I rarely comment on youtube videos but this is the most professional/involved work I've ever seen here. What shocked me the most is that you don't already have millions of subscribers. Hope for this channel to grow immediately!
I tried 12-35, 35-100, 10-25, 25-50 on Sony apsc camera with a dummy battery. Yes I can not change aperture or even adjust manual focus because it is focus by wire not true mechanical focus ring. However I can still test out the image circle covering. Amd I find all these high end m4/3 zooms once you just zoomed in a bit, the black edge will be gone. In my Sony camera, clear image zoom at 1.2x can get rid the black edge at wide end. And once you zoom in, you do not even need crop, they can cover apsc sensor for at least 80% of the zoom range.
I actually tried the voigtlanders on a shelved FX3 review and found the same thing. Full coverage with clear zoom even on the 10.5mm. Pretty neat stuff.
Wow this is crazy! Great content man, subbing! I have my cherished set of 4 Voigtlander's and this makes me so happy to see a further future proofing of these amazing lenses!
As usual, your videos are really impressive. And I had this one in my watch later for far too long. I was actually close to buying the Super Nokton a few weeks ago. I thought maybe it would be featured here as well. MFT has a flange distance that's more than some of the modern mounts (E,Z,RF,L...) So it's not the greatest option anymore. Very few camera allow to remove the mounting plate like the one you tested here. I think Kinefinity is also one where you can get really close to 0 flange. Which allows for much more interesting lenses. There is a special case for MFT and super35 tho, a camcorder from JVC. Which has a larger than MFT sensor. So it's not completely uncharted territory. Apart from the 2nd shot (for reasons unclear to me), your creative scene does really look straight out off the movie. The 10.5 on this sensor size (especially on the winder crop) does make a very compelling ultra wide. Yet I am still hopeful for the 6mm from LAOWA. Otherwise the 7.5mm might end up on my camera. In terms of coverage. A bit of falloff actually looks great, however it gets really bad when you put smaller lenses on larger sensors, and get really harsh corners or reflections outside the usual image circle. Some of the 16mm c mount lenses I had have this issue and are useless on MFT (or even Panasonic GX9 4K crop/bmpcc digital Super16 size), while a few select ones cover MFT just fine with a bit of funky stuff towards the edges, but it's part of the look to me.
Nice work! Hope to see more stuff like this, you just gained a subscriber! But please check your audio levels. For me the intro/outro music was way way louder than your voice.
@@imagenatura We can't compare them when the price of a second hand JVC LS300 is around 1500€. I use the JVC mostly for documentary filmmaking and for now I love it, it makes the shooting so simple. Maybe I will upgrade for the E2-S6 when I will have the money. The only problem I have with this camera is the difficulty to find informations about MFT Lenses and Super 35 coverage.. Do you have some infos? For example with the SLR Magic ?
Your channel will explode. Trust me. You are the best reviewer on RUclips. Hey, what filtration do you use with the S6? Do you think it need IRNDs or regular NDs are just fine? Thanks!
I used my basic VariND on the front of my lenses. The run and gun nature dictated a fast setup and I didn't want to faff around with a matte box. IMO, regular ND's will be fine.
So far we are just shooting using the ZRAW and editing in Resolve. We are editing with the Proxy files and we will convert the needed files using the Zcam tool to DNX HD 444 to be graded in Resolve. It is just far too simple of workflow and you can edit with anything.
great seeing another art focused filmmaking channel on yt, i subscribed asap. Just had a question to ask u. I am buying bmpcc4k and thinking of buying 10.5, 25 and 60 mm voigtlander. I wanted to just get a confirmation whether those m43 lenses will be any good on arri, red or sony fx series if i use them in future?
Hi Vishant, no, these lenses are for micro43 only. Sony, Arri and RED do not offer m43 mount at this time. I do not recommend these lenses for those cameras. Glad you enjoyed the review!
