It's not about being honest or not. It's more on knowledge & experiences with the reviewers itself. Can they detect the positive & negative points meticulously or not.
I bought a S70. Been driving it for two weeks. I have not noticed or felt any intrusive vibrations. On the contrary, I find the drive smooth and comfortable. Granted, the throttle response needs a bit of getting used to but nothing too dramatic. Another thing I fail to understand is this obsession with soft and hard plastic. Plastic is plastic. I did not buy the car with the intention of groping it. The cabin is comfortable and that works just fine for me. I have not noticed the rattling seatbelt either. Perhaps I just have a higher tolerance for annoying things and less attractive key fobs. My decision to buy a Proton was somewhat a leap of faith. Perhaps it stems from an inherent bias or perhaps it is their fault for producing inferior cars - be it real or perceived - compared to other manufacturers. My first car was a Wira and it did not give me sleepless nights. I also owned a Ford Ranger for several years but never once took it off road or ferried heavy loads which it was designed for. I paid for parts and tech which I never utilised. Though it was "built tough", I avoided potholes and puddles let alone flooded roads because I was concerned that it would damage the truck or paint. I have to admit that I purchased it simply because it looked big and intimidating . Nothing more than an expensive testosterone booster. So I wised up and downgraded to a more practical Honda City (which incidentally had paddle shifters that I never used either). Both served me well but not without their fair share of problems, squeaks and rattles. I am practical enough to expect some hiccups with the S70 as I would with any other car that is just one of tens of thousands rolling out of an assembly line but I am keeping my fingers crossed that there will be no major problems. But Google any car brand together with the word "problems" and none are spared. For example, Google tells me that "common problems" for Rolls Royce are "water leaks, suspension issues and engine mounts" among others.
Well I have to somewhat agree to disagree with Hafriz.. Clocked in 1.5km with my S70 Flagship.. I’m coming from a City GM6.. 1st time with a 3 cyc engine.. Still need to get used to it.. And yes hafriz, you can actually feel a slight vibration if you really pay attention to notice it.. Especially when it’s idle, with aircon on.. But it’s not an irritating or a major vibration, where at most times, you won’t actually notice it.. I guess it’s because of the 3 cyc engine character and also the price point of this car.. Maybe in terms of costing, they can’t really soundproof it to the level of an Altis.. S70 maybe positioned as a C-segment, but we all know Malaysians purchase a car based on their price point and not the segment.. And in terms of the gearbox calibration with the engine, yes the turbo lag is quite obvious and the pickup, when the car moves from a standstill, you may feel that it is abit off, with a sudden jolt.. For me it’s my first time using a turbocharged vehicle, since I’m coming from a NA.. so I need some time getting used to the way this gearbox is tuned.. I chose S70 rather than upgrading to the new City is because I had a bad experience with Honda’s CVT.. Stopped being a fan of CVT’s.. That’s why I decided to go with S70.. For me it’s the price point.. It’s really a good bargain with a price tag below 100k, for a turbocharged 1.5 and a DCT gearbox.. If we keep a high expectation in our mind and start comparing, or finding fault, then yes we will be let down.. Proton is still in its recovery, but yet they managed to bring in and add their own touch to these cars, with a competitive price point in the market.. It’s a value for money car.. For me, it’s simple, if I can afford a 200k car, of course I wouldn’t be considering a S70.. But I am only able to afford a car below the 100k price point, and I chose S70, which has a great price point to go along with its features.. No regrets here, as I’m a person who can’t afford to change car every 5 years.. Kudos to you for being transparent and honest in this review.. For the vibration issue, an additional soundproofing and the matter can be resolved, for the gearbox calibration, a little tuning might improve it abit, but only after the warranty period is over..
I am a honda city owner for 8 years, and my family own a almera too. I think i am wuite qualified to give comment when you compare s70 with city and almera. Fuel consumption honda and almera win. Second hand value, Japan car win. When i said jaoan car second hand value is higher , its means its durability is higher. My honda city millage 160k, 8 years car, today still can sell at 32k. Which means its durability is high even after 8 years, otherwise market wont buy it And the last is after sales service, Japan car win. Other than these 3 factor, i personally think s70 still win. That's why i am seeling my city and taking in s70. Expext next month delivery. Add on comments: I have try test drive quite many time. Don't feel any 3 cylinder vibration as the internet said. May be it's still new. Besides, my wife is owing an axia, which is 3 cylinder engine too. 7 years already, no problems at all. My friends own a proton x50, 3 cylinder engine as well. Tak ada masalah juga. I guess it's all depend on how you handling, how you take care. Last, technology now is improving. 3 cylinders engine today is different with those engine at kancil era.
Remember, the car you have test driven may be slightly different than the unit you get. Test drives unit tend to have some "enhancement" such as better speakers, extra sound insulation etc. Just sayin. Agree also the concern on after sales service for proton, hope they improved.
You are smart. Selling old city which has high resale value to get this s70, which is really value for money & has far more techs compared to your old car. With the 30k DP & loan another 60k for the flagship variant, should be ok for monthly payments.
Been driving my dad’s old 2007 Camry since I started my first job in 2018. Am doing my research to buy my first car and test drove an S70 last week. My feedback : 1) The vibration is noticeable when its idling (Maybe im used to my Camry being quiet) 2) Tyre noise is quite loud 3) Throttle response is quite good 4) Interior looks great to my liking 5) Wished it had Apple Car Play though
as a myvi 3rd gen facelift user, i will consider S70 and Honda City and definitely no vios (because the new vios same as my myvi.. same engine and same DCVT but different concept so why do i need same workhorse?? Haha). Will considering both for a new sedan
Nonono I’m a x50 premium owner which used the same mpi engine I think the driving experience about the jerky gearbox, the throttle paddle, the vibration during low speeds are all apparent here but absent in the tgdi engine. I’ve driven the tgdi engine it feel smoother compared to the mpi one, and maybe due to less torque it vibrates more because it always refuses to downshift. I think the gearbox mapping is more tuned for the tgdi version instead of the mpi one. Proton should have 2 different gearbox mapping for the tgdi and mpi version.
So all those testing of million km and all...what da heck where the test team doing then with that much wrong in the calibrations?? how did they pass these tests?
When developing the CFE powertrain, Proton also evaluated Mitsubishi and Hyundai torque converter autos alongside the Punch CVT... and ended up settling for the CVT to go with their CFE engine. Go figure. Proton's millions of kms and thousands of man-hours of testing don't mean much, as we've seen over the years. Millions of km testing and they didn't notice the the OCH was a design flaw? Similarly, with the S70, I'm pretty sure they've overlooked many areas as well despite the millions of km and thousands of man-hours.
Proton is progressing eventhough at a snail's pace in terms of sedan segment. Hope it will do well for all the efforts of the Chinese to turn the company around.
The review tries to cover enough ground to meet what many drivers would be interested in. His presentation sounds labored and feels like he is reading. He presents both fact and opinion in equal tone which can be confusing. The car? What he said. Like with any car, find a mechanic that is knowledgeable about the car and won't overcharge you. During and after warranty. Stick with the guy because he can take care of it while you focus on driving it.
i'll pick S70 right away erday over city n vios...it drives more like conti at least the feel is there... i also experience S70 drives like a proper bigger C segment sedan rather than compact like city n vios... on sport mode, S70 can tapau both cars even altis on the road in no time also will less engine noise unlike dramatic (gasping for air) like city n vios... it does feels quick than the rest mentioned cars...as for me Civic is the number 1 for performance and followed closly by S70...
Sure the car has issues, yes, but it would be justified by the price to be honest. I wouldn't expect a sedan below RM10,000 to have quality like a Mercedes.
