Andertons Big Secret ? Or is it BS and hype for KDH to get more views ?
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Todays video touches upon ethics, etiquette, Making a mountain out of a molehill and just plain stirring up BS for more views.
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You completely missed the point of KDH’s video. While I agree some of the speculation and implications KDH made about Lee trying to trick people was unnecessary and unethical (he should’ve stayed matter-of-fact with something like this), he was 100% right to call Lee out for literally breaking advertising law. There’s nothing wrong with owning a brand, selling the brand, and even not telling people it’s your brand. You’re right, no one should care. But as an influencer (and consequently, an advertiser), representing your opinion as a neutral third party (which people look for when making purchasing decisions to avoid bias as much as possible) when you are NOT a neutral third party means you run the risk of influencing people to buy amps they might not have otherwise gone for. What if people decide to buy used from somewhere without a money back guarantee because they didn’t know Lee benefited directly from Victory sales (more so than other brands)? As an advertiser, Lee has a higher responsibility than a typical business owner. He’s not an evil trickster, he’s just a businessman who has some learning to do about navigating the social media landscape. KDH did seem a bit hard-hearted, but his basic point of this NEEDS to be disclosed stands.
I disagree. But thats what makes horse races.
Dude, you totally missed the point. Lee being a part-owner of victory is not the problem. Lee not disclosing that fact in RUclips videos where he promotes them is the problem. By law, he has an obligation to do that, and he didn't. That's why the ASA upheld a complaint against him and he accepted it.
I do understand that. I think it is a ridiculous law. My point is whether Lee owns the amp company or not, as long as it's a good product and he is not steering people away from other brands, who cares if he has a stake in the company or not. My other point is maybe KDH could have called him or emailed him instead of making a video that makes him look like he's a bad person or something. Hope you can understand where I am coming from.
@@RockMixerMusic He did get in touch with Lee.. Lee had a chance to get out ahead of KDH precisely because KDH contacted him in regards to this video. I really think you're intentionally missing the point.
@@carsonwyatt8915 and who is KDH? The gear internet God & Authority? Or just a dude looking for views no matter who it hurts?
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He shouldn't expose someone's shady business practices because it might hurt their business??? You're a dollar short and a day late.
@@downscope3133 What is Shady abouit seeling your own product? Who cares if the product is good. Bottom line is the consumer has to decide what they want.
The consumer is not being told that his review of an amp is compromised by his ownership.
A legal requirement in the UK, it appears, it's the right of consumers, whatever your personal opinion.
And of course, this is nothing to do with the products themselves. I'd love Santa to bring me a VC35 Copper.
Why is it compromised? If he loves the way the amp sounds that can be totally legit. I don't think he would put out an amp that he can not get behind. I understand your point about the legal requirement, but I do think he refers to his involvement in some videos. But my point is, why is that a law? What is he doing wrong? In the US I can own a company, put out a product and remain nameless. Who cares as long as the product is good. Also if I own a store that sells similar products, I would let consumers make their choice. Lee knows that the other amp brands he carries sound great. He is not steering you away from them. I really think the video KDH made is damaging to Lee's business and over what? Because he did not tell people he was an owner? Thats ridiculous in my opinion. I appreciate your comment and I do understand your point and where you are coming from. All the best.
@@RockMixerMusic I'm just explaining the law. You can argue in favour of owners, not customers, but that's not the law.
He is allowed to constantly review and praise Victory amps.
But he has breached advertising standards protecting consumers.
He needs to also reveal to viewers that he is an owner of the product itself, in a way he is not an owner of, say, Mesa, just a retailer.
If you watched the KDH video, you can see where in the past both Rob Chapman and Rabea Massad disclosed their involvement with the company, they did the right thing, but Lee didn't.
All the best to you, too, RMM. I understand your private opinion, but it's certainly not mine, or the law's.
Doesn't matter how much anyone does, the point of KDH's video was that any involvement, in the UK, has to comply with advertising standards which states you have to disclose if a product you are selling/endorsing is financially linked to you. We have laws that business people in the UK must comply with. Nothing more, nothing less! Stop taking it personally! ... and why did you post this video? for views? ... just like KDH?
No. I posted it because I think what KDH did was not cool. Watch my video and listen to the point I am making. I think it is a valid argument. I understand about laws, but if the guy owns Victory amps or not, he is not hurting anyone. Its a great amp. IMO it's a stupid law and Lee should not be shamed like this. I appreciate your insight and opinion. Thank you.
