@@GrubKiller436 This have to be bait, you cannot define the love of women with those two descriptions you gave, it sounds so resentfull and with a view of women very grim, im sorry you did not have a nice experiencie with a loving woman, but their love is not trasnaction neither conditional. The "love" of some people maybe, but not everyone and is not a characteristic of a gender.
Think about it: if the man had no love from his mother, he had to learn to love himself as a replacement. Now he experiences women as incapable of loving which furthers his own investment in himself. Narcissism, at the end of the day, is a depleted self that is little nourished from parental love. Narcs parents have their own autoerotic tradition they keep passing on.
This is why i tell people to read religious stuff through metaphore, this shit is literally that sin they talk about that gets passed from parents to kids...
I have watched so many philosophical videos on the internet, but absolutely none of them came close to explaining it in plan english this well. Thanks for sharing.
This showed up in my feed at the right time. The internet and mobile phones can bring me much needed teachings of being a loving man, from a woman teacher I had never heard of.
At 1:46 to the end, she mentions that as soon as the transformation starts to take place, other men with an undeveloped anima will try to keep the woman to themselves as an object, which leads to the tendecies of relapsing. Does that mean that as a man struggles to transform his anima, so should the woman be conscious of this transformation in order to know when she is becoming the object of another man's ideal romanticisms and autoerotic fantasies? That is for a stable relationship to be found.
I believe she is referring to an internal struggle. As you said, she is talking about what happens as soon as the transformation starts to take place. The transformation is not complete, and the "new" or "transformed" aspect of self has not yet been developed to a capacity where it can reliably or conclusively fend off the defenses and maneuvers of the underdeveloped (yet overly-empowered) anima.
@@haitiankid9456 I would counter it consciously. If we leave these two forces in the unconscious or subconscious, the underdeveloped, over-empowered anima will persist as the path of least resistance - imagine a trail that is walked upon often and is therefore tame and walkable - while the new, transformed aspect will be absorbed into the anima - and, in being absorbed, what is "new" and "transformed" will be re-interpreted as false, merely a part of the "old" "bad" self (an interpretation that is false in itself). By maintaining a deliberate effort to bring the new, transformed aspects into consciousness and hold them there, we level the playing field. Eventually, this levelling of the playing field will lead the new and transformed aspects of self to become empowered and developed within the subconscious, to the point that the old ways are no longer automatic.
I would like to ask her about women , in particular whether she agrees with the old adage : 'The man desires the woman, the woman desires the mans desire.'
Or she'll only see herself as valid if desired. There's a great book called Women and Desire: Beyond Wanting to Be Wanted by Polly Young-Eisendrath @@kirstinstrand6292
She demands it first thing. There are no negotiations on this in my experience. Even if your life will fall apart with one more minute of giving her attention.
& @scr scr Perhaps these books by Robert A. Johnson would help, esp 1-4; I've not read #5 (the URL takes you to a list of his books & their reviews): 1) "He: Understanding Masculine Psychology"; 2) "She: Understanding Feminine Psychology"; 3) "We: Understanding the Psychology of Romantic Love"; 4) "Lying with the Heavenly Woman: Understanding and Integrating the Feminine Archetypes in Men's Lives"; 5) "Owning Your Own Shadow: Understanding the Dark Side of the Psyche"; 5) "Transformation: Understanding the Three Levels of Masculine Consciousness". www.goodreads.com/author/list/6258.Robert_A_Johnson
Yeah not my fault, I was murdered, an unnatural death, and now I walk the earth in limbo until the werewolf's curse is lifted and I can stop compensating
I could never understand why my first husband was so crazy about me and held me to such high standards. I understand so much now. I always knew he just loved the idea of being in love with me and never could truly love me for who i was.
Did he have the ‘good mother’ he was looking for in you? I had the opposite issue, my mother was so narcissistic and mentally unstable and abusive I started out with little faith or trust in women’s affections. But when I met my wife, she was one of the first ‘peaceful’ women I met (modern technology has screwed up both sexes), and proposed after 3 months because she was complete opposite of my mother.
@@P46430He had a good mother and he had a lack of a father.Or an alpha figure. This created the mother complex in a way that made him withdraw inside himself into sexual fantasies.he became porn addicted and this robbs men of all masculinity bc they are being controlled by women and the man's desire. "A man who can't control his desires has no freedom."- Epictetus In jungs psychology, this explains a man's anima as not being able to get past stage 1 (eve) and stage 2( Helen) thus. I was only and could only be a sexual desire. Someone he loved the idea of being in love with. He couldn't get to stage 3 (mary) let alone stage 4 (Sophia) that would have taken too much shadow work on his behalf. Either someone is willing to look inward to the shadow to understand themselves and change or they aren't. He was in too deep to even get to that concept due to his constant sexual fantasies, porn addiction and I happened to fall into those categories for him. Nothing more, nothing less. Itade me feel sad and hallow inside bc I was more than a sexual fantasies or object.
@@P46430He had a good mother and he had a lack of a father.Or an alpha figure. This created the mother complex in a way that made him withdraw inside himself into sexual fantasies.he became porn addicted and this robbs men of all masculinity bc they are being controlled by women and the man's desire. "A man who can't control his desires has no freedom."- Epictetus In jungs psychology, this explains a man's anima as not being able to get past stage 1. (eve) and stage 2( Helen) thus. I was only and could only be a sexual desire. Someone he loved the idea of being in love with. He couldn't get to stage3 (mary) let alone stage4 (Sophia) that would have taken too much shadow work on his behalf. Either someone is willing to look inward to the shadow to understand themselves and change or they aren't. He was in too deep to even get to that concept due to his constant sexual fantasies, porn addiction and I happened to fall into those categories for him. Nothing more, nothing less. Itade me feel sad and hallow inside bc I was more than a sexual fantasies or object.
