200W Power Inverter By Livowalny
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
- Today we look at the Livowalny 200W Power Inverter for Milwaukee/Dewalt/Makita 18 volt batteries.
For what I need it for it works good. I’ve used it a few times since recording this and it hasn’t caught on fire.
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That inverter is more than likely a modified sinewave inverter, basically it produces a square wave between 0V, 120V, 0V, -120V. It doesn't like purely inductive loads (like your fan), but will run resistive loads (like lightbulbs) and things that have switch-mode power supplies (like your laptop). The reason is that resistors (lightbulbs) have no polarity and don't really care about the AC sinewave. Switch-mode power supplies first rectify the incoming 120V power before running it through a filter capacitor, so any abnormalities in the sinewave don't really affect it as long as the total apparent power is still within the PSU's rating. Inductive loads (like your fan) care a whole lot about the sinewave since the coils in the motor are designed to induce a magnetic field. Irregularities in the sinewave manifest in decreased performance and/or buzzing noises like what you experienced here.
I have another manufacturer's version (think bright green) and the clip-on inverter for the battery will happily run my CPAP machine, but when I put a fan on it, it'll buzz similar to what you're experiencing and not blow as hard. I've verified with an oscilliscope that it is producing a square wave instead of a sinewave for its output.
The real problem is they are inefficient and the battery is too small to be useful. I think these batteries top out at 5 amps. That's 90 watt hours. But add in the conservative BMS and it's probably more like 80. Add in the inefficiency of the inverter and you cut it down even more. By the time all is said and done, you're down into the 50s in watt-hour terms..
Thanks for the great comment.
How many hours do you reckon you get running your cpap?
@@dudehaha3000 I ran it off a 4ah 18v battery. With no humidifier, it ran at just under four hours. When we were using it during a major power outage, I would stage a second fully charged battery by the inverter so when the low battery beeper went off, I would swap batteries, restart the cpap, and fall back asleep.
A slight correction: They will be going above 120V. Remember that the RMS is 120V. On a sinewave, that puts the peak at some 120*sqrt(2)=170V. They will likely go for about the same RMS and also the same peak voltage.
Now that you have all that RUclips power, we thank you for using it for good and not evil.
I'm a guy that has to rely on laptops. I travel nearly everywhere with at least two, if not 3 laptops - troubleshooting networks, cameras, and equipment.
One of these will likely go in my kit... probably one or more in each of my service trucks. I carry DeWalt and Milwaukee on all my vehicles plus Makita on a couple.
TIP: With Laptops I have moved to ones that charge via USB, and carry power banks capable of charging them. A good power bank will cost you as much as a battery for any of the worthwhile brands, fits easily into my laptop bag, and will give me over two hours of additional runtime.
If it's only using the positive and negative contacts on the battery, you can use a cut-off wheel to modify the rails that hold the battery to accept DeWalt 20v packs as well. I've done that on a couple M18 radios. Works great.
Good to know 👍🏻
Damn, it's Wednesday already, feel like I was just watching the last video a couple days ago. Time flies.
Imagine how I must feel 😜
Love these types of videos from you Wes thanks.
That’s hilarious. I was thinking, “RUclipsr privilege,” the moment you said it. Even in a S. Wisconsin/N. Illinois accent.
Hi Wes just to say I love the channel, educational and funny. After a crappy day at work your short videos never fail to put a smile on my face😂. I took the liberty to look up a replacement battery price for your laptop and it's about £40 in the UK for a genuine Lenovo one. Keep up the good work buddy.
Their warnty from Milwaukee awesome, they rebuilt my cordless circle saw, had it back in the week.
I suspect the laptop is powered at 19 volts. The battery has 18-20 volts. The simplest would be to make a cable to power the laptop directly from the battery. A battery adapter on one end, a laptop plug on the other. Pay attention to the polarity when soldering them.
This way you probably double the autonomy of the laptop, because you no longer have losses converting direct current to alternating current and then back to direct current. Plus you don't have to carry around kilos of adapters. Just a cable.
I use the Milwaukee Top Off in the field, it’s served me well.
Love these videos I’ve been looking at inverter to run a 12 volt fuel pump . Thanks a lot funk
At best you have a 90 watt hour battery. But call it 80 with a conservative BMS. Call efficiency 70% and you have 56 watt hours to play with. A 112w load would drain the battery in 30 minutes.
That laptop would be much better off just running directly off the battery. Most laptop power supplies are 15-18v.
This one is 20v and it doesn’t belong to me 😁
You should check out utility shelves. A portable magnetic shelf. I use it daily for laptop tools etc.
I’m a low volt technician, and personally enjoyed all your vids for the last year or so now. The fact you don’t just drop nuggets of knowledge about tools and devices history and functionalities, I stick around. Being 26, you for sure teach me stuff I definitely feel like knowing.
