Download times have never really been an issue for me in msfs.. I don't mind waiting for a flight to start. I'm more interested in how much better performance will be in msfs24.. especially in VR.
YES, this comment exactly. I have top of the line hardware 7800x3D, 64GB ram, RTX 4090... and i currently play in VR and i'm wondering if the multi-threading will take advantage of the 8 cores in the CPU bc right now the game is CPU bottlenecked.
My guess is that performance will be similar to 2020 now, which sounds bad but when you think about how much more detailed the new sim is, it makes sense. Multi core threading will help a lot, and it will help with sceneries and aircraft systems so much since majority won’t be hogging the main thread, in 2020, having animated objects at airports, especially cars, causes so much hurt on the main thread it creates huge stutters, that should fingers crossed be better in 2024. And also, cloud based gaming will rely on more internet than PCs which is good
Download is significant when we have world updates. It's nice to know now that they will be streamed from the cloud and just be there ready. Also no corrupt installs.
If you're not a technical person, please don't say stuff you don't know. It doesn't work that way in Cloud. There's something called high availability and scale up/down. 🥱
I thought that at first and was quite worried, but I realised, even when servers go down now, the game looks so crazy bad with offline textures that I don’t really play anyway😂 also, the game rarely goes down now so I have hope, and I’m sure they put a lot more defence mechanisms up in case of outages
Fantastic work for Asobo! I think a dedicated VR development focus in MSFS 2024 will distinguish this Sim/Game from every other. It is possibly the most important VR experience in the world right now. Perfecting the VR capabilities of MSFS 2024 opens the market to every VR headset owner and future owner as a Digital Tourist. VR enthusiasts want immersion, and MSFS 2024 offers an unequaled immersive experience. It's the closest thing we have to a digital representation of the world. Full focus on VR in MSFS 2024 will set the standard for all future digital immersive experiences to come. It's very exciting. Can't wait to see it in action!
You better not take that high expectations, more than that ,the technology nowadays is still far from good to play simulators on PC in VR with realistic graphics, just because it can not handle high resolutions smoothly. You probably might still see blurry image in front of your eyes. There is lack of technology on headset displays and GPU sides.
@@nauvofact993 there is quadview, and as i understood, it is implemented now in the latest openxr standard? now that could bring msfs vr performance and quality to a new level.
Thank you for asking about Xbox players. Some of us either can’t afford a pc or can’t get permission. The sim needs to be better and more stable for us than 2020 has been. Xbox simmers should get a little more information and love in terms of performance since we can’t change our hardware. So thanks for even asking.
Probably a good idea, I would agree to have this flexibility , let's say you fly Europe, Americas, whatever they just download the areas you use the most ... that would be the best going forward
I retained few things I eared here for the first time among all videos I've watched about 2024. 1st and the most desirable is 24 hours Real Time Weather buffer. 2nd, the fact that devs have to take in count the tectonic plates movement. My lord! the complexity of their work is so beyond what I can imagine. Last one is Ray Tracing. I can't wait!!!
I'm hoping there will be a way to visualize wake turbulence so you can learn how it develops, travels, and dissipates. Wakes will make for more challenging group flights anyway!
Just download the airplane flying handbook. It should be free from the FAA and it describes how it works. There are also plenty of resources on RUclips.
Just download the airplane flying handbook. It should be free from the FAA and it describes how it works. There are also plenty of resources on RUclips.
Not at launch. They said they made some improvements, but I can't tell what they are from looking at all the screenshots and videos. But don't keep your expectations high.
In the walk around mode will you be able to use your VR controllers? I would love to be able to walk around in VR standing up using VR controllers, and then get in the pilot seat. The trees and the terrain and the lighting all look fantastic to me. But, when are we going to see some photogrammetry footage? I am simultaneously hopeful and worried for MSFS 2024.
17:54 I think this is a question that one needs to understand better... In reality, of course the old consoles can't offer what PC can at this point. But Asobo is a part of MS, so they _can not_ talk down the XBox experience. This is why he used the word "similar". Which can mean all kinds of things. In reality, new consoles are coming out. So expect the best 2024 experience on console to be only available on those.