@@RockMixerMusic "This Peavey amp I got was allegedly made using slave labor, but it's such a great amp, I don't see why people are questioning their business practices. They're just amp enthusiasts!"
@@RockMixerMusic Whether it is a great amp or not there is something called a "LAW" and Lee was in violation of that "LAW", ADMITTED THAT HE WAS IN VIOLATION OF THAT LAW, and signed a consent notice to STOP breaking that "LAW".
If you cannot see that you are being deliberately obtuse, or hoping to obfuscate the issue for cred or clicks.
If ANYONE here is being click baity here, it is you.
Interesting that the UK authorities care so much about this law that they decided to do…..absolutely nothing. Lee doesn’t even have to take down his videos. The only reason they said anything was because they were contacted by some KDH fanboy whiners after the fact.
You missed the point. A declared interest is fine, you can make up your own mind, but when something is being advertised or sold without declaring an interest goes against advertising standards, makes no difference if you care or not, that's the law here in the UK.
Obviously you are unable to realize my absolutely thought compelling and relevant arguments and points in this matter. Again, thanks for your comment and opinion but we are obviously at a stalemate.
@@RockMixerMusic Ok, it`s satire....thank god! 😉
I think KDH had good questions, and gave Lee a fair shot at being able to answer. At no point did i think he was out of line. Lee came clean, and was gracious in his final response.
Again, I understand your point....but, I still feel.....what does it matter if Lee owns a piece of the company or not. If you buy the amp and like it, whats the difference. He is not twisting your arm. Think of it this way....Maybe you would not buy the amp if you knew he was involved because you would think oh...hes just trying to push his own amp. There are multiple ways to look at it. But my main point is that KDH is not the internet authority, and Lee is a pretty cool dude from what I can tell and all he is really doing is making Lee look like a liar and possibly hurting his business. That aint cool where I come from.
@@RockMixerMusic I see where you're coming from, and by no means am I trying to shoot down your perspective. I dig Lee. He's a business guy, and has every right to do business as he sees fit. From what I saw in KDH's point was the disclosure of Lee's involvement. From where I see it, and this is not meant as a direct defense of the video, because I saw a different set o problems with KDH's approach, was just a matter of transparency of involvement. Should Lee be able to be involved in what he wants to do? Absolutely. I totally agree with you. When Lee posted his response video, I thought it was great. He made very clear his involvement in companies, and the why he wasn't blasting his involvement out there. Totally fine with that. I did feel KDH's response to Lee's post did smack a bit of "that's not good enough" vibe, which normally he doesn't do. There were things about his presentation I didn't dig.
No beef with your perspective at all, and I fully appreciate your response to me. Ya had some good points, and I applaud you. I'm gonna keep checking out your channel.
I hear ya.
@@RockMixerMusic "...what does it matter if Lee owns a piece of the company or not..."
Dude, watch the KDH video again, you missed the main points.
It`s not about if Lee owns several companies or parts of companies - it is about the fact that it was intentionally undisclosed to the viewers of Andertons, that he is actually one of the owners of the company he advertises.
That`s even a legal issue here.
That`s what it`s about.
@@modestoney1577you’re an idiot
@@RockMixerMusicSeems like you're okay with people lying to you to sell you stuff. In that case, no big deal, carry on being a stupid consumer of stuff.
KDH didn't DO anything, if Andertons lie and people enjoy being lied to, t's not his fault you feel uncomfortable when he reveals something you didn't want to know.
Declaring interests is any walk of life should be the basic line and highlights integrity. RUclips is murky enough as it is and transparency from a large entity trying to peddle gear should be encouraged. I think Kdh did some great work. He is doing a service. Regardless if you like his methods or not. If Andertons select gear that it part owns as a platform, for say their 'soundalike' segments. People might buy the gear based on that. All he had to do was declare interest as required by law in the UK. Hopefully lesson learnt.
Again, I understand your point....but, I still feel.....what does it matter if Lee owns a piece of the company or not. If you buy the amp and like it, whats the difference. He is not twisting your arm. Think of it this way....Maybe you would not buy the amp if you knew he was involved because you would think oh...hes just trying to push his own amp. There are multiple ways to look at it. But my main point is that KDH is not the internet authority, and Lee is a pretty cool dude from what I can tell and all he is really doing is making Lee look like a liar and possibly hurting his business. That aint cool where I come from.