Thanks bud 👍🏻
I couldn't quite put my finger on what it is that you sound like in your videos, like as if you're struggling or something. Then it hit me, this has to be it - you only film when you're constipated!
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The official Milwaukee inverter for m18 battery’s is pretty awesome. I use it everyday. Industrial maintenance tech nights for Cincinnati type press machines.
I have a T410 and a T430. Spending a couple of bucks for a new SSD made a world of difference in them. I know what you mean about how long it takes to boot Windows. The SSD booted it in about 1 minute after I changed it. They keep getting cheaper, and are easy to replace in the old Thinkpads. I used my T430 with Forscan, and had the same issue with battery life. It's good to know that these cheap inverters will work. Thanks.
I too work on material handling equipment (Raymond) and use my Milwaukee 175w inverter everyday…..phone….tablet….laptop….flashlight…it’s part of my EDC….Invaluable. You can run a 32” tv on that sucker.
The reason why Chinese products sold outside of China have weird manufacturer names is because of drop shippers trademarking any random thing as a name to put their brand on something and it almost guarantees that someone who finds and purchases an item of theirs on Amazon or whatever can just look up the random brand name and be guaranteed to find their products more likely than just trying to search the type of product. It increases the number of customers and also creates a "manufacturer" or "company" for the product even you'll probably come across over a dozen of the same item under various brand names that were created in a similar fashion. A huge giveaway that it was mass produced in a factory that caters to multiple drop shippers is the fact the logo looks like a cheap sticker that the real manufacturer will change based on the customer who is ordering them in bulk and will slap the customers brand name on who will then sell it on as if it were their own product
I use a milwaukee top off for a shity laptop with a 10-minute battery for instrumentation, and it works great and i bet the 50$ one works just as well.
If you don’t get on with that inverter you can get ones that plug into a 12v cigarette lighter. I use one for my laptop at work the odd time I need it
I bought one of those years ago from Harbor Freight and it smoking 😜 I probably should have got one for more than $15
I have the official one, makes a good mobile soldering power point
Just FYI - the Milwaukee name brand inverter is REALLY good
I'm a "red army" as I believe you've you've said. But I've love milwaukee stuff of all kinds especially the pocket lights and "fastback" razor knives. Been through alot because I work on ships and climbing into the bilge is a big problem.... coast is cheaper and probably works great. But you get that blue light instead of that white milwaukee light.
Check out convoy S2+. You can get them in all sorts of colour temperatures. I have one in 2700k with biscotti programming. Set it to start in low every time and battery life is good and it's incandescent light colour which I love
It's prononced " live wildly " because everytime you use it you're gambling with whatever you're plugging into it !
The “N” at the end was throwing me off 😜
Did I just hear the clinking of ice in a cocktail at 12:44? What 's your poison of choice? Me, I'm A peanut butter whiskey by Screwball!
Screwball is good stuff. I prefer Scotch. Johnny Walker black label 😎👍🏻
Love you Funk! I just started trying to make videos myself wish me luck😂
I've been thinking about getting one of these cheapies for dewalrus
Granted you have an older laptop so you can't directly charge from USB-C, but powerbanks that are capable of 20V over USB-C are becoming very common these days, and IMO are better than going from DC -> 120v AC -> DC, saves you a step and a loss of energy in heat.
that T420 laptop is an oldie but a good one. You should be able to find a replacement battery for it easily enough and cheap enough.
It doesn’t belong to me 😁
Yeah, thats exactly why ive got an inverter wired into my car's electrical with a kill switch for when i dont need it. Tuning laptop needs something to plug in to 😂 mine is like an 800 watt though.
For lithium cells you dont usually want it below around 3.2v per cell, 18v batteries usually come out to 5 cells. Technically they can go down to 2.8 but its hard on the batteries.
I’ve noticed a lot of these tools cut out really early. It’s to save the tool and battery but theirs a lot usable energy left in them.
If that laptop ever kicks the bucket or too much of a hassle I can recommend a netbook, they're smaller but still quite capable. I used one for a cad-cam program and some other machine shop related services. Built my own case for it and dragged it through the shop for years until it failed about 5 years, which comes down to a cost of about 75 euros per year. Rugged tablets with any usable connections for your kind of work are unfortunately quite costly.
My company gives these to us. They’re usually used from salesman when they get new ones 😜
Give the guy with an outlet the good battery. The guy in the field a used battery. Makes perfect sense
Ya know having a fan I can run off my tool batteries when the power goes out might be very nice.
You’d be better off just buying a cheap fan from one of these companies. I’ve seen them as low as $20 and it’ll last a lot longer. 👍🏻
can you find and cover a mains adapter that terminates in to a battery connector for using mains power to power your tools with a cord when your batteries are dead
DeWalt made that for one of their chop saws. The problem is they figured out it was cooking the motors and they told people to stop using it 😜
@@FunkFPV I think Ryobi does one too but Ryobi is not a brand of power tool most would want to go out to buy unless they have a tight budget
I'm surprised you didn't still use the power meter with the inverter, to compare the numbers. Wonder if your new friends over at Milwaukee want to send you their version to test for us whether the extra $50 is worth it, one would hope they use a pure sine wave inverter rather than just slapping their sticker on the "good enough" product :)
I didn’t want to cook it with that artificial sine wave coming out of that thing. It got a little goofy of camera with no load on it.
