I really want to switch to io24, but I’m using a dual pc set up. With a GoXLR I can hear both of my PCs (line out from one pc to line in on GOXLR), I don’t think io24 has a line in? Any advice? Or maybe I can use both devices at the same time?
Yeah if you wanted mic on IO24 and then GoXLR to headphones for everything else, that would be fine You could technically even feed the mic out the line out of the IO24 with a 1/4” to XLR cable into the goxlr and turn off processing/routing to your stream if you DID want to hear it lol
I'd really love to see like a Revelator io64 in the future. Rocking a more GoXLR-like physical layout (faders) and expanded IO. Along with the killer DSP on this thing that could be a perfect All-in-one solution for Streaming
Yeah surely this is on the cards. Or at the very least a desktop box with two XLR combos + stereo line input (and maybe 3.5 headset also - unless that's switchable on one of the combos)
For these crossover gamer/streamer/work from home use targeted products, WHY isn't hardware microphone mute option an obvious addition? In fact, I don't care if all other controls are software and there's just a big mute button. For this reason, I'm sticking with the Wave XLR but I do find VSTs occasionally broken and needing a complete reinstall/setup, which is annoying. I switch the device between two PCs so that likely has something to do with it, and is why on-device storage would be nice.
Given PreSonus's background with music production gear, having the button be a monitor mute (not actually a headphone mute as EposVox suggested) makes a lot of sense as that's a really common need in a mixing room. Then again, they also market it as great for DJs and I can't think of any reason why a DJ would want to mute the speakers instead of, say, their headphones. If it's not hardwired, maybe they can make it adjustable in software one day.
@@nickglover Well, than they should stick with the music costumers and don’t promote it to people that need to do professional conferencing. There are not enough hands for an appropriate face palm given that muting and unmuting yourself is now formally established as “good manners” since 2020. For me: I’ve bought the io44 to use with my iPad and dynamic mic for video conferencing - figured out that the mute button doesn’t do anything on that USB audio interface - can’t reach to my iPad on the wall; so I’ll send this back and probably use the wave Xlr (if nobody has better ideas for an XLR usb interface with onboard DSP?). Rather have no DSP but appropriate user focus 🤷🏻♂️ 😪
Apparently too costly to manufacture and it's still far more niche (thus more limited sales) than HDMI and there's no way to convert modern spec HDMI to DP so it would be useless for HDMI users
does the mute button also mute the main out? you mentioned it mutes the headphones, but you also mentioned that you use headphones through the main output on a separate audio device. I could see using this button to mute speakers while i'm using headphones if it mutes main only.
Great video!! 🙌🏻 I'm gonna use it solely for guitar practice with some amps sim. So I don't think I ever use those fat channel effects... It's worth getting one or am I better with a more traditional interface?
Great video but it threw up a question for me. I was very interested in the Beacn Mix Create, when I first heard about it. I’ve followed your journey with the mic and seen some of the issues with the company, including availability. I used to use Voicemeter as a software mixer but with the latest round of gear for streamers giving you more flexibility; Is there something else out there you would recommend over & above the Mix create, so I could mix my audio tracks separately & have that physical control?
I wonder if they'll make it so it remembers the channel mute setting in hardware so we don't get deafened by the feedback for the time that the mic is active before the system boots for Universal Control to mute the mic (on the main output).
I feel like I'm going insane here. I even got Sweetwater to send out a replacement and I still have the exact same noise issues with mine (provided the gate is off, obviously). Really hesitant to ask for another replacement, but yours really does seem much cleaner. So weird. But thanks for humoring me and including a very specific test in there so I can hear for myself. Edit: You know, I can't believe it, but I plugged it into a different computer and there is significantly less noise. I've tried different ports, different cables, everything, just something about the one laptop causes problems.
Yeah, it's super weird. I remember way back in the day, we were always supposed to turn off wifi when recording because of power management problems, but this is something else. Oh well, FetHead works around it so I can figure it out later. Having said that, other interfaces don't have the problem, so it seems like there's still something about the io44 that's not quite right.