Yes yes the throttle is totally wonky finally a review that looks into this seriously. Like many others, my first impression + short test drive i was blown away, i can get this much for under 100k? Man why would any1 consider other B segment cars at this price point i thought. Thank god, i did not jump the gun & diligently test drive every single B seg cars, as long its within my 100k budget However for proton, the more i test drive it the less i like it. If u can look past the amount of "car" u can get & if ur like me city drive, sometimes outstation, clock in many2 miles, traffic etc, this throttle is a pain to deal with. Often u hav a small window of opportunity to cut into a lane, say a roundabout, T junction, a hilly T junction whatever. Having to perform a ritual to get the car prepare for the cut maneuver is laughable. What if u hav a bad day, sleepy perhaps, a bad mood? abit drink or ur leg pain after a long hike. How often u see cars slow down for you to cut into their lane, at most they maintain their speed..worst they step on it. Its borderline dangerous. Clearly its not something Proton will ever address, as they hav put in a million man hours to get it right & this final version was approved. Nor do I appreciate early reviewers for overlooking this, which i think is on purpose..ahem nda. Which surely causes many to take a loan on this, without knowing fully what they r getting emself into, thus early reviewer failed to keep the public informed. For the past 2 weeks, in my self thought while hunting for a car to buy...there must be a catch to it being so cheap yet gives so much more than its rivals. Has the impossible happen? Has water turn into wine? Has a woman finally willingly pay for the first date? How can they Honda, Toyota compete? i thought. I mean i have my sus... But i dont see any car sifu validating my sus, until finally...i watched this video review. YES i fkin knew it Sure some s70 owner will dispute this & i dont blame them. Its 90k after all. I mean, my gf is the most beautiful woman in the world, who r they to tell me otherwise. Anyway if u reached this far into my rant essay & r left wondering what car i got in the end. Well its the Nissan Almera Kuro edition. & yes i know... I know... Dont need to say.. I tahu
To Proton...I would say this is another ugly face Proton after Proton Juara. Congrats! Oh I paused for a while to check...and was appalled to discover that the design was taken from Emgrand which was discontinued in 2014. I would conclude this model is not something Proton can be proud of as the latest design and technology...obviously it is just Geely's another run-of-the-mill business expansion.
Bought the s70 few weeks ago. Initially was opting for x70, but after test driving, s70 feels a lot sporty and less bouyancy feeling. And the wife really like the s70 handsomeness like her husband. We routinely do long distance travel every month and with 2 kids my trusty Persona lipas already feel cramped. Furthermore after 200,000km mileage i start to worry it might break down (though it hasnt, such realiable). The s70 driving position sits lower than all B segment car. The power is all time ready for you to use, and it doesnt feel any lack of power. Sure its not as fast as civic, but it definitely accelerate quicker than corolla and mazda 3. You can reach 180km/h in around 30-40 sec if you keep climbing. Handling is good but a bit on soft side, but if you turn to sports it made them better (though i dont think everyone will notice the different). S70 is good at handling corner sometimes its addicting. The combination of handling and power makes overtaking at high speed a very easy task. I think the seat are probably the most underated here. They are soft, supportive, doesnt feel hot after long distance, easy to clean and durable. Totally different feeling than x70 and x50. My kids always fall asleep in the back after coming home from school even though its short distance (5km). Driving on the road the car feel smooth and minimum body roll. It has similar feeling like driving honda accord 2017 and older. Suspension feels comfort if you drive leisurely and sporty if you feel like driving fast. While most Malaysian drive on the well maintained highway, my commute mostly involve Federal roads. S70 have no problem driving on the snakey long distance bumpy federal roads. I feel a lot safer to overtake in s70 compare to Persona. And fuel consumption is not bad too. I usually get around 7L/100km if i maintain my speed at 100kmh. That said, there are a few i wish can be change. Firstly the opening for rear bonet is a bit small. Its kind a hastle bcoz i usually brought few large bags and had to insert them in weird manner (sideway first). Secondly i can never get used to the gear changing routine. Sure it feels premium but as a car used for work, i sometimes park and mistakenly turn it off bcoz i mistakenly thought the ignition is the P button (they have similar feeling and almost similar size). And third, the tires that comes from the factory are the cheap ones. Sure its to cut cost, but not all people know everything about tires, and when the time comes to change tire, most owner opted to similar brand and size of tires, bcoz they think its the standard and necessary for the car. I think Proton should do referrence chart for owner to opt the best type and size of tires for the car owner to choose. It just feels the car has a lot more potential with wider tires. Overall i think the s70 is a very good car. If youre in the market to get a new car i definitely recomend you the s70. Reliability for Proton's (Geely's) car is very much guaranteed. I hardly see x70 or x50 broke down on the road. And in their cars group, they dont seem to be struggling on any issues. On that note, im sure s70 will be similar.
price tag below 100k with DCT transmission is value for money "seriously".. but hopefully s70 will get the TGDi engine like x50 Fs in future.. confirm berdezup weh.. hehe for those yang still sceptical on proton geely quality.. korang kena try & feel dulu.. baru demo kenal bare 😅 alhamdulillah da own x50 Fs for 3years & mileage da 80k km... tiada apa² major isu yg berlaku.. lastly, jangan dok PK sgt pasal RV sbb kita bukan beli keta hari ni esk nak jual.. layan akan aje.. 😅 jgn dgr other people thought.. live is to short man bila lg nk merasa keta ala² conti.. 😂 apa pun ukur baju dibadan sendiri..
S70 Flagship X owner here. One odd thing I noticed is that most of the vibrations that are experienced when the car is idle is eliminated when the A/C is switched off. As soon as the A/C is switched on again, the vibrations come back.
My theory in this matter would be, are the engine mountings. The engine mountings on the S70 are sufficient enough to absorb the 3 cylinder vibrations. But when an extra load kicks in such as the aircon compressor, it pressures the engine further and that's where the engine will have to work overtime to ensure the components work well, and all that = more vibrations which the engine mountings may not be able to handle after a certain period of time.
@@aakishkaushik that makes sense. another thing i noticed is that when the ac is on, the vibrations will creep into the cabin, and it happens sporadically instead of continuously, possibly when more pressure is placed on the engine
Why do many people stay away from this car in its first year of introduction to the market? To let others become its first guinea pig. Let Geely/Proton sort out most of the problems first. My hats to u, the pioneers, for taking the beating, u are our heroes. But they don't do that for Toyota n Honda. They complaint, the price was too high, mumbling furiously to the bank n signing the HP agreement.
Baru test drive s70 utk kali ke 2. Kali ini test di bukit sprt hafriz buat dlm video. Alhamdulillah smooth shj kereta tu bergerak ke depan. Tayar x spin mcm dlm video tu... Senang je kawal..
I took my friend's S70 Premium for a long drive through NKVE, DUKE, Janda Baik, Ulu Gombak and MRR2 recently for a good mix of slow backroads and highway runs with 4 of us in the car having a combined bodyweight total of around 370kgs. My opinions of this car: - you're right, there's hardly any steering feel from the EPS. Steering is extremely vague but steering response is adequately good. Flick the steering wheel and the nose follows, despite the lack of steering feel. Unlike the cars with hydraulic power steering e.g. Preve and Suprima, it's a bit harder to judge how much to load up the steering around tight bends when going at moderate speeds. - there's no low-speed juddering or jerkiness as you mentioned, but the throttle response is quite weird. It feels like there's a half-second delay between throttle input and the engine response, and it's not the turbo lag sort of lag. For instance, you start applying the throttle, there's a noticeable lag before the throttle body starts to open up, and feeling the engine spooling up. When going at a high speed, when you ease off the throttle, you can feel that slight half-second lag before the engine power is reduced. The Preve and Suprima, despite using a CVT, will translate pedal to engine rpm immediately. - gear shifts while on the go are smooth and when going through hilly and winding roads, the gearbox is fortunately quite willing to downshift without the need for planting the throttle down too much. Downshifts are accompanied with slightly more noticeable engine noise (e.g. there were some hilly winding stretches where it will downshift rapidly from 7th gear to 4th gear, to my surprise, with a quick spike in engine rpm making it carry speed and momentum through the corners quite well). - the brakes are horrible. At low speeds, it's very VERY hard to modulate the brake effectively. In stop-and-go traffic, the brake bite is very sudden and jarring. Almost like every jab on the brake is an emergency stop. Fortunately this excessive brake force application doesn't happen while on the go - fuel consumption wise, it's no different from the Preve and Suprima with the older and inferior CFE engines paired to Punch CVT gearboxes, which is a shame considering that this is supposed to be a superior powertrain. But, the fuel consumption is pretty good when you're doing steady driving between 70-90 km/h on trunk roads. The engine will gladly chug along at around 1700-1800 rpm in 7th gear at those speeds, and getting 15-16km/liter isn't impossible. But in stop-and-go traffic and while doing highway speeds of 110-120km/h, the fuel economy is merely comparable to its aforementioned predecessors. - Comfort-wise, it's seriously way more comfortable than the Preve and Suprima that came before it. There's not much road noise as what you spoke of though, perhaps because the Premium version runs on 205/55 R16 tyres with fatter sidewalls. But when it comes to moderate-speed runs through winding roads, it doesn't inspire as much confidence as the Preve and Suprima although it is pretty good. Certainly way better than any Perodua car, and better than the City and Vios. - when idling, you can feel a bit of the 3-pot imbalance seeping into the cabin. But it's when you're outside the car that it feels pretty off. The engine clatters like a diesel lump despite being MPI and not direct-injected (usually it's the DI engines that have a more pronounced clatter). Even Perodua's 3-cylinder engines don't clatter like that although you can hear the weird tempo of the exhaust pulses. I think overall, the S70 certainly needs more sound deadening and probably even more vibration-reduction measures for the engine bay. - The electronic gear shifter is an annoyance. 3-point turns and parallel parking become unnecessarily time-wasting chores. It doesn't shift unless you step on the brake while actuating the gear lever. And going from reverse to drive is an absolute hassle, what more when you have to do it at least twice when doing parallel parking and 3-point turns. If they want something fancy, a rotary knob or button-based shifter would be way better than this dumb electronic shifter.
