The new Trek Madone that's heavier than a Mondraker Podium MTB with 100mm of travel, fat tyres and a cassette the size of a dinner plate as it weights 7.8kg But remember all this is what progression apperantly looks like 😂😂😂😂
Right hand: back shifting and braking, left hand: front shifting and breaking. Easy! I know, in the UK everthing is otherway round. You have to turn the handlebar to the left if you wanna go right etc. 🙃
Yeah i wondered, But then this isn't a rental bike or an whore at your local bike club. Bikes at this level need to be custom fitted to it's intended rider. No point in saving that expense at this level.
Nice color. Im trying to think the last time we saw a pro bike being 8.05kg with tubs. I think it was 1995? Good to see it isnt all about weight anymore. Not everyone can afford the light bikes!
I work in a Trek shop. I can't wait to get one of these in and built so I can test ride it. My only current gripe is the men's Trek road team is set up to ride like a they aren't a team. I at least want to see some stage wins...
At least I can say I own the same saddle as a pro. The Verse Pro suits me quite well and is unnoticeable on long rides. And the red color of the frame is worth at least +1 km/h all by itself.
As a Trek owner, my gripe with this (and most Treks) is that they spend all this time and money on silly gimmicks when what I want is for them to knock 1.5kgs off the bloody total weight.
I used to ride Trek exclusively. You could buy a full carbon Ultegra madone for $2500. That same setup is $8000 now. Technology has not advanced nearly that much nor has manufacturing costs. They are just ripping people off. Sadly it isn't just them.
@@glharlor it's not manufacturing costs, although every new fangled design will add to it, its the development costs, wind tunnel testing costs, rider testings etc. They are passing the cost onto the consumer. But 8 grand for it, hope the marketing department has done their homework and enough people buy it to make a profit.
As a trek owner I think this looks super nice. I own two trek and love them. I been riding my Domane SL5 2021 more. If only I could afford this one just for the road. 😂
Just got my OltreXR4 in 59cm with ultegra di2 and with pedals bottle cages is 8.05 kg. All this fuss for a hole in the seat post but the weight is still there. What I love of trek is new handlebars - they look crisp
By the time I can afford one we will see the longevity of the seat post. If Cannondale and Pinnerello can flog £10k+ bikes can't see why Trek can't. Certainly a bike that is now on my next bike radar
I wonder what the TDF would look like if there would be no limitation on geometry and aerodynamics, BUT each rider would have to use the exact same model bike+components for all stages.
03:25 Apparently on raceday he uses clinchers with the heavy tubolito copy from pirelly but just apparently because this is exacly what pirelly want's to sell... 03:50 how is this the neatest wrapjob? look at the tape sticking out around the barend and the edges of the tape on the top. the bike looks amazing can't wait to see some project one creations
I like the top-bar's flatness - the balls crusher. Instead of only crushing one ball on a round top tube, now the flatter profile allows both to be crushed under a rider's pedal-slip. Very smart of Trek. It looks far more stff, too, so total crushing is now possible.
@@arthurreyes2632 you do understand that the bike for pros are different than those on the market right? Specialized tarmac sl7 handlebar recall incident is a typical example, pro’s aero fly II all have aluminum reinforcements inside, you can see them clearly in one of their team documentaries. Bike frames are probably built in the US instead of China with much higher QC.
I'll give Trek credit for the innovation and trying something different. The frame angle at the seat tube might make it more comfortable on a cross bike when slung on the shoulder.
lets take Trek's word that its more aero efficient but is that new design also durable? Time will tell. Good bike for pros and sponsored teams - did i mention sponsored? - but not for individuals who value their bike's life more than its performance.
Good job Trek for being unique! I show up to group rides and it seems like everyone else is riding the same damn bikes with drop seat stays etc. And for all those weight weenies out there should lose 4 lbs of body weight and enjoy the future of cycling with this beautiful masterpiece 😊
Afaik it takes some time after upload until all resolutions are available. But why stop at 4K? Just order that bike as soon as it's available :-P It's one minute faster under some conditions compared to whatever :-D
Quite surprised at the weight for a tdf bike. Expected 7.7kg tops. You can still have a very aero bike for much less weight. Considering the route with few sprint stages this year I'd much prefer more of a balance.