@@RockMixerMusicI don’t have an interest in the matter as I’m not on the correct continent to buy from Andertons unless it was really important. I agree KDH belabored the point. He could have made his point in a few less minutes.
However, he does have a point. Lee should have, as required by the rules where he does business, declared that he had an ownership interest in victory. That simple. Just like he has done with other lines he has interest in that show up on the show. He made an oops. It came out. He dealt with it. Should be case closed. I don’t think he meant to be shady but Lee misinterpreted the rules.
Yes, you do have to tell the world you are involved in things financially when you recommend them or advertise for a brand. Otherwise that's called "lying to customers/viewers" which, thankfully is illegal through advertising standards. It's a matter of trust. Do you want your viewers to be able to trust you? If so - be honest that you have invested in something, or are being paid to promote something. There's nothing morally wrong with that... the contrary though, is full of holes isn't it?
I just dont see what the issue is if he owns the company and sells the amp. Who cares as long as its a good product. How is he hurting anyone? Also why does KDH have to make waves and hurt this guys business. Make him look like a bad person.
The LAW requires you to disclose that info. And he was NOT doing that. end of story
@@RockMixerMusic The law did get in touch as well to make sure he would disclose in the future.
So why didn’t he put a victory amp in the video he did showcasing the very best of the best amps you can get? He loved the imperial by tone king didn’t say a word about victory. Clowns all of you
You're completely missing the point dude. To present yourself as a retailer objectively reviewing and pushing a product that you have an ownership stake in is a little shady. The only complaint was that that should have been disclosed.
You have totally missed the point. Andertons have previously done comparison review videos that included Victory amps without declaring Lee's stake in the business. A comparison review CANNOT be portrayed as impartial if the reviewer has a vested interest. Full disclosure in this case is a legal requisite in the UK, and rightly so. Non-disclosure, and a pretense of impartiality is effectively lying by omission.
One such example, (there's a lot to wade through, but the 45 - 55 minute window is where most of the opinions are voiced): ruclips.net/video/RUPBvX8olAw/видео.html
So I watched the video and regardless of having stakes in the brand, I felt their opinions were real. Not rehearsed or pre determined. Isnt it possible that they really did like the victory amp better? Listen to the demo they did.....whats your opinion? Again , by not telling people it is a house brand does not convince me that Lee is a dishonest person. It just means the amp is a house brand, or a brand he has invested in. If you buy that amp and don't like it, you can send it right back. So where is he tricking anyone or being dishonest? Again, I could care less if he's an owner or Elon Musk was an owner. Thats my point.
Nah, I think it should be disclosed when you are pushing products which ones you are involved with. Its a law pretty much everywhere for a reason. I love Lee and the Andertons videos, I watch them all of the time. Literally everyone has to disclose involvement in a product they are reviewing in the interest of fairness and buyers being informed. Like I said, its a pretty universal law. You just saying you dont see why is just proclaiming ignorance really.
Why do you need to disclose it? If the amp kicks ass....whats the difference. Maybe you are ignorant.
@@RockMixerMusic It's literally against the law to hide that shit., that's why.
@@RockMixerMusicwhat if the amp doesn't kick ass? What if it's a complete piece of crap and it falls apart 5 minutes after you get it
@@RockMixerMusic hmmm maybe because it's the LAW. You really this dense?
"who cares if millionaires are corrupt and obviously concealing their business interests and investments? I, for one, am happy uncritically sending them my money"
How is this being corrupt. Please explain.
If this was like three years ago when the whole chapman thing went down, id say so
But i think its fair to say hes grown a lot as a person. I think this came across as a genuine effort to inform the public about something that might have helped people make clearer choices when it comes to gear
ok
His Chapman videos were great tbh
Yeah right..........
Maybe do some digging into KDH's past. Glass houses and all........................
You are missing the point entirely. He's meant to disclose this. He didn't. The quality of the amp has nothing to do with it. It doesn't get in the way of him being a businessman also.
