45 minutes defeats the purpose of a smaller quicker mode. 30 minutes seems best time, more often ppl will have 30 minutes to spare than 45. It’s an awkward amount of time
I think it has a longer cap time. That would make it so enemy spawns don't get deleted as often when a team caps, which helps the fight in the middle keep going...
I'm a bit torn with this mode. It feels very much catered for the very, very casual player. My problem is that the casual player may stick with the game for 1 or 2 months. Meanwhile, the actual community will avoid it as they want the warfare experience. It's an interesting development, that's for sure. Despite my concern, we already do play matches where both sides agree to only capping the midpoint without tanks or arty. I'll give it a chance. Thanks for the insight, Mono.
whats a casual gamer to you? i play 2 games, maybe 3 a day... thats 2 hours of game play in average, 4.5 hours if we go the full 1:30 one game of "D day" can be up to 2.5hours if luckyu/unlucky i dont think HLL has something as "casual players" which is why the community stands at such "low" amount of players unlike other similar games, even tho is such a great game
@@Mexican00bclearly this update is trying to remedy this. I used to play a lot of HLL, but I stopped because I didn’t want to burn away my time playing games. This game needs something like this. Its not watering down any aspect of the game, and it’s great for both new and experienced players.
The fact that people feeling the need to agree on a rule means that players need that feature to be implemented. How do you think the developers come up with these ideas? By feedback. And that’s exactly what happened here. I wasn’t very eager to play because of long wait times and the feeling of playing a running simulator at times. So this update would make it possible for me to have a quick match when I don’t have 90 mins to spend. Casual players are not the problem here. Besides you can still play warfare, it’s like they are replacing it. So no reason to be torn because of this
@@shamansshermans It kinda sucks when the enemy pulls out 4 tanks. Barely any infantry to shoot and it's incredibly hard to deal with them, especially when your team doesn't have as many tanks
I think this could be a really great update, and could convince me to come back to the game. Then I read all of the "console bad waaah" "this game is turning into cod waah" "new players are stupid and need to go back to nursary waah", "they changed it slightly, must be unrealistic and bad waah" comments and I remembered why I really left. The community made me fall in love with the game. Now it's making me hate it. Sad times. Glad there are some reasonable and balanced people still our there like you Mono. Stay strong.
Maybe it's an idea for this game mode to add arty as a commander ability like ; only drop a light barrage in a small specific AoD or something like a combination of a few HE/smoke shells..Idk
adjustable gun sights, better prone MG system, better vault, poke head out of tank for more view more weapons and vehicles readjusting the game items is a low energy way to get more money and it oozes cheap tactics the test version is too big i cant have both on my comp. please moan at them for me
I'll be playing this more as I am definitely the maybe 2 hours per night player so a shorter mode definitely helps. I love the normal mode but having to commit to an hour and a half game (especially to keep any EXP) is just off putting a lot of the time.
They need to nerf snipers suppression like how the hell are you supposed to do shoot back when you screen turns so blurry a legally blind person has better sight and only last for 5 seconds of all things in this game the suppression blur is the dumbest thing and should be removed the complete opposite happens in real life your adrenaline pumps increasing light and focus not this bs
People should be happy about this. Alone, it sounds like a great game mode, and if they shorten the time, maybe a good way to warm up or practice. Its a great place to start for new players. Ive never felt confident enough in HLL to recommend it to my friends, but I think this update will change that if they get it right.
So, the matches are always 40 minutes? There's no way to end it early? I personally don't mind that but I can see why some people would want a victory objective other than spawn camp the enemy and wait out the timer.
You can't really spawn camp the enemy in this game mode. You can't have spawns past the middle of the map, so the enemy always has 40% of the map under their control.
I noticed the new weapon sounds several months ago while inside the church at Carentan. Gunfire had the echo like you would expect to hear while shooting inside a building.
I didn't notice that. During the PTE it was especially noticeable around you, like you would hear gunfire and not be able to recognize what gun it was.