@@tejashwarrana9834 Not when you ride up any hill it isn't. Not many pan flat stages this yr in the tdf! I'd still argue a 7.5kg aero bike makes more sense than an 8kg aero bike. That's like carrying an extra full bottle in your back pocket over all those mountain passes. How is that beneficial? Who would choose to do that?
the bikes and their design play a minor role regarding the result of a race. it's the legs and the mind of the rider that count . lopez got the maglia rosa and the maglia bianca in the giro with the old frame
A new idea for a video? I went on a gravel ride yesterday. It was much hillier than my previous gravel rides, which were relatively flat with an excellent crushed limestone surface. How about a video on how to ride more technical gravel roads? (But not MTB technical trails.)
I have a 2021 Emonda slr, and my wallet and use case both see me not adding the Madone to the collection. It's cool though. I'd be lying if I said I liked the aesthetics more than the previous one.
I'm a Madone owner, big fan. However, "Aero Savings" are due to narrower bars....not really anything else....... ;). People, it's an advertisement....Again..... no mention of heavy weight.....
Love taping from the top down to the bar ends. So fresh. So clean. I have never had problems taping this way and adore not seeing that electrical tape on my bars. ♥️♥️♥️
@@fradd4045 I was referring to the bike in this video. The bars were clearly taped backwards (from the top to bottom). I am fully aware this is not standard practice. But my experience has repeatedly shown that when I tape from the top to bottom it has worked like a charm and removes the need for ugly tape at the top. To each their own.
@@fradd4045 Hi fraud, I was watching this on my phone outdoors and now that I am watching it at home on my computer I can see what you’re referring to. What's confusing to me is at 3:45, Sy says that that the handlebars were wrapped backwards from normal thus removing the need for tape. I'm not sure what he meant by that. But clearly it was not what I thought he meant. Good catch!!!! 👏👏👏
I think a more accurate way to describe the aero gain would be say ‘without a rider and in a wind tunnel …’., because as soon as you put a rider on it the claim has no validity at all. It’s just a refresh and a novelty, which is understandable.
There's actually a big article on the whole development of the frame and they ran almost all their CFD and wind tunnel sessions with a rider included. Was a very interesting read.
@RichyH1000 - That's not correct, the entire point of the hole is to aid in rider aero. The rider creates a 'blockage' in the air, this creates turbulence directly behind the rider which creates a low pressure area effectively pulling the rider backwards. Allowing 'clean' air up through the bike directly behind the rider is intended to offset this, essentially lowering the drag.
As an engineer I think the old design with the iso speed decoupler was overall a more well-rounded concept. Of course the iso speed system is relatively heavy, but at least it works well and it actually makes a real difference in comfort and ride quality. So whereas the old Madone was a very clear and focused approach to combine speed with comfort, the new one looks like a halfway house without real strength. But thank god the new one is lighter, good thing that being lightweight isn’t horrendously overrated…
Also an engineer, looking at the way the iso speed dropped to the bottom bracket, while this more or less splits the seat post from the bike, I could see this entire frame being extremely stiff for pedaling while still allowing the seat post to move quite a bit. If I'm not mistaken, iso speed had to allow the bottom bracket to move vertically slightly.
The funniest part is that 1/2 of the aero benefit they claim comes from the narrower handlebars which is a joke... So my comments are: By switching my bars from 40cm to 38cm I get $5000 worth of aero improvement and 2) This model benefits of a 15% improvement of BS factor over the previous generation....
Not neccessarily. If the handlebars are too narrow, your shoulders will hinder your chest from expanding fully when breathing in. Believe me, I tried it: In the late 1980s I got a purple Everton frame with the white Shimano Santé 2 x 7-speed group set, one of the most beautiful bicycles in the 1980s. The default handlebars were quite narrow (36 cm I think) which impaired my breating hugely. Only when I changed to wider handlebars did I get back to normal performance. Until than I was faster on my old somewhat heavier 2 x 6-speed bike. I later rebuilt the Santé to a single-speed and used in the beginning of my carreer as a bike messenger. However, the frame broke under me one day at work, the soldering on the downtube cracked at the head stem. Quite a wobbely experience. Walked to the nearest shop, got a new frame + fork, took a taxi home, and spent the evening moving the parts to be ready to ride the next morning.