He had a good mom and a lack of a father or no alpha figure. This gave him the mother complex, thus he retreated into himself into a fantasy world. sexual fantasies and porn addiction. This made him unable to get in touch with his animus and it's full potential. This left him in stages 1(eve)and 2(helen) therefore making it impossible for him to get to the last 2 stsges of his anima: stage 3 (mary) let alone stage4 (Sophia) that would have taken too much shadow work on his behalf. Either someone is willing to look inward to the shadow to understand themselves and change or they aren't. He was in too deep to even get to that concept due to his constant sexual fantasies, porn addiction and I happened to fall into those categories for him. Nothing more, nothing less. It made me feel sad and hallow inside bc I was more than sexual fantasies or object. ( that was weird, idk what happened, but for some reason I had to break this up into 2 posts. It wouldn't apply the other half of my answer to you.) Huh🤷♀️
@ RUclips is weird with posts, I can’t even see what i wrote to you anymore lol. I’ve seen what you said about the porn addiction, it’s been as bad to men’s minds as what instagram/dating apps has done to women’s minds - both sexes are trapped in artificial fantasies that cut them off from the real world and genuine opposite sex interactions. I’ve got stories where I’ve seen some guys DEEP into porn addiction where it consumed their lives. It was crazy. But i see now it’s like drugs to some people, where they can freely access it 24/7 with their phones. In my situation i unconsciously used my ‘shadow’ (the un-dealt with rage I had growing up with my mother) into leaving my house at 18 for the military. It was the best/worst environment for someone like me. My anger made me an ideal leader in the military’s eyes, and they saw even when I was young-no matter the worst things they could yell and say to me, i never flinched - I heard worst from my mother at 7yrs old lol. But I paid the price. After 9/11, in the span of 2 years i almost died 3 times, but i never dealt with it. I buried and hid my PTSD for almost 10yrs and then i had to confront my ‘shadow’ fully - and it changed who I was and stripped me of most of what my previous personality was. I still have echoes of ‘that guy’, but after years of climbing away from ‘the pit’ (something truly terrifying I can’t explain but pushed me away from personal denial of my ‘shadow’- I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy and I can fully understand why some people would delete themselves if they had to live with ‘that’ most days) I feel freer and calmer, but lost a lot to get to the present. Lost my previous life and accomplishments, my identity, everything of who I was. But it was worth it to see what I can see now, and see how so many others are unconsciously trapped in their lives in various ways with their own ‘shadows’. But the frustration now is trying to explain it where you feel you’ve come back from a foreign country and trying to explain to others what you saw and went through that could help them, but you’re saying it in a foreign language they can’t understand. It’s a very isolating feeling but it does help give a sense of purpose to try everyday to figure out a way to make myself a better communicator of an extremely complex experience
Mystics in India have a saying that a man(gender) who achieves spiritual bliss or a certain metaphysical achievement becomes feminine by traits. So this checks out perfectly.
i have heard this too from western sources such as Jung. A man integrates his shadow and he gains feminine traits, more graceful, observant, caring for example.
I never seen spiritual or metaphysical woman ever …and i have never seen guru whos a woman or gay or i have never seen woman interested in those things
@@walkingwith_dinosaurs Oh, my. Here comes the science straw man again... You don't give a fuck about science. You just want to question other peoples meaningful experience 'cause you are an asshole.
Don't buy it. We all have fantasies about women because we've experienced something close to what we fantasize about. And this is all rooted in the desire to be connected. A man's way of connecting us sexual and we understand sexual bonding more than women do. And we are gaslit by granny here into believing that that component of ourselves is entirely selfish when it isn't. We don't have sex just for purely our own pleasure. For me, I receive the most pleasure when I know I'm pleasing her sexually and she wants to be with me. Because that's my job as a man is to pour my love into someone. And I'm not going to be shamed if sexual love is my favorite form. There's nothing wrong with it. I enjoy all other forms of love too but I'm allowed to pick and choose which ones I enjoy the most.
I think it's exactly the same for girls, they have a teen age crush. It's a way of going through the motions, or "playing at" a pretend relationship before a real one.
Men involuntarily project onto women an idealized image and expect them to live up to that standard, when the woman behaves differently they are dissapointed, heart broken, enraged sometimes, unaware that it was not the woman herself who let them down, but the image they had of her.
I believe this autoerotic love is very similar for the vast majority of the young (male and females) in the Collective West cultures. Only age and unhappy experiences allow for emotional growth. This is what I've learned and observed throughout my life. Young females are as driven towards sex as young men; both are driven by raging hormones - this is how humanity thrives and grows - it's biology.
every time I see someone writing such reflections and add something like "this is what I've learned and observed throughout my life" it feels like I'm reading an esoteric virgin hermit with no distinguishable character features
Then you don't love "her", but your "idea of her". Which is what the woman in the video is talking about. But it happens. I used to believe I was in love with my ex, but I never was. I was in love with the story I told myself of who she was. And when I finally woke up, I realized she never was that. That was liberating. I was finally able to move on.
Anima is such a powerful dark side that took my whole being to high level in the past month and this month. I been reading books in Anima and I am healing because I love my wife and I dont want that girl the Anima is projecting in me.
The point about relaxing into the old state is real. Its wave like, the tendancies shift between the new gold anima and the old black anima. Im yet to know the dreamer yet, but i suspect that once there is consciousness of the old patterns, they can be avoided in preference for the new evolved state.
Objective Object Objectify The Impuls comes from the warrior / hunter within men. I see this insane focus / target fixation in my young, uncastrated belgian shepherd. He's made to hunt.
@@Yetipfote Everyone objectifies everyone, women objectify men as well. In this underdeveloped society men have been the ones who had to have money and women have been the ones who had to have beauty, and relationships are mostly an exchange of those objectifications. It's very rare to find love in this society, because most people is incapable of real authentic love. Men see women as bodies and women see men as projects. Then there are few cases of both men and women who are on another level completely, when the spiritual power exceeds the power of the chemicals in our bodies we turn into Masters.
@@goodvibes1397 blabla spiritual power .... show me one single purely spiritual power without chemicals in our body. And please by the way define what "Love" is. Everybody talking as if they knew .... I NEVER heard a convincing definition ESPECIALLY from very "spiritual" persons. This is all elitist bull shit!
True. But, that’s the natural way of love relationship between men and women. Men who love women as you are describing, are the ones who experience unconditional love from women. The ones who have this developed ‘Anima’, as you are describing, experience a ‘savior’ kind of relationship with women. So this ‘anima’ is just a way of describing feminine men who will never experience unconditional love from women, and will always be considered as captain provider and savior, rather than a partner in love. They love passively, which isn’t appealing to women. This video seems old, if this woman gets back to this era, she will realize that she’s wrong, the ‘anima’ as she says, should not be developed. Men love actively, women love passively. This lady probably just experienced an alpha man, and became an alpha widow, she can’t get over the fact that she loved him so much unconditionally, but that wasn’t enough for him to stay with her.
Acting like that can't also happen the other way around. That's a lot of word salad to say: don't idolize your partner. The word salad is ridiculous, causes confusion, and causes a bunch of other people to create their own interpretations.
This is an extract of a bigger piece. Jungian analysis is not a casual subject. If you misrepresent it or misinterpret it out of your own ignorance, whose fault it is?
@@idratherstayanonimous7020 It is literally r3t@rd3d and is as far away from science or even real-world practicality as you can get, and yet you're acting otherwise. I am ignorant about pseudo-science made up of scrambled neologisms. Cool.
Yes there is. It's just not interpersonal love. Love is the love of everything because you've recognized your Self is the Self of everything, so to love everything is to love yourself and vice versa. Your "love" is my "attachment".
But not all women love to be loved, many want to be an object. And they love the “mewing” man. It is easy to be a philosopher than to love and be loved. Nowadays love is not mutually reciprocated and nonsense like this is the reason.
You come from a culture which treats women like an object and limit themselves to be slaves. No wonder you say this. Btw how many wives you got 3, 4 or 5 ?