when you drive more powerful car you will get use to the brakes. Idk for me la, maybe you have driven better cars that have none of these issues. But as far as I have tested, stronger braking system such as 4 calipers, having 4 or 6 pots brakes, it's sensitive
@@desmondsoo89 That's not called "sensitive". That's called borderline unusable at low speeds. There are plenty of proper cars that come from the manufacturer with 4-pot and 6-pot brakes that brake really well and can be modulated at low speeds as if they're daily-use brakes. Street-driven cars with brakes and throttle tuned as if they're meant for the tracks basically says that they're prepared by people with not much skills at tuning and modding.
just a tip for s70 owner who didnt like the throttle response..please just change to eco mode the throttle response will be much more smoother even though the power is reduced quite a bit.
wow.. a daring presentation by Hafriz this time.. This is what I like with Hafriz review. he will tell you the truth and unbiased when review a car. Even I am a proton fans and feel Hafriz review quite harsh this time around, I still can accept it. Yes, this proton S70 not that perfect but if you compare to the same price competitor like vios and city, this S70 much better equip (flagship and flagship x variant of course). thanks for the review again Hafriz. keep it up the good work.
I have test drive a car like Vios, Almera, for sedan, also couple of others SUV (B segment) like Omoda 5, HRV, WRV, Veloz in the pass few months. My opinion when comparing all the cars that I have test drive is with my current car, which is Myvi 2018. I'm looking more into comfort driving, an upgrade feature, better interior, electric brake and auto-hold is a must (you can agree or disagree with this, but this now become a trend), ADAS safety feature, better suspension, good resale value in future. With all that come into mind and also budget 100K, proton S70 give you a complete package with an affordable price, Almera engine is just 1.0L even it's a turbocharge engine, to me 1.0 is not an option, furthermore the interior design in Almera I feel not much different with my current Myvi. City I don't even bother to look as Honda always have minimum feature across their car range, while China car nowadays will give you abundant features and good looking design interior. Just my honest opinion, tho
I wish to highlight the issue of ergonomics & accessibility. There are no dedicated direct buttons for sport mode & 360 camera, which are weirdly accessible via the touchscreen infotainment. It could be dangerous to take your eyes off the road if u want to have more power & overtake. Parking in tight spaces can be annoying also (turning on 360 camera + double gear shift). The Alza feels perfect for accessing both sport mode (drive button on steering, & also simple gear flick for S-mode) and 360 camera on the move. Besides, the S70's aircon buttons look fancy but simple dials are more appropriate to adjust the temp/fan, and also the volume of the infotainment. Although Chinese cars are becoming buttonless (Tesla-oriented?) these days, we Malaysians prefer the convenience of having proper physical & accessible buttons and dials. VW & Volvo learned from these mistakes. Proton too, should learn from these mistakes.
2014 im want buy vios j spec 73k.. But my friend racun me spec and handling preve ,price that time 71k only.. So im buy preve.. Now i want trade in for s70 only get 12k.. Ayooo.. Vios J now still can get 3+k.. Now i knows why people still buy new vios ..
Better buy , yes Not for better fuel consumption, S70 FC rank lowest if compare to Vios or City, remember Malaysia Petro subsides confirm will lift off later. Unless u buy S70 will always run it on highway if not good luck 🤞 fot FC
Proton is a good car for fresh grads or interns. After you have driven other cars, one will not look back at it. Don't get me wrong I'm still keeping my first persona elegance as it handles really well. That's the only good point. The rest is shit 😂
Does this car has auto leveling headlamp? It still require manual leveling via knob? Knowing Malaysian, sure will put at the highest level and blinding other road user. This is especially dangerous with projector LED setup. JPJ should only approve auto leveling headlight with sensor for LED and HID lighting system which will also cater for unbalanced passenger load distribution (if more passenger at the back, light will slant upward), compensation will be made. I have had the unfortunate experience driving in the trunk roads in Malaysia, and I would say more than half of the LED/HID equipped car are blinding to the other road user which is one of the reason why accident statistic is higher in our beloved country.
Sales is low, probably because Malaysians already know, the first batches will be a little rough, Proton will slowly refine it with subsequent batches.
My sister is from Myvi 1st gen thinking of buying this car.. I think it will be a whole new world.. since I saw how advanced her bf Saga is compared to our 13 year old Myvi😂
Can anyone explain to me why is there no comparison between Proton S70 vs the New Nissan Almera? Both have turbocharger would make a closer competition no?
Technically yes, but unfortunately hardly anyone even thinks of the Almera anymore. Only around 150 units were sold each month in Malaysia last year, compared to more than 10 times that for both the Vios and City.
@@hafrizshah4937 ahh I see. Makes sense I guess. Pity, the new Almera is a good looking car too. And as shown in the ownership costs table, significantly less to own across 5 years/100k km. An underdog indeed in the b segment.
@@snmrzto me, the Almera's ride and handling is slightly better than both the City and Vios, but the S70 is still leagues ahead. Same with performance. And the Nissan's 3-pot vibration is far worse still.
1) setuju part throttle response tu. aku dah agak ni tak normal! flat road xjadi masalah. bila stop kt bukit skit je. confirm tayar spin kalau tak reti control pedal mnyak. proton tolong tune semula!
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I am sure protons nowadays are great cars, but when it comes to service…. The level of service is dreadful!, I bought an X70 3 years ago and never once were they able to completely fix problems!.
Hey guys, for those who intend to keep this car long term, say 10+ years, is it doable given that so many functions of the car rely on the infotainment system? 10+ years is a lifetime in the IT world...
S70 flagship owner here. I do like to add some more context to the smart boot operation. I believe is the additional weight of the spoiler that cause the boot to not open fully. For my car (without spoiler). The smart boot function will open fully, not halfway like what was shown in the video. I think this is an oversight from Proton and also a reminder to those who are considering to add on aftermarket spoiler.
But the price of a new altis is way too much for most people to buy. Altis looks good but the asking price doesn't justify it. Perhaps buying 2nd ones from Toyota won't be a bad idea.
Alot of complains & arguments but the price is stated clearly. Other than that its very simple, return to the original Emgrand spec. Then u know why theres the feeling 'try hard' & 'good efforts' by Proton engineers. Yeah, its not perfect just like other Japan brand made in Indonesia or Thailand. Just test drive all cars before buying.
S70 user here with 2.5k km clocked in both long distance highway drive and city driving. Heres some thing i want to point out, not exactly as an agreement or disagreement towards the vid but more of a different point of view. 1) in this video there's a lengthy explanation about the lack of transmission refinement especially under 10km/h speed. It was interesting for me to watch it as I've always thought of it as a feature instead of flaw. There's definitely a learning curve on how to 'start moving' the car and honestly its pretty easy and seamless process. I've pretty much got used to it within 1-2 days of owning it. I've always thought the 'jerkiness' came from the sudden handover from parking autohold feature onto the 1st gear, and by gently pressing the pedal(which I've always assumed to notify the autohold to disengage) and wait a second or so before pressing the pedal again, the car will start rolling smoothly. By doing it this way the car felt very compliant and predictable hence I never thought of it as an issue. Ultimately I think this is more of a 'use me like this' type of issue rather than 'I'm faulty' kind. 2) The lack of Android Auto/Apple Carplay is not as huge as you think. you need to use it long enough to discover the real synergy between map and the car as a whole. After gotten used to the S70 ecosystem, I would say that if in the future I upgraded to a car with AAAC, it will be a side grade at most and definitely not a clear cut upgrade. There's 3 aspect the baked in map did better than AAAC, first, you can send the map to the driver screen and greatly reduce the eye strain from going back and forth between IHU and road. Once I got used to it it felt so natural and going back to using mirrored screen for waze felt like a step back technologically. Second it has a very accurate lane diagram which is very helpful when ure at the heart of KL or in a completely foreign city with confusing and branching road. Third is the fact that you basically can manipulate the map without disturbing the navigation on driver screen which is a big thing in reality since your partner can do adjustment like adding stop, zooming out to check traffic and double checking the destination without messing with navigation especially when you're not on a standstill and you do not want to miss any exits. And dont get me started on Spotify. The 'dual device one account' approach makes so much sense actually. My partner can now manipulate spotify both from her phone AND from the IHU. We both have equal control of Spotify playlist, songs to play next etc. and best of all the phone is completely free. Not connected by cable or even Bluetooth. It just...works. after all, it is a fully baked Spotify app inside the IHU, just like how it is in the phone.