There's a review here : ruclips.net/video/Tb6Xg6mqBuc/видео.html that shows your issue. It's not shielded against hf interference. Often given off by class D amplification and other common household equipment, even computers
I've got to say, as the stream professor, you already had great production quality, before... but lately, everything from compression quality to AV (a given), to some of the more practical effects in the talking head (I would need a whole pit crew working on me to look that good under those lights) are just top tier. Network TV should have you on speed-dial, the next time they need to figure out how to record as a one-man band. I knew that already, but if anybody didn't, here's your demo reel.
1:55 just comment is relevatory for some of us who have been trying to diagnose electric static on even just USB bus based audio devices for the longest time. For example the behringer UMC 202 or it's HD cousin have Midas preamps and are often lauded for their decent it's a pretty good performance for $100 or so, but especially when using phantom power, that USB bus electrical hum is how to get rid of. Do you mean that DSPs eliminate this issue? I have esoteric needs for D&D live voice overs even during private calls and I added a cloudlifter not because I couldn't power the microphone I use but because of my niche needs, and the electrical hum is unbearable.
This won't do anything for EMI pickup. And i have a hard time imagining that the hum actually comes from USB at all, why do you believe that to be the case specifically.
I need a tutorial to make me understand how this and an XLR mic work with a DAC/amp headphone setup for a complete audio solution for streaming... I would never use the headphone out on a mic or an XLR interface.
Hi Epos. It is worth mentioning that if you are in the Presonus ecosystem and own Fat Channel Volume 1 for use in your DAW, you can not use these Fat Channel plugins on the Universal Control system and, by extension, on your Revelator products. This is a pet peeve of mine for the Revelator line of gear. I own both the Revelator Condenser usb mic AND the io24. I also bought the Fat Channel Collection vol 1, years ago. I have currently been spending the last four days trying to get it the interface sorted because the remote app (UC Remote) won't connect to wither the Revelator Mic AND the IO24.
Would you recommend replacing my goxlr mini with an io44 if I just use it for general audio routing and discord? I can't stand the mini's dsp and software in general anymore, and I'm ok with only having a software mute "button". I'd probably end up running 60 dB (currently 63 dB on mini) of gain on my Rode Procaster (regardless of distance) since I'm a fairly quiet speaker, even for a relatively deep (gravelly/rumbly? a lot of the time, but not always) voiced male, but I'd also most likely use the LA2A emulation and potentially extra level, if needed, on the mic fader to make up for it, instead of max gain, but it really depends how much I can get before even getting to that step.
I did get the Revelator Dynamic and I thank you for the review for it. But the one thing that I thought about, IF I went into having another mic on standby while simultaneously just have a decent interface for a side headset when I'm not using the Dynamic, would this pair well or better to just look at pairing with, say the Create for control?
Great stuff! Totally agree on the weird mix of professional and streaming audio begin the culprit of terrible control. Have you ever had decent luck importing from Thomann? The EU doesn’t have MAP so pricing is pretty loose, but shipping and import fees usually make the price over the what it is in the states once everything is said and done.
Noise suppression! That's all that is missing. Well, the connector layout is crazy but I agree with "who cares?" because I'm never going to touch those anyway. So I hope you're listening, Presonus! Get noise suppression onto this things DSP and you'll officially be the very first on the market to have everything streamers like me need! I'll hope off my WaveXLR right away for this if it gets noise suppression and it's good.
In case they're reading, OBS implements denoiser based on Speex DSP (maintained by Xiph), which is under a BSD-style license which is usable for commercial products. That in turn is based on Ephraim-Malah algorithm, a classic from around 1986. Their new AI noise suppressor RNNoise is also maintained by Xiph and also under the same license.
But will anyone every make an audio interface with two individually mixed headphone jacks with ~0 latency monitoring of two microphones? So far the closest is a 1000 usd rack mounted 40+ channel mixer.
what for? use voicemeeter and vban and be golden. latency is really really really low, quality is native 32bit/48khz+ pcm streams adn run input output over one pc to a decent xlr setup
Just for the cable placement I wouldn't buy it. It's already anoying enough on my focusrite 2i2 that not everything is on the back. At least it isn't as bad as a 3x hdmi switch I stumbled upon recently though, input and 3 outputs all on a different side. There should be some law against that. -_-
It is a real shame these interfaces are simply not designed for desktop use. I think you got it right with the analysis of their marketing material, they show a DJ using this between his music gear, and that is what they designed this to be used for. I can't use this at a desk. I am kind of stuck using GoXLR Minis right now even though I hate the GoXLR software just because the TC Helicon stuff features microphone mute buttons on them. I have no idea why PreSonus has a headphone mute button instead of microphone mute. I don't even know what the use case for that is for headphone mute. I would really love to switch over to a Revelator interface but the lack of microphone mute is a hard deal breaker for me.
