Yeah just for Luis Castillo this trade would be so bad. Casas is far to valuable and young to trade for a guy who’s on the downfall of his career being in his early 30s
What does Red Sox Nation think about offering Bregman/Alonso a 3 year deal with a high AAV? Maybe some opt outs for the player after years 1 and 2 that could be countered by a club option adding extra years, if the player is playing exceptionally well. Say 100M for Bregman or 85M for Alonso. There would still be some movement needed by the Sox infield or trade Masa mid summer once he has built back up his value. Alternatively, maybe the easiest is just pay for Teo or Santander. One more closer type is needed as well. I get the feeling Sox are just biding their time and letting the market get smaller for these other players, hoping to swoop in late Jan to grab some discounts, like JD Martinez a few years back.
@kevinsheehy1457 Would rather just get Santander or another DH candidate. Kristian Campbell and Vaughn Grissom are ready to come up and play 2B, Trevor Story will be at SS, and i feel that Devers has a real chance to improve his defense at 3B. Bregman feels like a waste of money.
I think the rib injury is spooking them. I mean he literally tore the cartilage swinging at a pitch and I think they may be worried it will happen again. However if Casas is healthy this year, controls the zone and has 40+ homers I think the Sox will be less likely to move him. Success changes everything. Yes Casas is a free spirit… so was Manny… so was Spaceman Bill Lee and Steve “Psycho” Lyons. The Sox need to embrace these kind of players when they deliver the goods.
His injury was such a flukie thing. I've been watching baseball for 50 years, and I can't remember that happening to anyone else. I've heard of tearing muscles around the ribcage, but not what he did. He is a good player and seems like a nice kid. Hopefully, he will be a part of a championship team in Boston soon and enjoys being there enough to stay around for a while.
Yeah honestly I don’t know maybe it is, and maybe it is spooking other teams. To me that is even more reason to wait. If he proves it isn’t an issue then his talent cost just gets even higher
@@redseatradioI think possibly they might be thinking that going forward, it will affect the way he swings, being that maybe he'll be a bit gun shy thinking it could happen again. Also, to a lesser degree, it seemed like he was out longer than they would have liked and his way in the early days of his rehabbing were more mentally getting ready than physically getting ready. I know this seemed to annoy Cora a bit. Also, his refusal to sign a team friendly contract buying out maybe an extra year or two before he hits free agency like Raphaela and Bello signed. Maybe all those things in unison make him tradable in the right deal for them. I hate the idea too, but what if they're planning on throwing big money at Vladdy in free agency and figure they can get by till that happens. I'd almost rather see them take someone like Refsnyder or Campbell or even Roman and give them 1st base reps to see if they could learn it, rather than move Devers over there and teach him something he's never done and from what his agent has said, it sounds like it would piss him off moving to 1st or DH, when he's still in his 20s. I say keep Casas there. Don't create a hole to fill another hole.
I wouldn’t put too much stock into this. I could be misunderstanding something but it sounds to me like the Red Sox asked the Mariners what it would take to get Castillo. The Mariners said “Casas”, to which the Sox replied, “If you’re taking Casas, you’re taking Yoshida too.” The Mariners said “no” and that was the end. If anything, this shows that the Red Sox value Casas highly. “If you want this really good player, you ought to be willing to take on this bad contract, ‘cause that’s how good he is” type of thing.
I'm so glad this didn't go down because it would have been terrible for us. The thing that saved us was the fact that the Sox wanted more than Castillo and Seattle wanted more than just Casas for Castillo. We both overvalued our players. I love Casas and I think he has a ton of upside and I hope he blows up this year so that they understand his value.
How do the Mariners not do this trade? Yoshida is overpaid but he’s still an above average hitter and would’ve played everyday for them, in addition to being able to buy low on Casas
According to FanGraphs, Masataka Yoshida has barely been a replacement-level player, posting fWAR of 0.6 and 0.8 in his first two MLB seasons despite his annual salary of $18 million. Steamer projects Yoshida with a 2025 WAR of 1.2, Triston Casas with a WAR of 2.4 and Luis Castillo with a WAR of 2.8.
@@FrodohTBaggins Why at 18 mil a year can't Yoshida just bust his ass and learn how to become a better defensive player? Is he really THAT bad? If so, didn't they scout him at all in Japan and know he wouldn't be able to play anything but DH and if so, why would they give a guy like that 18 mil for 5 years? Sounds like a huge overpay considering no other teams were bidding against them, at that level. They seem to sign these bad contracts like Yoshida, Story, Price and then use them as an excuse not to sign anyone to longer term contracts going forward.
You don’t trade proven talent for unproven talent. That’ll always be a bad trade in this case Castillo has more value than casas because casas has yet to prove his value
FWIW The Heathcliff Slocumb trade came one year after the Red Sox traded to Seattle lefthander Jamie Moyer, who posted far more WAR for the Mariners than Jason Varitek or Derek Lowe posted for the Red Sox. Win some, lose some.
This would have been a terrible trade. Casa is 30 Homer potential. It would be like trading Duran in 2023 before last years breakout. Also, Castilio is kind of like a Martin Perez type pitcher. So so.
I’m glad to keep Tristan, but I understand the logic. Yoshida causes a real jam for this team. Getting rid of him opens things up. That said….keep Tristan.
I'm skeptical the details of this report are real, because if I'm the Mariners I'm making that trade. Swapping out Castillo for Casas and Yoshida given the state of their roster sounds like a great move for them.
It is striking that they extended two promising young players (Bello and Rafaela), and made offers to do the same for Casas that he publicly called "nothing too interesting". Maybe their strategy with top prospects is extend-or-trade and they don't think they can get a reasonable extension out of him.
