@@revelations18-4 I’m just referring to playing ALL the free picks according to this record
This is true but they are not providing +EV wagers every time they make a pick so the units won is more important than the number of W/L's of picks
Kelly was $$$ all year long on weekly best bets. 15-5 I cashed. Wagertalk is as good as anyone
They are not as good as me. Not even close.
Lol
Side note on this clip: Everyone on the internet was on Tennessee on this game! No one was taking the Bengals so EVERYONE was wrong! For those of you out there reading this hunt down Gianni’s picks they are very solid! I’ve never bought a pick in my life just watch the free stuff on RUclips!
i took bengals francis nanngou and rams $55 dollars won me $567 best parlay of my life so far
Yah 2 days ago he picked yamer over karastev he said he betted with hes group and yamer win that match and it was + 200
I thought he mad but guess what i loss my money on karastev 😂
I mean, I watch wagertalk. I like it for what it is, these guys are 50% with their picks usually when they come on, 55% is being successful by industry standards, take the picks or fade them, it’s info. Disagree or don’t but be smart
Exactly. Wager talk is the best.
Is it true that Gianni Karalis lost around $250,000 of his clients' money after claiming someone robbed him at Starbucks?
from what we have uncovered about wagertalk that does not sound far fetched.
RJ Bell Pregame scam why do I know nothing about this
This video was overly harsh, even for me. There's people in the industry far less scrupulous than Marco, KIV, Ralph, and VR.
Ralph only gets a significant sample size at one place: The buffet.
Ralph is actually best picker on wagertalk with rob veno. And ur a insecure lame for disrespecting him
Gold Jerry. Gold.
Lol
You probably shouldn’t buy their picks but this video is just completely false
I really enjoy your truthfulness in this series. I think it’s important to also note these ‘artists’ dig on the fact of gambling as an addiction and it’s not brought to light as often as it should. There are ways to carve out small edges in the industry, but it looks nothing like what is being analyzed.
Need to see the actual numbers of what they’re hitting
The one clip you showed of Marco talking about Derrick Henry; Marco was RIGHT. Henry struggled to run the ball against the Bengals and the Titans both lost and didn't cover the spread. Marco was telling people to take the Bengals and the points. You would think, when trying to convince people that Marco is a scam artist, that you would at least pull a clip where he gave bad/wrong advice. Ha
I saw the same thing...played content of them speaking but never proved anything to be false ...it made zero sense to me.
AGREE
BIG FACTS.! That’s exactly what I was saying like I played this game myself.! This dude is just looking for views at this point.! Why this whole modern day era feels they need to make money off of talking shit about other people.? Makes no sense at all!
This video is a tout attacking other touts while doing the same things that he says the other touts do. It's as simple as that.
Will is not a tout, quite the opposite
He's a clown and a tout
Will was a tout until his model failed so bad he had to become the founder of the anti-tout tout club
@@stayodd no he wasn’t
I think Mad Max would say the same about Kelly Stuart. “That’s bait.”
Dude. Your record on your own website is 180-251 for -73 units. I think someone needs to make a “truth” video about you.
Hahaha !!! Bingo , we have a winner
lol totally agree
😂 😂 😂
lol got a link? let's see the site
Lol! I liked This guy at first but seems he’s a phoney trying to prove to himself and others that he’s better than them in some twisted way. Mental health is no joke
Honestly speaking, is sports betting just the same as every other gambling activity out there? At the end of the day, the house always wins?
What do you think a sample size for analyzing these sites records vs spreads or over unders im doing a study on 3 sites I figure 3 time 100 picks 300 picks to see if they csn beat the 53 percent.
Its sad seeing people defending wager talk they are so obviously touts. If you took a basic stats class at your local junior college you could figure out that Ralph is bullshiting and has zero idea what he’s talking about when it comes to his stats. Generally speaking if someone is about as coherent as joe Biden then you shouldn’t pay for their advice on sports betting. There’s a key line I always hear every tout say in every video or post they say something to the effect of i or we are going to give our opinions then they start speaking from the point of authority as if they are actually knowledgeable on the topic. I love the content keep the good work on exposing all of these frauds.