I think the issue with that is performance, when they say they download the LOD , for me at least in the msfs2020 the performance is severely impacted when downloading a photogrametry area, probably more complex than others but again, this will now still depend on your CPU and network bandwidth? Maybe they tested this only on lab, let's hope that it has improved that far so it can be really done. I like the idea , or maybe a optional rolling cache for areas you mostly fly so you dont need the network to be that required all the time. Anyway I think having a thin client is ok if that works ok... because the current sim is really heavy to load and 1TB is actually a normal install if you consider all the World Updates, etc.
The sunlight still looks cartoony. As if there's a bluish "too white" tint to the light, and not golden as if from the sun. Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for a new sim but it's something I've noticed since 2000. Almost like they're doing post processing and oversaturating like realtors do when they take pics of a home for sale and the home looks "too good" rather than real like your eye sees.
I don’t care about anything else except for performance, i want to be flying with the feel of immersion and i can only do that with an optimised sim that will actually not feed me stutters and huge fps drops
So a big unanswered question is if you set your rolling cache to let’s say 1TB, how well will the sim perform since the data may not be written as efficiently to your SSD compared to 2020. They have not been asked any questions on what kind of stress testing has performed on 2024 for both software, network and server side.
PREDICTION: the cloud download that's required WHILE you play the game, as opposed to the current downloads BEFORE you play the game, will have issues Asobo haven't predicted.
I am hoping that they have been able to leverage more cores in the CPU. I have a 13900KS and reasonably fast DDR5 ram, and I get reasonably good frame for most flying, but this is not with the terrain slider maxed out, and while I have largely conquered bad stutters, in busy airports (LAX as an example) the frame rate still gets slow, and while I don't get bad stutters, I don't get really smooth views. In the current sim, the terrain and Object sliders are the biggest impact. Is it going to be the same in 2024?
They do a lot better management of cores in 2024. Seb talks about this in someone else's video, and additionally, he talked about it on the official developer stream last week.
Not sure what was broken for you, but if you're aware of a frequency that doesn't work in 2020, it's probably not going to work in 2024. They use the same world. If you're aware of some frequencies that don't work, I would log some Zendesk bug reports about them.
i wonder what speed of internet is required for MSFS 2024 for it to be smooth with full detail? and will our MSFS 2020 profile / Microsoft profile be transferred over to the 2024 version so we automatically get all the add on scenery / aircraft etc we previously purchased on the 2020 version?
This looks phenomenal.. one thing I'd like to know is there an easy mode, I struggled really bad with the last game as it was too technical for the most part with bigger aircraft.
@@lurchilurch5507 Thank you for replying to my question it is much appreciated.. The assists helped me tremendously with the last game but again this game is not easy, I was thinking more along the lines of a casual arcade style mode instead of me panicking when I get a cross wind 😂
@@babyboijeremy I have a pc and a series X but why wouldn't an arcade style be good.. think of all the gamers that would try the game if it was made easier for beginners.. the simulator is basically a professional level application for most people to even contemplate jumping on board and have a go.
@@DeltaXray444 The flight model is already kind of arcadey to be forgiving. They need to focus on makibg it more realistic and then tone it down for arcade players. If you go into settings the assist are there. Rudder assist, flight assist, anti stall assist, co pilot assist, atc assist. Its all already in the sim.
What about the supposedly ATC overhaul !!?? No one seems to be talking about it or trying to get more info regarding if this is tackled or not in the MS2024... Unless I have missed something.
yeah that is really gonna be interesting to see. However we can already see in this video that ATC is telling a Cessna to climb to FL410 which is is ridiculous😂
Seems like it needs more aircraft shaking and wing flex when taking off and landing, remember runways are not perfectly even, also in real life and there is an unbalance real things don’t act like robots.
Really disappointed that there weren’t more changes made to the weather simulation. Cirrus clouds and a 24 hour playback? That’s all? 1/2 of aviation is weather. Should have been more of an emphasis on it.