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Maybe gain toggle down to 0dB and back could be a hacky solution 🤔
While you and Harris often overlap in your coverage - often releasing embargo lifted reviews within minutes of each other; for some reason, his entire channel is devoid of anything Presonus. The onboard DSP is a game changer and I'm surprised most other manufacturers of USB mics or audio interfaces haven't jumped on the bandwagon. The Revelator products not only have more than serviceable onboard DSP for streaming, these are also great for pro audio. In such a short time, we've come a long way from a rack of 5 external boxes, each with over a dozen knobs, to something that is built into an interface or mic. For those who want different plug-ins, they can always be added in post. But for live monitoring with DSP with minimal latency, so far the onboard DSP is the only easy way I know. The old trick was to have effects in an insert loop that the performer would hear, but only print the dry signal to tape. This Presonus solution is great for two different camps who like to record completely dry signals to tape and add everything in post (generally North America) or those that like to record signals with some effects already, then enhance those in post (generally European).
This is the only device worth using for us single podcaster or voice over people… That line in is the only thing i hate about this thing, just 1 channel man! just one with all those features and a good mute button! almost perfect, and what blows my mind this is the only device with theses features, i hate 2 channels audio interface.
…not every video has an extended cut. I’m a one man show and can’t sustain that. But plenty of videos do (as marked with the Nebula+ symbol in the video list) as well as dedicated Nebula exclusive videos - which plenty more are coming this quarter - etc. I never said this specific video had more on the Nebula version.
![[Eng Sub] PreSonus Revelator IO44 USB interface](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/on3UjfD3SVc/mqdefault.jpg)
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I really want to switch to io24, but I’m using a dual pc set up. With a GoXLR I can hear both of my PCs (line out from one pc to line in on GOXLR), I don’t think io24 has a line in? Any advice?
Or maybe I can use both devices at the same time?
You can use both devices at the same time, but you won't be able to (easily/reliably/low-latency) hear both at the same time.
@@EposVox I’m used to not hearing myself when streaming anyways, so maybe that won’t be a problem.
Yeah if you wanted mic on IO24 and then GoXLR to headphones for everything else, that would be fine
You could technically even feed the mic out the line out of the IO24 with a 1/4” to XLR cable into the goxlr and turn off processing/routing to your stream if you DID want to hear it lol
@@EposVox wow that’s neat, appreciate it doc!
I love the custom commercials and clips you've been making in your videos this year lol Better and better each time.
Thank you!
I'd really love to see like a Revelator io64 in the future. Rocking a more GoXLR-like physical layout (faders) and expanded IO. Along with the killer DSP on this thing that could be a perfect All-in-one solution for Streaming
Yeah surely this is on the cards. Or at the very least a desktop box with two XLR combos + stereo line input (and maybe 3.5 headset also - unless that's switchable on one of the combos)
What are the advantages of this over the io24? Aside from the smaller size
The 44 has a line input and a gamer headset (trrs) input as well as a xlr/instrument combi input. The 22 only has 2 combi inputs
For these crossover gamer/streamer/work from home use targeted products, WHY isn't hardware microphone mute option an obvious addition? In fact, I don't care if all other controls are software and there's just a big mute button. For this reason, I'm sticking with the Wave XLR but I do find VSTs occasionally broken and needing a complete reinstall/setup, which is annoying. I switch the device between two PCs so that likely has something to do with it, and is why on-device storage would be nice.
Agree.
Hard agree, to the point that I added a mute to my stream deck. It’s SO important!!
Given PreSonus's background with music production gear, having the button be a monitor mute (not actually a headphone mute as EposVox suggested) makes a lot of sense as that's a really common need in a mixing room. Then again, they also market it as great for DJs and I can't think of any reason why a DJ would want to mute the speakers instead of, say, their headphones. If it's not hardwired, maybe they can make it adjustable in software one day.