Gone to far on what? It's not about what Lee owns as a company, or if Lee isn't a cool dude or not... I don't know if you ever worked in sales or have owned a business, that might help you understand the issue. KHD's video wasn't about bashing Lee for being an owner of it, KHD was clear on that. It's the lack of transparency on Lee's part as a retailer selling brands, making videos on such brands, giving endorsement deals of such brands to your "on crew" team and not telling people you are part owner of said brand. There is a conflict of interest... Just assuming here, who's to say the Anderton's staff doesn't get a bonus/commission for pushing a certain brand? As an owner of another brand, would you trust that dealer after knowing this? Might be nothing, but who's to say he wasn't pushing his amp brand over yours?
Knowledge is power, as a consumer if I walk into a store I want to know I will get a fair and honest opinion from a sales rep, or if I watch a video review, and being a fan of "X" player and he uses said brand, and not a biased one review, no matter how small it might be. If someone has nothing to hide why not say it from day 1? I for one like being informed, it's my right as a buyer, doesn't mean I think less of someone. Just makes my future purchases more thought out.
Lee Anderson did reviews and demo's of a product that he did not acknowledge he was invested in. I like Victory amps i own one i like Lee Anderson seems like a nice guy as a content creator i don't know maybe he is a jerk off in real life but if he has a interest in his financial bottom line it could be less than honest reviews. Just disclose ties and such. Keep at it KDH.
This video completely misses KDH's point, but since KDH's point is obvious there's no point in me trying to explain it because when people miss the obvious it's because they're either incapable or unwilling to grasp it. So it's hopeless, and, in any case, others in this comment section have already done it. The old saying comes to mind: "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."
I feel the exact same way about your response to my video. You are missing the whole point. Thanks for your reply.
Did you really watch KDH's videos? If you can't see the problem with Lee not being honest about his involvement with Victory from day 1, then well sir in due resepct you're in blind. You either completely missed the point of KDH or are willingly ingoring the facts. What he did was illegal.
You really saying to one of the few who knew Lee has hands in Victory amps? Seems you're of the few who knew.
OK, let's say you want to buy a new amp and you take your knowledgeable friend, whose opinion you trust, to the guitar store with you. You try out a bunch of the amps that your friend suggests, and he recommends one in particular. You buy the amp and you're really happy with the purchase.
Later, you find out that your friend actually owned a piece of the company that makes the amp that you bought. It may still be an excellent amp, but wouldn't you feel a little cheated or at least confused as to why your friend decided not to mention this when he was showing you the amps in the store? Maybe it would affect how you view his opinions in the future and make you wonder if he really believes what he's saying or if he's just trying to convince you to buy his products?
That's basically the issue KDH has with Lee Anderton not disclosing his involvement with Victory amps. It's not about the right to be involved in as many businesses as you like (KDH explicitly stated there's no problem there), nor about whether the product being advertised is good quality or not. As a consumer, you have the right to be fully informed about the product you're buying, and Lee not disclosing his involvement in Victory amps resulted in potential customers not being fully informed.
I also don't think the purpose of KDH's video was to damage Lee's business, rather to criticise one area in which Lee was failing to meet UK advertising standards. As Lee responded professionally to the video and publicly disclosed his relationship with Victory, there's little likelihood that his brand would be seriously damaged.
KDH bought TWO victory amps before he knew what was going on loll
KDH made a valid point, if it helped his views sobeit, thats a legitimate way to go... The fundamental fact is Lee anderton did not follow the rules and as a result got found out. Simple. Another Andertons fan boy.. if KDH has harmed andertons, what about Lee's bias in his videos where he has done exactly the same harm to other manufacturers by manipulating his loyal watchers into a claim purely based on profit? Hmmmm... He has marked victory at the top in countless videos, go figure.
I think you you missed the point a little on this one. There is no problem with Lee Anderson owning whatever he wants. No one cares if he owns Victory amps or pedal companies. He part owns many things, such as Burns Guitars. The point is he never said anything about this connection. I agree the amps sound good, but the point is about disclosure when you are reviewing them, which he never did.
I do understand that I just don't understand why that's so important. What difference does that make on whether you would buy the amp or not?
@@RockMixerMusic Dude, the Anderton`s channel is an influencer channel. They compare gear a lot, they give their opinion about gear, they advertise gear. If you don`t understand that it is crucial information for viewers and customers to know whether or not the influencer himself is actually the owner of one of the brands, no one can help you and you will keep on missing the point of this issue. It seems you are not capable of understandig what KDH`s video was actually about.