@monoespacial I noticed the cave like sounds. I thought at first that my sound settings had changed and had added the effect. Nope, everything was still the same. So I asked Wombat about it and she confirmed that they had added the ambient effects that BM had talked about for a couple of years but never implemented. I actually like it. Took some getting used to since you can no longer triangulate where the fire is coming from.
Seems great, although after this I would like to see some quality of life improvements like fixing those collision bugs and making MG dipod placement more forgiving (or at least possible on surfaces that you would think are great for a dipod). I think there's one building on Carentan with upper flat open window which doesn't allow for a bipod to be deployed.
Thanks for the preview, I'm on console so won't get to test the new mode, but I think having a shorter game mode could be a good thing to introduce new players to the game or for times when regular players don't have the time to commit to the longer game modes (also agree that 30 minute limit might work better) . One concern I do have with the new game mode is with it still being 50v50 as fighting over one point sounds like it could become a bit of a meatgrinder and/or 'campfest' so will be interesting to see how that plays out. For consoles it might also be problematic in terms of further splitting the player base, especially with no prospect of a server browser on the horizon (which is the one thing that would make me more inclined to play on a regular basis).
I think a very big quality of life change would be a server selection option for console. And the ability to choose what game mode you are playing. Some people hate warfare, some people hate invasion. There would also be an added benefit of less blueberries on a locked point because they don’t understand the difference between invasion and warfare.
The idea that this is almost seeding rules made into an official mode makes a lot of sense to me and unless that’s all that servers start playing I don’t think that would compromise the game’s original style
This new game mode only exist because of money. Team 17 bought the IP, so they want fast as possible money back. This game mode should attract the BF/COD players.
scaling of some buildings, especially on Foy, were really weird. Once that's changed I think this will be a great gamemode. I would love to see maps like Carentan or Kursk for this gamemode
Yes, I've not been able to nail down exactly what the difference is. At the same FOV it seems like the scale is different, but maybe it's an issue with the FOV not being correct.
COD mode. Urgh.. No thanks. They should be focusing on what makes HLL unique not diluting the realism to appeal to twitch fingered kids and small domination maps. Agree the game timer should be reduced a bit though.
How does this mode dilute the realism? One of my favorite WW2 games, Forgotten Hope, for example, had a wide variety of different map sizes and servers were able to set player counts, round time and more. Don't you think that having only one map size and round time is restrictive?
I see it as the thin end of the wedge and a slippery slope towards introducing game types that have been done many times before that could bleed into the main game modes. It's not unreasonable that the game devs want to bring in more new players and perhaps see this as a gateway, but is it really? Are those new players going to want to switch to full warfare? I think this game appealed to a different more mature audience and the only reason player numbers dwindled was because it has been badly broken for extended periods of time. A lot of the fun was in the interaction with team mates and strategising more than just concentrated gun battles. That's the realism. Large areas of the map where you can be all alone or close quarters like Carentan. Big maps bring balance and different opportunities. Therefore IMO small concentrated maps are less realistic.
I am lvl 270 and they lost me and all my friends completely, since the new dev team took over.. i have never Seen a Game getting fucked up so hard that nearly 90% of the playerbase just leave after a couple of patches. Sad, they ruined a pretty good Game in my opinion
Completely agree, but it's also a time period where Baldur's Gate 3, Spider-Man 2, the new COD, Mario Wonder, Alan Wake 2 and a bunch of other games released. Battlebit Remastered had a 60% playerdrop in August followed by a 50% drop in September. There's just way too many games out at the same time so it's expected for people to play the new thing. I make content for this game and I've been playing Spiderman, Mario and BG3 a bunch and I know other youtubers have as well.
it is another nail to the coffin of the Hell Let Loose game. more casualization and catering to "feelings" of people that just don't GAF about the game, just their 30 minutes of COD style pew pew pew. that's not what this game is about, at all. (well, now it is).
This seems to recreate much of what I like about fighting for the middle cap until the server populates. I agree with possibly reducing the time to 30 minutes, but I think I would also like to see a 40-40 max version of this, or even a 30-30 max version.
It sounds like a good idea. You are right about matches that go to time being too long. I usually join a game part way through and stick it out for about one more map before I have to go. Would be nice to have several smaller rounds
Another example of catering for the console crowd..quick fightt fits console kids well but the pc audience wants a more hardcore experience..this is the problem with HLL.
