Absolutely brilliant, and well-researched review! The chart with the run-times at various amps is literally gold in a single screen and represents hours and hours of work. Thank you!
YYYYYEAAAHHH!!! Wow. Didn't think it'd be that much better than the 6.0. But obviously, at anything above 10ah draw, it's markedly superior, and not far off below 10a. Best battery test on YT IMO. Wonderful way to express the information. Cheers. The difference in cooling could be because the new cells vent heat more effectively internally, that would explain the hotter Exterior readings.
As someone looking to upgrade from my tired old 1.5 and 3.0xc batteries this was the only video i could find that compared all the batteries, thank you. my 2 cents, The 2.5 HO looks to be the clear driving force for this change as you get real output benefits over the compact 3.0. It becomes less exciting as you move into the big packs where if you don't mind a small loss in power on hungry tools the 4.0s are probably the best value battery they have for most people at $ 50 currently. if you can't get it done with 2 of those hot swapped you probably need to go to bigger tools
Can't believe someone does decent battery testing anymore. You got a patreon or something, because you just saved me a couple of bucks for not buying 3.0 batteries. ;) Edit: Wait why did the 3.0 do so much better than in your last comparison? Edit2: I just found the answer, it was a fake one.
Where is the M12 tool performance test you described at the end of this vid? Great comparison. Thanks for making an unbiased, data-based comparison. Still not clear which is the ‘better’ battery for extended use in a 3/8” stubby impact. Currently have a 4.0 and a 2.0. Can’t decide which to get next.
Right here ruclips.net/video/_XUYeFqlLGc/видео.html No problem! I call it how I see it. I like the 5.0, max power and you can easily stand the tool up. Hope to test impacts with different battery's at some point if the tester I ordered ever gets here... I think TTC did a video with the new batteries as well.
I’m really curious what impact this has on brushless tools. A brushless motor controller can effectively increase the current draw to achieve the same target speed. On a brushed tool with an open loop PWM motor controller, I’d expect the tool to slow down when the voltage drops. But on a brushless, I wouldn’t be surprised to see no difference.
Yeah it will be interesting to see if there is truly any difference and then how much. Like we discussed I need to build an adapter so I can measure the actual amp draw of tools.
Did you manage to meausre the voltage drop under 15A load after 5s like you did with the other batteries? I found that comparison very useful last time. There's one particular tool - the right angle impact wrench - I just bought that Torque Test Channel found is stronger on the XC6.0 than on the XC4.0 or smaller batteries, presumably because that 6.0 had the least voltage drop of those batteries he tested it with. Now the HO 5.0 is available I'm wondering which battery to buy for maximum performance on this tool that's capable of pulling relatively high current. I'm not really concerned about run times or temps as it's a short burst tool in my use.
@@Tools-Tested Aw, that's a shame but never mind. I went for the HO 5.0 in the end, figuring the better physical construction might still be beneficial whether or not the cells give more power over an XC 6.0 to my tool. It was the most expensive M12 battery but pay once, cry once! I really like your approach to battery testing, and I hope your channel sees similar success to TTC. It deserves to. When that happens, maybe you could monetise it by selling spreadsheets with all the batteies ranked according to your measured performance :) It would be interesting to see the componenet cells for each pack, for each brand in that spreadsheet too..
The higher the capacity of the cells the lower the max power/ amp out put. Higher capacity cells also only have higher capacity only with a lowered amp draw. A 30amp constant load test is pushing the m12 6ah battery to the max. The Samsung 30q cells are only rated to put out 15 amps max so 2 sets in the 6ah means 30amps max. As the high output 5.0ah is not even sweeting it on a 30 amp Load. The Samsung 25s cells are rated at 25amps so 2 sets means the new m12 high output 5.0ah is good to 50amps of continuous amp draw. Thanks for all your test that pretty much confirms this.
Nice test. Where did you get the temperature number for the chart at 3:09? I didn't see a temperature probe attached during the discharge test. The internal thermistor?
Is there that much of a significant performance bump from the XC 6.0 vs HO 5.0? Maybe I’m missing something but I didn’t really see any major differences. Another 30sec to a minute of runtime? Does that have any practical real life impact?
Only with certain tools will you see a boost. Defiantly a difference when using them in the drills from my testing ruclips.net/video/8U_wVnSdY4M/видео.html
Thanks for the video. How many Amps does the m12 right angle die grinder draw please? Trying to decide whether i should go with the 5.0 HO or the 6.0 battery. Price difference is only around £10 difference
I can’t say how much it draws I’m actually working on a adapter to monitor the amp draw. But I would still buy the 5 if it’s only that much more, that way if u need the amps it can handle it better.