@@nickglover Well, than they should stick with the music costumers and don’t promote it to people that need to do professional conferencing. There are not enough hands for an appropriate face palm given that muting and unmuting yourself is now formally established as “good manners” since 2020. For me: I’ve bought the io44 to use with my iPad and dynamic mic for video conferencing - figured out that the mute button doesn’t do anything on that USB audio interface - can’t reach to my iPad on the wall; so I’ll send this back and probably use the wave Xlr (if nobody has better ideas for an XLR usb interface with onboard DSP?). Rather have no DSP but appropriate user focus 🤷🏻♂️ 😪
I hope they update the software to allow changing the mute button to mute the mic. Can presets be made to act as a mute?
question does this sync audio and video
Can I ask a question? Between IO24 and IO44, which is better in terms of Noise Floor/Background Noise?
Excellent video as always, Prof.
Does this have something that the io24 doesn't? Other than being smaller. I can get the bigger io24 cheaper than this smaller unit.
Why there's no DP capture card till the date except Datapath Vision SC-DP2 ? It's been more than 6 years.
Apparently too costly to manufacture and it's still far more niche (thus more limited sales) than HDMI and there's no way to convert modern spec HDMI to DP so it would be useless for HDMI users
does the mute button also mute the main out? you mentioned it mutes the headphones, but you also mentioned that you use headphones through the main output on a separate audio device. I could see using this button to mute speakers while i'm using headphones if it mutes main only.
It mutes both headphones AND monitors
You got eyeliner going on? I don't know if it's that or the lighting but eyes are looking fressshhhh
Great video!! 🙌🏻 I'm gonna use it solely for guitar practice with some amps sim. So I don't think I ever use those fat channel effects... It's worth getting one or am I better with a more traditional interface?
word. really think I'll be picking one of these up.
Hey bro, did you test it with LatencyMon app?
So quick question: io44 or io24?
Great video but it threw up a question for me. I was very interested in the Beacn Mix Create, when I first heard about it. I’ve followed your journey with the mic and seen some of the issues with the company, including availability.
I used to use Voicemeter as a software mixer but with the latest round of gear for streamers giving you more flexibility; Is there something else out there you would recommend over & above the Mix create, so I could mix my audio tracks separately & have that physical control?
So it’s like the focus right scarlet?
Love the content. Do you have a tutorial on how to get the "vhs tracking look" to your videos? I love that.
The way you use Glitch Art in that video is phenomenal 😍
Thanks!
I wonder if they'll make it so it remembers the channel mute setting in hardware so we don't get deafened by the feedback for the time that the mic is active before the system boots for Universal Control to mute the mic (on the main output).
@03:27 I think Julian Krause likes to disagree :D
If I can get either the iO24 or iO44 for the same price, which is better?
The one with a second XLR plug so you could record a conversation or record in stereo or two record a friend with her guitar or...
I feel like I'm going insane here. I even got Sweetwater to send out a replacement and I still have the exact same noise issues with mine (provided the gate is off, obviously). Really hesitant to ask for another replacement, but yours really does seem much cleaner. So weird. But thanks for humoring me and including a very specific test in there so I can hear for myself.
Edit: You know, I can't believe it, but I plugged it into a different computer and there is significantly less noise. I've tried different ports, different cables, everything, just something about the one laptop causes problems.
Sounds like a power management issue with the laptop MOBO. Very unusual given the sensitivity compared to other types of PC's
Yeah, it's super weird. I remember way back in the day, we were always supposed to turn off wifi when recording because of power management problems, but this is something else. Oh well, FetHead works around it so I can figure it out later. Having said that, other interfaces don't have the problem, so it seems like there's still something about the io44 that's not quite right.
There's a review here : ruclips.net/video/Tb6Xg6mqBuc/видео.html that shows your issue. It's not shielded against hf interference. Often given off by class D amplification and other common household equipment, even computers
I've got to say, as the stream professor, you already had great production quality, before... but lately, everything from compression quality to AV (a given), to some of the more practical effects in the talking head (I would need a whole pit crew working on me to look that good under those lights) are just top tier. Network TV should have you on speed-dial, the next time they need to figure out how to record as a one-man band. I knew that already, but if anybody didn't, here's your demo reel.