@@auto6465you are the only one making sense among these comments, everything is relative. You'll stop the fantasy when you start facing your reality as it is than how you wish it to be. As human, one thing we already know and never learn to do is deceive ourselves. The brain is a master of deception, as the saying goes 'we are our worst enemy'.
A man's way of connecting is sexual and we understand sexual bonding more than women do. And we are gaslit by granny here into believing that that component of ourselves is entirely selfish when it isn't. We don't have sex just for purely our own pleasure. For me, I receive the most pleasure when I know I'm pleasing her sexually and she wants to be with me. Because that's my job as a man is to pour my love into someone. And I'm not going to be shamed if sexual love is my favorite form. There's nothing wrong with it. I enjoy all other forms of love too but I'm allowed to pick and choose which ones I enjoy the most.
To an extent, you're correct. But you should try to understand the female perspective, as well. In the start of relationships for women, they can be scared of the man. Unsure if he is a r-pist, unsure if he is simply using the woman for her body and may throw her away the moment he gets bored of sex with her. The woman is capable of reciprocating the sexual aspect of romance, but her primary concern is that she feels safe. A lot of men rush into sexual encounters (due to their fantasies of sex) and they're completely unaware of this aspect of things. Even if you are trying to make sure that she enjoys sex as well, the certainty of whether or not the relationship has a future may not be there. And they may pull away to avoid future heartbreak. You counteract this fear she may feel by actively participating in the other forms of love. It's about being empathetic and understanding of what may make the other person uncomfortable.
You are wrong. Male s*xual drive is entirely selfish. Men are responsible for over 90% of r*pe. Men often leave women who can't provide them sex due to serious illness like cancer. There are horror stories about men who literally came to hospitals to their dying wives in order to coerce them into performing sexual acts on them, despite their state. There are men who push wives to perform sexual acts shortly after giving birth, when they are not fully recovered yet. There are men who have HPV and other STDs and despite that they have sex with women and give it to them, a virus like HPV which can cause cervical cancer in women. Men who make female birth control ineffective on purpose or make holes in condoms because they want to force women into pregnancy. Men who coerce women into performing unpleasant sexual acts because they saw them in p*rn. I won't even mention that except treating women like free prostitutes, men also treat them as free domestic labour and mental health advisors. All that and they don't even like women as people, men only like and respect other men. Most men are literally parasites on women.
You're taking the term "autoerotic" a little too literally. It's not purely about physical sex in this context, but that a man may make love itself more of a condition of himself rather than a feeling towards a woman. Hence her example of the woman sensing the man courting her is really just emotionally indulging himself rather than genuinely expressing his true love for her as a woman. She makes a great distinction by saying that the woman isn't the subject of his love (like the woman as you may be referring to) but rather his "partner" he needs to feel himself in love, which means who she is isn't important, but that she's there to fulfill his desire to be in love is.
Your need to please a woman is completely self-centered and narcissistic. Its just another way to control. You want to give the illusion of being some sort of kind lover but its an act. Everything you've spouted off is new age feminist gobbledygook.
@@GuineaPig361 you can’t really agree with just one concept, it’s all true in parts. I see it everyday, daddy and mommy issues are part of what attacts people to one another. Some people aren’t self aware enough to even realise they have them or just don’t care.
That’s because there a lot of new age stupidness that has infiltrated Jungian camps . Von Franz is a direct disciple of Jung with her great contributions to analytical psychology.
Interesting. Im totally capable of being in love, but when it comes to sex, I feel gross and embarrassed to submit to women. As I've said for 40+ years, "REAL MEN DON'T BUST". or "real men say NO" to women.
@@dullknifefactory Thank you. For once, it's a pleasant surprise to not get trolled or shit on by nasty people. I appreciate it more than I could parlay on here. Namaste.
This is because your mother ridiculed and embarrassed you as the erotic natural wave swept over you. She pushed you away, giving a signal of "you should be attracted to this"
@@antonoko The problem with armchair philosophers like the person in this video is that their thinking doesn't come from experience. So they just generalize entire genders. So yes, they are wanking to their thoughts. A normal person would just say: don't idolize your partner. That's the difference.
This kind of thinking and framing of emotional and spiritual phenomena in terms of 'masculine' and 'feminine' is extremely flawed, the main cause of todays misunderstandings and 'animosity' amongst sexes and is wreaking havoc in modern western societies; it's also an expression of feminine 'narcissism'.
You realize that your last statement is framing emotional phenomenon in the same way you derided. A thing you said in your first scentence is bad. It makes sense considering that you seem to think these ideas are driving animosity between the sexes, when in reality it your own misunderstanding of the terms as well as why society has such animosity between sexes in the first place within modern western society. Thus that you have shown yourself to be a hypocrite, in that it is supposedly driving western society apart and is a flawed ideal, yet it is reasonable to use it to describe something. Why use the term feminine narcissism if you think the ideal of using those terms is bad unless you have some agenda. Double thinking, and double speak. I would really like to know how you think it is that it is wreaking havoc in western society because i am sure most of what you point to is a societal problem pinned to something entirely different.
pirangelloferretti3588. No, you poor ignorant fool. She is talking about the INNER self. All men must develop their feminine side. All women must develop their masculine side. In this way, we understand the opposite sex and can love with maturity and generosity. Read some basic books on psychology written by Jung. She was his pupil.
@@bulbo-the-hero What is really wreaking havoc is not unchecked ideals. It is pure interference in cultural norms, fueled by endocrine disruptors. Philosophy and psychology can only take you so far and are insufficient when it comes to grasping the problems western society faces.
Yes. She's essentially projecting her own superstitious beliefs stereotyping "femininity", a set of cognitive biases and assumptions which she's claiming possession over through correlating observed/learned patterns she was exposed to and now associates with women in her time onto women as mutually exclusive to them. Anima/Animus are both dangerously antiquated notions. There's no proof select behaviors, actions, and characteristics originate or are fixed in women or men inherently. These judgments only factor what they're aware of present tense. Mostly generalizing and ignoring environmental factors. It's sexism really. Imagine three children arrived individually at a movie theater to watch a film where knowledge of a skill is taught and past down from character to character on screen. One viewer may arrive when only a man is performing the skill. Would the first child assume women could also perform the skill? One viewer may arrive when they only perceive a woman learning the skill. Would that child assume men can learn the skill? One viewer may walk in after both the man and woman performed that skill and moved on. Would the last child be aware of the knowledge and skill that he/she did not see? This woman is arrogantly condescending men with her presumptuous rigid beliefs that assume men are limited to what she identifies as masculine traits and must LEARN what she considers feminine traits. Largely oversimplifying men and women in claiming "anima" is what provides men the equivalent of his capacity to express "real" love: which is beyond deceptive and actually a gross prejudice that I denounce as misandrist bigotry. She's stereotype threatening men and essentially taking credit for what makes us human by giving that over to women because of her biases. Glittering generalities are logical fallacies. Describing a "masculine" man whose obsessed by a woman as a man who cannot love a woman because of an underdeveloped feminine side is her admittance to being ignorant of men's subjective reality and unique perspective on women. In reality, yes, this is female narcissism as she is completely lacking in empathy for men since she stays in her perspective without ever considering men's perspective regarding attraction. This woman's emotional intelligence is underdeveloped.