Iso flow, deep section wheels, aero shaped tubing, integrated cockpit with no cables visible, narrow bars, levers turned inwards, now just waiting to see a weekend warrior with his/her handlebar bag on one 😂 😂 😂
What do you make of the new Trek Madone?
Looks like a missile 💪🏼
The new Trek Madone that's heavier than a Mondraker Podium MTB with 100mm of travel, fat tyres and a cassette the size of a dinner plate as it weights 7.8kg
But remember all this is what progression apperantly looks like 😂😂😂😂
I think we´ve reached a point where it´s all a big joke. 8000$ for the "entry level" Madone equipped with 105.
Probably look for wheels with a less noisy freewheel :-P
@@danc1829 Alright calm down lol
Thank you Si for squeezing the wrong brake first after the free hub sound check. I'll feel less silly from now on when I do it.
THE FRONT BREAK IS ON THE WRONG SIDE (from the uk)
I'm forever doing that 😂
@@aperson5994 BRAKE! You need a tea BREAK while you brush up on your spelling and notice that your caps lock is on.
This one is made for RHT and LHD
Right hand: back shifting and braking, left hand: front shifting and breaking. Easy! I know, in the UK everthing is otherway round. You have to turn the handlebar to the left if you wanna go right etc. 🙃
I love the new design. I also think Trek missed something with the name of the Iso Flow. The A Hole would have been a fun name.
We definitely agree
🤣🤣🤣 "treks new A Hole technology where the air just flows right out"
For those who wonder. The seatpost has a range of 6.5cm of height adjustment according to the service manual
Yes, i was wondering... lol
thx for checking it
Also theres 2 different length of seatposts
You shouldn't need more than that if you buy a frame that is actually made for your body proportions
Yeah i wondered,
But then this isn't a rental bike or an whore at your local bike club.
Bikes at this level need to be custom fitted to it's intended rider.
No point in saving that expense at this level.
Nice color.
Im trying to think the last time we saw a pro bike being 8.05kg with tubs.
I think it was 1995?
Good to see it isnt all about weight anymore. Not everyone can afford the light bikes!
Those chainrings are bigger than your head
Well said duri!
Wow 8kg?! Surely that’s a hard pass
I work in a Trek shop. I can't wait to get one of these in and built so I can test ride it. My only current gripe is the men's Trek road team is set up to ride like a they aren't a team. I at least want to see some stage wins...
At least I can say I own the same saddle as a pro. The Verse Pro suits me quite well and is unnoticeable on long rides. And the red color of the frame is worth at least +1 km/h all by itself.
I have an older Madone having previously owned an Emonda, I love Trek and if only I could afford another new one!
Dentists are gonna love this!
Only 9/10 of them
I bought it for me birthday, July 10th and have not stopped riding it! I get lots of compliments!!!
Still happy ?
Madone has genuine creativeness in its design and I admire that. Compared to this, most other bikes of today look similar to me.
Just another useless gimmick to squeeze extra dollars from consumers
As a Trek owner, my gripe with this (and most Treks) is that they spend all this time and money on silly gimmicks when what I want is for them to knock 1.5kgs off the bloody total weight.
The aero is always heavier, go for the emonda, which is their light bike.
“As a Trek owner” one born every minute! 😂 Then complains his overpriced bike he bought is too heavy! 😂
I used to ride Trek exclusively. You could buy a full carbon Ultegra madone for $2500. That same setup is $8000 now. Technology has not advanced nearly that much nor has manufacturing costs. They are just ripping people off. Sadly it isn't just them.
@@glharlor it's not manufacturing costs, although every new fangled design will add to it, its the development costs, wind tunnel testing costs, rider testings etc. They are passing the cost onto the consumer. But 8 grand for it, hope the marketing department has done their homework and enough people buy it to make a profit.
You can still buy a buy a trek for 4000 but don’t expect the slr frame, electronic gruppo, carbon wheels or anything lightweight.
Looks stunning
That free hub is astounding
As a trek owner I think this looks super nice. I own two trek and love them. I been riding my Domane SL5 2021 more. If only I could afford this one just for the road. 😂
Buy it. I’m on my second madone. You could die tomorrow.