Add it to the list of Bloom blunders. Betts trade, Sale trade, overpaid for Yoshida, Story and Devers. Sure, he had high draft picks because his teams sucked, yet never drafted any pitching. How do you construct a team of mostly lefty bats for a place like Fenway? I’m surprised he didn’t bring Bobby Valentine back instead of Cora.
Yes, he did do a lot of things wrong, but Devers wasn’t an overpay or a bad extension. Yoshida just came off of an MVP and a super good season in 40 less games than the mlb plays. Story was a really good player before the Red Sox signed him. Then he hasn’t played over 100 games in any season since. And Bloom drafted crazy players. Roman Anthony wasn’t really a high draft and super high potential guy until the Red Sox drafted him. Same exact thing with Kristian Campbell. The Sale trade was Craig Breslow, not Bloom. Yes, the Betts trade was horrendous. And I will never forgive someone who traded away my all time favorite player EVER. And we got NOTHING in return. But Bloom did do a lot of things right
Do you think it’s crazy to think that Verlander or Scherzer would make for terrific bullpen depth or even a a really good 5 starter or long reliever if the price is right??
If Yoshida could be moved to another team it would help the team construction for 2025. I'm guessing they will have to keep Yoshida for one more year and then after 2025 they will be able to peddle him off while eating some portion of his remaining 37.2 million contract.
Corbin the reason why Breslow was entertaining the potential deal was to unload Masa. You posted a video about two weeks ago talking about the potential deal for Castillo. At that point walker was still a free agent so I think breslows plan was to acquire Castillo and sign walker for first.
Yikes! Media madness! Casas shouldn't be traded but if Devers is moved to 1B then well maybe but Cora shut that down. Clearly Devers to DH better if Yoshida is gone. Thanks Corbin!
I think it’s because he refused an extension and then took his sweet ass time coming back from his injury. Remember the timeframe was supposed to be after the All-Star break and how much longer it took from that point on they offered him the extension just around the All-Star break. Makes total sense.
It didn't go through, but how do you think Tristan Casas is feeling right now? Finding out your team is shopping you is tough. My guess is that they eventually trade him. They probably have too many lefthanded hitters in the line-up.
I really think, and I could be wrong because I love the guy, but a lot of Devers issues are on the throw. I really believe he could play first, and be good. ps I really think the Sox viewed that trade as a way to get off of Yoshida, which has a TON of value to the Sox.
Sure he might be solid, but how long does it take for him to get solid? That is my point. There are 2 months until the spring, 4 until the 2025 season. Raffy has been playing 3rd since he was 16 and is still figuring it out.
Teoscar signed with the Dodgers for 3 years/$66M. Feels like the Sox could have made a comparable offer that would have been worth at least a couple million more considering the 14% CA state tax. I think we should have pulled the trigger on this offer! Only caveat is I wouldn’t want it to get in the way of Roman Anthony playing outfield in 2025.
Certainly agree that Castillo is being overvalued with the steady decline and scary home/away splits… just a thought on Casas’ value that may be worth considering-is there a chance he’s a bad clubhouse guy, and that’s part of the reason the Sox are more willing to let him go? I remember there being reports on him frustrating teammates last year, and I’m curious if that’s part of the reason Breslow doesn’t value him quite as much as his numbers would suggest. Either way, it seems as if Yoshida in the DH role is what’s keeping Boston from signing Teoscar at this point, so it appears the Sox need to find someone to take him before Teoscar signs elsewhere.
Agree, Casas is still very young. Potentially a stud for the next several years. Also, don't know if Castillo fits this pitching staff. I don't think he has had Tommy John surgery
Corbin I feel stuck here with the Red Sox grabbing another bat. We’re going to have 3 quality prospects coming up with no where to play. Right now Cedena looks to be the odd man out with those 3 . Now adding another power bat which is sorely needed. I’m wondering if collectively if it’s best to let the kids play? It also seems like the Sox are reluctant to give up a comp pick to attain the power bat. What are your thoughts?
"You want our 3rd best starter and the only one thats making real $ for a 1B whose power is stronger than TMobile and a lefty contact bat that also would play in TMobile? What are you stupid we'd never trade for TWO competent hitters!!" -Jerry Dipoto and the M's
Roster Resource currently lists Luke Raley as the Seattle first baseman. The lines for Raley and Triston Casas over the past two seasons: LR 861 PA, .246/.326/.476/.802. 127 OPS+, 6.0 bWAR TC 745 PA, .256/.357/.480/.838, 125 OPS+, 2.8 bWAR
I do not think Tristan Casas will not be here all 4 years. The reason Scott Boras is his agent and will take him to free agency. But, I would hold onto him until he is about 2 years out. We do not know the medicals. If there is something about his bones. I do not like the trade either. I want to hold onto Casas. I saw some posts from Seattle that said for Castillo it would take both Casas and Abreu. I think I would rather have Crawford than Castillo. Look at the trades that have been made. They have not all worked out but they all made a lot of sense. Until Craig does something stupid, you have to give him the benefit of doubt.
Totally reasonable. He says he wasn't very interested in the extension offers the Sox presented. I suspect they're getting the sense that he will be a tough extension. In that case, I think your plan is spot on. Certainly don't trade him now after a "down" season.
@@PieterVanderWerf-p6vI disagree, because I wouldn’t be surprised if the extension was a cheap one with team options. Maybe 60 or 70 million through early 30’s. He seems like a dude who would love to be a redsox for life, his youth and ceiling are of great value.
@@PieterVanderWerf-p6v He hasn’t said anything that i’m aware of, he just seems like a guy with his personality that I could see he a sox for lifer. I just really want him to stay healthy.
Keep Casas next off-season dont pay Vlady, keep young developing Casas for less money and possibly better stats. Yes Casas can match Vlady statistics. Figure Masa out some other way!!