@@RockMixerMusic Because the UK it is different to the US in that, 1. It is expected that you give full disclosure to your audience, who trust you to do this (and in this case have seen him do this for other brands he is a part of), so people will assume you will do this when you do it with other brands e.g. Burns and Chapman. 2. It is poor form to act like an independent dealer giving straight opinions when in fact you have a financial incentive to put a positive spin on something and feature it often (why many RUclipsrs give full disclosure when a product has been supplied or they are a part of the brand). 3. It is against the law in the UK according to advertising standards not to disclose this issue when advertising a product that you are financially invested in. Basically, he's blurred the lines and people never knew his involvement because it was always omitted. To me, I don't mind at all how he makes money as long as it's clear which brands he owns himself. This helps me make an informed decision. I think in general the KDH video was fair to him and he gave a fair response. In future his disclosure will be useful for his audience to know so they can understand his motivations.
ROCK MIXER I think you're missing the point, you keep on about you dont have to reveal what your other interests are, may be thats the case in your country, but in the UK you have to, its the law, hence the Andertons apology, and KDH is in the right for revealing this, if this affects Andertons, its entirely the fault of Lee for being conservative with the truth
Definitely didn’t go to far. He outed a chronic deception by Lee Anderton. I had no problem with it at all. Anderton is squarely in the wrong here. Why can’t you see that Anderton’s silence on his involvement with Victory is very shady.
Why is it Shady?
It's false advertising. He's purporting to be only the vendor when he is in fact also the manufacturer. He's getting paid twice. Not a problem at all if he's upfront about it but it is dodgy to hide it. The authorities don't like that sort of thing, lits anti competitive like price fixing, astroturfing, bid rigging etc. There is the appearance and opportunity of bias.
He wasnt hiding anything.
@@RockMixerMusic Yeah well he never revealed his ownership of Victory. It leaves open the possibility he could contrive the shootout videos to show Victory in a better light because he stands to pocket more money. The law says you can't do that in advertising. After all the Anderton videos are advertising, nothing more.
@@RockMixerMusic He was.
Well, Lee Anderton did not comply to lawful regulation on transparency, KDH made this a topic of his video. How come you declaring KDH as doing wrong here?
Your private sympathy for the one bending the laws should not have any room when judging this situation, even if it "ain't cool where you come from".
Also, one could find that you are hyping KDH to generate clicks. Sure, this argument falls under "Whataboutism", but anyhow.
Im sure Lee is a competent businessman, and he sure seems to be an enthusiast for all things related to his business. But he sure aint a self made man. I was buying my strings at Andertons before Lee was born (thats not true, but not not true by as much as i would like). It was Grandpas and daddies before Lee.
And your point is?
*too far, not "to" far. 👍🏻
Yes, a vested interest should be declared. That is law.
The way the video was done was a little "witch hunty" for my taste.
In his follow-up video, reacting to Lees video, he kept referring to Andertons the music shop rather than Lee as an individual, which was out of order.
IMO he could have reached out to Lee personally and discussed the situation. Please watch my whole video for my true arguments.
Is this video ment to be funny or satire?
Either that or the KDH video got way over your head, or you are trying to rage bait here.
I see no other option.
Maybe you need to watch it again and read comments.
You didn’t understand the video
The point of the video was that Lee never made it EXPLICIT that he was involved with Victory, like he had with Chapman Guitars and other brands. He made no claim that Lee or Anderton's were "tricking" anyone, just that disclosure was not being done as required per UK advertising standards/law. And clearly he was right since the governing UK body contacted Lee/Anderton's once official complaints had been registered. If there was no "there there", they would've dismissed the complaints as not valid and never gone any further. And like KDH said, Lee was respectful as was KDH. Not every question or investigation is an attack. Sometimes it just that; a question/investigation.
I get everything you are saying. What I am saying here is that KDH has a big platform with many views. Why make such a big deal of this. All it is doing is hurting Lee's business. Whats the point of that? Here in the US, I do not have to tell you if I own a company. It's called being an entrepreneur and some people call it freedom. Watch my whole video.
@@RockMixerMusic "Why make such a big deal of this. All it is doing is hurting Lee's business"
No, it is primarily informing the viewers of Anderton`s videos that there is an undisclosed involvement in one of the products.
That is the truth and if it hurts Lee`s business, then he should not have kept it undisclosed for so long.
Who is anderson?
Corrected. Thank you.
You're wrong. Lee responded as it was a genuine issue. Thumbs down for your video. IT MIGHT NOT BE A GREAT AMP, HE HAS A STAKE IN THE COMPANY!!!