Just got my OltreXR4 in 59cm with ultegra di2 and with pedals bottle cages is 8.05 kg.
All this fuss for a hole in the seat post but the weight is still there.
What I love of trek is new handlebars - they look crisp
That is a bike of beauty.
By the time I can afford one we will see the longevity of the seat post. If Cannondale and Pinnerello can flog £10k+ bikes can't see why Trek can't. Certainly a bike that is now on my next bike radar
oh
Mads run right lever as rear brake!!!
love it~
I wonder what the TDF would look like if there would be no limitation on geometry and aerodynamics, BUT each rider would have to use the exact same model bike+components for all stages.
That bike look great!
Absolutely beautiful bike, dreaming of owning it :) :)
Love the bike, please do one of the new propel next :0
03:25 Apparently on raceday he uses clinchers with the heavy tubolito copy from pirelly but just apparently because this is exacly what pirelly want's to sell...
03:50 how is this the neatest wrapjob? look at the tape sticking out around the barend and the edges of the tape on the top. the bike looks amazing can't wait to see some project one creations
What a sick looking bike 🤤
Very nice I want one...still not sure how I feel about charging batteries just to be able to shift gears though...
Proper nice!
I like the top-bar's flatness - the balls crusher. Instead of only crushing one ball on a round top tube, now the flatter profile allows both to be crushed under a rider's pedal-slip. Very smart of Trek. It looks far more stff, too, so total crushing is now possible.
The bike is awesome but 7700€ and it comes with a Shimano 105? Why!?
Because that's what Trek do
They seriously overprice their stuff. I would have gotten one if it weren't for the price (supposing it were available)
To be fair, it's 105 Di2
6 months later Trek will issue a recall due to the seat post holder cracks.
Doubt it. The team has been using this bike on all terrains. Flat, cobbled, mountains. Emonda and Domane are obsolete.
Yeah experts like hambini and peak torque who have never designed a bike before have confirmed this will happen just by looking at pictures.
@@arthurreyes2632 you do understand that the bike for pros are different than those on the market right? Specialized tarmac sl7 handlebar recall incident is a typical example, pro’s aero fly II all have aluminum reinforcements inside, you can see them clearly in one of their team documentaries. Bike frames are probably built in the US instead of China with much higher QC.
I'll give Trek credit for the innovation and trying something different. The frame angle at the seat tube might make it more comfortable on a cross bike when slung on the shoulder.
Just like Canyon did with their cyclocross frame half a decade ago.
This bike is SEXY! I might be a bit biased, but Trek does it better than anyone!
It's such a distinctive new design
i don’t care the bashers, but love it, especially the silver one with just a small trek logo😁
I like this very much 👌 it looks great 👍
Kudos Trek the hole actually makes good physics sense. 56 chain ring LOL would love to try that out.
lets take Trek's word that its more aero efficient but is that new design also durable? Time will tell. Good bike for pros and sponsored teams - did i mention sponsored? - but not for individuals who value their bike's life more than its performance.
Definitely thumbs up. Engineering marvel.
Everytime I see the bike, I start to like the style a little bit more..
So Beautiful 😍😍😍 Bike
Trek is the best brand in the world ❤
So pretty!!
Super nice and just make me speechless...
Good job Trek for being unique! I show up to group rides and it seems like everyone else is riding the same damn bikes with drop seat stays etc. And for all those weight weenies out there should lose 4 lbs of body weight and enjoy the future of cycling with this beautiful masterpiece 😊
Gotta love marketing!
We want an on bike review by Si for this bike.
0:40 yeah this really makes no sense😂 but youre right.. we get the idea😄
Nice! GCN, could we get some 4k goodness?
I bet their video editors have macbook air 2012
Afaik it takes some time after upload until all resolutions are available.
But why stop at 4K? Just order that bike as soon as it's available :-P
It's one minute faster under some conditions compared to whatever :-D
Where do you get the red water bottles ?
The hole in the seat tube is symbolic of the hole created in consumer's wallet when he buys the bike.
Quite surprised at the weight for a tdf bike. Expected 7.7kg tops. You can still have a very aero bike for much less weight. Considering the route with few sprint stages this year I'd much prefer more of a balance.