I haven’t watched it but TTC tested the 5.0 in a impact ruclips.net/video/blz17nr-AeM/видео.html I’m not currently setup to properly test impacts. Hopefully in a few months though.
Yeah thats correct, 3,000mah @ 1amp. So I would expect that capacity if I only pulled an amp. High amp draw will reduce the capacity bc of the heat generated due to resistance.
Truth to tell I don't see any difference between 6.0 and new 5.0. If price on 5 will be the same as 6, then yes, it's better to buy newer technology, but if it will be 30, 40 $ more, 6.0 will be my choice
@@Tools-Tested with current tool deals at homedepot," buy this tool, get one free" this 6.0 batteries are selling for about 60-70 dollars in package with a tool
@@2hotscottpro The 13mm hammer drill and the circ saw when they approach stall. If you understand a bit of electronics you will know that power and current are proportional. So if you limit voltage sag (by using the best cells) you will automatically increase current flow. If you then multiply the current x voltage you will find BIG increases in wattage, which is power or work done.
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Absolutely brilliant, and well-researched review!
The chart with the run-times at various amps is literally gold in a single screen and represents hours and hours of work. Thank you!
Thanks! Yep it took a good about of time to collect the data.
No problem!
YYYYYEAAAHHH!!! Wow. Didn't think it'd be that much better than the 6.0. But obviously, at anything above 10ah draw, it's markedly superior, and not far off below 10a. Best battery test on YT IMO. Wonderful way to express the information. Cheers. The difference in cooling could be because the new cells vent heat more effectively internally, that would explain the hotter Exterior readings.
Thanks! Yeah I wasn't expecting much, but the 5.0 from this test wins at high amp loads. Good point on temp.
Thank you for the review! Appreciate your time. I was going to purchase another 6.0 but now i am purchasing a 5.0 thanks to your video!
No problem! Glad I could help!
Thank you for the video! $99 for 5.0ah HO and 2.5ah HO plus charger is pretty good deal going in Home Depot now
No problem! yep that a good deal.
Awesome video! Great to see some real world numbers.
Thanks!
As someone looking to upgrade from my tired old 1.5 and 3.0xc batteries this was the only video i could find that compared all the batteries, thank you.
my 2 cents, The 2.5 HO looks to be the clear driving force for this change as you get real output benefits over the compact 3.0. It becomes less exciting as you move into the big packs where if you don't mind a small loss in power on hungry tools the 4.0s are probably the best value battery they have for most people at $ 50 currently. if you can't get it done with 2 of those hot swapped you probably need to go to bigger tools
No problem! Glad you found it useful. Yeah 2.5 is a good boost with compact size.
Can't believe someone does decent battery testing anymore. You got a patreon or something, because you just saved me a couple of bucks for not buying 3.0 batteries. ;)
Edit: Wait why did the 3.0 do so much better than in your last comparison? Edit2: I just found the answer, it was a fake one.
Sadly I don't have one set up, I probably should though.
Yeah I cant believe the first 3.0 I had was fake, they did a good job copying it.
Where is the M12 tool performance test you described at the end of this vid?
Great comparison. Thanks for making an unbiased, data-based comparison. Still not clear which is the ‘better’ battery for extended use in a 3/8” stubby impact. Currently have a 4.0 and a 2.0. Can’t decide which to get next.
Right here ruclips.net/video/_XUYeFqlLGc/видео.html
No problem! I call it how I see it.
I like the 5.0, max power and you can easily stand the tool up. Hope to test impacts with different battery's at some point if the tester I ordered ever gets here...
I think TTC did a video with the new batteries as well.
Good day everyone!!!!
I’m really curious what impact this has on brushless tools. A brushless motor controller can effectively increase the current draw to achieve the same target speed.
On a brushed tool with an open loop PWM motor controller, I’d expect the tool to slow down when the voltage drops. But on a brushless, I wouldn’t be surprised to see no difference.
Yeah it will be interesting to see if there is truly any difference and then how much. Like we discussed I need to build an adapter so I can measure the actual amp draw of tools.
Did you manage to meausre the voltage drop under 15A load after 5s like you did with the other batteries? I found that comparison very useful last time.