Trash philosophy of grifters. We all know deep down if we're with someone because we love them or the hundreds of other excuses, men and women, BOTH use. Lol Next...
I agree 100%. Unfortunately I never had a sister, and I've always seen it as something that could've really helped me in my life. But the next best thing, is having loyal, supportive female FRIENDS 😊
@@xXxLPNo777xXx It's more my _perception._ I didn't accuse von Franz of being a racist. It's no more a projection than recognising a quite obvious sexual innuendo.
Mozart was also a financial and physical wreck and dead at 35. If he had of been more integrated within himself and society maybe he could have lived to be an old man. Maybe not as great a superstar but he could have been a great father grandfather and teacher to the next generation, who knows?
@@jakedee4117 Mozart's cause of death is unknown and therefore an inkblot. Your explanation reveals far more about yourself and your worldview than it does about Mozart.
@@sunkintree Just because we don't have a detailed modern forensic report and autopsy that doesn't mean that reasonable speculations can't be made. He was ill and in financial difficulties. My point is about the problems and dangers of a "Rock Star" lifestyle and a "better to burn out than to fade away' attitude. We can only see what Mozart has given us not what might have been. There is perhaps a feeling that every part of his life was necessary for him to have created what he did. But I don't think his early death and the early deaths of so many creative geniuses was necessary. It is likely that his creative powers would have declined as he aged that is very common but with a slower paced and more sensible lifestyle could have produced so much more. What effect could Mozart have had on the world as a teacher in his 50s, for example? The effects of a teacher can be infinite, there is no way of telling where they end.
@@jakedee4117 as far as I'm aware there was no "rock star lifestyle attitude" in Mozart's time. Mozart did not feel it necessary to uphold some tradition of rock stars, rather it appears more to me the natural inclination of any human being toward short-sighted sense pleasure and extravagant living when those opportunities are made available to us. As for his impact on the world should he have lived past his untimely death, it's pretty much guaranteed for a good classical composer to have improved over time rather than to degrade. Classical music allows for artists to improve well into old age, unlike popular music styles of the modern day which value youth, bombast and blind passion over skill and improvement. Even someone who lived as extravagantly as Mozart, my money is on our having lost a lot of great music he would have composed rather than assuming he would have degraded as time passed.
I guess this is what Nietzsche meant when he said that we are more in love with love than the beloved
And yet we love still.
Be grateful.
Better that than the "love" of women which is transactional and conditional.
@@GrubKiller436 Damn, who hurt you?
@@lucasfernandez3112 What did I say that makes you say that?
@@GrubKiller436 This have to be bait, you cannot define the love of women with those two descriptions you gave, it sounds so resentfull and with a view of women very grim, im sorry you did not have a nice experiencie with a loving woman, but their love is not trasnaction neither conditional. The "love" of some people maybe, but not everyone and is not a characteristic of a gender.
Think about it: if the man had no love from his mother, he had to learn to love himself as a replacement. Now he experiences women as incapable of loving which furthers his own investment in himself.
Narcissism, at the end of the day, is a depleted self that is little nourished from parental love. Narcs parents have their own autoerotic tradition they keep passing on.
This is why i tell people to read religious stuff through metaphore, this shit is literally that sin they talk about that gets passed from parents to kids...
Nope, women do not really love men the same way men love them, their love is conditional and temporal.
@krejziks3398 partly correct. Generational curses are real. But the Holy Bible is more than metaphor and allegory.
@@dontbothertoreply9755 it's not about men tho. It's about their child. And most, most likely do love their child unconditionally.
This is me. I grew up motherless. I am trying to work on it however....it's very lonely.
The woman this man loves, is always more beautiful and perfect from a distance.
I needed these videos when I was 17.
Me too! 😓 but better late than never, I suppose....
To be honest I was not ready at 17, the knowledge comes whenever you’re ready
So painfully true.
Well ... she's not WRONG
Devastating and liberating
I have watched so many philosophical videos on the internet, but absolutely none of them came close to explaining it in plan english this well. Thanks for sharing.
This showed up in my feed at the right time. The internet and mobile phones can bring me much needed teachings of being a loving man, from a woman teacher I had never heard of.
At 1:46 to the end, she mentions that as soon as the transformation starts to take place, other men with an undeveloped anima will try to keep the woman to themselves as an object, which leads to the tendecies of relapsing.
Does that mean that as a man struggles to transform his anima, so should the woman be conscious of this transformation in order to know when she is becoming the object of another man's ideal romanticisms and autoerotic fantasies? That is for a stable relationship to be found.
question is , why the woman relapsing when the man is changing having realistic acceptance of the woman
I believe she is referring to an internal struggle.
As you said, she is talking about what happens as soon as the transformation starts to take place. The transformation is not complete, and the "new" or "transformed" aspect of self has not yet been developed to a capacity where it can reliably or conclusively fend off the defenses and maneuvers of the underdeveloped (yet overly-empowered) anima.
@@MattSSPUstudenthow would you counter that
@@haitiankid9456 I would counter it consciously. If we leave these two forces in the unconscious or subconscious, the underdeveloped, over-empowered anima will persist as the path of least resistance - imagine a trail that is walked upon often and is therefore tame and walkable - while the new, transformed aspect will be absorbed into the anima - and, in being absorbed, what is "new" and "transformed" will be re-interpreted as false, merely a part of the "old" "bad" self (an interpretation that is false in itself). By maintaining a deliberate effort to bring the new, transformed aspects into consciousness and hold them there, we level the playing field. Eventually, this levelling of the playing field will lead the new and transformed aspects of self to become empowered and developed within the subconscious, to the point that the old ways are no longer automatic.
Straight to the comments
The movie 500 days of Summer comes to mind.
Damn….painful memory unlocked
I would like to ask her about women , in particular whether she agrees with the old adage :
'The man desires the woman, the woman desires the mans desire.'
Good observation. It’s like a mating dance between both projections ie the female animus and the male anima
Perhaps a female narcissist desires the man's desire because only then will he serve her.
Or she'll only see herself as valid if desired. There's a great book called
Women and Desire: Beyond Wanting to Be Wanted by Polly Young-Eisendrath @@kirstinstrand6292
I agree with this. The woman desires more than that. But she also desires that.
She demands it first thing. There are no negotiations on this in my experience. Even if your life will fall apart with one more minute of giving her attention.
Anyone who can suggest any source to check how to achieve the transformation from the black (primitive) Anima to the Golden Anima?
Being pure and building yourself on the concept of true love.
drop the needy part of yourself. do not want anything from woman, focus on being best version of yourself. enjoy the life, not the pleasures of it.