I would disagree to be honest. The vast majority of players I know (PC) rarely have enough time or patience to invest a whole hour into a match, especially if it's not going their way and it's just a meat grinder. In a lot of other games I've played (such as battlefront 2) people have also complained when matches last well over an hour, and prefer the variety that they can get from shorter rotations. I don't think the demand is coming only from console players.
45 minutes defeats the purpose of a smaller quicker mode. 30 minutes seems best time, more often ppl will have 30 minutes to spare than 45. It’s an awkward amount of time
Agreed. I'm not entirely sure why they set it to 45, it's such a random amount of time to set it too.
@@-DeLuXe- Yep normal is 90
I can accept the vote for 30 minute-rounds, but than the cap time has to be shortened as well imo
I think it has a longer cap time. That would make it so enemy spawns don't get deleted as often when a team caps, which helps the fight in the middle keep going...
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I'm a bit torn with this mode. It feels very much catered for the very, very casual player. My problem is that the casual player may stick with the game for 1 or 2 months. Meanwhile, the actual community will avoid it as they want the warfare experience. It's an interesting development, that's for sure. Despite my concern, we already do play matches where both sides agree to only capping the midpoint without tanks or arty.
I'll give it a chance. Thanks for the insight, Mono.
Pn PC. Can't have that agreement on console unless we do clan battles
whats a casual gamer to you? i play 2 games, maybe 3 a day... thats 2 hours of game play in average, 4.5 hours if we go the full 1:30
one game of "D day" can be up to 2.5hours if luckyu/unlucky
i dont think HLL has something as "casual players"
which is why the community stands at such "low" amount of players unlike other similar games, even tho is such a great game
@@Mexican00bclearly this update is trying to remedy this. I used to play a lot of HLL, but I stopped because I didn’t want to burn away my time playing games.
This game needs something like this. Its not watering down any aspect of the game, and it’s great for both new and experienced players.
The fact that people feeling the need to agree on a rule means that players need that feature to be implemented. How do you think the developers come up with these ideas? By feedback. And that’s exactly what happened here.
I wasn’t very eager to play because of long wait times and the feeling of playing a running simulator at times. So this update would make it possible for me to have a quick match when I don’t have 90 mins to spend. Casual players are not the problem here. Besides you can still play warfare, it’s like they are replacing it. So no reason to be torn because of this
I also have to say that elitist approach to games by the community and gatekeeping are the reason a game dies
Just to be clear: PTE's are expected to have bugs!
Finally a noob friendly mode. Not sure how I feel about 1 tank squad though.
@@shamansshermans It kinda sucks when the enemy pulls out 4 tanks. Barely any infantry to shoot and it's incredibly hard to deal with them, especially when your team doesn't have as many tanks
straight up, not touching regular HLL again if this mode is good.
So basically, seeding a server is now a game mode....
You nailed it bro!
I don’t see it as a bad thing. Looks like a good option for Seeding
Garrison cooldowns....making the game harder for the small number of players who were actually playing properly
I would rather play offensive honestly.Especially playing on console we can’t choose our server or game mode.
Played 10 to 20 vs 10 to 20 on the PTE. That was fun! I am concerned that 50 vs 50 will be over crowded and not enjoyable!
I think if the yellow garri radius showed only when you have the pocket watch out, it would help with the map feeling busy.
That would be nice
That's a fantastic idea.
I think this could be a really great update, and could convince me to come back to the game.
Then I read all of the "console bad waaah" "this game is turning into cod waah" "new players are stupid and need to go back to nursary waah", "they changed it slightly, must be unrealistic and bad waah" comments and I remembered why I really left.
The community made me fall in love with the game. Now it's making me hate it. Sad times. Glad there are some reasonable and balanced people still our there like you Mono. Stay strong.
ah man i love the long games! what positive changes come if they were to shorten warfare and offensive games?
Sounds great especially since there’s no artillery!