Don’t understand the red sox willingness to trade Casas or the reported willingness to. Is it true ? Remember there was a lot of Trade Duran talk buzzing around which turned out to be uninformed un edified babbling ..he was untouchable and obviously for good reason… I don’t think anybody is taking on YOSHIDA😊 and his perfect running technique anytime soon.
Honestly I think there is more legitimate smoke to this than Duran, at least this offseason. Last offseason that was the big story that just never ended up happening
@@redseatradio have not heard one word this entire winter about Duran other than his breakout season …Houck also had an All Star breakout season ..I think Tristan will breakout in 2025
Love the content!❤ I also love Tristan Casas, as he will be a beast in 25! Walker Buehler is a much better get than Castillo. Brayan Bello will be the game’s best #5 starter at the end… Crochett, Buehler, Houck, Giolito and Bello will get us to the ALCS at least.🎉🎉 Shoutout to Crawford, Sandoval, Whitlock, Fitts, Priester and Criswell for excellent rotation depth along the way. Well done Breslow!! I was a fan of your work ever since you first put on the ‘B’! IN BRESLOW WE TRUST, LETS GO SOX!
The only current trade piece or free agent I’d take instead of casas is vlady and we know that’s not happening right now. I’m in the boat that Masa HAS to go! But both of them for castillo is a wild overpay
I would never give them Casas for Castillo. I don't like the age gap between the two nor do I feel like making our offense weaker. You would need a much younger pitcher back in the deal to even consider it and even then its not a good idea. It would probably create a problem at first base. I think redsox management is dumb to consider even trading him. Thanks Corbin ! Joe
Yoshida needs to be moved, Casas is injury prone. I am okay moving both of those pieces considering Anthony, Mayer and Campbell are knocking on the door. May not have been good to move them for just Castillo but I can see both of them being moved in the future and I am okay with that.
The trades you don’t make are often the best ones! Tristan should be a middle of the order bat to go with Devers, Roman Anthony and Campbell for the next 6-7 years.
Seattle's perspective on trade is very different. Casas is unproven and Yoshida overpaid DH. They'll want a decent prospect to make it happen. I think that's crazy but it all depends on which side you are on.
I don’t fully agree with them trying to trade Casas and am glad they didn’t. They probably felt like they had internal options for first in Raffy which I get, because there aren’t internal options for a true #2. Hopefully Houck can develop into it, but Bello and Crawford are not #2 options.
I just saw reports that 3x batting champion Luis Arraez is on the trade block... and of course, the damn Yankees are linked to it...I don't understand why the red Sox are not in the mix... why is it always the Yankees ...we have a way better farm system than the Yankees... why can't Boston at least make the call and find out...
Because he doesn’t make any sense. He is terrible defensively, is a slap hitter, and is aging. All from the left hand side. The contact is great, but it’s not what the Sox need right now.
Not so sure. A left-handed infielder with severe splits on a team that is too left-handed and probably looking to bring up two infield prospects (Campbell and Mayer) this year and other moderately high-ceiling young players (Grissom, Hamilton) already on payroll. Teoscar makes a lot more sense to me for these reasons.
Wouldn't want any pitcher from Seattle pitching in Boston I don't think it would work as far as trading Casas I'm thinking it's pretty much BS at least I'm hoping it is doesn't make any sense to me especially at this time
I agree with you I'm not sure why they want to trade Cases especially when they don't have an obvious alternative. I guess it might be because he's a weird dude but I don't think that is a good reason to trade. Keep Cases.
Breslow would have been booed out of Boston if this ridiculous trade would have been made.....Casas would have gone on to be a stud for the Mariners for years to come....
Dude a possibility was the Red Sox really wanting to rid themselves of Yoshida…. He’s locking up a very important OF/DH spot (for Roman Anthony or Teoscar who’s now gone) with little upside and for lots of $$$. We’d be able to sign a true DH or power righty or have mobility as a roster with him traded. I think that’s the key here but just me thinking
I don't mind if they trade Casas. I think he's asking for too much money, plus his freak injury didn't help. The Sox should wait for his stock to go up before they trade him. No doubt, he's a good player but I feel we have options...
@redseatradio I know he has 4 more years, just saying since he turned down their contract extension. I don't foresee him extending with us. I guess they could let him walk and offer him a qualifying offer, but I'm still a bit leery about his cartilage tear.
Casas will be much more han just 40 HR potential. A conservative 600 AB season could be 90 R, 31 HR, 95 RBI, .280 AVG, and solid defense. Trading Casas in general is unnecessary. Find a trade partner that needs a SS/OF and offer Mayer, Abreu, and Crawford. I'd do that for Jared Jones, Bryan Woo, anyone like them.
You would rather believe that Breslow is ignorant or has a “break in logic” than to assume there is a legit reason (probably clubhouse related). I know you’re an ardent defender of his quirky actions, but how about assume it’s just because he’s not gelling with the team. The nail-painting and sunbathing alone isn’t it, but when you combine it with his handling of the rib injury and his blatant lies to the media about his recovery, this just isn’t a guy the team can trust. Instead of assuming Breslow is stupid, perhaps consider he knows a lot more than you and has likely spoken to multiple players who privately said, “Please get this guy out of here.”