1. You're not wrong. DCT as the name implies is a gearbox with clutch like a manual, except there's computer and stuff that's doing the clutching work for you. Ideally it's best you let them do the work for the first few seconds, then after it is fully fully engaged, starts to creep a little, then you can press the gas pedal gently onwards.
Obviously you never run AA AC before ...kakakaka Waze mirroring? Send directions to driver screen? What cheapo HU you have before this? Android HU is not same as AA.. sheesh
Yes, you can and eventually will get used to the throttle. My question is, why should you have to? Practically no other car with a turbo and DCT behaves in this peculiar manner. Having to drive a very specific way just so it behaves like a normal car should not be accepted as a character quirk - that's just bad calibration. As for AACP, to me it's an essential feature. The native map is hopeless for actual routing, however well it's presented on screen.
hahahah. nothing make sense on your long essay. buy automatic car to learn it like driving manual car? if it is 50k car then i’ll buy it tomorrow. anyway the seat is not that comfortable la. don’t bluff unless you upgrade from axia bro. aa/ac missing? dissapointing. anyway consumer have an option now. which is good.
Guys the premium is the one to go for petrol head. Especially if you just jump from cars without adas. Imagine having a fast car without all unecessary features. It would save you 10k just for that. Proton is trying to let all walks of life to enjoy the power and ride and handling of a car. Its an offer of a lifetime. Grabsbefore proton change their mind.
Proton will keep offering AEB safety for the top variant, it is their tactic. If I were a business man hungry for more profits, I want my customers to buy the top variant to give me the most cash. No government body is gonna shut my business down. So why I care huh?
I feel like for this segment (Vios vs S70 vs City) these cars are competing to see who has the stupidest stuff that's bad enough, to ensure it does NOT get purchased. 😒 Some issues in each are deal breakers. Vios without a bloody spare tire, S70 with no backseat leg room and the City with a trash infotainment system. 💆🏽♂️💆🏽♂️💆🏽♂️💆🏽♂️💆🏽♂️ 🤡
I tried to be optimistic when driving my friend's S70 but having driven many previous "new age" protons, time and time again they somehow still manage to not prove me wrong. It's still a shit car with a reasonably good facade. The vibrations were annoyingly apparent, even more so than the X50. Until proton wakes up from their coma and put a 4 cylinder in front that won't break down, then and only then will they even begin to produce competitive cars. Proton, your cars are now starting to look good but please stop using that good for nothing 3 cyinder and switch to a 4 cylinder. Have some damn sense and listen to what people are mainly complaining about.
My only gripe with this car is having the drive mode and sunroof control to be in the infotainment. Almost all car have a dedicated physical button for driving mode, and having to swipe down on the screen and tap on it, if you get lucky for it to click once, is not practical. It won't cost a lot to have a physical button for it by swapping the control on the center console, or even on the steering wheel. Any simple control being integrated into the infotainment is quite a bad move. Other than that, I think all of the complaint is negligible like physical button lock/unlock door handle, given the price it offers to me.
A port injected turbo engine will not have the engine response like a direct injected turbo .This engine should be tuned with lower top power maybe 140hp max for a 1.5 and it will have much better low speed responds. Proton tend to favor high top power rather than good torque spread which is where 90% of driving takes place. Proton cannot make it too refine as it will eat into their more expensive offering. Its typical of all car makers. Most importantly a ported turbo engine will have a much cheaper maintenance cost and higher reliability.
Hey can any1 explain to a non-car guy like me why the premium model isnt a good option? Im looking to upgrade from a Myvi, so anything looks better than what i already have. Is ADAS necessary if i dont use it to begin with?
I've been driving Preve Turbo since it's launch...the throttle response is so bad I suspect it has given me anxiety for years now as I always feel like I'm slow to respond to green lights or hogging up the line in a jam. How does the throttle response compare to Preve? My Saga FLX (yes still good) feels better to drive than my Preve!
Proton promised Android Auto and Apple Carplay for their X70 and X50 during launch. Its been 4 years now, can anyone with those models confirmed whether Proton kept their promise or not?
Proton offers world-class after-sales service in service and maintenance of its cars at its and dealer's workshops. Can it still continue to provide world-class services with a very sudden surge and great increase in sales of its S70 model cars with the same number of workers and equipment at the workshops ? This can be very good for sales but can create very serious workload all of a sudden for its workers at the same time.
Hafiz is one of d few reviewers pointed out the transmission miscalibration! Honest review!
More like, knowlegable reviewer
It's not about being honest or not. It's more on knowledge & experiences with the reviewers itself.
Can they detect the positive & negative points meticulously or not.
because he have proton x50 which technically use same engine ( his x50 use tgdi tho) and same gearbox, he will notice the differences.
Finally the much waited review from hafriz
I bought a S70. Been driving it for two weeks. I have not noticed or felt any intrusive vibrations. On the contrary, I find the drive smooth and comfortable. Granted, the throttle response needs a bit of getting used to but nothing too dramatic. Another thing I fail to understand is this obsession with soft and hard plastic. Plastic is plastic. I did not buy the car with the intention of groping it. The cabin is comfortable and that works just fine for me. I have not noticed the rattling seatbelt either. Perhaps I just have a higher tolerance for annoying things and less attractive key fobs. My decision to buy a Proton was somewhat a leap of faith. Perhaps it stems from an inherent bias or perhaps it is their fault for producing inferior cars - be it real or perceived - compared to other manufacturers. My first car was a Wira and it did not give me sleepless nights. I also owned a Ford Ranger for several years but never once took it off road or ferried heavy loads which it was designed for. I paid for parts and tech which I never utilised. Though it was "built tough", I avoided potholes and puddles let alone flooded roads because I was concerned that it would damage the truck or paint. I have to admit that I purchased it simply because it looked big and intimidating . Nothing more than an expensive testosterone booster. So I wised up and downgraded to a more practical Honda City (which incidentally had paddle shifters that I never used either). Both served me well but not without their fair share of problems, squeaks and rattles. I am practical enough to expect some hiccups with the S70 as I would with any other car that is just one of tens of thousands rolling out of an assembly line but I am keeping my fingers crossed that there will be no major problems. But Google any car brand together with the word "problems" and none are spared. For example, Google tells me that "common problems" for Rolls Royce are "water leaks, suspension issues and engine mounts" among others.
Thank you for this. I'm considering the s70 and was wondering if it's as bad as this video says it is.
Your comment levels things out.
It's an indicator of how much manufacturer is willing to make the cabin nice.
Tggu duit deposit
Tq2
Nice try justifying your purchase 😂
Well I have to somewhat agree to disagree with Hafriz.. Clocked in 1.5km with my S70 Flagship.. I’m coming from a City GM6.. 1st time with a 3 cyc engine.. Still need to get used to it.. And yes hafriz, you can actually feel a slight vibration if you really pay attention to notice it.. Especially when it’s idle, with aircon on.. But it’s not an irritating or a major vibration, where at most times, you won’t actually notice it.. I guess it’s because of the 3 cyc engine character and also the price point of this car.. Maybe in terms of costing, they can’t really soundproof it to the level of an Altis.. S70 maybe positioned as a C-segment, but we all know Malaysians purchase a car based on their price point and not the segment.. And in terms of the gearbox calibration with the engine, yes the turbo lag is quite obvious and the pickup, when the car moves from a standstill, you may feel that it is abit off, with a sudden jolt.. For me it’s my first time using a turbocharged vehicle, since I’m coming from a NA.. so I need some time getting used to the way this gearbox is tuned.. I chose S70 rather than upgrading to the new City is because I had a bad experience with Honda’s CVT.. Stopped being a fan of CVT’s.. That’s why I decided to go with S70.. For me it’s the price point.. It’s really a good bargain with a price tag below 100k, for a turbocharged 1.5 and a DCT gearbox.. If we keep a high expectation in our mind and start comparing, or finding fault, then yes we will be let down.. Proton is still in its recovery, but yet they managed to bring in and add their own touch to these cars, with a competitive price point in the market.. It’s a value for money car.. For me, it’s simple, if I can afford a 200k car, of course I wouldn’t be considering a S70.. But I am only able to afford a car below the 100k price point, and I chose S70, which has a great price point to go along with its features.. No regrets here, as I’m a person who can’t afford to change car every 5 years.. Kudos to you for being transparent and honest in this review.. For the vibration issue, an additional soundproofing and the matter can be resolved, for the gearbox calibration, a little tuning might improve it abit, but only after the warranty period is over..