Maybe it's an idea for this game mode to add arty as a commander ability like ; only drop a light barrage in a small specific AoD or something like a combination of a few HE/smoke shells..Idk
Katyushka Strike gonna be spammed every chance the Commander gets haha
@@vitaliceRed Orchestra 😮
adjustable gun sights, better prone MG system, better vault, poke head out of tank for more view
more weapons and vehicles
readjusting the game items is a low energy way to get more money and it oozes cheap tactics
the test version is too big i cant have both on my comp.
please moan at them for me
I'll be playing this more as I am definitely the maybe 2 hours per night player so a shorter mode definitely helps. I love the normal mode but having to commit to an hour and a half game (especially to keep any EXP) is just off putting a lot of the time.
They need to nerf snipers suppression like how the hell are you supposed to do shoot back when you screen turns so blurry a legally blind person has better sight and only last for 5 seconds of all things in this game the suppression blur is the dumbest thing and should be removed the complete opposite happens in real life your adrenaline pumps increasing light and focus not this bs
People should be happy about this. Alone, it sounds like a great game mode, and if they shorten the time, maybe a good way to warm up or practice.
Its a great place to start for new players. Ive never felt confident enough in HLL to recommend it to my friends, but I think this update will change that if they get it right.
Bleh
So, the matches are always 40 minutes? There's no way to end it early? I personally don't mind that but I can see why some people would want a victory objective other than spawn camp the enemy and wait out the timer.
You can't really spawn camp the enemy in this game mode. You can't have spawns past the middle of the map, so the enemy always has 40% of the map under their control.
Tank Skirmish!!!!
I noticed the new weapon sounds several months ago while inside the church at Carentan. Gunfire had the echo like you would expect to hear while shooting inside a building.
I didn't notice that. During the PTE it was especially noticeable around you, like you would hear gunfire and not be able to recognize what gun it was.
@monoespacial I noticed the cave like sounds. I thought at first that my sound settings had changed and had added the effect. Nope, everything was still the same. So I asked Wombat about it and she confirmed that they had added the ambient effects that BM had talked about for a couple of years but never implemented. I actually like it. Took some getting used to since you can no longer triangulate where the fire is coming from.
I just want new maps and sub factions for all maps, Berlin, Caen, St Lambert, Anzio, Seelow Heights, Winter Stalingrad.
They will probably come in 2024. They held off on releasing the winter war stuff, battle Danzig map, etc.
Seems great, although after this I would like to see some quality of life improvements like fixing those collision bugs and making MG dipod placement more forgiving (or at least possible on surfaces that you would think are great for a dipod). I think there's one building on Carentan with upper flat open window which doesn't allow for a bipod to be deployed.
Thanks for the preview, I'm on console so won't get to test the new mode, but I think having a shorter game mode could be a good thing to introduce new players to the game or for times when regular players don't have the time to commit to the longer game modes (also agree that 30 minute limit might work better) . One concern I do have with the new game mode is with it still being 50v50 as fighting over one point sounds like it could become a bit of a meatgrinder and/or 'campfest' so will be interesting to see how that plays out. For consoles it might also be problematic in terms of further splitting the player base, especially with no prospect of a server browser on the horizon (which is the one thing that would make me more inclined to play on a regular basis).
I think a very big quality of life change would be a server selection option for console. And the ability to choose what game mode you are playing. Some people hate warfare, some people hate invasion. There would also be an added benefit of less blueberries on a locked point because they don’t understand the difference between invasion and warfare.
The idea that this is almost seeding rules made into an official mode makes a lot of sense to me and unless that’s all that servers start playing I don’t think that would compromise the game’s original style
That poor window frame must have gotten obliterated a couple times
There's some houses that now have barricaded stairs. We found one on Foy.
When it relassed ps5???
Next year same day as PC
I agree, the shorter game matches really helps for us with limited free time
Am I the only one that thinks 45 minutes is better than 30😂
Seems promising.
thats it, other mode is dead
This new game mode only exist because of money. Team 17 bought the IP, so they want fast as possible money back. This game mode should attract the BF/COD players.
scaling of some buildings, especially on Foy, were really weird. Once that's changed I think this will be a great gamemode. I would love to see maps like Carentan or Kursk for this gamemode
Yes, I've not been able to nail down exactly what the difference is. At the same FOV it seems like the scale is different, but maybe it's an issue with the FOV not being correct.