Very rookie question. Would you say that in your shoots and tests that you’d say that the Voigtlanders all have consistent looks and exposures across the board given that they are F Stops and not T stops. As in; is the exposure at 0.95 the same on the 17.5 the same as it is on the 25, 10.5 and 42.5? Curious to know. Thank you
You're welcome! Yes, in the 6k DCI mode, there is full coverage even with the 10.5mm. If you would like to see stills of lens coverage for each lens, they are available on my patreon!
Unfortunately, I do not have the answer to this. But I would hazard a guess that you're going to experience pretty extreme vignetting unless you punch in. Youd probably be safe in s16 mode if you really wanted to use micro43 mount. However, ZCam does make a pl mount for this camera. Might as well make full use of the sensor.
Great video!! I've got a set of voigtlanders and I'm thinking about getting the s6 of they performed well. Have you done any more works with them? Thanks so much
at the time of filming, this lens was not available for purchase or rental. I have no gone back to test this lens, but I assume that if the 10.5mm and 25mm lenses do (which have the smallest rear elements), then the 29mm almost certainly will work.
Love the stylistic presentation and real world examples. Have you had a chance to use Sirui's anamorphic lenses on the Z-cam? The anamorphic line unfortunately is not available in all mounts, and the current super35 E-mount option isn't great, which leads me to think the best option would be to purchase them in m43 mount and use it on something like a Z-cam with interchangeable mounts.
Omg thank you. I am coming from a GH4 and was debating getting the ZCam e2 since I have mft lenses and metabones speed booster and ef lenses. Does anyone know if the sirui anamorphic rear element is big enough for the z cam ef mount? I think the anamorphic lenses are ef-m but I know some ef-m lenses will mount.
This is an amazing video, i want it to ask you a small question.. Im planing to get the Sirui 24mm f2.8 Anamorphic Lens, does the E2S6 gonna cover the whole field of view? do i will get the whole 24mm?.. thank you so much for this amazing content you do.
Thanks! I wish that I could give you any more info on whether or not those anamorphics work on that system, but I just haven't used it with any other lenses than the Voigtlanders. Sorry!
@@e-hfilms Thanks you so much for your answer.. for the Voigtlander Nokton 25mm f/0.95 it gives you the whole field of view of 25mm? . BTW i watched your video 5 times.. this is way far than video of the same subject on youtube.
@@e-hfilms Interesting... quite the opposite with me, I just shot something with both the GH5 and Pocket4K using Voigtländers and BM was more accurate and easier to grade. Although in some shots with certain light the GH5 captured some very nice colors.
I have used the 12-100mm on a few different shoots and while I love that lens, the cost to rent the lens and the camera again are hard to justify for a single test.
You can adapt MFT lenses onto E-Mount using the Fotodiox adapter. My Voiglander F0.95 MFT lenses covers 1.6x, so on Sony APS-C you need to use clear image zoom to punch into 1.6x to make it work.
I have done this test as well with an FX3, however, there is a noticeable drop in sharpness when using clear zoom. Not nearly as elegant a solution as direct coverage and mounting with full resolution options available imo.
Voigtlander & FX30 are a great match. Gets full coverage on active stabilization or when cropping in 2.35. From my tests, the circle provides a 1.68 crop from FF or 1.12 from S35 in 16:9.
I actually had an offer to test the Meike lenses but turned it down as there is nothing that excites me about those lenses. I am interested in the DZO VV Primes tho. Who knows...maybe i'm already working on it...
@@e-hfilms I agree with your assessment. Are you still working on DZO? How about the Catta Zooms or the new Tango? I usually prefer primes but I have been thinking for video if a zoom is of sufficient quality you benefit from not having to change lenses plus matching primes is not an issue.
I rarely comment on youtube videos but this is the most professional/involved work I've ever seen here. What shocked me the most is that you don't already have millions of subscribers. Hope for this channel to grow immediately!
That really means a lot! Thank you so much!