You sounds like you had a losing football season maybe next year watch wagertalk and get some free picks that are winners! Ralph had a stat that hit all season division opponents with a spread of 10 or more played to the under all season long! Check it out it ran all season long...
Old school touts
KC: 42 vs BUF:36....
Nice under!
Should have paid for my 50 bucks baccarat strategy lmao ur a clown
I mean if Buffalo doesn’t convert a 4th down with 2 minutes left the game literally would’ve been under lol
@@thsllsaturate jealous hater
Wager talk isn't like Steve Stevens or Steiner and those 900 touts.. They give people info that they can look up and research themselves.. They had a nice live game strategy to bet on the defensive team when the offense is driving inside the 40 to get more value. But yes don't buy picks.. Kelly is kinda cool she is like the cool sports chick that hangs out with the guys...
Kelly don’t sell picks. She gives hers away on Twitter.
You sound like a sook 😥 who bought some bad picks and lost 😔 😟 💸 .. ha ha 😂 . Shout out to Rob Veno, Steve merril, teddy covers 🧸, and the prez! You guys rock!!
Gianni and Rob Veno, both on Wager Talk have won me a lot of money over the past year. I've never bought any of their packages; only watch the RUclips content. No, of course they don't always win, but no one does. And they are straight up and honest about (1) not betting parlays (2) stay away from teasers in everything but the NFL and only bet "Wong Teasers". (3) don't buy points (4) the difference between laying 3.5 at -105 and -3 at -120 (no difference). They also keep track of all their records of the picks they have given for FREE on the RUclips channel. In regards to the show "Bet on It", neither Kelly, Marco, or Gianni were below 55%. I don't understand why you are so salty...
Do you actually have proof? Anyone can create a burner and say that these clowns made them money to protect their own interests.
@@angelsfan1514 I can vouch for him. I do the same exact thing. Love watching Gianni & Rob Veno. Their public plays have won me some good money. I tail them a lot, personally think they r good at what they do. P.s. I don’t no pay a dime to them I watch for free on RUclips. Give them a thumbs up 👍
I win money with this show all the time.
Yeah I have no idea what this guy is talking about. These guys have provided stats and great betting information all year… I don’t pay for plays but wager talk’s free content probably is the best content for sports betting knowledge out there
@@mariojamison6396 Maybe so but do you realize a sample size you would need to determine their long time winner. It's damn hard to beat the 52.4% at 110 . I recently did a study of Mitch Wilson and Pickdawgs for 1500 selections were horrible on their results.
Agreed whoever said Gianni was somewhere giving UFC losing picks. He was on Contender every week and he was bad with it. He kinda embodied what the average joe thinks about a fight, his money was always on whatever juiced up favorite was about to lose.
You mean he was telling the public to put THEIR money on whatever juiced up favorite was about to lose.
@@revelations18-4 Dude is straight trash on DWCS, ESPECIALLY this season that just happened lol
Thank you for your effort to bring out all this great videos.
why not just monitor the picks and publicize the results
That’s what I’m going to do…
I used to follow wager talk, then there was no traction, so I gave up. If you want to see real shit, go on picks and parlays and see Rickenbach's pick for today Nov 8, 2023, he bets on both sides of a soccer game, one team +140 and the other is +200, what the fuck? And if a tie, money refunded. That looks like a bet that will bankrupt the casinos. Am I fucking missing something? @@WhoooshyYT
I’m sure none of the touts understand building basic regression statistical models , never mind the more advanced stat modeling.