COD mode. Urgh.. No thanks. They should be focusing on what makes HLL unique not diluting the realism to appeal to twitch fingered kids and small domination maps.
Agree the game timer should be reduced a bit though.
How does this mode dilute the realism? One of my favorite WW2 games, Forgotten Hope, for example, had a wide variety of different map sizes and servers were able to set player counts, round time and more.
Don't you think that having only one map size and round time is restrictive?
I see it as the thin end of the wedge and a slippery slope towards introducing game types that have been done many times before that could bleed into the main game modes.
It's not unreasonable that the game devs want to bring in more new players and perhaps see this as a gateway, but is it really?
Are those new players going to want to switch to full warfare?
I think this game appealed to a different more mature audience and the only reason player numbers dwindled was because it has been badly broken for extended periods of time.
A lot of the fun was in the interaction with team mates and strategising more than just concentrated gun battles. That's the realism. Large areas of the map where you can be all alone or close quarters like Carentan.
Big maps bring balance and different opportunities. Therefore IMO small concentrated maps are less realistic.
You come in from stupidville?
@@dakotah7683 Yeah, I saw you waiting for a ride out of there as I drove through. I see someone took pity on you and picked you up.
@@Soupster-xr7hxdamn haha
Is that irony?
hopefully they make the grey overlay standard in warfare mode as well
Hopefully, yeah
Yeah that would be great.
I’m worried it’s going to kill the reg game mode on console.
How does one access this on council?👀
You can’t, there’s no pte on console
There was a separate option in the main menu, according to their announcement.
I am lvl 270 and they lost me and all my friends completely, since the new dev team took over..
i have never Seen a Game getting fucked up so hard that nearly 90% of the playerbase just leave after a couple of patches.
Sad, they ruined a pretty good Game in my opinion
What are you on about 90% lol
@@AImeriia90% is definitely an exaggeration, but concurrent player numbers are literally half of what they were before the British update
Completely agree, but it's also a time period where Baldur's Gate 3, Spider-Man 2, the new COD, Mario Wonder, Alan Wake 2 and a bunch of other games released. Battlebit Remastered had a 60% playerdrop in August followed by a 50% drop in September. There's just way too many games out at the same time so it's expected for people to play the new thing.
I make content for this game and I've been playing Spiderman, Mario and BG3 a bunch and I know other youtubers have as well.
Dafuck are you talking about?
@@monoespacialI agree with both of you here but I also have to say. Aren’t new games always coming out?
it is another nail to the coffin of the Hell Let Loose game.
more casualization and catering to "feelings" of people that just don't GAF about the game, just their 30 minutes of COD style pew pew pew.
that's not what this game is about, at all. (well, now it is).
I hope this isn’t the beginning of the end. I’m getting PUBG vibes all over again
I can’t handle another failed relationship, I’m soft like charmin soft
Good-bye HLL 🪦🪦
This seems to recreate much of what I like about fighting for the middle cap until the server populates. I agree with possibly reducing the time to 30 minutes, but I think I would also like to see a 40-40 max version of this, or even a 30-30 max version.
It sounds like a good idea. You are right about matches that go to time being too long. I usually join a game part way through and stick it out for about one more map before I have to go. Would be nice to have several smaller rounds
Another example of catering for the console crowd..quick fightt fits console kids well but the pc audience wants a more hardcore experience..this is the problem with HLL.
I would disagree to be honest. The vast majority of players I know (PC) rarely have enough time or patience to invest a whole hour into a match, especially if it's not going their way and it's just a meat grinder.
In a lot of other games I've played (such as battlefront 2) people have also complained when matches last well over an hour, and prefer the variety that they can get from shorter rotations.
I don't think the demand is coming only from console players.
@@theblueraven764 Hell people have been wanting a shorter mode since way before the game came to consoles a few years ago.
Has the fg42 gun sound changed? The current one is awful.
YES 30 min sounds good, No arty is great too, often its just spawn kill continuously