Yoshida was there best hitter the last 2 months of the season so why they are trying to unload him just to save money they have no idea what there doing
Do you keep track of and speak on when players are called up from the Minor Leagues? I’m following the career of Salem Red Sox player Karim Ayubi and am looking for a podcast that, amongst all other news, would announce if and when he’s put on the official Red Sox roster
Cora & front office have wanted to rid themselves of Casas since he sandbagged them and threw them under bus during his injury We have heard multiple times from Multiple reporters that Sox were looking to trade Casas and were turning over all stoned in their quest for pitching And this proposed trade was in winter meetings when Goldy Nate Lowe Josh Naylor we’re still available and with their former teams Castillo would have been a legit#2 after Crochet and getting rid of Yoshida contract and taking on Castillo contract would only cost Sox 17M over 3 years I think most in Sox organization don’t believe in Casas
im not exactly sure why everyone loves a baseball player that hasnt done anything in the league yet. he has been in the bigs for a while now and there is always a reason why he cant just break out
I think Seattle maybe would have done this trade if was Abreu and Yoshida maybe you think about that I wonder if the Sox actually offered another package I would be curious but it sounds like Seattle definitely wants casas
we literally have no replacement for casas if we trade him. hes the only true first baseman we have. what are we gonna do wait like 5 years for blaze jordan? nah im all set. but i will say this. he does need to be healthy next year no excuses. hes not a rookie anymore. hes needs to ge healthy and consistent if we wanna go far. he needs to step up
Not a horrible trade. Actually, makes sense on a lot of areas. Frees up roster spots for a right hander power bat far more easily. There are still plenty of first basement on the market. Also, frees up payroll to spend in better places, including a right hander power bat. It's would've brought in an arm that may have been questionable, but a greater need that is worth the risk. And it would've been for someone clogging the lineup and someone with questionable durability. Can't see how this doesn't make sense. The lack of seeing the forest through the trees is why I typically skip trade theory videos on RUclips.
That Trade was not bad. We have to be realistic. Red Sox need right hand bat. Casas and Yoshida will open the opportunity to get right hand bat. The problem here is two left hand bat have to go. Duran, Abreu, Casas, Yoshida, Devers. Two have to go. Plus Anthony and Mayer are Left hand. How you can balances the line up. How you can add having this team. We have to be realistic.
The most logical answer? Like Alex said. With conviction. There was no trade in any form that involved Casas for Castillo. Reporters stretching the truth to stay relevant? Never. Lol
It's been quiet on the trade & free agent front for the last 7-10 days. Could it be reporters putting something out there when nothing's going on? Guess you gotta publish the sports page daily.
Sox should just keep Casas, let him hit his 30-40 home runs for the next couple years. If they still don't want him at that point, they could get a much bigger haul for him.
That does undermine faith in the front office. No surprise there. The most valuable pieces were all here before Breslow. That is waht was used to get Crochet. Having that jerk Chapman and all the Tommy John what ifs in the bullpen is also irritating.
Next time plug this trade into baseballtradevalues. This trade really looks super bad. Baseballtradevalues has the wrong salary for Castillo to begin with. If Yoshida is healthy+producing 1.5 WAR per year. His value would be 4.5WAR x 8 million per 1 WAR = 36 value -55.5 million salary= -19.5 true value. Casas is worth 29.6 million. Yoshida 's -19.5 +Castillo's 2 million value(which is being generous by baseballtradevalues) gives a trade 21.5 million for Casas '29.6 million value. I hope you can follow my logic. I could more reasonable see a Yoshida+Hamilton +5 million trade dump. I see more realistic playing with Yoshida for 2-4 months with Roman Anthony in Worcester cutting down their salary dump cost.
Triston Casas should remain in Boston. I’m glad that this trade didn’t happen
You and me both I just bought a Navy Casas jersey
All set, guys soft.
Yeah just for Luis Castillo this trade would be so bad. Casas is far to valuable and young to trade for a guy who’s on the downfall of his career being in his early 30s
Totally agree
What does Red Sox Nation think about offering Bregman/Alonso a 3 year deal with a high AAV?
Maybe some opt outs for the player after years 1 and 2 that could be countered by a club option adding extra years, if the player is playing exceptionally well.
Say 100M for Bregman or 85M for Alonso.
There would still be some movement needed by the Sox infield or trade Masa mid summer once he has built back up his value.
Alternatively, maybe the easiest is just pay for Teo or Santander.
One more closer type is needed as well.
I get the feeling Sox are just biding their time and letting the market get smaller for these other players, hoping to swoop in late Jan to grab some discounts, like JD Martinez a few years back.
@@kevinsheehy1457Bregman turned down 156mm.
@kevinsheehy1457 Would rather just get Santander or another DH candidate. Kristian Campbell and Vaughn Grissom are ready to come up and play 2B, Trevor Story will be at SS, and i feel that Devers has a real chance to improve his defense at 3B. Bregman feels like a waste of money.
So FLIPPIN' HAPPY they didn't trade Casas!
I think the rib injury is spooking them. I mean he literally tore the cartilage swinging at a pitch and I think they may be worried it will happen again.
However if Casas is healthy this year, controls the zone and has 40+ homers I think the Sox will be less likely to move him. Success changes everything. Yes Casas is a free spirit… so was Manny… so was Spaceman Bill Lee and Steve “Psycho” Lyons. The Sox need to embrace these kind of players when they deliver the goods.
His injury was such a flukie thing. I've been watching baseball for 50 years, and I can't remember that happening to anyone else. I've heard of tearing muscles around the ribcage, but not what he did. He is a good player and seems like a nice kid. Hopefully, he will be a part of a championship team in Boston soon and enjoys being there enough to stay around for a while.
Yeah honestly I don’t know maybe it is, and maybe it is spooking other teams. To me that is even more reason to wait. If he proves it isn’t an issue then his talent cost just gets even higher
@@redseatradioI think possibly they might be thinking that going forward, it will affect the way he swings, being that maybe he'll be a bit gun shy thinking it could happen again. Also, to a lesser degree, it seemed like he was out longer than they would have liked and his way in the early days of his rehabbing were more mentally getting ready than physically getting ready. I know this seemed to annoy Cora a bit. Also, his refusal to sign a team friendly contract buying out maybe an extra year or two before he hits free agency like Raphaela and Bello signed. Maybe all those things in unison make him tradable in the right deal for them. I hate the idea too, but what if they're planning on throwing big money at Vladdy in free agency and figure they can get by till that happens. I'd almost rather see them take someone like Refsnyder or Campbell or even Roman and give them 1st base reps to see if they could learn it, rather than move Devers over there and teach him something he's never done and from what his agent has said, it sounds like it would piss him off moving to 1st or DH, when he's still in his 20s. I say keep Casas there. Don't create a hole to fill another hole.