How is the fuel consumption?
The issue is cars keep getting bigger making the segmentation less relevant but coming down more to specs & marketing.
Shouldn't be an issue if the price stay true to the segment, wich is B. After all, people buying car based on price and features instead of segment.
I am a honda city owner for 8 years, and my family own a almera too. I think i am wuite qualified to give comment when you compare s70 with city and almera.
Fuel consumption honda and almera win. Second hand value, Japan car win. When i said jaoan car second hand value is higher , its means its durability is higher. My honda city millage 160k, 8 years car, today still can sell at 32k. Which means its durability is high even after 8 years, otherwise market wont buy it
And the last is after sales service, Japan car win.
Other than these 3 factor, i personally think s70 still win. That's why i am seeling my city and taking in s70. Expext next month delivery.
Add on comments:
I have try test drive quite many time. Don't feel any 3 cylinder vibration as the internet said. May be it's still new. Besides, my wife is owing an axia, which is 3 cylinder engine too. 7 years already, no problems at all. My friends own a proton x50, 3 cylinder engine as well. Tak ada masalah juga. I guess it's all depend on how you handling, how you take care. Last, technology now is improving. 3 cylinders engine today is different with those engine at kancil era.
Remember, the car you have test driven may be slightly different than the unit you get. Test drives unit tend to have some "enhancement" such as better speakers, extra sound insulation etc. Just sayin.
Agree also the concern on after sales service for proton, hope they improved.
@@HotRod16 where you get this type of rumours that test drive car is more "enhanced"?
@@user-xiAobudianout of his ass.
@@user-xiAobudian now that's just plain accusation
You are smart.
Selling old city which has high resale value to get this s70, which is really value for money & has far more techs compared to your old car.
With the 30k DP & loan another 60k for the flagship variant, should be ok for monthly payments.
Been driving my dad’s old 2007 Camry since I started my first job in 2018. Am doing my research to buy my first car and test drove an S70 last week. My feedback :
1) The vibration is noticeable when its idling (Maybe im used to my Camry being quiet)
2) Tyre noise is quite loud
3) Throttle response is quite good
4) Interior looks great to my liking
5) Wished it had Apple Car Play though
Ur current ride is better even though it is much older!
as a myvi 3rd gen facelift user, i will consider S70 and Honda City and definitely no vios (because the new vios same as my myvi.. same engine and same DCVT but different concept so why do i need same workhorse?? Haha). Will considering both for a new sedan
Nonono I’m a x50 premium owner which used the same mpi engine I think the driving experience about the jerky gearbox, the throttle paddle, the vibration during low speeds are all apparent here but absent in the tgdi engine. I’ve driven the tgdi engine it feel smoother compared to the mpi one, and maybe due to less torque it vibrates more because it always refuses to downshift. I think the gearbox mapping is more tuned for the tgdi version instead of the mpi one. Proton should have 2 different gearbox mapping for the tgdi and mpi version.
So all those testing of million km and all...what da heck where the test team doing then with that much wrong in the calibrations?? how did they pass these tests?
That's because they asked themselves, and they responded answering to themselves. 😅
When developing the CFE powertrain, Proton also evaluated Mitsubishi and Hyundai torque converter autos alongside the Punch CVT... and ended up settling for the CVT to go with their CFE engine. Go figure. Proton's millions of kms and thousands of man-hours of testing don't mean much, as we've seen over the years. Millions of km testing and they didn't notice the the OCH was a design flaw? Similarly, with the S70, I'm pretty sure they've overlooked many areas as well despite the millions of km and thousands of man-hours.
Proton is progressing eventhough at a snail's pace in terms of sedan segment. Hope it will do well for all the efforts of the Chinese to turn the company around.
What kind of window tint this car is using.. I noticed the service fee of almera is another level
The review tries to cover enough ground to meet what many drivers would be interested in. His presentation sounds labored and feels like he is reading. He presents both fact and opinion in equal tone which can be confusing.
The car? What he said.
Like with any car, find a mechanic that is knowledgeable about the car and won't overcharge you. During and after warranty. Stick with the guy because he can take care of it while you focus on driving it.
i'll pick S70 right away erday over city n vios...it drives more like conti at least the feel is there... i also experience S70 drives like a proper bigger C segment sedan rather than compact like city n vios... on sport mode, S70 can tapau both cars even altis on the road in no time also will less engine noise unlike dramatic (gasping for air) like city n vios... it does feels quick than the rest mentioned cars...as for me Civic is the number 1 for performance and followed closly by S70...
Proton supporters will hate you for this bro 😂
Hahaha LOL 😊😂
It should be in B segment and reduce 10k every segment. It will sell like hot cake. 😊
Its geely emgrand?
Saya pun Jadi Tawar Hati untuk beli S70. Bt masa skrg
Why didn’t review with Nissan almera turbo, is it not worth to compare with ?
my boyfriend singaporean choose this s70 than vios dnga this s70 look hansdsome not bad features of s70 good
I still miss the Proton ventures with Mitsubishi
proton should learn only the engine and other techs since the looks of Preve seems till now are relevant
At your recommendation, I decide for Toyota
Sure the car has issues, yes, but it would be justified by the price to be honest. I wouldn't expect a sedan below RM10,000 to have quality like a Mercedes.
@14:04 Can't unsee the gap of the drawer.
Yes yes the throttle is totally wonky finally a review that looks into this seriously.
Like many others, my first impression + short test drive i was blown away, i can get this much for under 100k? Man why would any1 consider other B segment cars at this price point i thought. Thank god, i did not jump the gun & diligently test drive every single B seg cars, as long its within my 100k budget
However for proton, the more i test drive it the less i like it. If u can look past the amount of "car" u can get & if ur like me city drive, sometimes outstation, clock in many2 miles, traffic etc, this throttle is a pain to deal with.
Often u hav a small window of opportunity to cut into a lane, say a roundabout, T junction, a hilly T junction whatever. Having to perform a ritual to get the car prepare for the cut maneuver is laughable. What if u hav a bad day, sleepy perhaps, a bad mood? abit drink or ur leg pain after a long hike. How often u see cars slow down for you to cut into their lane, at most they maintain their speed..worst they step on it. Its borderline dangerous.
Clearly its not something Proton will ever address, as they hav put in a million man hours to get it right & this final version was approved. Nor do I appreciate early reviewers for overlooking this, which i think is on purpose..ahem nda. Which surely causes many to take a loan on this, without knowing fully what they r getting emself into, thus early reviewer failed to keep the public informed.
For the past 2 weeks, in my self thought while hunting for a car to buy...there must be a catch to it being so cheap yet gives so much more than its rivals. Has the impossible happen? Has water turn into wine? Has a woman finally willingly pay for the first date? How can they Honda, Toyota compete? i thought. I mean i have my sus... But i dont see any car sifu validating my sus, until finally...i watched this video review. YES i fkin knew it
Sure some s70 owner will dispute this & i dont blame them. Its 90k after all. I mean, my gf is the most beautiful woman in the world, who r they to tell me otherwise.
Anyway if u reached this far into my rant essay & r left wondering what car i got in the end. Well its the Nissan Almera Kuro edition. & yes i know... I know... Dont need to say.. I tahu
Agree
Kreta ni nmpk cantik dlm gambar/video sja. Live not so.. sorry to say
Cannibalises Persona and Saga sales. Should rebrand Proton as Geely.
Damn this review almost 1 hour 😂
Sound like does not worth the 90k its asking for.
If this is not worth 80k/90ks then I don't know how Perodua Vios can be justified with its 90k price tag.
Absolutely rip off!
51:15 lmao
Why the review has to be close to an hour long?
*insert the first time meme gif
Because they can 😂
To challenge himself as we all should
Hafriz, tolong kurangkan berat badan awak!