Doesn't look like I'll ever be playing this. I'm a truck driver, my Hotspot only allows 50 gig per month. Local installs are my only option unless they have some kind of workaround
Ray tracing in flight sim?! What fore ?! Do you think your computer will be enogh for msfs2024 with RT?! I guess 6090 is not enough for playinf msfs2024 in VR with RT.
HD space is cheap... I'd much rather have data local, even if 4+T... All vid's I see so far I don't see much better detail. Trees seem all the same AGAIN and in wrong places and too high. This is an update in my mind, not something new. Sorry. Yeah, I have a pilot license and +++ hours up there... Nice things added, but it's a money grab we can't get around. So, yeah I'll throw $$ at them, like we all will.
The way the helicopters fly in this video, especially landing on the lighthouse, looks incredibly arcade. I hope that’s easy mode, if not, it will be a disappointment to fly helicopters.
Man, MSFS2020 was arcade game. Why you think 2024 will be another ? DCS world have some plains with realistic flight model. Try FREE cy25T for example. After you flight cy25t in dcs - starm msfs AND YOU WILL SEE - ALL msfs is arcade for little children. Even on professional mode. I know that some additional plaines in msfs2020 for money, have some realistic flight model, but i am not trying them.
At first glance that A-10 footage looks so good, but if you look closely there are quite some microstutters. Really hope this is more of a recording artefact!
I want yo know is physics are so arcade also as in 2020?? After playing DCS world it is impossible to speak abut physics in msfs seriously. :))) Just try even free SU25T and after start msfs 2020. It is like game for children feels like. Why msfs have not normal flight models ?! All flightphysicsmodels are maxinun arcade style in msfs. I use DOF cockpit with vibration and i have experience - i knpw what i talking about. Helicopters in MSFS MAXIMUM SUCK. It is so far from real physics... Just try MI24 in DCS and you will understand what i am talking about.
Download times have never really been an issue for me in msfs.. I don't mind waiting for a flight to start. I'm more interested in how much better performance will be in msfs24.. especially in VR.
YES, this comment exactly.
I have top of the line hardware 7800x3D, 64GB ram, RTX 4090... and i currently play in VR and i'm wondering if the multi-threading will take advantage of the 8 cores in the CPU bc right now the game is CPU bottlenecked.
same here
My guess is that performance will be similar to 2020 now, which sounds bad but when you think about how much more detailed the new sim is, it makes sense. Multi core threading will help a lot, and it will help with sceneries and aircraft systems so much since majority won’t be hogging the main thread, in 2020, having animated objects at airports, especially cars, causes so much hurt on the main thread it creates huge stutters, that should fingers crossed be better in 2024. And also, cloud based gaming will rely on more internet than PCs which is good
Download is significant when we have world updates. It's nice to know now that they will be streamed from the cloud and just be there ready. Also no corrupt installs.
Yea but Xbox users are and that's what we are tied to now sadly.
My most anticipated game of the year.
Condor 3 and MSFS2024. What a year!
the biggest problem with the cloud system will be, if/when the servers are down, you won't be able to play
If you're not a technical person, please don't say stuff you don't know. It doesn't work that way in Cloud. There's something called high availability and scale up/down. 🥱
Oh boy so true
I thought that at first and was quite worried, but I realised, even when servers go down now, the game looks so crazy bad with offline textures that I don’t really play anyway😂 also, the game rarely goes down now so I have hope, and I’m sure they put a lot more defence mechanisms up in case of outages
actually ! your rolling cache would still be there, so depending how big you set it, you might be fine for a bit :)
Or if you take your Xbox with you to another house that has slow internet
Fantastic work for Asobo! I think a dedicated VR development focus in MSFS 2024 will distinguish this Sim/Game from every other. It is possibly the most important VR experience in the world right now.