Doesn’t really make sense. The Sox keep getting injured pitchers so why would Casis be any different
the only reason they would make that deal is to off-load Yoshida
correct
I wouldn’t put too much stock into this. I could be misunderstanding something but it sounds to me like the Red Sox asked the Mariners what it would take to get Castillo. The Mariners said “Casas”, to which the Sox replied, “If you’re taking Casas, you’re taking Yoshida too.” The Mariners said “no” and that was the end.
If anything, this shows that the Red Sox value Casas highly. “If you want this really good player, you ought to be willing to take on this bad contract, ‘cause that’s how good he is” type of thing.
I'm so glad this didn't go down because it would have been terrible for us. The thing that saved us was the fact that the Sox wanted more than Castillo and Seattle wanted more than just Casas for Castillo. We both overvalued our players.
I love Casas and I think he has a ton of upside and I hope he blows up this year so that they understand his value.
Yeah this would have been a bit of a disaster i think in a lot of ways
How do the Mariners not do this trade? Yoshida is overpaid but he’s still an above average hitter and would’ve played everyday for them, in addition to being able to buy low on Casas
Because there’s no position for him toplay
According to FanGraphs, Masataka Yoshida has barely been a replacement-level player, posting fWAR of 0.6 and 0.8 in his first two MLB seasons despite his annual salary of $18 million. Steamer projects Yoshida with a 2025 WAR of 1.2, Triston Casas with a WAR of 2.4 and Luis Castillo with a WAR of 2.8.
@@FrodohTBaggins Why at 18 mil a year can't Yoshida just bust his ass and learn how to become a better defensive player? Is he really THAT bad? If so, didn't they scout him at all in Japan and know he wouldn't be able to play anything but DH and if so, why would they give a guy like that 18 mil for 5 years? Sounds like a huge overpay considering no other teams were bidding against them, at that level. They seem to sign these bad contracts like Yoshida, Story, Price and then use them as an excuse not to sign anyone to longer term contracts going forward.
I don't want them to trade Triston. Unless they get something major. I really like his potential and I think he could be a star
You don’t trade proven talent for unproven talent. That’ll always be a bad trade in this case Castillo has more value than casas because casas has yet to prove his value
Should terrify anyone that we have this incompetent of a Front Office. Breslow continues to get exposed!!
Seattle is still scared to trade with us since the Slocumb trade 😂
Wish we could get another Varitek
@ and oh yeah here's Derek Lowe too 🎁
One of if not the best trade the Red Sox ever made. Slocumb was awful lol
@@harryparsons2750 I remember just being happy he was gone.
FWIW The Heathcliff Slocumb trade came one year after the Red Sox traded to Seattle lefthander Jamie Moyer, who posted far more WAR for the Mariners than Jason Varitek or Derek Lowe posted for the Red Sox. Win some, lose some.
This would have been a terrible trade. Casa is 30 Homer potential. It would be like trading Duran in 2023 before last years breakout.
Also, Castilio is kind of like a Martin Perez type pitcher. So so.
Could not agree more Corbin! Another great video! We believe in Triston!
Cora hates him. that's why.
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What do you think of Detroit signing Torres? Indication the tigers tapped out of bregman sweepstakes?
Unfortunately I dont think it does much, it may lower their odds a bit but I think they are still a team to watch
Yea just saw plan is to play Keith at 1B so what will happen with torkelson? Interesting to watch unfold…
I’m glad to keep Tristan, but I understand the logic. Yoshida causes a real jam for this team. Getting rid of him opens things up. That said….keep Tristan.
Yeah it’s logical but also really dumb
I’m a big fan of Casas game. No way we should even be considering trading him.
phew i’m glad this didint happen, what do yall think?
I'm skeptical the details of this report are real, because if I'm the Mariners I'm making that trade. Swapping out Castillo for Casas and Yoshida given the state of their roster sounds like a great move for them.
Yeah I agree I go with Alex Speier.
It is striking that they extended two promising young players (Bello and Rafaela), and made offers to do the same for Casas that he publicly called "nothing too interesting". Maybe their strategy with top prospects is extend-or-trade and they don't think they can get a reasonable extension out of him.
Add it to the list of Bloom blunders. Betts trade, Sale trade, overpaid for Yoshida, Story and Devers. Sure, he had high draft picks because his teams sucked, yet never drafted any pitching. How do you construct a team of mostly lefty bats for a place like Fenway? I’m surprised he didn’t bring Bobby Valentine back instead of Cora.
Yes, he did do a lot of things wrong, but Devers wasn’t an overpay or a bad extension. Yoshida just came off of an MVP and a super good season in 40 less games than the mlb plays. Story was a really good player before the Red Sox signed him. Then he hasn’t played over 100 games in any season since. And Bloom drafted crazy players. Roman Anthony wasn’t really a high draft and super high potential guy until the Red Sox drafted him. Same exact thing with Kristian Campbell. The Sale trade was Craig Breslow, not Bloom. Yes, the Betts trade was horrendous. And I will never forgive someone who traded away my all time favorite player EVER. And we got NOTHING in return. But Bloom did do a lot of things right
@ I should forgive him since he did infect the Yanks with Verdugo.
@@rebchi that was breslow
@ dammit! 😮
Do you think it’s crazy to think that Verlander or Scherzer would make for terrific bullpen depth or even a a really good 5 starter or long reliever if the price is right??
If Yoshida could be moved to another team it would help the team construction for 2025. I'm guessing they will have to keep Yoshida for one more year and then after 2025 they will be able to peddle him off while eating some portion of his remaining 37.2 million contract.