@@adsadsaddFQ exactly , being stoïc help you too.
& @scr scr Perhaps these books by Robert A. Johnson would help, esp 1-4; I've not read #5 (the URL takes you to a list of his books & their reviews): 1) "He: Understanding Masculine Psychology"; 2) "She: Understanding Feminine Psychology"; 3) "We: Understanding the Psychology of Romantic Love"; 4) "Lying with the Heavenly Woman: Understanding and Integrating the Feminine Archetypes in Men's Lives"; 5) "Owning Your Own Shadow: Understanding the Dark Side of the Psyche"; 5) "Transformation: Understanding the Three Levels of Masculine Consciousness".
www.goodreads.com/author/list/6258.Robert_A_Johnson
@@nicholasdipilla6993 "being stoic", key concept :D
This is amazing. I would love to see the full interview as well!
Aye. Agree. Full Interview please.
here it is ruclips.net/video/yXQTDTcup04/видео.html
@@callingallrunaways6008 :)
It's from a ten-hour series of MLvF doing dream analysis. The whole thing is up on RUclips.
I found it split in 4 parts in a RUclips channel called "Destructard".
Yeah not my fault, I was murdered, an unnatural death, and now I walk the earth in limbo until the werewolf's curse is lifted and I can stop compensating
Fascinating.
How do you develop your anima
Post that
Great content by the way keep it up
Record dreams and take note of female figures.
Meditation combined with a virtuous lifestyle and a burning love for Truth will awaken her.
@@ameliaboucher598 Yup. Dream-work is also very important.
Shes talking style and accent exactly same with jung
Swiss-South German accent is really strong. Dig up some audio footage of Einstein he talked like that too.
@@tictactoe101 you're right
No that's a dialect typical to a certain place .
I aspire for complete fusion between my male and female selves
I seek to nurture my inner child, and I will crush anything that means it harm
I love you and I'm with you ❤ Good luck
learn about nuclear fusion
Profound, takes much time to grow out of this but it can be done,
"the dreamer can successfully fight it off"
Do you know where I can find this interview in it’s entirety? Thank you 😁
It's a full audiobook
"The way of the dream" von Marie-Luise von Franz
I found it split in 4 parts in a RUclips channel called "Destructard".
But then how do you know when you’re really in love and not just in love with being in love? ( don’t say baby don’t hurt me, genuinely asking):
I could never understand why my first husband was so crazy about me and held me to such high standards. I understand so much now. I always knew he just loved the idea of being in love with me and never could truly love me for who i was.
Did he have the ‘good mother’ he was looking for in you? I had the opposite issue, my mother was so narcissistic and mentally unstable and abusive I started out with little faith or trust in women’s affections. But when I met my wife, she was one of the first ‘peaceful’ women I met (modern technology has screwed up both sexes), and proposed after 3 months because she was complete opposite of my mother.
@@P46430He had a good mother and he had a lack of a father.Or an alpha figure. This created the mother complex in a way that made him withdraw inside himself into sexual fantasies.he became porn addicted and this robbs men of all masculinity bc they are being controlled by women and the man's desire. "A man who can't control his desires has no freedom."- Epictetus
In jungs psychology, this explains a man's anima as not being able to get past stage 1 (eve) and stage 2( Helen) thus. I was only and could only be a sexual desire. Someone he loved the idea of being in love with. He couldn't get to stage 3 (mary) let alone stage 4 (Sophia) that would have taken too much shadow work on his behalf. Either someone is willing to look inward to the shadow to understand themselves and change or they aren't. He was in too deep to even get to that concept due to his constant sexual fantasies, porn addiction and I happened to fall into those categories for him. Nothing more, nothing less. Itade me feel sad and hallow inside bc I was more than a sexual fantasies or object.
@@P46430He had a good mother and he had a lack of a father.Or an alpha figure. This created the mother complex in a way that made him withdraw inside himself into sexual fantasies.he became porn addicted and this robbs men of all masculinity bc they are being controlled by women and the man's desire. "A man who can't control his desires has no freedom."- Epictetus
In jungs psychology, this explains a man's anima as not being able to get past stage 1. (eve) and stage 2( Helen) thus. I was only and could only be a sexual desire. Someone he loved the idea of being in love with. He couldn't get to stage3 (mary) let alone stage4 (Sophia) that would have taken too much shadow work on his behalf. Either someone is willing to look inward to the shadow to understand themselves and change or they aren't. He was in too deep to even get to that concept due to his constant sexual fantasies, porn addiction and I happened to fall into those categories for him. Nothing more, nothing less. Itade me feel sad and hallow inside bc I was more than a sexual fantasies or object.
He had a good mom and a lack of a father or no alpha figure. This gave him the mother complex, thus he retreated into himself into a fantasy world. sexual fantasies and porn addiction. This made him unable to get in touch with his animus and it's full potential. This left him in stages 1(eve)and 2(helen) therefore making it impossible for him to get to the last 2 stsges of his anima: stage 3 (mary) let alone stage4 (Sophia) that would have taken too much shadow work on his behalf. Either someone is willing to look inward to the shadow to understand themselves and change or they aren't. He was in too deep to even get to that concept due to his constant sexual fantasies, porn addiction and I happened to fall into those categories for him. Nothing more, nothing less. It made me feel sad and hallow inside bc I was more than sexual fantasies or object. ( that was weird, idk what happened, but for some reason I had to break this up into 2 posts. It wouldn't apply the other half of my answer to you.) Huh🤷♀️
@ RUclips is weird with posts, I can’t even see what i wrote to you anymore lol.
I’ve seen what you said about the porn addiction, it’s been as bad to men’s minds as what instagram/dating apps has done to women’s minds - both sexes are trapped in artificial fantasies that cut them off from the real world and genuine opposite sex interactions. I’ve got stories where I’ve seen some guys DEEP into porn addiction where it consumed their lives. It was crazy. But i see now it’s like drugs to some people, where they can freely access it 24/7 with their phones.
In my situation i unconsciously used my ‘shadow’ (the un-dealt with rage I had growing up with my mother) into leaving my house at 18 for the military. It was the best/worst environment for someone like me. My anger made me an ideal leader in the military’s eyes, and they saw even when I was young-no matter the worst things they could yell and say to me, i never flinched - I heard worst from my mother at 7yrs old lol. But I paid the price. After 9/11, in the span of 2 years i almost died 3 times, but i never dealt with it. I buried and hid my PTSD for almost 10yrs and then i had to confront my ‘shadow’ fully - and it changed who I was and stripped me of most of what my previous personality was. I still have echoes of ‘that guy’, but after years of climbing away from ‘the pit’ (something truly terrifying I can’t explain but pushed me away from personal denial of my ‘shadow’- I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy and I can fully understand why some people would delete themselves if they had to live with ‘that’ most days) I feel freer and calmer, but lost a lot to get to the present. Lost my previous life and accomplishments, my identity, everything of who I was. But it was worth it to see what I can see now, and see how so many others are unconsciously trapped in their lives in various ways with their own ‘shadows’. But the frustration now is trying to explain it where you feel you’ve come back from a foreign country and trying to explain to others what you saw and went through that could help them, but you’re saying it in a foreign language they can’t understand. It’s a very isolating feeling but it does help give a sense of purpose to try everyday to figure out a way to make myself a better communicator of an extremely complex experience
Mystics in India have a saying that a man(gender) who achieves spiritual bliss or a certain metaphysical achievement becomes feminine by traits. So this checks out perfectly.
i have heard this too from western sources such as Jung. A man integrates his shadow and he gains feminine traits, more graceful, observant, caring for example.