Can you do a video explaining the difference between the io44 and io24 thank you
one is smaller and one less mic input
1:55 just comment is relevatory for some of us who have been trying to diagnose electric static on even just USB bus based audio devices for the longest time. For example the behringer UMC 202 or it's HD cousin have Midas preamps and are often lauded for their decent it's a pretty good performance for $100 or so, but especially when using phantom power, that USB bus electrical hum is how to get rid of. Do you mean that DSPs eliminate this issue? I have esoteric needs for D&D live voice overs even during private calls and I added a cloudlifter not because I couldn't power the microphone I use but because of my niche needs, and the electrical hum is unbearable.
This won't do anything for EMI pickup. And i have a hard time imagining that the hum actually comes from USB at all, why do you believe that to be the case specifically.
Is this better than the GO XLR mini
Gee, might have to check the part where I compare it to the Wave XLR and GoXLR Mini in the video!
boggles my mind why the mute button was not for the mic
YOOOOO did that person ever get the stream deck plug in finished?? That's huge.
I assume that when using the beacon mix your just bypassing UC? Or is there some integration I missed? (I’m using a Mix Create fwiw.)
Bypassing the UC mixing, yes
I need a tutorial to make me understand how this and an XLR mic work with a DAC/amp headphone setup for a complete audio solution for streaming... I would never use the headphone out on a mic or an XLR interface.
Hi Epos.
It is worth mentioning that if you are in the Presonus ecosystem and own Fat Channel Volume 1 for use in your DAW, you can not use these Fat Channel plugins on the Universal Control system and, by extension, on your Revelator products. This is a pet peeve of mine for the Revelator line of gear.
I own both the Revelator Condenser usb mic AND the io24. I also bought the Fat Channel Collection vol 1, years ago. I have currently been spending the last four days trying to get it the interface sorted because the remote app (UC Remote) won't connect to wither the Revelator Mic AND the IO24.
Would you recommend replacing my goxlr mini with an io44 if I just use it for general audio routing and discord? I can't stand the mini's dsp and software in general anymore, and I'm ok with only having a software mute "button". I'd probably end up running 60 dB (currently 63 dB on mini) of gain on my Rode Procaster (regardless of distance) since I'm a fairly quiet speaker, even for a relatively deep (gravelly/rumbly? a lot of the time, but not always) voiced male, but I'd also most likely use the LA2A emulation and potentially extra level, if needed, on the mic fader to make up for it, instead of max gain, but it really depends how much I can get before even getting to that step.
no
I'm loving these products
I did get the Revelator Dynamic and I thank you for the review for it. But the one thing that I thought about, IF I went into having another mic on standby while simultaneously just have a decent interface for a side headset when I'm not using the Dynamic, would this pair well or better to just look at pairing with, say the Create for control?
Awesome detailed review. This can be a fantastic replacement to my Scarlett 2i2.
4:08 I beg to differ, that was very noticeably louder
Nice! Great Job! Thank you!
Side note: the PreSonus gear is fully functional on Mac. Most of the other devices aren’t.
Hey @eposvox have you checked out the Zoom Livetrak series? These mixers are so good and versatile!
I love the changes you've made in this video. The intro was awesome and the lighting really compliments your eyes.
Great stuff! Totally agree on the weird mix of professional and streaming audio begin the culprit of terrible control. Have you ever had decent luck importing from Thomann? The EU doesn’t have MAP so pricing is pretty loose, but shipping and import fees usually make the price over the what it is in the states once everything is said and done.
I haven’t but like 10 or so members of my discord have bought the Mini from them. Usually fast shipping, no added fees
European here with nothing than the best to report about my experiences with Thomann. Obviously no experience with importing to the US.
Noise suppression!
That's all that is missing. Well, the connector layout is crazy but I agree with "who cares?" because I'm never going to touch those anyway.
So I hope you're listening, Presonus! Get noise suppression onto this things DSP and you'll officially be the very first on the market to have everything streamers like me need!
I'll hope off my WaveXLR right away for this if it gets noise suppression and it's good.
In case they're reading, OBS implements denoiser based on Speex DSP (maintained by Xiph), which is under a BSD-style license which is usable for commercial products.