Perfecting the VR capabilities of MSFS 2024 opens the market to every VR headset owner and future owner as a Digital Tourist. VR enthusiasts want immersion, and MSFS 2024 offers an unequaled immersive experience. It's the closest thing we have to a digital representation of the world. Full focus on VR in MSFS 2024 will set the standard for all future digital immersive experiences to come.
It's very exciting. Can't wait to see it in action!
Rtx 5090 is not enough for VR in msfs 2024. I am sure!!! You will see !!
You better not take that high expectations, more than that ,the technology nowadays is still far from good to play simulators on PC in VR with realistic graphics, just because it can not handle high resolutions smoothly. You probably might still see blurry image in front of your eyes. There is lack of technology on headset displays and GPU sides.
@@nauvofact993 there is quadview, and as i understood, it is implemented now in the latest openxr standard? now that could bring msfs vr performance and quality to a new level.
Thank you for asking about Xbox players. Some of us either can’t afford a pc or can’t get permission. The sim needs to be better and more stable for us than 2020 has been. Xbox simmers should get a little more information and love in terms of performance since we can’t change our hardware. So thanks for even asking.
Indeed. We are like half the player base of FS2020. That's something
You should be able to choose to download what you want installed on your hard drive and stream the cloud for everything else
Probably a good idea, I would agree to have this flexibility , let's say you fly Europe, Americas, whatever they just download the areas you use the most ... that would be the best going forward
I retained few things I eared here for the first time among all videos I've watched about 2024. 1st and the most desirable is 24 hours Real Time Weather buffer. 2nd, the fact that devs have to take in count the tectonic plates movement. My lord! the complexity of their work is so beyond what I can imagine. Last one is Ray Tracing.
I can't wait!!!
Yes I am looking forward to MSFS 2024.
Smaller install is a huge blessing for XSS owners like myself!!
I'm hoping there will be a way to visualize wake turbulence so you can learn how it develops, travels, and dissipates. Wakes will make for more challenging group flights anyway!
Just download the airplane flying handbook. It should be free from the FAA and it describes how it works. There are also plenty of resources on RUclips.
Just download the airplane flying handbook. It should be free from the FAA and it describes how it works. There are also plenty of resources on RUclips.
What about ATC? Is ATC closer to real life?
Not at launch. They said they made some improvements, but I can't tell what they are from looking at all the screenshots and videos. But don't keep your expectations high.
Good stuff Paris, thank you
In the walk around mode will you be able to use your VR controllers? I would love to be able to walk around in VR standing up using VR controllers, and then get in the pilot seat.
The trees and the terrain and the lighting all look fantastic to me. But, when are we going to see some photogrammetry footage?
I am simultaneously hopeful and worried for MSFS 2024.
17:54 I think this is a question that one needs to understand better... In reality, of course the old consoles can't offer what PC can at this point. But Asobo is a part of MS, so they _can not_ talk down the XBox experience. This is why he used the word "similar". Which can mean all kinds of things.
In reality, new consoles are coming out. So expect the best 2024 experience on console to be only available on those.
There won't be any new Xbox until like 2028 tho.
I think the issue with that is performance, when they say they download the LOD , for me at least in the msfs2020 the performance is severely impacted when downloading a photogrametry area, probably more complex than others but again, this will now still depend on your CPU and network bandwidth? Maybe they tested this only on lab, let's hope that it has improved that far so it can be really done. I like the idea , or maybe a optional rolling cache for areas you mostly fly so you dont need the network to be that required all the time. Anyway I think having a thin client is ok if that works ok... because the current sim is really heavy to load and 1TB is actually a normal install if you consider all the World Updates, etc.
I can't wait anymore.. this game is absolutely the most realistic game of all time ❤
On flat screen they have lags. It is 110% that you cant play msfs2024 max settings in VR even with 5090. You will see it.
@@nauvofact993Iam not that sure I play 2020 on high ultra with a 3080 it’s also your settings for VR it’s smooth playing for me and it looks beautiful
The sunlight still looks cartoony. As if there's a bluish "too white" tint to the light, and not golden as if from the sun. Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for a new sim but it's something I've noticed since 2000. Almost like they're doing post processing and oversaturating like realtors do when they take pics of a home for sale and the home looks "too good" rather than real like your eye sees.