Do you like those load testers? And where can I find them? Or are they all basically the same?
They do what I need them for. I got these for Amazon. I did a video on these a few months back.
I read somewhere that the Chinese use these absurd names for liability litigation purposes.
That’s part of it. If too many of their products burn people’s houses down they change the name and buy new stickers.
Is yours making any buzzing type noise that changes when you move around the plug?
So the power goes 20VDC to 120VAC then to 19VDC. Shame there's not a battery hat like this that is a buck converter and gives you the same output the laptop's brick uses.
I wonder if using the USB-C plug to charge a more modern device is more efficient, less conversion so less loss ?
It would be but this is supplied by my company so I got to deal with what I got.
You can't trust this guy. He's probably not even wearing safety sandals.
Actually, I think I was wearing slippers recording this video 😜
@@FunkFPV 😆
C'mon plug a microwave or sawzall into it
Have you seen those dreadful hydraulic oil incidents at work. One happened to a feller years ago. He wasn't repairing, just fiddling around trying to figure out the problem.
We had a guy die from an oil injection at my company before I started there.
@@FunkFPV Dang, that is terrible
BLASPHEMER!
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They don't care if the name is a word. In fact, t hey don't want it to be a word. They care that Amazon accepts it as a "brand".
Laptop 18 DC . 18 vote DC batteries but have to have 120 vote ac
Will this thing eventually cook your m18 battery?
It shouldn’t. It has under voltage protection but it is a knockoff so keep that in mind.
@@FunkFPV for anyone in the market, the Milwaukee topoff occasionally goes on sale for $60-$70 (with “the hack”)
I always wondered if you smoke or not?
I mostly vape now but I still occasionally enjoy the analog version 😎
The problems with cheap inverters are poor quality AC and more importantly, very poor efficiency. Don't believe any efficiency rating they put on it, because that is max efficiency at a specific load using a specific type of load. These things can go below 50% efficiency.
I wouldn’t trust it for much more than charging my laptop.
My reaction to one bit at the end. Meant as poking fun, which I hope you take in the same spirit as the fun-poking you use on others.
Love your vids, especially the Stumpy & Rate Your Safety bits. 😂
I think I’m gonna order the Livowalny Invertor. That could be handy.
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Now all you need is an adapter with a funny name for dewalt batteries to milwaukee tools.😉
Would like to see a non-specific gay man from the Isle of Man to pull this thing apart
one. moment. pleaze.
My only question is why is usb-a still a thing? Even Amazon headlamps are type c
I still have a bunch of usb-a stuff kicking around.
Why not, and hear me out, order a replacement laptop battery. Maybe you got to that point and my tinnitus kicked into overdrive.
Fix the problem. Not the symptom.
Probably a company laptop
It’s not my laptop
We should design a random company name generator for the Chinese tool industry. We'd be rich!
You have to prove it can work underwater, cut padlocks, and demonstrate it with bare feet and a messed up toe though
@@garageofscrap that might be a little harder to do. 🤣
Why not just buy a new laptop battery they're like 20 dollars
This is my laptop. It’s supply to me by my company and they have to put their proprietary software on it.
@@FunkFPV makes sense
Funk, no offense to you at all. How do veterans feel about non veterans wearing shirts like that? I like them but don't want to offend anyone. Can anyone shed some light for me?
Veterans don’t mind it at all. They appreciate people the support.
@FunkFPV ok. I like those and support the message but didn't want it to come across as "stolen valor" or something
Not everything is stolen valor. Lots of veteran organisations sell shirts of all kinds for fund raising
THAT MEANS YOU HAVE POWER OVER THAT COMPANY. THE NORMALS DONT GET TREATED THAT WAY AT ALL. EVER.
Why do you feel the need to scream though? It's rude.
I just wanted a working flashlight 😜
oops on the caps. 1000 apologies.
The name of the manufacturer is in Chinglish.
wanna join my minecraft server
I’m not falling for that again 🤣
In the spirit of your shorts videos, why buy a $25 replacement laptop battery so you can get five hours of use when you could buy a $50 200 watt inverter and get one charges worth of that old laptop battery?
Just buy a laptop battery. Be a man! Take the bottom of your laptop off swap out the battery and boom.
You also will have a faster laptop because your laptop won’t go into low power mode because you have a bad battery.
I newer see what you are presenting because you are flaggering all over the screen!
He's doing what all over the screen? 🤨
Engrish prease 🙏
To be fair I don’t understand what you’re saying so I guess we’re even 👍🏻