Thats your opinion. I have mine and stand by it. All the best.
@@RockMixerMusic "I'm unable to acknowledge when I'm wrong"
I feel dumber after watching this RUclips video on RUclips (LOL)
So you are saying you were pretty dumb in the first place then.
@@RockMixerMusic ever thought about interviewing Jordan Peterson?
Seems like you're okay with people lying to you to sell you stuff. In that case, no big deal, carry on
I agree that the disclosure laws are stupid. That being said, Lee had no problem disclosing every other company he had his hands in. Why was Victory Amps different? I dont understand Lees reluctance to disclose that one single affiliation when he so willingly diaclosed all the others.
I think if there was any hint that Andertons were favouring Victory products in an unethical way, the numerous other amplifier manufacturers they stock would be the first up in arms, and there has been no hint of that
not the point
It sounded like Lee just chipped in to help set up the business and barring from meeting at the pub every other day, the involvement sort of end at that
He still is one of the owners, How did his involvement end??
@@modestoney1577 from what KDH uncovered - he pretty much have zero say in what Victory does.
@@mynameisvisutinnadda That`s not the point at all.
“To far” lmao
Andertons is one of the biggest YT guitar gear channels. Andertons sells music gear.
They make videos that inform potential buyers of new gear, they demonstrate the gear they sell.
It should be obvious that the gear they are presenting in their videos is gear they sell.
What isn't always clear is the relationship between the gear makers and the gear seller.
If a gear site that sells gear is presenting gear in the video, I'd like to know if they have ownership or any other direct financial stake or management in the company that makes that gear.
Why?
Because it's part of the facts of the gear, just as the country of manufacture, and other details.
For many of us, we can't always try gear for ourselves, so YT videos are part of our education process to decide if we want to buy the gear. It's also why many manufacturers provide free loaner gear (or free gear), pay TY influencers, make company employees available for interviews, or provide some incentive to the YT influencers to review the gear.
Even knowing that it's certainly possible that the YT influencers are not going to be too negative in their criticism, if any it's usually minor at best, because they may not get future opportunities from the manufacturer.
I always take whatever is opinion in these gear vids with "a grain of salt". If the gear specs and multiple demos check out on a piece of gear I may purchase it, from a seller that has a good return policy. I never use "affiliate links" because GFY.
TL;DR; do your own research, start with the likelihood that popular YT gear review channels are being compensated and are not telling all the truth; don't use their "affiliate links" to reward them for doing paid/compensated advertising commercial work on behalf of a vendor or store.
You must've watched a whole different video.
😂
7:00 You say 'we' ! About your fantasy company and brand
Lee didn't say 'we' ! On all those occasions he said ' they' or 'their amp'.Even saying ' They are a British company '.
This is so clear, I'd have to say you sound like Lionel Hutz or Trump's lawyer 😂
aint no victory amps in Australia! So why should i care? And yes! while i generally like kdh channel i was wondering what was his angle for the whole video! which i didnt even bother watching the end of!
Andertons is a great channel! full stop!
You totally get it!
This whole thing is a bit of a 'storm in a tea cup' really. Lee is not purposefully talking down rival brands, nor is he over selling Victory. He's fairly even handed with all amp brands he demmos. Since he's been upfront about his involvement with other brands, I tend to believe the reasons he gave for being quiet on this one. I don't think he did it just to unduly influence sales through biased reviews. He certainly hasn't been shamelessly plugging Victory Amps at every opportunity.
that`s not the point
KDH had a point but calling Lee out in this format was obviously meant for views. He could have just spoke to Lee by phone and the result would have been the same. Im with you on this one, KDH should have handled it better.
Like this format/title of this video? HAHAHAHAHA GFTOH dude. That's what RUclips is all about. Seems the ASA agreed with KDH as they are making Lee do the right thing eh. For a business man with hands in so many businesses, he sure seems ignorant of bacis commercial laws.
Oh wow! A guy uploaded a RUclips video for views? HOLY SCHITT!!!!!!! All this time I thought people were just uploading for nobody to watch. What a game changing comment!
@davidconnelly even better is the comment by the guy who just couldn't resist calling out such a ridiculous comment...lmao.
@@davidconnelly Are you KDHs boyfriend? Either that or just a fu@k!ing troll who can't resist making dumb comments.