Corbin the reason why Breslow was entertaining the potential deal was to unload Masa. You posted a video about two weeks ago talking about the potential deal for Castillo. At that point walker was still a free agent so I think breslows plan was to acquire Castillo and sign walker for first.
Yeah obviously that’s the reason you attach masa there but it would have still been a really dumb move
Yikes! Media madness! Casas shouldn't be traded but if Devers is moved to 1B then well maybe but Cora shut that down. Clearly Devers to DH better if Yoshida is gone. Thanks Corbin!
I think it’s because he refused an extension and then took his sweet ass time coming back from his injury. Remember the timeframe was supposed to be after the All-Star break and how much longer it took from that point on they offered him the extension just around the All-Star break. Makes total sense.
It didn't go through, but how do you think Tristan Casas is feeling right now? Finding out your team is shopping you is tough.
My guess is that they eventually trade him. They probably have too many lefthanded hitters in the line-up.
I really think, and I could be wrong because I love the guy, but a lot of Devers issues are on the throw. I really believe he could play first, and be good. ps I really think the Sox viewed that trade as a way to get off of Yoshida, which has a TON of value to the Sox.
Sure he might be solid, but how long does it take for him to get solid? That is my point. There are 2 months until the spring, 4 until the 2025 season. Raffy has been playing 3rd since he was 16 and is still figuring it out.
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Teoscar signed with the Dodgers for 3 years/$66M. Feels like the Sox could have made a comparable offer that would have been worth at least a couple million more considering the 14% CA state tax. I think we should have pulled the trigger on this offer! Only caveat is I wouldn’t want it to get in the way of Roman Anthony playing outfield in 2025.
Abeau could be traded to open up a spot for Campbell or Anthony. Hamilton could have value to open up an infield spot. There are moves to be made.
Certainly agree that Castillo is being overvalued with the steady decline and scary home/away splits… just a thought on Casas’ value that may be worth considering-is there a chance he’s a bad clubhouse guy, and that’s part of the reason the Sox are more willing to let him go? I remember there being reports on him frustrating teammates last year, and I’m curious if that’s part of the reason Breslow doesn’t value him quite as much as his numbers would suggest.
Either way, it seems as if Yoshida in the DH role is what’s keeping Boston from signing Teoscar at this point, so it appears the Sox need to find someone to take him before Teoscar signs elsewhere.
Agree, Casas is still very young. Potentially a stud for the next several years. Also, don't know if Castillo fits this pitching staff. I don't think he has had Tommy John surgery
Corbin I feel stuck here with the Red Sox grabbing another bat. We’re going to have 3 quality prospects coming up with no where to play. Right now Cedena looks to be the odd man out with those 3 . Now adding another power bat which is sorely needed. I’m wondering if collectively if it’s best to let the kids play? It also seems like the Sox are reluctant to give up a comp pick to attain the power bat. What are your thoughts?
"You want our 3rd best starter and the only one thats making real $ for a 1B whose power is stronger than TMobile and a lefty contact bat that also would play in TMobile? What are you stupid we'd never trade for TWO competent hitters!!"
-Jerry Dipoto and the M's
Roster Resource currently lists Luke Raley as the Seattle first baseman. The lines for Raley and Triston Casas over the past two seasons:
LR 861 PA, .246/.326/.476/.802. 127 OPS+, 6.0 bWAR
TC 745 PA, .256/.357/.480/.838, 125 OPS+, 2.8 bWAR
It didn’t happen because Seattle didn’t wanna take on the 3 years of masa contract . Only reason Sox didn’t pull the trigger .
Correct
Casas is a sturdy hitter and a fairly fluid defensive player which makes me think he's an above average value 1st baseman
I do not think Tristan Casas will not be here all 4 years. The reason Scott Boras is his agent and will take him to free agency. But, I would hold onto him until he is about 2 years out. We do not know the medicals. If there is something about his bones.
I do not like the trade either. I want to hold onto Casas. I saw some posts from Seattle that said for Castillo it would take both Casas and Abreu. I think I would rather have Crawford than Castillo.
Look at the trades that have been made. They have not all worked out but they all made a lot of sense. Until Craig does something stupid, you have to give him the benefit of doubt.
Totally reasonable. He says he wasn't very interested in the extension offers the Sox presented. I suspect they're getting the sense that he will be a tough extension. In that case, I think your plan is spot on. Certainly don't trade him now after a "down" season.
@@PieterVanderWerf-p6vI disagree, because I wouldn’t be surprised if the extension was a cheap one with team options. Maybe 60 or 70 million through early 30’s. He seems like a dude who would love to be a redsox for life, his youth and ceiling are of great value.
@@travis6694 I hope you're right. What has he done/said that says he wants to be a Sox for life? I haven't been tuning into all this stuff.
@@PieterVanderWerf-p6v He hasn’t said anything that i’m aware of, he just seems like a guy with his personality that I could see he a sox for lifer. I just really want him to stay healthy.
@@PieterVanderWerf-p6v Hopefully by then they will have a replacement in AAA.
Keep Casas next off-season dont pay Vlady, keep young developing Casas for less money and possibly better stats. Yes Casas can match Vlady statistics. Figure Masa out some other way!!
Don’t understand the red sox willingness to trade Casas or the reported willingness to. Is it true ? Remember there was a lot of Trade Duran talk buzzing around which turned out to be uninformed un edified babbling ..he was untouchable and obviously for good reason… I don’t think anybody is taking on YOSHIDA😊 and his perfect running technique anytime soon.