Design 1990 style 😅
To Proton...I would say this is another ugly face Proton after Proton Juara. Congrats!
Oh I paused for a while to check...and was appalled to discover that the design was taken from Emgrand which was discontinued in 2014. I would conclude this model is not something Proton can be proud of as the latest design and technology...obviously it is just Geely's another run-of-the-mill business expansion.
Bought the s70 few weeks ago. Initially was opting for x70, but after test driving, s70 feels a lot sporty and less bouyancy feeling. And the wife really like the s70 handsomeness like her husband. We routinely do long distance travel every month and with 2 kids my trusty Persona lipas already feel cramped. Furthermore after 200,000km mileage i start to worry it might break down (though it hasnt, such realiable).
The s70 driving position sits lower than all B segment car. The power is all time ready for you to use, and it doesnt feel any lack of power. Sure its not as fast as civic, but it definitely accelerate quicker than corolla and mazda 3. You can reach 180km/h in around 30-40 sec if you keep climbing. Handling is good but a bit on soft side, but if you turn to sports it made them better (though i dont think everyone will notice the different). S70 is good at handling corner sometimes its addicting. The combination of handling and power makes overtaking at high speed a very easy task.
I think the seat are probably the most underated here. They are soft, supportive, doesnt feel hot after long distance, easy to clean and durable. Totally different feeling than x70 and x50. My kids always fall asleep in the back after coming home from school even though its short distance (5km). Driving on the road the car feel smooth and minimum body roll. It has similar feeling like driving honda accord 2017 and older. Suspension feels comfort if you drive leisurely and sporty if you feel like driving fast.
While most Malaysian drive on the well maintained highway, my commute mostly involve Federal roads. S70 have no problem driving on the snakey long distance bumpy federal roads. I feel a lot safer to overtake in s70 compare to Persona. And fuel consumption is not bad too. I usually get around 7L/100km if i maintain my speed at 100kmh.
That said, there are a few i wish can be change. Firstly the opening for rear bonet is a bit small. Its kind a hastle bcoz i usually brought few large bags and had to insert them in weird manner (sideway first). Secondly i can never get used to the gear changing routine. Sure it feels premium but as a car used for work, i sometimes park and mistakenly turn it off bcoz i mistakenly thought the ignition is the P button (they have similar feeling and almost similar size). And third, the tires that comes from the factory are the cheap ones. Sure its to cut cost, but not all people know everything about tires, and when the time comes to change tire, most owner opted to similar brand and size of tires, bcoz they think its the standard and necessary for the car. I think Proton should do referrence chart for owner to opt the best type and size of tires for the car owner to choose. It just feels the car has a lot more potential with wider tires.
Overall i think the s70 is a very good car. If youre in the market to get a new car i definitely recomend you the s70. Reliability for Proton's (Geely's) car is very much guaranteed. I hardly see x70 or x50 broke down on the road. And in their cars group, they dont seem to be struggling on any issues. On that note, im sure s70 will be similar.
price tag below 100k with DCT transmission is value for money "seriously".. but hopefully s70 will get the TGDi engine like x50 Fs in future.. confirm berdezup weh.. hehe for those yang still sceptical on proton geely quality.. korang kena try & feel dulu.. baru demo kenal bare 😅 alhamdulillah da own x50 Fs for 3years & mileage da 80k km... tiada apa² major isu yg berlaku..
lastly, jangan dok PK sgt pasal RV sbb kita bukan beli keta hari ni esk nak jual.. layan akan aje.. 😅 jgn dgr other people thought.. live is to short man bila lg nk merasa keta ala² conti.. 😂
apa pun ukur baju dibadan sendiri..
Yup kualiti to price ratio mmg berbaloi.. feel solid too
S70 Flagship X owner here. One odd thing I noticed is that most of the vibrations that are experienced when the car is idle is eliminated when the A/C is switched off. As soon as the A/C is switched on again, the vibrations come back.
Vibration from aircond fan?
@@lawrencekhoo503 that’s what i noticed, but can’t say for sure that the vibration noise is from the aircon.
My theory in this matter would be, are the engine mountings.
The engine mountings on the S70 are sufficient enough to absorb the 3 cylinder vibrations. But when an extra load kicks in such as the aircon compressor, it pressures the engine further and that's where the engine will have to work overtime to ensure the components work well, and all that = more vibrations which the engine mountings may not be able to handle after a certain period of time.
@@aakishkaushik that makes sense. another thing i noticed is that when the ac is on, the vibrations will creep into the cabin, and it happens sporadically instead of continuously, possibly when more pressure is placed on the engine
Yah same goes to me. And then now i notice some noise from the engine. When i ask them they say everything is normal.
I don't think S70 using MPI engine is a downgrade, in fact it is much affordable in term of maintenance compare to TGDi engine..
Nak murah pakai na
Tgdi power
Mpi turbo soft turbo
Na paling murah maintenance
Setuju...
but flagship x suppose for those can afford higher maintenance.
Why do many people stay away from this car in its first year of introduction to the market? To let others become its first guinea pig. Let Geely/Proton sort out most of the problems first. My hats to u, the pioneers, for taking the beating, u are our heroes. But they don't do that for Toyota n Honda. They complaint, the price was too high, mumbling furiously to the bank n signing the HP agreement.
Baru test drive s70 utk kali ke 2. Kali ini test di bukit sprt hafriz buat dlm video. Alhamdulillah smooth shj kereta tu bergerak ke depan. Tayar x spin mcm dlm video tu... Senang je kawal..
I took my friend's S70 Premium for a long drive through NKVE, DUKE, Janda Baik, Ulu Gombak and MRR2 recently for a good mix of slow backroads and highway runs with 4 of us in the car having a combined bodyweight total of around 370kgs. My opinions of this car:
- you're right, there's hardly any steering feel from the EPS. Steering is extremely vague but steering response is adequately good. Flick the steering wheel and the nose follows, despite the lack of steering feel. Unlike the cars with hydraulic power steering e.g. Preve and Suprima, it's a bit harder to judge how much to load up the steering around tight bends when going at moderate speeds.
- there's no low-speed juddering or jerkiness as you mentioned, but the throttle response is quite weird. It feels like there's a half-second delay between throttle input and the engine response, and it's not the turbo lag sort of lag. For instance, you start applying the throttle, there's a noticeable lag before the throttle body starts to open up, and feeling the engine spooling up. When going at a high speed, when you ease off the throttle, you can feel that slight half-second lag before the engine power is reduced. The Preve and Suprima, despite using a CVT, will translate pedal to engine rpm immediately.
- gear shifts while on the go are smooth and when going through hilly and winding roads, the gearbox is fortunately quite willing to downshift without the need for planting the throttle down too much. Downshifts are accompanied with slightly more noticeable engine noise (e.g. there were some hilly winding stretches where it will downshift rapidly from 7th gear to 4th gear, to my surprise, with a quick spike in engine rpm making it carry speed and momentum through the corners quite well).
- the brakes are horrible. At low speeds, it's very VERY hard to modulate the brake effectively. In stop-and-go traffic, the brake bite is very sudden and jarring. Almost like every jab on the brake is an emergency stop. Fortunately this excessive brake force application doesn't happen while on the go
- fuel consumption wise, it's no different from the Preve and Suprima with the older and inferior CFE engines paired to Punch CVT gearboxes, which is a shame considering that this is supposed to be a superior powertrain. But, the fuel consumption is pretty good when you're doing steady driving between 70-90 km/h on trunk roads. The engine will gladly chug along at around 1700-1800 rpm in 7th gear at those speeds, and getting 15-16km/liter isn't impossible. But in stop-and-go traffic and while doing highway speeds of 110-120km/h, the fuel economy is merely comparable to its aforementioned predecessors.
- Comfort-wise, it's seriously way more comfortable than the Preve and Suprima that came before it. There's not much road noise as what you spoke of though, perhaps because the Premium version runs on 205/55 R16 tyres with fatter sidewalls. But when it comes to moderate-speed runs through winding roads, it doesn't inspire as much confidence as the Preve and Suprima although it is pretty good. Certainly way better than any Perodua car, and better than the City and Vios.
- when idling, you can feel a bit of the 3-pot imbalance seeping into the cabin. But it's when you're outside the car that it feels pretty off. The engine clatters like a diesel lump despite being MPI and not direct-injected (usually it's the DI engines that have a more pronounced clatter). Even Perodua's 3-cylinder engines don't clatter like that although you can hear the weird tempo of the exhaust pulses. I think overall, the S70 certainly needs more sound deadening and probably even more vibration-reduction measures for the engine bay.