Weight is a benefit actually
@@tejashwarrana9834 Not when you ride up any hill it isn't. Not many pan flat stages this yr in the tdf! I'd still argue a 7.5kg aero bike makes more sense than an 8kg aero bike. That's like carrying an extra full bottle in your back pocket over all those mountain passes. How is that beneficial? Who would choose to do that?
@@swites yea I agree
I didn't say all time ✌
Aero bike perform the best in flats and descends than climb bikes
frame design is ok but impress with the freehub sound 🙂
the bikes and their design play a minor role regarding the result of a race. it's the legs and the mind of the rider that count . lopez got the maglia rosa and the maglia bianca in the giro with the old frame
Easy install works great
see any trek riding doing well
The most beautiful bike I've seen it might replace my car
56/43 is insane. What’s the cassette? Looks pretty big (you’d hope so anyway 😬)
A new idea for a video? I went on a gravel ride yesterday. It was much hillier than my previous gravel rides, which were relatively flat with an excellent crushed limestone surface. How about a video on how to ride more technical gravel roads? (But not MTB technical trails.)
I’m love it
I have a 2021 Emonda slr, and my wallet and use case both see me not adding the Madone to the collection. It's cool though. I'd be lying if I said I liked the aesthetics more than the previous one.
Free Hub sound check!! _____________ Good stuff
Iso-Hole - the future of aerodynamics in cycling
I'm a Madone owner, big fan. However, "Aero Savings" are due to narrower bars....not really anything else....... ;). People, it's an advertisement....Again..... no mention of heavy weight.....
Yes please
Does anyone know how the tape is holding ? Si said it was a reverse taping, but the overlap is clearly regular… Does look nice indeed
Over 8KG 😮 the old 2020 Venge Disc was maybe 7,4 in the same size
If you wanna go fast, what metrics do you messure? Speed and Time? Or weight? Being lightweight is so horrendously overrated…
@@MS-bw7yt As are aerodynamics on a bicycle. The size of the rider makes a LOT more difference. It is all marketing nonsense.
@@MS-bw7yt probably, but if you can make the same bike with rim brakes (arguably more aero) and make it lighter, why wouldn't you?
@@MS-bw7yt absolutely, but if I can have both I’ll take it (with a prio clearly on aero, which is why I’m not a fan of the SL7)
My 2012 Madone is 6.4kg with tubulars...
No one commenting on the giant chain ring? That IS a big chain ring! First!
very cool
Love taping from the top down to the bar ends. So fresh. So clean. I have never had problems taping this way and adore not seeing that electrical tape on my bars. ♥️♥️♥️
no they are from the bottom up
@@fradd4045 I was referring to the bike in this video. The bars were clearly taped backwards (from the top to bottom). I am fully aware this is not standard practice. But my experience has repeatedly shown that when I tape from the top to bottom it has worked like a charm and removes the need for ugly tape at the top. To each their own.
@@SignorLuigi so was i you can clearly see the lap shows that is is wrapped from the bottom
@@fradd4045 Hi fraud, I was watching this on my phone outdoors and now that I am watching it at home on my computer I can see what you’re referring to. What's confusing to me is at 3:45, Sy says that that the handlebars were wrapped backwards from normal thus removing the need for tape. I'm not sure what he meant by that. But clearly it was not what I thought he meant. Good catch!!!! 👏👏👏
What valve extender, are they using for the Pirelli SmarTUBE? I have a hard time, finding a valve extender, that will fit, for my 55mm wheels??
I wonder how smaller frame sizes affect the idea of Isoflow
Improves the airflow, right.....
Why is the rear brake linked to what is typically the front brake lever (Right)?
I can only speak from experience but that's what bikes are set up for in the US.
This what marketing and research are all about, give the market something maybe useless but weird enough to be desiderable. Well done trek.
It clearly is a worldwide oriented bike rear brakes on the right Si ;-)
Relaxed the seat tube requirement?
It is even over 50 seconds faster per hour at 18 mph. I find that impressive.
I don't know how they quantify that measurement, but I don't really believe those claims.
@@glharlor ruclips.net/video/6Fj-7Ioimcw/видео.html
I mean, how accurate is their own testing on their own product 🤷♂️
I think a more accurate way to describe the aero gain would be say ‘without a rider and in a wind tunnel …’., because as soon as you put a rider on it the claim has no validity at all. It’s just a refresh and a novelty, which is understandable.