As an owner of the voigtlander lenses this is finally the camera review I’ve been looking for!
This was the best review I’ve ever seen on this camera, or any for that matter!
Thanks so much! Hope the others are just as useful!
Awesome color grading on both of these films. I never thought to consider the Voigtlander lenses on m S6. Looks fantastic to me!
You should definitely give it a shot!
Came here from Kosmusic's channel and subscribed. Great presentation and review, even though I don't know much about lenses, very interesting!
Very solid work my friend!
I tried 12-35, 35-100, 10-25, 25-50 on Sony apsc camera with a dummy battery. Yes I can not change aperture or even adjust manual focus because it is focus by wire not true mechanical focus ring. However I can still test out the image circle covering. Amd I find all these high end m4/3 zooms once you just zoomed in a bit, the black edge will be gone. In my Sony camera, clear image zoom at 1.2x can get rid the black edge at wide end. And once you zoom in, you do not even need crop, they can cover apsc sensor for at least 80% of the zoom range.
I actually tried the voigtlanders on a shelved FX3 review and found the same thing. Full coverage with clear zoom even on the 10.5mm. Pretty neat stuff.
Wow this is crazy! Great content man, subbing! I have my cherished set of 4 Voigtlander's and this makes me so happy to see a further future proofing of these amazing lenses!
Not sure if i posted this twice ... but this guy deserves way more subscribers.
Thank you so much!
As usual, your videos are really impressive. And I had this one in my watch later for far too long. I was actually close to buying the Super Nokton a few weeks ago. I thought maybe it would be featured here as well.
MFT has a flange distance that's more than some of the modern mounts (E,Z,RF,L...) So it's not the greatest option anymore. Very few camera allow to remove the mounting plate like the one you tested here. I think Kinefinity is also one where you can get really close to 0 flange. Which allows for much more interesting lenses.
There is a special case for MFT and super35 tho, a camcorder from JVC. Which has a larger than MFT sensor. So it's not completely uncharted territory.
Apart from the 2nd shot (for reasons unclear to me), your creative scene does really look straight out off the movie.
The 10.5 on this sensor size (especially on the winder crop) does make a very compelling ultra wide. Yet I am still hopeful for the 6mm from LAOWA. Otherwise the 7.5mm might end up on my camera.
In terms of coverage. A bit of falloff actually looks great, however it gets really bad when you put smaller lenses on larger sensors, and get really harsh corners or reflections outside the usual image circle. Some of the 16mm c mount lenses I had have this issue and are useless on MFT (or even Panasonic GX9 4K crop/bmpcc digital Super16 size), while a few select ones cover MFT just fine with a bit of funky stuff towards the edges, but it's part of the look to me.
I think it’s time for a 45 minute cinematic intro. The people are ready
Big Like for the Intro. Best intro on youtube i`ve ever seen
Thank you! Intros are my favorite parts of these reviews :)
While I am more into photography, I really enjoy your videos and a lot of the learnings around lenses, color and so on are similar! Great work!
Glad you like them and thank you!
Nice work! Hope to see more stuff like this, you just gained a subscriber! But please check your audio levels. For me the intro/outro music was way way louder than your voice.
Thanks for the sub!
There's already a Super 35 video camera with a M43 mount. It's called the JVC LS300 and it came out a few years ago.
Yup, but I'd rather have the E2-S6! Only major benefit the LS300 has is the in built NDs.
@@SoundSpeeding Yes, but that's a MAJOR benefit in usability.
@@imagenatura We can't compare them when the price of a second hand JVC LS300 is around 1500€. I use the JVC mostly for documentary filmmaking and for now I love it, it makes the shooting so simple. Maybe I will upgrade for the E2-S6 when I will have the money. The only problem I have with this camera is the difficulty to find informations about MFT Lenses and Super 35 coverage.. Do you have some infos? For example with the SLR Magic ?
@@nordweststudio Sorry, I don't have any more info.