- The electronic gear shifter is an annoyance. 3-point turns and parallel parking become unnecessarily time-wasting chores. It doesn't shift unless you step on the brake while actuating the gear lever. And going from reverse to drive is an absolute hassle, what more when you have to do it at least twice when doing parallel parking and 3-point turns. If they want something fancy, a rotary knob or button-based shifter would be way better than this dumb electronic shifter.
Those are noteworthy comments, thanks
Good review..
After reading..s70 a no go for me
when you drive more powerful car you will get use to the brakes. Idk for me la, maybe you have driven better cars that have none of these issues. But as far as I have tested, stronger braking system such as 4 calipers, having 4 or 6 pots brakes, it's sensitive
@@desmondsoo89 That's not called "sensitive". That's called borderline unusable at low speeds. There are plenty of proper cars that come from the manufacturer with 4-pot and 6-pot brakes that brake really well and can be modulated at low speeds as if they're daily-use brakes. Street-driven cars with brakes and throttle tuned as if they're meant for the tracks basically says that they're prepared by people with not much skills at tuning and modding.
@@jswong8200 what do you drive daily?
just a tip for s70 owner who didnt like the throttle response..please just change to eco mode the throttle response will be much more smoother even though the power is reduced quite a bit.
Dont really care about the segments whatnot. My measuring stick is always the pricetag.
Hafriz grill Proton so aggressively in this video, but I guess it's a win to consumers, we need someone to bring pressure to Proton 😂
Except the Hafriz's version of S70 will cost between RM 100k to RM 150k.😂
@@teofilol2666agree. If u want all the upgrade, just prep ur money or in simple term, go buy more expensive car.
A 53 minutes car review??
That's a first!!
Not really
meaning for really interested in s70 to watch
the 'segment'ation of car has no real basis of reference. its just annoying.
Agree 💯
who assign one
wow.. a daring presentation by Hafriz this time.. This is what I like with Hafriz review. he will tell you the truth and unbiased when review a car. Even I am a proton fans and feel Hafriz review quite harsh this time around, I still can accept it. Yes, this proton S70 not that perfect but if you compare to the same price competitor like vios and city, this S70 much better equip (flagship and flagship x variant of course). thanks for the review again Hafriz. keep it up the good work.
I have test drive a car like Vios, Almera, for sedan, also couple of others SUV (B segment) like Omoda 5, HRV, WRV, Veloz in the pass few months. My opinion when comparing all the cars that I have test drive is with my current car, which is Myvi 2018. I'm looking more into comfort driving, an upgrade feature, better interior, electric brake and auto-hold is a must (you can agree or disagree with this, but this now become a trend), ADAS safety feature, better suspension, good resale value in future. With all that come into mind and also budget 100K, proton S70 give you a complete package with an affordable price, Almera engine is just 1.0L even it's a turbocharge engine, to me 1.0 is not an option, furthermore the interior design in Almera I feel not much different with my current Myvi. City I don't even bother to look as Honda always have minimum feature across their car range, while China car nowadays will give you abundant features and good looking design interior.
Just my honest opinion, tho
I wish to highlight the issue of ergonomics & accessibility. There are no dedicated direct buttons for sport mode & 360 camera, which are weirdly accessible via the touchscreen infotainment. It could be dangerous to take your eyes off the road if u want to have more power & overtake. Parking in tight spaces can be annoying also (turning on 360 camera + double gear shift). The Alza feels perfect for accessing both sport mode (drive button on steering, & also simple gear flick for S-mode) and 360 camera on the move. Besides, the S70's aircon buttons look fancy but simple dials are more appropriate to adjust the temp/fan, and also the volume of the infotainment.
Although Chinese cars are becoming buttonless (Tesla-oriented?) these days, we Malaysians prefer the convenience of having proper physical & accessible buttons and dials. VW & Volvo learned from these mistakes. Proton too, should learn from these mistakes.
Been waiting for this full review. Thanks hafriz. Very insightful and honest.
2014 im want buy vios j spec 73k.. But my friend racun me spec and handling preve ,price that time 71k only.. So im buy preve.. Now i want trade in for s70 only get 12k.. Ayooo.. Vios J now still can get 3+k.. Now i knows why people still buy new vios ..
Better buy , yes
Not for better fuel consumption, S70 FC rank lowest if compare to Vios or City, remember Malaysia Petro subsides confirm will lift off later. Unless u buy S70 will always run it on highway if not good luck 🤞 fot FC
Hafiz, great comprehensive + unbiased review. kipidap
Damn I can’t believe there’s a first s70 accident out there before the paultan review
This car feels bloaty when driving over 110kmh. Not really a fun car when it comes to handling.
Proton is a good car for fresh grads or interns. After you have driven other cars, one will not look back at it. Don't get me wrong I'm still keeping my first persona elegance as it handles really well. That's the only good point. The rest is shit 😂
Does this car has auto leveling headlamp? It still require manual leveling via knob? Knowing Malaysian, sure will put at the highest level and blinding other road user. This is especially dangerous with projector LED setup. JPJ should only approve auto leveling headlight with sensor for LED and HID lighting system which will also cater for unbalanced passenger load distribution (if more passenger at the back, light will slant upward), compensation will be made. I have had the unfortunate experience driving in the trunk roads in Malaysia, and I would say more than half of the LED/HID equipped car are blinding to the other road user which is one of the reason why accident statistic is higher in our beloved country.
Don't like the sound of sunroof shade knocking the front part? Close it slowly then. 🤷♂
Sales is low, probably because Malaysians already know, the first batches will be a little rough, Proton will slowly refine it with subsequent batches.
I guess if someone is upgrading from a Perodua Axia, this will be like a whole new world lah
My sister is from Myvi 1st gen thinking of buying this car.. I think it will be a whole new world.. since I saw how advanced her bf Saga is compared to our 13 year old Myvi😂
Tyre triplemax 2 memang bising.. saya pakai dekat axia 2023
Can anyone explain to me why is there no comparison between Proton S70 vs the New Nissan Almera? Both have turbocharger would make a closer competition no?
Technically yes, but unfortunately hardly anyone even thinks of the Almera anymore. Only around 150 units were sold each month in Malaysia last year, compared to more than 10 times that for both the Vios and City.
@@hafrizshah4937probably due to its high pricing, questionable after sales service, and no level 2 adas system
@@hafrizshah4937 ahh I see. Makes sense I guess. Pity, the new Almera is a good looking car too. And as shown in the ownership costs table, significantly less to own across 5 years/100k km. An underdog indeed in the b segment.
@@hafrizshah4937 still, I am interested in your take between the Almera T vs S70
@@snmrzto me, the Almera's ride and handling is slightly better than both the City and Vios, but the S70 is still leagues ahead. Same with performance. And the Nissan's 3-pot vibration is far worse still.
1) setuju part throttle response tu. aku dah agak ni tak normal! flat road xjadi masalah. bila stop kt bukit skit je. confirm tayar spin kalau tak reti control pedal mnyak. proton tolong tune semula!
Boleh try pakai eco mode..aku pun mula2 bawak mmg slalu spin tayar walaupun tekan sikit je pedal minyak..last tukar eco mode bru rasa smooth sikit✌️
@@faizpakoh mmg tgh pkai eco dah. tp leceh sbb asyik lupa nk set bila start enjin
@@crazyhellfirez tapi skang bila mileage dah 1k lebih makin smooth dh throttle pakai comfort pun ok dah..mungkin baru2 part enjin ketat lagi🤣
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I am sure protons nowadays are great cars, but when it comes to service…. The level of service is dreadful!, I bought an X70 3 years ago and never once were they able to completely fix problems!.
Agree Hafiz.👍90k is already a little too much for a proton 😅
yes. local car maaaaa😂
Hey guys, for those who intend to keep this car long term, say 10+ years, is it doable given that so many functions of the car rely on the infotainment system? 10+ years is a lifetime in the IT world...
if someone had too many anoyed and complaint about S70, strictly just buy a BMW
S70 flagship owner here. I do like to add some more context to the smart boot operation.
I believe is the additional weight of the spoiler that cause the boot to not open fully. For my car (without spoiler). The smart boot function will open fully, not halfway like what was shown in the video.
I think this is an oversight from Proton and also a reminder to those who are considering to add on aftermarket spoiler.
hafiz forgets that the toyota corolla comes with 139ps even tho it's a c segmen...
But the price of a new altis is way too much for most people to buy. Altis looks good but the asking price doesn't justify it. Perhaps buying 2nd ones from Toyota won't be a bad idea.