I have observed this. Interesting 🤔
I can agree this is true. Fully realized rather than polarized
I never seen spiritual or metaphysical woman ever …and i have never seen guru whos a woman or gay or i have never seen woman interested in those things
@@ilqar887 feminine not necessarily meaning a woman.
Pretty much us if we were a woman
Still the same no matter the container.
This is brutal. She just broke me down in 2 sentences.
How can that which is never lost be found?
You know psychoanalysis is not a science?
@@walkingwith_dinosaurs Oh, my. Here comes the science straw man again... You don't give a fuck about science. You just want to question other peoples meaningful experience 'cause you are an asshole.
Don't buy it. We all have fantasies about women because we've experienced something close to what we fantasize about. And this is all rooted in the desire to be connected. A man's way of connecting us sexual and we understand sexual bonding more than women do. And we are gaslit by granny here into believing that that component of ourselves is entirely selfish when it isn't. We don't have sex just for purely our own pleasure. For me, I receive the most pleasure when I know I'm pleasing her sexually and she wants to be with me. Because that's my job as a man is to pour my love into someone. And I'm not going to be shamed if sexual love is my favorite form. There's nothing wrong with it. I enjoy all other forms of love too but I'm allowed to pick and choose which ones I enjoy the most.
@@smokingcrab2290 Well, you sound like an expert... Who gives a fuck?
I think it's exactly the same for girls, they have a teen age crush. It's a way of going through the motions, or "playing at" a pretend relationship before a real one.
Somebody kindly break it down for me please ..
What exactly is she saying ?
"grow up"
Men involuntarily project onto women an idealized image and expect them to live up to that standard, when the woman behaves differently they are dissapointed, heart broken, enraged sometimes, unaware that it was not the woman herself who let them down, but the image they had of her.
I love von Franz's work in dream and fairy tale interpretation. It transfer to real life.
Where I can find the entire interview?
Look up The Way of the Dream. It's a series.
I wish I could do it right. It's all I want to do, and all I can't. No one deserves my flawed fixations.
That is exactly what your underdeveloped anima wants you to believe. Do not listen to her. That is self-pity
It’s seems like tempering that desire is a more accurate perspective than eliminating it altogether
Does anyone deserve anything?
Hm, ye human self, lets be more real than in the head i guess idk
Please upload full interview?
I found it split in 4 parts in a RUclips channel called "Destructard".
I believe this autoerotic love is very similar for the vast majority of the young (male and females) in the Collective West cultures. Only age and unhappy experiences allow for emotional growth. This is what I've learned and observed throughout my life. Young females are as driven towards sex as young men; both are driven by raging hormones - this is how humanity thrives and grows - it's biology.
The east is a bit different
Hormones... or daddy issues...
Is your attribution to Collective Western Culture because that is your only experience? Is anima different in other/Eastern cultures and if so... How?
every time I see someone writing such reflections and add something like "this is what I've learned and observed throughout my life" it feels like I'm reading an esoteric virgin hermit with no distinguishable character features
@@rohan1864 No distinguishable character features from yourself?
How do I improve?
You can have good results with hypnose humaniste.
Read a book by Dr. Carl Jung.
I didn’t start loving my wife until she left me. I love her now more, years later, than I did when we were together.
Then you don't love "her", but your "idea of her". Which is what the woman in the video is talking about. But it happens. I used to believe I was in love with my ex, but I never was. I was in love with the story I told myself of who she was. And when I finally woke up, I realized she never was that. That was liberating. I was finally able to move on.
Get help, really WTF?
The only really perfect love is one that gets away
Do you mean that you did not love her, when you got married?
Well I love mine less.
Anima is such a powerful dark side that took my whole being to high level in the past month and this month. I been reading books in Anima and I am healing because I love my wife and I dont want that girl the Anima is projecting in me.
Way too accurate 😮😮😮
"Love as a Passion", by Niklas Luhmann
This lady will be back
I'll be back
The point about relaxing into the old state is real. Its wave like, the tendancies shift between the new gold anima and the old black anima. Im yet to know the dreamer yet, but i suspect that once there is consciousness of the old patterns, they can be avoided in preference for the new evolved state.
We are just primates. All this overcomplication stems from thinking society is life. Life is life
Whos a primate?
Blah blah blah. I don’t want to hear another sick word out of sick people’s minds. Everything is too simple
Seems overly complicated
Society >>> the individual
Speak for yourself… You probably behave like a primate (food & sex dominating your thought) but HUMANS are obviously different than animals.
From my man's perspective, she clearly has no clear impression of the effects of testosterone.
Objective
Object
Objectify
The Impuls comes from the warrior / hunter within men.
I see this insane focus / target fixation in my young, uncastrated belgian shepherd. He's made to hunt.
A healthy man also objectifies women. But he's not bound and doesn't get played by it. He doesn't loses himself in it.
@@Yetipfote Everyone objectifies everyone, women objectify men as well. In this underdeveloped society men have been the ones who had to have money and women have been the ones who had to have beauty, and relationships are mostly an exchange of those objectifications. It's very rare to find love in this society, because most people is incapable of real authentic love. Men see women as bodies and women see men as projects. Then there are few cases of both men and women who are on another level completely, when the spiritual power exceeds the power of the chemicals in our bodies we turn into Masters.
@@goodvibes1397 blabla spiritual power .... show me one single purely spiritual power without chemicals in our body.
And please by the way define what "Love" is. Everybody talking as if they knew .... I NEVER heard a convincing definition ESPECIALLY from very "spiritual" persons.
This is all elitist bull shit!
@@goodvibes1397 The only definition which seems convincing for me is "I want you to feel good and I want me to also feel good"
True.
But, that’s the natural way of love relationship between men and women.
Men who love women as you are describing, are the ones who experience unconditional love from women.
The ones who have this developed ‘Anima’, as you are describing, experience a ‘savior’ kind of relationship with women.
So this ‘anima’ is just a way of describing feminine men who will never experience unconditional love from women, and will always be considered as captain provider and savior, rather than a partner in love.
They love passively, which isn’t appealing to women.
This video seems old, if this woman gets back to this era, she will realize that she’s wrong, the ‘anima’ as she says, should not be developed.