@@Jethlin2020 He is right after all. KDH dove deep and put up a nice piece that is nothing short of investigative journalism. If you are not interested in that - don`t watch it.
Bro, not disclosing that you’re the owner of the company for the products you are demoing or reviewing is pretty shady… Illegal too.
He doesn’t own it. He invested in the company. Absolutely everything that Andertons sell he makes a profit. It’s called business. No one is forced to buy anything. This is a massive non issue
@@marcohoxha2769 He is one of the owners. Don`t lie
I thought it was obvious right from the start they were in business together when Rob Chapman had a signature amp made by them...
This whole situation could have been handled privately. KDH made a video about to make it about him and put money in his own pocket. There was literally no reason to make a video when Lee was independently contacted by the ASA and dealt with it accordingly. I like both of them even less now and will be unsubcribing to both. I'm tired of all of the stupid fake drama. Keep conflicts to yourselves. Stop acting like teenagers. KDH throws off that holier than thou vibe when he was probably a skinny, dateless nerd in high school that smelled like beef jerky. And Lee is the kid who tried too hard to be cool when he's really just a talentless salesman and nothing more. Period.
Yep...and yep.
100% agree 👍
Thank you!!
I might be wrong here but I feel like the purpose of KDH making these types of videos is to eventually funnel his viewers towards his videos where he actually plays guitar. It’s kind of worked because he’s popular but I don’t know how many of his subscribers are there for the music.
What Andertons did is wrong because it creates distrust with their views on amps when compared to Victory. But I don’t really like KDH’s approach either. It could have been handled privately.
Cancel culture can destroy people over the smallest issues. I really don't like when people do this kinda thing for views.
KDH has some good videos but this was wrong. Andertons support lots of UK business and have lots of employees, in my opinion they have done nothing wrong.
That is EXACTLY my point. Thank you.
Totally agree. Cancel culture is filled with bitterness and jealousy and will become self-destructive soon.
Lee hurt his own business by lying. Not KDH. What Lee did is illegal for good reason.
Oooohhhhh!
I don't see why it would be an issue being a silent partner. I don't think anderton's did anything wrong. It's not like they are trying to hype up a bad company. Victory amps are great amps.
I agree who cares what someone does with their own money and business. I don't feel misled in the slightest. Just more authoritarian laws for safe space of the easily offended. KDH comes across as quite entitled like he runs the cancel police squad or something. It's a free market, people has freedom of choice and speech. He himself in fact uses Victory amps..buyer's remorse? Who knows where the hatred comes from but this cancel culture is so not metal.
LOL. The UK is not the US, and besides that, customers should have a right to know if influencers/reviewers may be biased in any way (like by owning one of the companies). Has nothing to do with being "offended" or "cancel culture", rather with giving consumers and customers the possibility to make up their own mind. That`s what freedom of choice means.
Yes it's clear the UK is fast becoming a nanny state like Australia and Canada. Freedom of choice is exactly that, you make your own decisions regardless of what someone else say or don't say. Unless you're forced, like what the cancel culture wants, a forced apology. That's simply sinister man! Now that the big secret is out, seems people couldn't care less. There were like 3 complaints. It’s always the minority that has the loudest voices! To go into Sherlock Holmes mode and hunt someone down like that shows malicious intent and like it or not - is nothing more than cancel culture.
This has to be the most hypocritical video i've ever seen.
Sounds like an accomplishment. Thank you.
I watched the videos thinking the same thing. Ultimately, who cares if Andertons is involved with Victory amps? Does it affect the quality of the amps? Does it affect the consumer negatively? No and no. KDH's videos are a nothing burger. If anything, KDH is the one doing the duping here, misleading viewers to thing something scandalous is afoot when it isn't. I think Lee handled the situation maturely, amiably, and professionally. My admiration of KDH is diminished.
Exactly. So funny how people say that Lee is dishonest. How is the man dishonest!? lol
Not knowing that the “neutral third party that stands to gain equally no matter what brand you buy” actually secretly owns one of the brands they advertise does directly hurt the consumer. Their representation of victory amps is inherently going to be more positive because (even outside of the financial gain), Lee had a hand in making them. Of course he’s going to like them. By not disclosing that, they are falsely presenting themselves to the consumer, which builds a trust that would in many cases not otherwise exist. Thankfully people do seem to like Victory amps, but the consumer is still owed the knowledge that Lee directly stands to gain more from the sale of one brand over another (when advertising/comparing models, at least).