There's actually a big article on the whole development of the frame and they ran almost all their CFD and wind tunnel sessions with a rider included. Was a very interesting read.
Ok my man put your money where your mouth is and experiment your hypothesis.
@RichyH1000 - That's not correct, the entire point of the hole is to aid in rider aero.
The rider creates a 'blockage' in the air, this creates turbulence directly behind the rider which creates a low pressure area effectively pulling the rider backwards.
Allowing 'clean' air up through the bike directly behind the rider is intended to offset this, essentially lowering the drag.
The negative angle computer mount🤮
Yeah. What in the world is going on with that?
Freehub reminds me of my Hunt wheels - Hunts are known for loud angry hornet sounding wheels
Do you know if he uses 172.5 crankset?
How is the bar tape wrapped backward if it overlaps correctly from the top down?
Because they start at the top and go down. Just like I do in my vids.
@@durianriders But if you start at the top, the tape overlaps the wrong way.
All 3 things a rider needs. Isoflow, isospeed and isopure
Ah.Madone video must have been made first. Si went for the left lever. Kudos rescinded.
As a mere mortal one aero bike to the next is going to make no difference to my speed.........but the looks 🥰 I love it.
It is pretty distinctive
why the rear wheel brakes use the right hand ? Is that safe? Or there are any reason for that..
As an engineer I think the old design with the iso speed decoupler was overall a more well-rounded concept. Of course the iso speed system is relatively heavy, but at least it works well and it actually makes a real difference in comfort and ride quality. So whereas the old Madone was a very clear and focused approach to combine speed with comfort, the new one looks like a halfway house without real strength. But thank god the new one is lighter, good thing that being lightweight isn’t horrendously overrated…
Also an engineer, looking at the way the iso speed dropped to the bottom bracket, while this more or less splits the seat post from the bike, I could see this entire frame being extremely stiff for pedaling while still allowing the seat post to move quite a bit. If I'm not mistaken, iso speed had to allow the bottom bracket to move vertically slightly.
Aeolus wheels are really well built, but I can’t stand super loud freehubs
No thanks. Appreciate the design thinking though. Curious about the seat post's long term strength
cost?
Are you sure the tape is reverse wrapped? Looks to me like they just finished the bar tape with more bar tape instead of electrical tape.
Additional bottle cage that for air flows
Its interesting the back brake is on the right rather than the left I guess thats just over here that the brake is on the left.
Check out that big ‘iso-hole’
Over 8kg is a ridiculous weight, that would be comparable to a TT bike
Heavy as fuc+
The funniest part is that 1/2 of the aero benefit they claim comes from the narrower handlebars which is a joke... So my comments are: By switching my bars from 40cm to 38cm I get $5000 worth of aero improvement and 2) This model benefits of a 15% improvement of BS factor over the previous generation....
Not neccessarily. If the handlebars are too narrow, your shoulders will hinder your chest from expanding fully when breathing in. Believe me, I tried it:
In the late 1980s I got a purple Everton frame with the white Shimano Santé 2 x 7-speed group set, one of the most beautiful bicycles in the 1980s. The default handlebars were quite narrow (36 cm I think) which impaired my breating hugely.
Only when I changed to wider handlebars did I get back to normal performance. Until than I was faster on my old somewhat heavier 2 x 6-speed bike.
I later rebuilt the Santé to a single-speed and used in the beginning of my carreer as a bike messenger. However, the frame broke under me one day at work, the soldering on the downtube cracked at the head stem. Quite a wobbely experience. Walked to the nearest shop, got a new frame + fork, took a taxi home, and spent the evening moving the parts to be ready to ride the next morning.
It will be more aero if it will use the cervelo s5 handlebar.
Iso flow, deep section wheels, aero shaped tubing, integrated cockpit with no cables visible, narrow bars, levers turned inwards, now just waiting to see a weekend warrior with his/her handlebar bag on one 😂 😂 😂
That doesn't look like a reverse wrap so how did the mechanics manage to finish the bartape at the top without needing any electrical tape?
‘Aero weight penalty’ you mean disc break weight penalty