That in turn is based on Ephraim-Malah algorithm, a classic from around 1986.
Their new AI noise suppressor RNNoise is also maintained by Xiph and also under the same license.
Hey Epos did you get much USB crunch with the revelator dynamic? I’m thinking of buying it. Thanks again your content is so helpful!!
But will anyone every make an audio interface with two individually mixed headphone jacks with ~0 latency monitoring of two microphones? So far the closest is a 1000 usd rack mounted 40+ channel mixer.
Holy Crap that’s a cool thing. It might even be the one I need!
I wish RUclips had gfx options like games do so I could turn off the bloom.
what for? use voicemeeter and vban and be golden.
latency is really really really low, quality is native 32bit/48khz+ pcm streams adn run input output over one pc to a decent xlr setup
Voicemeter and vban is not an audio interface….
Voicemeter and virtual cables are great... when they actually work. Having a hardware dsp is always more reliable than just using software.
Just for the cable placement I wouldn't buy it. It's already anoying enough on my focusrite 2i2 that not everything is on the back. At least it isn't as bad as a 3x hdmi switch I stumbled upon recently though, input and 3 outputs all on a different side. There should be some law against that. -_-
The revelator is now $129 🎉
Which revelator? It is the name of a series.
@@HarmonicaTool Sorry. The same one featured in the video. The io44
It is a real shame these interfaces are simply not designed for desktop use. I think you got it right with the analysis of their marketing material, they show a DJ using this between his music gear, and that is what they designed this to be used for. I can't use this at a desk. I am kind of stuck using GoXLR Minis right now even though I hate the GoXLR software just because the TC Helicon stuff features microphone mute buttons on them. I have no idea why PreSonus has a headphone mute button instead of microphone mute. I don't even know what the use case for that is for headphone mute. I would really love to switch over to a Revelator interface but the lack of microphone mute is a hard deal breaker for me.
Maybe gain toggle down to 0dB and back could be a hacky solution 🤔
That’s pretty neat
Off topic, but I love the cartoon network t-shirt
they need to add hotkeys for muting channels/submixes
He is definitely wearing mascara... not that theres anything wrong with it.. just pointing it out.
noticed it as well, it's cool he's comfortable doing it, not many males are. same thing with nail polish
Shout out to your barber!
You refer to Optical being useful for game consoles - but no console made in the last 5 years, has optical as an option anymore.
A lot of people are still on last Gen, HDMI optical extractors are easy options and common for other setups, and many TVs or AVRs have an optical out
i was getting poppy playtime vibes from that opening
While you and Harris often overlap in your coverage - often releasing embargo lifted reviews within minutes of each other; for some reason, his entire channel is devoid of anything Presonus. The onboard DSP is a game changer and I'm surprised most other manufacturers of USB mics or audio interfaces haven't jumped on the bandwagon. The Revelator products not only have more than serviceable onboard DSP for streaming, these are also great for pro audio. In such a short time, we've come a long way from a rack of 5 external boxes, each with over a dozen knobs, to something that is built into an interface or mic. For those who want different plug-ins, they can always be added in post. But for live monitoring with DSP with minimal latency, so far the onboard DSP is the only easy way I know. The old trick was to have effects in an insert loop that the performer would hear, but only print the dry signal to tape. This Presonus solution is great for two different camps who like to record completely dry signals to tape and add everything in post (generally North America) or those that like to record signals with some effects already, then enhance those in post (generally European).
This is the only device worth using for us single podcaster or voice over people…
That line in is the only thing i hate about this thing, just 1 channel man! just one with all those features and a good mute button!
almost perfect, and what blows my mind this is the only device with theses features, i hate 2 channels audio interface.
SWEETWATER
Don't buy budget presonus gear ever, their QC is shakey
it's a shame
Exactly same video as Nebula. Why pay when you can watch it for free? Will write to Nebula.
…not every video has an extended cut. I’m a one man show and can’t sustain that. But plenty of videos do (as marked with the Nebula+ symbol in the video list) as well as dedicated Nebula exclusive videos - which plenty more are coming this quarter - etc. I never said this specific video had more on the Nebula version.
@@EposVox Bro, I am not blaming you for anything over here. I singed up today with Nebula and thought it was a rip off. You are doing a great job.