Men love actively, women love passively.
This lady probably just experienced an alpha man, and became an alpha widow, she can’t get over the fact that she loved him so much unconditionally, but that wasn’t enough for him to stay with her.
So how do I develop my anima as a young male?
Having supportive female friends (or a sister) helps a lot.
Basically just talk to women. Talk and listen. Get to know the female perspective.
Fuul video where
Look up The Way of the Dream. It's a series.
Acting like that can't also happen the other way around.
That's a lot of word salad to say: don't idolize your partner.
The word salad is ridiculous, causes confusion, and causes a bunch of other people to create their own interpretations.
This is an extract of a bigger piece. Jungian analysis is not a casual subject. If you misrepresent it or misinterpret it out of your own ignorance, whose fault it is?
@@idratherstayanonimous7020 It is literally r3t@rd3d and is as far away from science or even real-world practicality as you can get, and yet you're acting otherwise. I am ignorant about pseudo-science made up of scrambled neologisms. Cool.
BUT a latin woman was telling me the other day " You have to capture a mans imagination , once you can do that, it is a good thing."
Interesting stuff
Okay 🙇♀️🙇♀️
Does anyone know where I can find the full interview? The link in the bio no longer works
Look up The Way of the Dream. It's a series.
@@ElijahABrost Thank you!
And women are not in the same way even more than that?
It is surely the same for a woman.
If she hasn’t integrated her animus, yes.
@@annacoeptis No room for shaded areas then. Either male OR female? That`s too black and white to be realistic.
It's different for women. Women have in general a more developed feeling function. Their vices and let-downs come in other areas.
@ That’s true.
True… giving without expectations is love not always expectating without having intention of giving
There is no such thing as " real love ". That in itself is just a fantasy!
Yes there is. It's just not interpersonal love. Love is the love of everything because you've recognized your Self is the Self of everything, so to love everything is to love yourself and vice versa.
Your "love" is my "attachment".
Depends on what you mean by "real." Love is not physical, so I can never tell you if it exists in that sense. But it can make people's lives better.
But not all women love to be loved, many want to be an object. And they love the “mewing” man. It is easy to be a philosopher than to love and be loved. Nowadays love is not mutually reciprocated and nonsense like this is the reason.
Boomer
You come from a culture which treats women like an object and limit themselves to be slaves. No wonder you say this. Btw how many wives you got 3, 4 or 5 ?
@@auto6465you are the only one making sense among these comments, everything is relative. You'll stop the fantasy when you start facing your reality as it is than how you wish it to be. As human, one thing we already know and never learn to do is deceive ourselves. The brain is a master of deception, as the saying goes 'we are our worst enemy'.
So you thinking what women like instead of doing what's right for the development of the consciousness? Now that's beta
accidentally sounds kinda racist at the end
A man's way of connecting is sexual and we understand sexual bonding more than women do. And we are gaslit by granny here into believing that that component of ourselves is entirely selfish when it isn't. We don't have sex just for purely our own pleasure. For me, I receive the most pleasure when I know I'm pleasing her sexually and she wants to be with me. Because that's my job as a man is to pour my love into someone. And I'm not going to be shamed if sexual love is my favorite form. There's nothing wrong with it. I enjoy all other forms of love too but I'm allowed to pick and choose which ones I enjoy the most.
To an extent, you're correct. But you should try to understand the female perspective, as well. In the start of relationships for women, they can be scared of the man. Unsure if he is a r-pist, unsure if he is simply using the woman for her body and may throw her away the moment he gets bored of sex with her.
The woman is capable of reciprocating the sexual aspect of romance, but her primary concern is that she feels safe. A lot of men rush into sexual encounters (due to their fantasies of sex) and they're completely unaware of this aspect of things. Even if you are trying to make sure that she enjoys sex as well, the certainty of whether or not the relationship has a future may not be there. And they may pull away to avoid future heartbreak.
You counteract this fear she may feel by actively participating in the other forms of love. It's about being empathetic and understanding of what may make the other person uncomfortable.
You are wrong. Male s*xual drive is entirely selfish. Men are responsible for over 90% of r*pe. Men often leave women who can't provide them sex due to serious illness like cancer. There are horror stories about men who literally came to hospitals to their dying wives in order to coerce them into performing sexual acts on them, despite their state. There are men who push wives to perform sexual acts shortly after giving birth, when they are not fully recovered yet. There are men who have HPV and other STDs and despite that they have sex with women and give it to them, a virus like HPV which can cause cervical cancer in women. Men who make female birth control ineffective on purpose or make holes in condoms because they want to force women into pregnancy. Men who coerce women into performing unpleasant sexual acts because they saw them in p*rn. I won't even mention that except treating women like free prostitutes, men also treat them as free domestic labour and mental health advisors. All that and they don't even like women as people, men only like and respect other men. Most men are literally parasites on women.
You're taking the term "autoerotic" a little too literally. It's not purely about physical sex in this context, but that a man may make love itself more of a condition of himself rather than a feeling towards a woman. Hence her example of the woman sensing the man courting her is really just emotionally indulging himself rather than genuinely expressing his true love for her as a woman. She makes a great distinction by saying that the woman isn't the subject of his love (like the woman as you may be referring to) but rather his "partner" he needs to feel himself in love, which means who she is isn't important, but that she's there to fulfill his desire to be in love is.
no one who uses the word "gaslight" should ever be taken seriously
Your need to please a woman is completely self-centered and narcissistic. Its just another way to control. You want to give the illusion of being some sort of kind lover but its an act.
Everything you've spouted off is new age feminist gobbledygook.
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So what
..womens love is transactional and conditional..
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Even that won't be enough for a woman. Good luck!
Good luck trying to satisfy any human at all. Thats not what she was talking about.
I don't usually agree with this stuff, but this is an exception.
“This stuff” meaning?
@@morganroyalty4556 Applying symbolic Jungian terms to real life.
@@GuineaPig361 you can’t really agree with just one concept, it’s all true in parts.
I see it everyday, daddy and mommy issues are part of what attacts people to one another.
Some people aren’t self aware enough to even realise they have them or just don’t care.
That’s because there a lot of new age stupidness that has infiltrated Jungian camps . Von Franz is a direct disciple of Jung with her great contributions to analytical psychology.
I don't like being in love overall....I feel basically embarrassed to feel so much for a woman even though the love itself I need
Interesting. Im totally capable of being in love, but when it comes to sex, I feel gross and embarrassed to submit to women. As I've said for 40+ years, "REAL MEN DON'T BUST". or "real men say NO" to women.
@@Bluzian74same man
@@dullknifefactory Thank you. For once, it's a pleasant surprise to not get trolled or shit on by nasty people. I appreciate it more than I could parlay on here. Namaste.