I work with a group that has been monitoring Wagertalk. I have seen value in their free picks, when filtered through your own interpretations, but purchasing their packages has definitely been documented to be a money losing proposition. I have documented their insanely horrid losing streaks that they give out with their long term packages. Lawrence "prezman" is unbelievably stupid. He claimed he can't be in the chat then immediately trolls people, who have proven to have a far superior long term record than his crew of con artist, with his wet sock puppets in the chat . A large majority of the chat is dopplegangers and wet sock puppets of the, most probably Vegas employed, scumbag talking heads. They are always on some sort of run until you buy their plays.
That is my experience as well. The real value is their free pick analysis in helping me narrow down my own research and picks. The paid picks are not appreciably better than the free picks on the show.
100% fact. They cannot win when you pay ever. They work for the books 100%.
So basically people say the FREE picks given on show are good and winning percentages, while "buying" the packages may not be worth it. Okay so I don't see the problem.
NEVER PAY FOR PICKS!!!
Great Video. Your comment from 7 mins to 8 mins could NOT have been better/more true.
"Bet on it" all FREE picks with average line -110 had +38 unit this season, this is a FACT, all your saying is not proved by any facts, Kelly was fired from ESPN for 9 years old tweets, not because she is tout, shame on you.
I’m 15 mins into your video wanting for you to back up your points that these guys are “frauds” but all you’ve done thus far is call everyone clowns and touts with poor audio/video equipment.
Yep, pretty much. And the clip he uses of Marco involves Marco giving WINNING advice. Titans didn't cover and lost outright; Henry wasn't himself. The game played out exactly how Marco said it would. Yet that is the clip this guy chose to "expose Marco as a fraud". Not only is this guy petty and salty, he apparently did poor research when coming up with this video.
Are you going to do The early edge on Sportsline would love to see your analysis of that show.?
Thanks for exposing them for us
Go with your own pick. Forget others picks. When you hit youre own pick, wins wil come
Sample size too small then the data too old. I would love the detail of is perfect sample size in period for a trend. You’re saying it’s wrong but not saying the right time frame of a trend.
There was a comment about them being transparent about their records, that is absolutely false. They are always claiming to be on some type of impressive run, but we have documented 12 different long term packages, of at least one month, of which not a single one was over 53% winning picks. If I am not winning over 75% I do not consider it a good run.
if your winning 75% long term your a billionaire😃
@@henrymartinez5224 go get a booster shot genius
@@henrymartinez5224 even short term if you have a good bank roll
I am a fan of Wagertalk. I bought picks from VR this season and lost money. I am open to your argument that they are scammers...but I think it would be much better if you had tracked their results and could offer proof instead of just giving their presentation a negative review.
Just interested to see if they really win on an annual basis and by how many unit, then you calculate the money you invest to but their picks in to see if they are profitable. Doesnt matter what they said on the shows cuz there's always argument to be made on any bet
I’ve made money on Tokyo Brandon’s 30 day all access… but I wouldn’t advise paying for anything they or anyone else has unless you’re betting a dime or more per game
How are they scamming anybody? Gianni is about as transparent as it gets and releases a ton of free picks and great information. They don’t force anybody to buy packages/picks and every adult should be responsible for the money they spend.
I totally agree with you! I've been following him for years and he gives out free picks and he hits at about 55 or 56% so I have no idea what the hell this dude is talkin about
Maybe cuz people can't stand that you can acutually profit in betting witbout a model
Plus that show is just free show lol
They are scamming because they are full of sheeeet lmao😂😂😂
How so. This William Leiss is. He stated on another video he would kill for a guaranteed 3 UNITS profit a month. That's pathetic. Even my roulette system I've lived off for over 8 years. Can generate an average of 60 UNITS a month.
So I have no doubt alot of these sports bettors can profit longterm even with the vig.
Leiss sounds like a loser who now dedicates his time to downing everyone else. Because he cannot win. If he needs proof I can generate an average of 60 units a month. With one of the hardest things to beat. I'm ready to shut him up..