Honestly I think there is more legitimate smoke to this than Duran, at least this offseason. Last offseason that was the big story that just never ended up happening
@@redseatradio have not heard one word this entire winter about Duran other than his breakout season …Houck also had an All Star breakout season ..I think Tristan will breakout in 2025
True feels like a pattern is emerging
They will kill Triston's spirit if they don't remove his name from these trade negotiations. He can be the right side cornerstone of this franchise.
I've listened to a few of the Seattle Pod casts and they are all like "Boston needs to take the full contract give up Casas and two top ten prospects"
Of course whatever benefits only them 😂
Burnes heads to Arizona. Makes sense. He has a home there. 6 years , 210 million. Diamondback fans are happy today.
Just because someone looking to get his name noticed brings up a big name in a possible trade doesn't mean there is any legitimacy to it.
Love the content!❤ I also love Tristan Casas, as he will be a beast in 25! Walker Buehler is a much better get than Castillo. Brayan Bello will be the game’s best #5 starter at the end… Crochett, Buehler, Houck, Giolito and Bello will get us to the ALCS at least.🎉🎉
Shoutout to Crawford, Sandoval, Whitlock, Fitts, Priester and Criswell for excellent rotation depth along the way. Well done Breslow!! I was a fan of your work ever since you first put on the ‘B’! IN BRESLOW WE TRUST, LETS GO SOX!
The only current trade piece or free agent I’d take instead of casas is vlady and we know that’s not happening right now. I’m in the boat that Masa HAS to go! But both of them for castillo is a wild overpay
I would never give them Casas for Castillo. I don't like the age gap between the two nor do I feel like making our offense weaker. You would need a much younger pitcher back in the deal to even consider it and even then its not a good idea. It would probably create a problem at first base. I think redsox management is dumb to consider even trading him. Thanks Corbin ! Joe
Yeah I would agree if they do trade him it needs to be for someone younger
Yoshida needs to be moved, Casas is injury prone. I am okay moving both of those pieces considering Anthony, Mayer and Campbell are knocking on the door.
May not have been good to move them for just Castillo but I can see both of them being moved in the future and I am okay with that.
Biggest reason this trade would've been bad is they have no replacement for Casas at first base. $0.02.
The trades you don’t make are often the best ones! Tristan should be a middle of the order bat to go with Devers, Roman Anthony and Campbell for the next 6-7 years.
Seattle's perspective on trade is very different. Casas is unproven and Yoshida overpaid DH. They'll want a decent prospect to make it happen. I think that's crazy but it all depends on which side you are on.
I don’t fully agree with them trying to trade Casas and am glad they didn’t. They probably felt like they had internal options for first in Raffy which I get, because there aren’t internal options for a true #2. Hopefully Houck can develop into it, but Bello and Crawford are not #2 options.
Pencil in Casas for 35+HR this year and Yoshida for 20+HR and World Series MVP 😉🫀⚾️
thank god
I just saw reports that 3x batting champion Luis Arraez is on the trade block... and of course, the damn Yankees are linked to it...I don't understand why the red Sox are not in the mix... why is it always the Yankees ...we have a way better farm system than the Yankees... why can't Boston at least make the call and find out...
@@ghostlover951 he would be perfect for the Sox
Because he doesn’t make any sense. He is terrible defensively, is a slap hitter, and is aging. All from the left hand side. The contact is great, but it’s not what the Sox need right now.
Not so sure. A left-handed infielder with severe splits on a team that is too left-handed and probably looking to bring up two infield prospects (Campbell and Mayer) this year and other moderately high-ceiling young players (Grissom, Hamilton) already on payroll. Teoscar makes a lot more sense to me for these reasons.
Imagine if this trade went through and Craig didnt acquire Crochet..
Wouldn't want any pitcher from Seattle pitching in Boston I don't think it would work as far as trading Casas I'm thinking it's pretty much BS at least I'm hoping it is doesn't make any sense to me especially at this time
Casas is single digit percentile in speed at 24 years old. Same with range. Unless he's Big Papi 2.0, that's really bad.
thanks corbin
I agree with you I'm not sure why they want to trade Cases especially when they don't have an obvious alternative. I guess it might be because he's a weird dude but I don't think that is a good reason to trade. Keep Cases.
Breslow would have been booed out of Boston if this ridiculous trade would have been made.....Casas would have gone on to be a stud for the Mariners for years to come....
I honestly like moving Casas and/or Yoshida because I would sign Bregman for third and move Devers to DH and like Alonso over Casas.
Dude a possibility was the Red Sox really wanting to rid themselves of Yoshida…. He’s locking up a very important OF/DH spot (for Roman Anthony or Teoscar who’s now gone) with little upside and for lots of $$$. We’d be able to sign a true DH or power righty or have mobility as a roster with him traded. I think that’s the key here but just me thinking
Nice shirt. And thank goodness there was a grown up in the room.
thanks!
Let's go Tristan!!! Keep him damn it he gonna have a 30+hr 100+rbi season and then he will make it threw all doubt!!
The only was if trade Casas is for Pirates starter.
Why would you want Castillo? We didn’t keep Pivetta. He’s a bust. I wouldn’t trade costs at all unless it’s for one of the top two pitchers.
I don't mind if they trade Casas. I think he's asking for too much money, plus his freak injury didn't help. The Sox should wait for his stock to go up before they trade him. No doubt, he's a good player but I feel we have options...
Too much money? The team controls his value for 4 more years.
@redseatradio I know he has 4 more years, just saying since he turned down their contract extension. I don't foresee him extending with us. I guess they could let him walk and offer him a qualifying offer, but I'm still a bit leery about his cartilage tear.
Casas will be much more han just 40 HR potential. A conservative 600 AB season could be 90 R, 31 HR, 95 RBI, .280 AVG, and solid defense.
Trading Casas in general is unnecessary. Find a trade partner that needs a SS/OF and offer Mayer, Abreu, and Crawford. I'd do that for Jared Jones, Bryan Woo, anyone like them.