So a couple of years ago I felt the need for a high gain amp. I had amps from Fender, Vox, Blackstar and Hiwatt but I wanted something for metal. I tried a bunch of amps from Marshall, Orange, Blackstar, and Engl but the one I connected with and ended up buying was the Victory Kraken. Great amp. I don’t care who owns the company. Was not a factor in my purchase.
Exactly my point!!!!!!!
@@RockMixerMusic you are both missing the point of the KDH video then
Thought Lee's involvement with Victory was known like his involvement with Chapman guitars
Agreed. I don't think it was that bigger secret, or big deal.
I don't think it's that obvious tbh and I don't think it should be on the consumers to read between the lines. Especially consumers who don't consume every single video from Anderton's. I've watched Anderton's for years and I had no idea about the Victory Amps association. I knew about Chapman guitars, but it was from putting 2+2 together from Lee's friendship with Rob.
The involvement itself is not a big deal at all and I doubt Lee had any malicious intent. But I do think there should be full transparency for consumers.
@@silverman169 So if you bought a Victory Amp and loved it.....What difference does it make if Lee is an owner or not? Thats my point. Lee is not twisting anyones arm to buy the amp over another. He does believe in the product and whats wrong with that?
@@RockMixerMusic Yep agreed Lee is not twisting anyone's arm. But if he is proud of it, why couldn't he just outright disclose his involvement? And he was required by law to make this disclosure whether we think it's ridiculous or not.
Lee does a great job with being impartial in their videos, but I'm not so sure other companies would be the same if they followed this precedent.
@@RockMixerMusicbecause his involvement shapes his opinion. It is a critical piece of information that consumers need in order to make an informed decision. Thankfully victory is a good brand, but just because something isn’t a literal scam doesn’t mean it isn’t an unethical business practice. Asymmetric information in the context of sales IS a problem, especially if the seller is aware of it.
I dont even own an amp and I knew Victory was an Andertons sub brand
Yeah? How did you know? What source?
@@modestoney1577I dont know. Casino Guitars or Fluff was talking about it or some other guitar channel.. Now let me ask you a question. Why so hostile about this? Your anger seems really overblown for my comment. Please answer honestly and dont say what? I'm not angry . If you cant answer me like I have answered you, Just F*** off
I felt the same way
Every video on Andertons channel is an advertisement for that product - they sell all of them and make a profit on all the products sold. I don't think Andertons showed any preferential treatment to products by brands that Lee had a stake in. In addition there have been several videos where he had disclosed his ownership of Chapman, his investment in Burns guitars and starting the landlord fx brand to compete with other budget options like Mooer etc. Was it made obvious in every video no. Outside of that I can't stand KDH - his pedantic, whiny tone and general negativity make for a horrible watch and I can't help but feel his entire channel is based on tearing other people down. His particular sceptical look at life stifles creativity, spark or enthusiasm for music. Furthermore, I honestly don't see an upside to having to plaster disclosures at across every single video going forward. If Andertons decides to stop making content or the business is greatly impacted by this storm in a teacup we as consumers will all be impacted, because there are very few quality music retailers left (particularly in the UK).
ok, cool
This is a really bad take on the situation. Are you purposely being obtuse or just disingenuous in order to get "Views", like everyone on RUclips? C'mon man, this is why you only have 1.2K subs.
I feel I make very valid points and arguments. Thanks for your opinion.
Nah, you can "Feel" whatever way you want, but Anderton's has an obligation to the consumer to disclose any connection to a company when he also sells products from competitors. Not to mention how influential his RUclips channel is and the possibility to be bias towards his own products that he gets a bigger personal profit from. Again, I must reiterate, are you purposely being obtuse or are you genuinely lacking a bit of ethics and morals?@@RockMixerMusic
@@tomfoolery342 Obviously you are pretty closed minded and unable to realize my absolutely thought compelling and relevant arguments and points in this matter. Again, thanks for your comment and opinion but we are obviously at a stalemate.
"Thought Compelling"? Seriously? More like ethically and morally deficient. BTW, my "Opinion" is backed up by British laws on ethical business practices, so not a "Stalemate".@@RockMixerMusic
@@tomfoolery342 This guy is a joke. I had to laugh out loud about the "my absolutely thought compelling and relevant arguments".
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