*Update, I bought the s6, 10.5mm has slight vignetting in DCI. Could be a stylistic touch🤷🏽♂
Excellent work! That is so detailed I love it.
Thank you very much!
your work is amazing
Thank you so much 😀
Hey, just saw that you have focus rings for the voigtlander Norton, would you kindly let me know which measures are for those lenses ?
Your channel will explode. Trust me. You are the best reviewer on RUclips. Hey, what filtration do you use with the S6? Do you think it need IRNDs or regular NDs are just fine? Thanks!
I used my basic VariND on the front of my lenses. The run and gun nature dictated a fast setup and I didn't want to faff around with a matte box. IMO, regular ND's will be fine.
So far we are just shooting using the ZRAW and editing in Resolve. We are editing with the Proxy files and we will convert the needed files using the Zcam tool to DNX HD 444 to be graded in Resolve. It is just far too simple of workflow and you can edit with anything.
Loved the scientific breakdown sir! The 10.5mm looks beautiful! Any other wide angle alternatives you might suggest for the S6? Much obliged
great seeing another art focused filmmaking channel on yt, i subscribed asap. Just had a question to ask u. I am buying bmpcc4k and thinking of buying 10.5, 25 and 60 mm voigtlander. I wanted to just get a confirmation whether those m43 lenses will be any good on arri, red or sony fx series if i use them in future?
Hi Vishant, no, these lenses are for micro43 only. Sony, Arri and RED do not offer m43 mount at this time. I do not recommend these lenses for those cameras. Glad you enjoyed the review!
Amazing as always!!
Thank you! Cheers!
GREAT CONTENT.. Is this lens doesn't crop at all on E2S6? i mean you don't see any vignetting at all? .. thank you so much.
Very rookie question. Would you say that in your shoots and tests that you’d say that the Voigtlanders all have consistent looks and exposures across the board given that they are F Stops and not T stops. As in; is the exposure at 0.95 the same on the 17.5 the same as it is on the 25, 10.5 and 42.5? Curious to know. Thank you
KOSMusic brought me here. Honestly I understood almost none of it. Although the breakdown going from raw to fully graded, was pretty interesting.
Man, I swear you could be a voice over talent for movie trailers! Reminds me of Don LaFontaine. Good content by the way, I subd.
So interesting. I own 3 VL lenses and considering the 29mm (thx to your review).
Amazing video!
Awesome video, I learned a lot from it, thanks!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great job! Can you do more content over other lenses for Z cam
We'll have to see how well this one does first!
very thank you....... Can the Panasonic 4/3 lens be used on z cam s6 correctly? like Panasonic 12-35 ,35 -100???
Amazing video👍🏻💐
Thanks for the video. Just to confirm you’re saying that the Voigtlanders, even the 10.5mm will cover the super 35 sensor?
You're welcome! Yes, in the 6k DCI mode, there is full coverage even with the 10.5mm. If you would like to see stills of lens coverage for each lens, they are available on my patreon!
@@e-hfilms What's your patreon? I own a JVC LS300 and I have troubles to find MFT Lenses that cover my Super 35 sensor.
I was wondering if using my Lomo Anamorphics with a oct19 to m43 adaptor will work fine with the zcam?
Unfortunately, I do not have the answer to this. But I would hazard a guess that you're going to experience pretty extreme vignetting unless you punch in. Youd probably be safe in s16 mode if you really wanted to use micro43 mount. However, ZCam does make a pl mount for this camera. Might as well make full use of the sensor.
Man , awesome content, keep going
Great video!! I've got a set of voigtlanders and I'm thinking about getting the s6 of they performed well. Have you done any more works with them? Thanks so much
I rented this ZCAM for the review and do not own it, so at the moment, I have not done any more projects with them.
Do they all cover s35? Even the 29mm f0.8?
at the time of filming, this lens was not available for purchase or rental. I have no gone back to test this lens, but I assume that if the 10.5mm and 25mm lenses do (which have the smallest rear elements), then the 29mm almost certainly will work.