I think this trade had more to do with trying to offload Yoshida than it did Casas
You would rather believe that Breslow is ignorant or has a “break in logic” than to assume there is a legit reason (probably clubhouse related).
I know you’re an ardent defender of his quirky actions, but how about assume it’s just because he’s not gelling with the team. The nail-painting and sunbathing alone isn’t it, but when you combine it with his handling of the rib injury and his blatant lies to the media about his recovery, this just isn’t a guy the team can trust.
Instead of assuming Breslow is stupid, perhaps consider he knows a lot more than you and has likely spoken to multiple players who privately said, “Please get this guy out of here.”
So we are focusing on 1 of the 3 different reasons I gave for why they would trade him? Completely ignoring the others to make your point?
Thank god we didn’t, but I really like Yoshida at DH if we sign a Bergman to play 2B then our lineup will be stacked.
Yoshida was there best hitter the last 2 months of the season so why they are trying to unload him just to save money they have no idea what there doing
I think it is a Christmas miracle that this trade didn't happen!
Absolutely
Do you keep track of and speak on when players are called up from the Minor Leagues? I’m following the career of Salem Red Sox player Karim Ayubi and am looking for a podcast that, amongst all other news, would announce if and when he’s put on the official Red Sox roster
Sure yeah when/if he’s added to the big league roster we will talk about it
I wouldn't read too much into media reports. I'm sure these negotiations kick around lots of potential moves. Fact is that the Red Sox didn't do it.
Cora & front office have wanted to rid themselves of Casas since he sandbagged them and threw them under bus during his injury
We have heard multiple times from
Multiple reporters that Sox were looking to trade Casas and were turning over all stoned in their quest for pitching
And this proposed trade was in winter meetings when Goldy Nate Lowe Josh Naylor we’re still available and with their former teams
Castillo would have been a legit#2 after Crochet and getting rid of Yoshida contract and taking on Castillo contract would only cost Sox 17M over 3 years
I think most in Sox organization don’t believe in Casas
I have never wanted to trade Casas. Mark my words he is going to have a breakout year in 2025 and it would have been a trade they regretted
im not exactly sure why everyone loves a baseball player that hasnt done anything in the league yet. he has been in the bigs for a while now and there is always a reason why he cant just break out
I mean….. we could have then signed the polar bear.. 🐻❄️ I think we make a real push for Bregman though
I think Seattle maybe would have done this trade if was Abreu and Yoshida maybe you think about that I wonder if the Sox actually offered another package I would be curious but it sounds like Seattle definitely wants casas
If the Red Sox are trading Casas it better be for Vlad with an extension or they need to have their head examine.
we literally have no replacement for casas if we trade him. hes the only true first baseman we have. what are we gonna do wait like 5 years for blaze jordan? nah im all set. but i will say this. he does need to be healthy next year no excuses. hes not a rookie anymore. hes needs to ge healthy and consistent if we wanna go far. he needs to step up
Teoscar goes back to L.A. with a 3 year deal. Another one off the table !!!!!!
Not a horrible trade. Actually, makes sense on a lot of areas. Frees up roster spots for a right hander power bat far more easily. There are still plenty of first basement on the market. Also, frees up payroll to spend in better places, including a right hander power bat. It's would've brought in an arm that may have been questionable, but a greater need that is worth the risk. And it would've been for someone clogging the lineup and someone with questionable durability. Can't see how this doesn't make sense.
The lack of seeing the forest through the trees is why I typically skip trade theory videos on RUclips.
That Trade was not bad. We have to be realistic. Red Sox need right hand bat. Casas and Yoshida will open the opportunity to get right hand bat. The problem here is two left hand bat have to go. Duran, Abreu, Casas, Yoshida, Devers. Two have to go. Plus Anthony and Mayer are Left hand. How you can balances the line up. How you can add having this team. We have to be realistic.
Can Casas hit in cold weather? We’re going to find out.
Fienstein is NYY supporter.We need Casas, and i wonder what has gone on with Casas that turned them against him.
You said a mouthful bro. WHY do they not value our man Casas?? Castillo is clearly trending down. SMH
We don't need Casas ship him out of here.
The most logical answer?
Like Alex said. With conviction. There was no trade in any form that involved Casas for Castillo. Reporters stretching the truth to stay relevant? Never. Lol
It's been quiet on the trade & free agent front for the last 7-10 days. Could it be reporters putting something out there when nothing's going on? Guess you gotta publish the sports page daily.
Sox should just keep Casas, let him hit his 30-40 home runs for the next couple years. If they still don't want him at that point, they could get a much bigger haul for him.
We need keep Tristan and add a power bat and we’re all set
Casas(with still plenty of room to develop) is easily the 6th best 1B in all of baseball...cannot clain anywhere near the same for Castillo...
@@talbotbid011 6th lol as a Sox fan that’s hilarious
That does undermine faith in the front office. No surprise there. The most valuable pieces were all here before Breslow. That is waht was used to get Crochet. Having that jerk Chapman and all the Tommy John what ifs in the bullpen is also irritating.
Next time plug this trade into baseballtradevalues. This trade really looks super bad. Baseballtradevalues has the wrong salary for Castillo to begin with. If Yoshida is healthy+producing 1.5 WAR per year. His value would be 4.5WAR x 8 million per 1 WAR = 36 value -55.5 million salary= -19.5 true value. Casas is worth 29.6 million. Yoshida 's -19.5 +Castillo's 2 million value(which is being generous by baseballtradevalues) gives a trade 21.5 million for Casas '29.6 million value. I hope you can follow my logic. I could more reasonable see a Yoshida+Hamilton +5 million trade dump. I see more realistic playing with Yoshida for 2-4 months with Roman Anthony in Worcester cutting down their salary dump cost.
Casas gets hurt too often. The Red sox should trade him now why his value is high.