Thanks for exposing these scams
When they say 'sharp'money they mean professional bettors (money that moves lines, 'heavy' bets on one side)
I can comment here. Yes the wager talk crew wants to bet with yours and mine money... so if your a good picker its documented. All u have to do is go on wager talk hit yesterdays plays and there they are... 3 days 7 days 30 days. Leaders. I dont get the harsh criticism here. Hell i tried a package stevee merrill... never again but one lives and learns...
Anyone know if the betting pcts on pregame are legit or are they BS like the touts?
I saw.a.pro boxing or UFC fight DraftKings and UFC together they had this guy on telling us to bet the losers
Bengals did end up winning this game though 🤷♂️
how did Teddy Covers come to 100 million dollars net worth?
Selling suckers his picks
Hint: Fade any "Expert".
Been watching Wagertalk for 2 years now. They offer information (great information) and let you do with it what you will. It’s a free channel and they taught me how to bet. Your way off here. So what they sell picks? My choice to buy my choice to play.
Big facts. Preach.!
Wagertalk is amazing. Been following for over a year. This is definitely false. 😆
For football, I have used Wager Talk RUclips video picks and compared against other free RUclips handicappers and over the past two years providing decent results……What I get out of Wager Talk:
Education on the do’s and don’ts of sports betting - 75% important
Sports betting truth - 80% important
Camera/video issues: - 0% important
Totals and side picks - 75% important
I’m in a couple of football pools (pick’em and ATS) and the RUclips handicappers (including Wager Talk), have helped me win $1,500 this year. Yes, this is luck when you have 100 people is a pool, but Wager Talk has definitely increased my odds winning some walking around
$$$$$$.....I'll be back next year........and best of all, it's all FREE!
It's amazing that "Vegas Runner" is still hyping picks, he really is the worst of the worst.
Another Jagov is the pirate Dave Cokin. He talks in a deep voice to command respect meanwhile every time they put him on to talk about a particular game he typically says he has no opinion, he's not getting to the window, he even said one time "who knows what's gonna happen"? A complete phony that one. And make no mistake, kelly is there for her expertise, NOT her looks 🙄
the sad part is Cokin is probably the sharpest they have....thats how pathetic they are
Action Network indicates where sharp money is as well as big money and other categories. You can sign up for free and see one or two games for free, probably not NFL right now since there is only the big game left. Granted sharp money can be way off of a favorable result as well as big money. All sharp money means is these bettors got the best of the line so far. My point is that its not their tout friends they are referencing.
Since sharp money always gets the best of the line, right now it could only be on the Rams as early bettors got the best of the number if betting the Rams.
There may be sharp action coming in on the Bengals from this point going forward in which case you would have to see the line swing back the other way. I do not know how much they have to bet to qualify as sharp money but its likely limit bets as limits increase the close we get to the game.
Should the line swing the other way this sharp money indicator could change from Rams to Bengals.
As always love your work, William, and in no way am I defending anyone at Wager Talk. Prez is a fucking idiot.
Yet he is a millionaire and you're not
I don't see anything at all about Dave Cokin. Thoughts on him?
that guy never makes any plays from what i see. He is always like "I'm not betting this one"
U hating fr smh
I never ever won with any of Kelly’s or Gianni’s picks.. this is the worst show out of the group.. I’m blown away by this video tho. I’ve won several thousands off the free picks alone. The basketball shows are absolutely gold. Dave cokin, Ralph Michael are tip top,…I can’t remember the close 3rd soft spoken guy who also knows his basketball but sir you are pure hatin on these folks. The show is steady growing and those stats don’t lie. Why are u speaking on these guys cameras and audio equipment??? What does that have to with anything that ur trying to expose today?sounds personal to me but hey who am I..this is bad look on you might I add. U seem bitter. I’m a loyal wagertalk viewer and I’m lightweight offended by this video. And yes now I’m bitter
Touts serve a purpose a large portion of the population are followers it never changes.
I’ve made a lot of money buying mostly 5 star picks and bowl games I’ve been happy
The value is in fading them. Every time i hear this Veno, Prez or Merrill make a pick...it seems to never come through. If you like something and one of these clowns are on the opposite side...you have a good bet.