Love the stylistic presentation and real world examples. Have you had a chance to use Sirui's anamorphic lenses on the Z-cam? The anamorphic line unfortunately is not available in all mounts, and the current super35 E-mount option isn't great, which leads me to think the best option would be to purchase them in m43 mount and use it on something like a Z-cam with interchangeable mounts.
Omg thank you. I am coming from a GH4 and was debating getting the ZCam e2 since I have mft lenses and metabones speed booster and ef lenses. Does anyone know if the sirui anamorphic rear element is big enough for the z cam ef mount? I think the anamorphic lenses are ef-m but I know some ef-m lenses will mount.
amazing job! are those scenes created just for this review???
Thanks! That is correct!
This is an amazing video, i want it to ask you a small question.. Im planing to get the Sirui 24mm f2.8 Anamorphic Lens, does the E2S6 gonna cover the whole field of view? do i will get the whole 24mm?.. thank you so much for this amazing content you do.
Thanks! I wish that I could give you any more info on whether or not those anamorphics work on that system, but I just haven't used it with any other lenses than the Voigtlanders. Sorry!
@@e-hfilms Thanks you so much for your answer.. for the Voigtlander Nokton 25mm f/0.95 it gives you the whole field of view of 25mm? . BTW i watched your video 5 times.. this is way far than video of the same subject on youtube.
Great job!
Thanks!
Have you tried the Blackmagic cameras? Pocket 4K/6K, even the original Pocket or Micro Cinema Camera?
I have! Not a huge fan of blackmagic's color science tho.
@@e-hfilms Interesting... quite the opposite with me, I just shot something with both the GH5 and Pocket4K using Voigtländers and BM was more accurate and easier to grade. Although in some shots with certain light the GH5 captured some very nice colors.
my man, is possible for you to test the 12-100mm F4 on it?
I have used the 12-100mm on a few different shoots and while I love that lens, the cost to rent the lens and the camera again are hard to justify for a single test.
You can adapt MFT lenses onto E-Mount using the Fotodiox adapter. My Voiglander F0.95 MFT lenses covers 1.6x, so on Sony APS-C you need to use clear image zoom to punch into 1.6x to make it work.
I have done this test as well with an FX3, however, there is a noticeable drop in sharpness when using clear zoom. Not nearly as elegant a solution as direct coverage and mounting with full resolution options available imo.
Voigtlander & FX30 are a great match. Gets full coverage on active stabilization or when cropping in 2.35. From my tests, the circle provides a 1.68 crop from FF or 1.12 from S35 in 16:9.
Great video :-)
Would be curious to now how Meike MFT or DZOFilm MFT lenses perform on the E2-S6!
I actually had an offer to test the Meike lenses but turned it down as there is nothing that excites me about those lenses. I am interested in the DZO VV Primes tho. Who knows...maybe i'm already working on it...
@@e-hfilms I agree with your assessment. Are you still working on DZO? How about the Catta Zooms or the new Tango? I usually prefer primes but I have been thinking for video if a zoom is of sufficient quality you benefit from not having to change lenses plus matching primes is not an issue.
The only disadvantage with ZCAM is you cannot load luts into the camera as a view assist or as a baked in profile for fast turn arounds.
Perhaps this will change with the new Pro lineup they have coming?
Well if you have an atomos as an external screen, load the lut into that.
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love it!
I wonder how this camera would handle mft cinema lenses.
Only one way to find out...Look forward to your review of it!
sick intro
keep fu***ing doing that shit🔥🔥🔥🔥
👍🏾🙏🏾
good review, terrible sound mixing.
... and you can carry it in your PORT!
Amazing content! But soooo long intro ... don't do it, everyone stops to watch after 10sec.
Thanks! I understand, my content isn't for everyone.
Take you hand off your mouse, lean back in your chair, and you'll be fine.