Really enjoy driving this S70 ❤❤❤
B+ segment? Or C- segment? Btw, I too would just get the flagship variant. Had cars with sunroofs before, we almost never use it.
this is not of the best S70, this is the best, is far better than those corrupted car reviewer than try power and lie on fuel consumption ...
Exactly! The auto hold is janky and the throttle response is F up. Do take note on this guys. Probably throttle response can use third party race chip
Everytime I watch the video and they say hi proton open sunroof. My sunroof also will open.
Good one Khairul.
Alot of complains & arguments but the price is stated clearly. Other than that its very simple, return to the original Emgrand spec. Then u know why theres the feeling 'try hard' & 'good efforts' by Proton engineers. Yeah, its not perfect just like other Japan brand made in Indonesia or Thailand. Just test drive all cars before buying.
S70 user here with 2.5k km clocked in both long distance highway drive and city driving.
Heres some thing i want to point out, not exactly as an agreement or disagreement towards the vid but more of a different point of view.
1) in this video there's a lengthy explanation about the lack of transmission refinement especially under 10km/h speed. It was interesting for me to watch it as I've always thought of it as a feature instead of flaw. There's definitely a learning curve on how to 'start moving' the car and honestly its pretty easy and seamless process. I've pretty much got used to it within 1-2 days of owning it. I've always thought the 'jerkiness' came from the sudden handover from parking autohold feature onto the 1st gear, and by gently pressing the pedal(which I've always assumed to notify the autohold to disengage) and wait a second or so before pressing the pedal again, the car will start rolling smoothly. By doing it this way the car felt very compliant and predictable hence I never thought of it as an issue. Ultimately I think this is more of a 'use me like this' type of issue rather than 'I'm faulty' kind.
2) The lack of Android Auto/Apple Carplay is not as huge as you think. you need to use it long enough to discover the real synergy between map and the car as a whole. After gotten used to the S70 ecosystem, I would say that if in the future I upgraded to a car with AAAC, it will be a side grade at most and definitely not a clear cut upgrade. There's 3 aspect the baked in map did better than AAAC, first, you can send the map to the driver screen and greatly reduce the eye strain from going back and forth between IHU and road. Once I got used to it it felt so natural and going back to using mirrored screen for waze felt like a step back technologically. Second it has a very accurate lane diagram which is very helpful when ure at the heart of KL or in a completely foreign city with confusing and branching road. Third is the fact that you basically can manipulate the map without disturbing the navigation on driver screen which is a big thing in reality since your partner can do adjustment like adding stop, zooming out to check traffic and double checking the destination without messing with navigation especially when you're not on a standstill and you do not want to miss any exits.
And dont get me started on Spotify. The 'dual device one account' approach makes so much sense actually. My partner can now manipulate spotify both from her phone AND from the IHU. We both have equal control of Spotify playlist, songs to play next etc. and best of all the phone is completely free. Not connected by cable or even Bluetooth. It just...works. after all, it is a fully baked Spotify app inside the IHU, just like how it is in the phone.
1. You're not wrong. DCT as the name implies is a gearbox with clutch like a manual, except there's computer and stuff that's doing the clutching work for you.
Ideally it's best you let them do the work for the first few seconds, then after it is fully fully engaged, starts to creep a little, then you can press the gas pedal gently onwards.
Obviously you never run AA AC before ...kakakaka Waze mirroring? Send directions to driver screen?
What cheapo HU you have before this? Android HU is not same as AA.. sheesh
Hahaha, waze and google Map all the way. Booo 👎
Yes, you can and eventually will get used to the throttle. My question is, why should you have to? Practically no other car with a turbo and DCT behaves in this peculiar manner. Having to drive a very specific way just so it behaves like a normal car should not be accepted as a character quirk - that's just bad calibration.
As for AACP, to me it's an essential feature. The native map is hopeless for actual routing, however well it's presented on screen.
hahahah. nothing make sense on your long essay. buy automatic car to learn it like driving manual car? if it is 50k car then i’ll buy it tomorrow. anyway the seat is not that comfortable la. don’t bluff unless you upgrade from axia bro. aa/ac missing? dissapointing. anyway consumer have an option now. which is good.
damn yall cant even get camera focus and color correction, but good review i guess
Video sgt panjang....tp mmg berbaloi tgk
Bunyi brek time idling tu servo pump di
infotainment design is still a after thought dashboard design...floating design is like sticking an ipad and consider done deal...
The best way to do it. Most manufacturers do it that way now.
I think this is more handsome than x50
Stju part throttle response tu. I dont think its about the turbo lag, but its the throttle.
Guys the premium is the one to go for petrol head. Especially if you just jump from cars without adas. Imagine having a fast car without all unecessary features. It would save you 10k just for that. Proton is trying to let all walks of life to enjoy the power and ride and handling of a car. Its an offer of a lifetime. Grabsbefore proton change their mind.
this is by far the best b or c segment sedan in this segment and super competitive pricing 😍😊
B or C? Please make your mind 1st
@@sputnikfreshie3601 well for me not sure because this is confusing at first so for me i was considered as b segment 🤷🤔
B +
@andrewyuyoungearn2799 oh i see that 👍😁
@@ahmadalbab5448 that's an interesting consideration of that 😉
The longest car review I have ever watch
Proton will keep offering AEB safety for the top variant, it is their tactic. If I were a business man hungry for more profits, I want my customers to buy the top variant to give me the most cash. No government body is gonna shut my business down. So why I care huh?
3 cyclinder engine????
Wow... Proton agressively leeching money from their customer... Too much "cost saving" stuff...
I feel like for this segment (Vios vs S70 vs City) these cars are competing to see who has the stupidest stuff that's bad enough, to ensure it does NOT get purchased. 😒
Some issues in each are deal breakers.
Vios without a bloody spare tire, S70 with no backseat leg room and the City with a trash infotainment system. 💆🏽♂️💆🏽♂️💆🏽♂️💆🏽♂️💆🏽♂️
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I tried to be optimistic when driving my friend's S70 but having driven many previous "new age" protons, time and time again they somehow still manage to not prove me wrong. It's still a shit car with a reasonably good facade. The vibrations were annoyingly apparent, even more so than the X50. Until proton wakes up from their coma and put a 4 cylinder in front that won't break down, then and only then will they even begin to produce competitive cars. Proton, your cars are now starting to look good but please stop using that good for nothing 3 cyinder and switch to a 4 cylinder. Have some damn sense and listen to what people are mainly complaining about.
My only gripe with this car is having the drive mode and sunroof control to be in the infotainment. Almost all car have a dedicated physical button for driving mode, and having to swipe down on the screen and tap on it, if you get lucky for it to click once, is not practical. It won't cost a lot to have a physical button for it by swapping the control on the center console, or even on the steering wheel. Any simple control being integrated into the infotainment is quite a bad move.
Other than that, I think all of the complaint is negligible like physical button lock/unlock door handle, given the price it offers to me.
Bro please make video s70 vs civic drag race😊
A port injected turbo engine will not have the engine response like a direct injected turbo .This engine should be tuned with lower top power maybe 140hp max for a 1.5 and it will have much better low speed responds. Proton tend to favor high top power rather than good torque spread which is where 90% of driving takes place. Proton cannot make it too refine as it will eat into their more expensive offering. Its typical of all car makers. Most importantly a ported turbo engine will have a much cheaper maintenance cost and higher reliability.
The high back of the S70 kinda looks like it want to fart while on the high back of the Bezza kinda looks like it wants take a dump. 😂😂
Hey can any1 explain to a non-car guy like me why the premium model isnt a good option? Im looking to upgrade from a Myvi, so anything looks better than what i already have. Is ADAS necessary if i dont use it to begin with?
I've been driving Preve Turbo since it's launch...the throttle response is so bad I suspect it has given me anxiety for years now as I always feel like I'm slow to respond to green lights or hogging up the line in a jam. How does the throttle response compare to Preve? My Saga FLX (yes still good) feels better to drive than my Preve!
Proton promised Android Auto and Apple Carplay for their X70 and X50 during launch. Its been 4 years now, can anyone with those models confirmed whether Proton kept their promise or not?
Proton offers world-class after-sales service in service and maintenance of its cars at its and dealer's workshops.
Can it still continue to provide world-class services with a very sudden surge and great increase in sales of its S70 model cars with the same number of workers and equipment at the workshops ?
This can be very good for sales but can create very serious workload all of a sudden for its workers at the same time.