The worst one is wannabe comedienne, the "Prez" Laurence Prezman.
You are just jealous of the way that I embody my tribes deviant sexual proclivities, deceptive business practices and hatred of anyone with actual ethics or actual talent in sports speculation.
Some people give 3 right picks in a row got free picks 3 days in a row they won
The only time I have asked anyone for a pick was because I wanted to bet the opposite of that person and I won haha.
alot of people have ther favorite youtube handicappers and some of us pay for ther premium content to show support but if your using them right its the free picks for leans you never blindly tail..
These guys mostly won’t win over the long haul or even season. They can and will get hit a few times a year and when they do. They talk each other up to sell the plays. If you’re foolish enough to buy anyones plays for more than $10 each. You better be betting $100 min a game and hope you’re following a winner.
For anybody watching this clowned out video, my brother, as an experiment took nothing but they're FREE picks for two years and he hit at 56% and won money!! that's on wagertalks FREE picks
So why would anyone bash them!!??
You should do an experiment in their vs they're....tell me if you win that wager
I’m a wager pick expert. My record speaks for itself. I have been consistent with my losses for a decade.
Gianni on Wagertalk is one of the best handicappers I’ve ever heard on the internet! I’ve watched him all football season on the show you showed a clip from and Gianni is money! You seem mad man don’t watch and stop whining!
he is really sharp with MMA as well... I honestly am shocked that a guy with "such poor audio" "who can't afford better mics" got a contract with ESPN and is nationally recognized as a solid source for betting info.
To me it's absolutely hilarious that you would say Gianni the Greek knows nothing about numbers and that he's a clown!! 😁 Gianni the Greek gives out free picks on this show and on a Monday night show... not just for the NFL! but for all kinds of sports and he usually hits at about 55 to 57% he's giving out free picks! that hit at 57%! how is that scamming anybody?? we're talkin about tennis, basketball, MMA, all kinds of shit... he's giving out free pics that win!!!!
Ralph micheals and rob veno are the only smart guys i trust. The rest are horrible...mid major matt aint bad either..rob veno and micheals take their job serious and are not scammers. Serious dudes
Creepy people
William, you really should have done your research here. It’s easy to criticize and of course there’s an element of entertainment in their programming … but I am just an average guy who has become a better bettor by watching Wager Talk content. Not only better, but a WINNING sports gambler over the last 2 years. I owe that all to the folks over at Wager Talk without ever purchasing a premium pick. It seems to me that you are letting your professional jealously get the best of you. Your viewers deserve more than just hit-pieces without any context.
My fave of the bunch is the Meth addict Vegas Runner. This fella is so sharp he came to the conclusion if he buys himself porcelain veneers he can continue to do all the meth he wants. This poor fella needs a long-term stint in rehab.
There shows are pretty good
This channel's free picks are not bad. This show had a 57% record on their picks, and another NFL show had a 66% record on "best bets" season long. Verifiable numbers. Cannot say anything about their paid picks.
Anyone who says they hit even over 57% long term at -110 is full of shit.
Why pay for picks when you can do your own research?
Your reaching for likes man
I have to disagree I've been following wager talk for a long time, I use them as a tool.... but I don't necessarily use their pics always.... but if you go back and look... the free picks are at about 55% the picks on "BET on it" are about 55% when I check their results the next day these dudes hit at about 55 to 57% so to be honest it makes no sense to bash them!! They give out Trends and angles that are very in-depth... My brother got into sports betting for the first time and just watching their shows helped him learn how to bet... they cater to new betters and they actually give out information that is legit... I'm not saying all of them are straight and narrow, maybe some of them are crooked, but I think for the most part they are not that bad.... you are really digging deep lol
Gianni the Greek is far from a clown lol Gianni the Greek has been proven for many many years... Kelly Stewart doesn't even sell picks so you're wrong about that, she's just the host of the show.... this is hilarious watching you dissect every little move they make when the reality is I've been searching for years and years for something better than wagertalk and there is nothing better as a tool.... PERIOD
Agreed
I don't think you need to put much effort in your picks. Opposite is true. Not overloading yourself with irrelevant info and overthinking is not worth it. I agree for production side they are real bad. In sports betting there is almost no Q who wins or loses but who covers the spread at least if you want to be profitable. Win or lose max is for breaking even and having fun. And I can go on and on with your critics or hate whatever.