I don’t care about anything else except for performance, i want to be flying with the feel of immersion and i can only do that with an optimised sim that will actually not feed me stutters and huge fps drops
So a big unanswered question is if you set your rolling cache to let’s say 1TB, how well will the sim perform since the data may not be written as efficiently to your SSD compared to 2020. They have not been asked any questions on what kind of stress testing has performed on 2024 for both software, network and server side.
PREDICTION: the cloud download that's required WHILE you play the game, as opposed to the current downloads BEFORE you play the game, will have issues Asobo haven't predicted.
Yeah they clearly haven't thought of that! 🤥
I am hoping that they have been able to leverage more cores in the CPU. I have a 13900KS and reasonably fast DDR5 ram, and I get reasonably good frame for most flying, but this is not with the terrain slider maxed out, and while I have largely conquered bad stutters, in busy airports (LAX as an example) the frame rate still gets slow, and while I don't get bad stutters, I don't get really smooth views. In the current sim, the terrain and Object sliders are the biggest impact. Is it going to be the same in 2024?
They do a lot better management of cores in 2024. Seb talks about this in someone else's video, and additionally, he talked about it on the official developer stream last week.
I have a question.
Will the ATIS/AWOS frequencies actually work this time around?
Not sure what was broken for you, but if you're aware of a frequency that doesn't work in 2020, it's probably not going to work in 2024. They use the same world. If you're aware of some frequencies that don't work, I would log some Zendesk bug reports about them.
Great video, Parris.
i wonder what speed of internet is required for MSFS 2024 for it to be smooth with full detail? and will our MSFS 2020 profile / Microsoft profile be transferred over to the 2024 version so we automatically get all the add on scenery / aircraft etc we previously purchased on the 2020 version?
i think they are saying Optimal is 100mbps and recommended at least 50.
I got 1 Gbps up and down unlimited :)
Would be great to know if the frames will be better or worce.
He didn’t mention Ray Tracing OUTSIDE the cockpit, any news on that? Imagine how the world would look then.
The biggest game by far. Fantastic technology.
Will the AIRAC be up to date or will it still lag behind like in 2020?
whhat size of cache is needed if my internet is weak ? I guess setting 50 Go cache as big as the install size should be a minimum ?
This looks phenomenal.. one thing I'd like to know is there an easy mode, I struggled really bad with the last game as it was too technical for the most part with bigger aircraft.
There are always lots of assists you can turn on, even in 2020 already. But yeh it's not an arcade game..
@@lurchilurch5507
Thank you for replying to my question it is much appreciated..
The assists helped me tremendously with the last game but again this game is not easy, I was thinking more along the lines of a casual arcade style mode instead of me panicking when I get a cross wind 😂
I HOPE TO GOD THEY DONT DO THAT. Use the assist in settings, or get an xbox.
@@babyboijeremy
I have a pc and a series X but why wouldn't an arcade style be good.. think of all the gamers that would try the game if it was made easier for beginners.. the simulator is basically a professional level application for most people to even contemplate jumping on board and have a go.
@@DeltaXray444 The flight model is already kind of arcadey to be forgiving. They need to focus on makibg it more realistic and then tone it down for arcade players. If you go into settings the assist are there. Rudder assist, flight assist, anti stall assist, co pilot assist, atc assist. Its all already in the sim.
I wish they used Google street view to make the buildings really accurate.
Not gonna happen
when will it be released to public? oh went to Google: said November 19. Great! can´t wait
Have they got rid of the Community folder?
No, it will still be there.
It really is amazing work. I want access .. to this to build
This is the second time thata we have to buy something without weather radar.
shared cockpit and real weather radar for the fenix integrated now?
Nope
What about the supposedly ATC overhaul !!??
No one seems to be talking about it or trying to get more info regarding if this is tackled or not in the MS2024...