There's one particular tool - the right angle impact wrench - I just bought that Torque Test Channel found is stronger on the XC6.0 than on the XC4.0 or smaller batteries, presumably because that 6.0 had the least voltage drop of those batteries he tested it with. Now the HO 5.0 is available I'm wondering which battery to buy for maximum performance on this tool that's capable of pulling relatively high current. I'm not really concerned about run times or temps as it's a short burst tool in my use.
No sadly not for M12, this was one of the videos before I started recording that.
@@Tools-Tested Aw, that's a shame but never mind. I went for the HO 5.0 in the end, figuring the better physical construction might still be beneficial whether or not the cells give more power over an XC 6.0 to my tool. It was the most expensive M12 battery but pay once, cry once!
I really like your approach to battery testing, and I hope your channel sees similar success to TTC. It deserves to. When that happens, maybe you could monetise it by selling spreadsheets with all the batteies ranked according to your measured performance :) It would be interesting to see the componenet cells for each pack, for each brand in that spreadsheet too..
The higher the capacity of the cells the lower the max power/ amp out put. Higher capacity cells also only have higher capacity only with a lowered amp draw. A 30amp constant load test is pushing the m12 6ah battery to the max. The Samsung 30q cells are only rated to put out 15 amps max so 2 sets in the 6ah means 30amps max. As the high output 5.0ah is not even sweeting it on a 30 amp Load. The Samsung 25s cells are rated at 25amps so 2 sets means the new m12 high output 5.0ah is good to 50amps of continuous amp draw.
Thanks for all your test that pretty much confirms this.
Yep, the 5.0 is a winner for high amp loads!
No problem!
Nice test. Where did you get the temperature number for the chart at 3:09? I didn't see a temperature probe attached during the discharge test. The internal thermistor?
Thanks!, I also used the terminal camera to get this temperature number.
When you pull them apart what is the plastic designation stamped on the inside of the housing?
So the HO 5.0 is better than a regular 6.0 same as the HO 2.5 being better than the smaller 3.0 regular ?
Yep from this test and the drill test I just did the other day.
Is there that much of a significant performance bump from the XC 6.0 vs HO 5.0? Maybe I’m missing something but I didn’t really see any major differences. Another 30sec to a minute of runtime? Does that have any practical real life impact?
Only with certain tools will you see a boost.
Defiantly a difference when using them in the drills from my testing ruclips.net/video/8U_wVnSdY4M/видео.html
Thanks for the video. How many Amps does the m12 right angle die grinder draw please? Trying to decide whether i should go with the 5.0 HO or the 6.0 battery. Price difference is only around £10 difference
I can’t say how much it draws I’m actually working on a adapter to monitor the amp draw. But I would still buy the 5 if it’s only that much more, that way if u need the amps it can handle it better.
Would the new 5.0 h.o. be best choice for M12 right angle impact?? 2564-20 & 2565-20.. Thanks
I haven’t watched it but TTC tested the 5.0 in a impact ruclips.net/video/blz17nr-AeM/видео.html
I’m not currently setup to properly test impacts. Hopefully in a few months though.
hmm i thought that 3.0 ah meant 3,000mah or am i not understanding something here
Yeah thats correct, 3,000mah @ 1amp. So I would expect that capacity if I only pulled an amp. High amp draw will reduce the capacity bc of the heat generated due to resistance.
Serious question, are there any m12 tools that actually draw 30a continuous? If so which ones?
Yeah two I know of is the vacuum and the circular saw.
Looking for a vid on runtimes. 5.0 ho vs 6.0
Times are in this video.
@@Tools-Tested ty, missed it somehow. Ty sir
Truth to tell I don't see any difference between 6.0 and new 5.0. If price on 5 will be the same as 6, then yes, it's better to buy newer technology, but if it will be 30, 40 $ more, 6.0 will be my choice
Yeah right now they are the same price @ $119, but I'm guessing the 6.0 might drop in price.
@@Tools-Tested with current tool deals at homedepot," buy this tool, get one free" this 6.0 batteries are selling for about 60-70 dollars in package with a tool
Did you try watching the video?? I saw a great difference under load, and being a 25s samsung it will only be better at 40+ amps.
What needs 40+ amps that’s an m12 tool?
@@2hotscottpro The 13mm hammer drill and the circ saw when they approach stall. If you understand a bit of electronics you will know that power and current are proportional. So if you limit voltage sag (by using the best cells) you will automatically increase current flow. If you then multiply the current x voltage you will find BIG increases in wattage, which is power or work done.