Massive L
Not a big fan of the bet on it show that u focused on. Nba tip off is far better with skee, tony finn and rob veno + some others. Personally, i wouldn't even consider buying picks unless betting large amounts ( which I'm not yet). But listening to imo pretty knowledgeable people talk sports betting is fun and helpful in guiding my own picks. I don't believe their win/loss stats are incorrect but they do highlight the cappers who are on gd runs ( u won't hear someone say ive won 4 of my last 15 bets, but we all know it happens) so at worst u could say they're misleading. If Andy Lang says " Robert Horford has been under his PRA 5 of the last 6 games, he's just not getting the minutes and the books haven't caught up" i can check that info and make a decision. $$. Dont blindly bet every lean. Use your brain, manage your bankroll and keep learning. I do think some of Ralphs trends are nonsense ( sample size matters), can't listen to Gianni's voice but other than that wagertalk is fine. Helped me go from £600 to £2000 in 18 months
Gianni is legit relax buddy
Love these tout videos 😂😂😂
Wagertalk isn't scamming any one lol. They are the best free source of actionable information on the market. Touting picks is part of the industry and they're ultra transparent about that.
do you work for them? they literally refresh their pick history after every 20 lol why not since they started pretty obvious why
Marco was right about henry. He did have bad game. Also the wager talk people are fairly knowledgable
You are not doing anyone a favor ...Wager Talk is legit' marco has tremendous experiecne and a great feel for the game but is honest that winning consistently at more than 50% is not happening; and by the way, sports betting is not about stats my friend; it is was, then a computer could win money on a consistent basis...oh yeah...why the grudge?
Leave them alone ahhhah I still love them
Cheap sports people.
Vegas Runner ahhaha looking old the last 4 years or so lol
You love the blonde chick
Video maker is a clown
will if your so good give out your picks for free for a season and then compare!!!!!!!!
A few things...
Gianni is clearly a scam artist. Talks too fast and thinks he's slick. He's a bad movie character. I'd like to think anyone can see through his nonsense.
That said, Marco was right about Henry. You bring up practice but players coming back from injury don't look good first game back all the time, in every sport. Henry averaged 3.1 yards in that game. Not very Derrick Henry-like. I don't think what he said was so over-the-top.
I don't know much about Ralph one way or the other. And obviously what he says is already baked into the number. However, he gets shit whether his trends are too small of a sample size or if they go back too far. Pick a side here.
For the record, I know nothing about thier previous company and never buy picks from anyone. It's just videos that tend to talk about current form more often than not. Basically what ESPN and the like should be doing but never do because they think being the CNN of sports is a good thing.
Also, not everything in sports has to be some kind of analytical model. My proof? The amount of shitty decisions coaches make 'based on the analytics' every day. The Vegas Flu was a real thing in the NHL for a while there. Why is it some teams can't/rarely beat other teams on the road no matter how good/bad they are? I don't know and neither does anyone else.
All that said, you come off as kinda nasty here. Sometimes I think you hate this industry outright.
Bro, you have a video called "How to Win at Sportsbetting, GUARANTEED". Meanwhile, on nearly every Wagertalk "Bet on It" show, Gianni admits that over "95% of people who bet on sports long term are going to lose". Sounds like you sir are the one who isn't being honest and is selling a load of garbage.
This is the funniest thing I've ever read. You literally just failed by falling for the troll of the troll. Come on, now. This is why you're in the situation you're in; defending touts. Need to internalize some things.