Unless I have missed something.
yeah that is really gonna be interesting to see. However we can already see in this video that ATC is telling a Cessna to climb to FL410 which is is ridiculous😂
They have not really tackled it. They said that there were "some" improvements, but don't expect any kind of major overhaul.
Seems like it needs more aircraft shaking and wing flex when taking off and landing, remember runways are not perfectly even, also in real life and there is an unbalance real things don’t act like robots.
Really disappointed that there weren’t more changes made to the weather simulation. Cirrus clouds and a 24 hour playback? That’s all? 1/2 of aviation is weather. Should have been more of an emphasis on it.
Doesn't look like I'll ever be playing this. I'm a truck driver, my Hotspot only allows 50 gig per month. Local installs are my only option unless they have some kind of workaround
Some users will be better off with FS2020. I will wait for real life reviews before buying.
Will raytracing allow the cockpit window blinds in aircraft to actually have an affect.
Ray tracing in flight sim?! What fore ?! Do you think your computer will be enogh for msfs2024 with RT?! I guess 6090 is not enough for playinf msfs2024 in VR with RT.
@@nauvofact993personally don’t use vr with flight sim. Using cockpit buttons is too annoying.
32gb RAM its norm for msfs 2024 or no?(rtx4070ti super 7800x3d)
For VR- not enough 5090 :)) if you play on flat screen it will be enough.
I HAVE 256 GB RAM so
@@FreightFox its not good idea because i need for all tasks max 48
They need to add driveable cars
Turbo Cherub
what specs you has? thanks :D
Specs i think they have maximum good. Like 4090 and 14900. But game will work normally on rtx 6090. Especially in VR. 110%
Still no working wiper though? xD
They have stated that wipers will work in 2024.
HD space is cheap... I'd much rather have data local, even if 4+T... All vid's I see so far I don't see much better detail. Trees seem all the same AGAIN and in wrong places and too high. This is an update in my mind, not something new. Sorry. Yeah, I have a pilot license and +++ hours up there... Nice things added, but it's a money grab we can't get around. So, yeah I'll throw $$ at them, like we all will.
12:34 I thought shadows, especially in the cockpit, were supposed to be fixed ? This looks meh
HUD IS STILL SHIT!! GET THE HECK RID OF IT
The way the helicopters fly in this video, especially landing on the lighthouse, looks incredibly arcade. I hope that’s easy mode, if not, it will be a disappointment to fly helicopters.
Man, MSFS2020 was arcade game. Why you think 2024 will be another ? DCS world have some plains with realistic flight model. Try FREE cy25T for example. After you flight cy25t in dcs - starm msfs AND YOU WILL SEE - ALL msfs is arcade for little children. Even on professional mode. I know that some additional plaines in msfs2020 for money, have some realistic flight model, but i am not trying them.
how dare you call it a game? :)))
Good thing Microsoft never called it “Game of the year” 😊
It is a game, not a sim
At first glance that A-10 footage looks so good, but if you look closely there are quite some microstutters. Really hope this is more of a recording artefact!
More than likely it will get ironed out, this isn't the final release version.
@@ivaniuk123not be a Debbie downer but more than likely it won’t if you take historics into account.
Are you referring to the heat blur?
Rtx 5090 is not enough for VR Msfs 2024. I am sure!!!
there is so much missing , everywhere should be photometry.
It comes down to availability of photogrammetry. They simply don't have that data everywhere.
@@tedsword possible if they want. We want to see asia....., greece bulgaria ,turkey and more etc......
I want yo know is physics are so arcade also as in 2020?? After playing DCS world it is impossible to speak abut physics in msfs seriously. :))) Just try even free SU25T and after start msfs 2020. It is like game for children feels like. Why msfs have not normal flight models ?! All flightphysicsmodels are maxinun arcade style in msfs. I use DOF cockpit with vibration and i have experience - i knpw what i talking about. Helicopters in MSFS MAXIMUM SUCK. It is so far from real physics... Just try MI24 in DCS and you will understand what i am talking about.