@@Bluzian74 most people are perverts and couldn't fathom not being so
This is because your mother ridiculed and embarrassed you as the erotic natural wave swept over you. She pushed you away, giving a signal of "you should be attracted to this"
This is brilliant
According to parship there are more feline traits than masculine within me 😂 9/10 say I seem arrogant as well
Men miaoowing.
Great image 😻
she stereotypes men and creates a whole philosophy world around her generalizations
She talked about very specific men. May be you felt alluded?
Ouch
damn.
'black' and 'primitive'....hmmm
She's not referring to race 🙄😂
Based.
Something about black garments.
wow
The painful, harsh realities of life. Especially the part about jumped by the blacks....😅😂😅 sorry, I couldn't help it.
Probably true. Also likely true for women.
Rich people and their big words and sitting around wanking off on life while most of us work to pay the bills
You can pay the bills and still think about life, my dull friend
@@antonoko The problem with armchair philosophers like the person in this video is that their thinking doesn't come from experience. So they just generalize entire genders.
So yes, they are wanking to their thoughts.
A normal person would just say: don't idolize your partner.
That's the difference.
Rich people? She was born in a poor ahh family
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Isn't this more typical of modern day romance novels and their readers?
Brutal
Is this pseudoscience?
Probably worse.
Psychoanalysis has never claimed to be a science. You can't measure the matters of the soul.
@@idratherstayanonimous7020 There's no such thing as a soul. Jesus christ. This is why I say this is even worse than pseudoscience.
This kind of thinking and framing of emotional and spiritual phenomena in terms of 'masculine' and 'feminine' is extremely flawed, the main cause of todays misunderstandings and 'animosity' amongst sexes and is wreaking havoc in modern western societies; it's also an expression of feminine 'narcissism'.
You realize that your last statement is framing emotional phenomenon in the same way you derided. A thing you said in your first scentence is bad. It makes sense considering that you seem to think these ideas are driving animosity between the sexes, when in reality it your own misunderstanding of the terms as well as why society has such animosity between sexes in the first place within modern western society.
Thus that you have shown yourself to be a hypocrite, in that it is supposedly driving western society apart and is a flawed ideal, yet it is reasonable to use it to describe something. Why use the term feminine narcissism if you think the ideal of using those terms is bad unless you have some agenda. Double thinking, and double speak. I would really like to know how you think it is that it is wreaking havoc in western society because i am sure most of what you point to is a societal problem pinned to something entirely different.
pirangelloferretti3588. No, you poor ignorant fool. She is talking about the INNER self. All men must develop their feminine side. All women must develop their masculine side. In this way, we understand the opposite sex and can love with maturity and generosity. Read some basic books on psychology written by Jung. She was his pupil.
Yeah, women are to Blame and men for being weak and let them vote.
@@bulbo-the-hero What is really wreaking havoc is not unchecked ideals. It is pure interference in cultural norms, fueled by endocrine disruptors. Philosophy and psychology can only take you so far and are insufficient when it comes to grasping the problems western society faces.
Yes. She's essentially projecting her own superstitious beliefs stereotyping "femininity", a set of cognitive biases and assumptions which she's claiming possession over through correlating observed/learned patterns she was exposed to and now associates with women in her time onto women as mutually exclusive to them.
Anima/Animus are both dangerously antiquated notions. There's no proof select behaviors, actions, and characteristics originate or are fixed in women or men inherently. These judgments only factor what they're aware of present tense. Mostly generalizing and ignoring environmental factors. It's sexism really.
Imagine three children arrived individually at a movie theater to watch a film where knowledge of a skill is taught and past down from character to character on screen. One viewer may arrive when only a man is performing the skill. Would the first child assume women could also perform the skill? One viewer may arrive when they only perceive a woman learning the skill. Would that child assume men can learn the skill? One viewer may walk in after both the man and woman performed that skill and moved on. Would the last child be aware of the knowledge and skill that he/she did not see?
This woman is arrogantly condescending men with her presumptuous rigid beliefs that assume men are limited to what she identifies as masculine traits and must LEARN what she considers feminine traits.
Largely oversimplifying men and women in claiming "anima" is what provides men the equivalent of his capacity to express "real" love: which is beyond deceptive and actually a gross prejudice that I denounce as misandrist bigotry. She's stereotype threatening men and essentially taking credit for what makes us human by giving that over to women because of her biases.
Glittering generalities are logical fallacies. Describing a "masculine" man whose obsessed by a woman as a man who cannot love a woman because of an underdeveloped feminine side is her admittance to being ignorant of men's subjective reality and unique perspective on women. In reality, yes, this is female narcissism as she is completely lacking in empathy for men since she stays in her perspective without ever considering men's perspective regarding attraction. This woman's emotional intelligence is underdeveloped.
She talking shit
Trash philosophy of grifters.
We all know deep down if we're with someone because we love them or the hundreds of other excuses, men and women, BOTH use. Lol
Next...
Very insightful. Next
After he truly loves her in the way that she is describing she files for divorce.
This seems feckless compared with female hypergamy
Every couple years I dive into this sort of stuff just to remind myself how bankrupt and nearly useless philosphy is
I ain't see any philosophy on this video. You commented on the wrong video?
@@idratherstayanonimous7020 just stay anonimous
Bitter women speak
Daarom zou elke man een zus moeten hebben😁
I agree 100%. Unfortunately I never had a sister, and I've always seen it as something that could've really helped me in my life.
But the next best thing, is having loyal, supportive female FRIENDS 😊
Wtf
Lol
ikr 😂
Think this is true, until the second question :D
Obtuse and therefore false
What? Your comment?
Just turn to Christ!
Sounds like an unfortunately racist analogy.
Sound like an unfortunately race obsessed modern goober.
Ad hominem, you lose.
You do realize that's your projection? Othering happens in many dimensions of life, not just in issues pertaining physical appearance.
@@xXxLPNo777xXx It's more my _perception._ I didn't accuse von Franz of being a racist.
It's no more a projection than recognising a quite obvious sexual innuendo.
Of course, the danger of sending Wolfgang Mozart to psychoanalysis for his puerile behaviors is that he loses his music.
Mozart was also a financial and physical wreck and dead at 35. If he had of been more integrated within himself and society maybe he could have lived to be an old man. Maybe not as great a superstar but he could have been a great father grandfather and teacher to the next generation, who knows?
@@jakedee4117 Mozart's cause of death is unknown and therefore an inkblot. Your explanation reveals far more about yourself and your worldview than it does about Mozart.
@@sunkintree Just because we don't have a detailed modern forensic report and autopsy that doesn't mean that reasonable speculations can't be made. He was ill and in financial difficulties. My point is about the problems and dangers of a "Rock Star" lifestyle and a "better to burn out than to fade away' attitude.
We can only see what Mozart has given us not what might have been. There is perhaps a feeling that every part of his life was necessary for him to have created what he did. But I don't think his early death and the early deaths of so many creative geniuses was necessary. It is likely that his creative powers would have declined as he aged that is very common but with a slower paced and more sensible lifestyle could have produced so much more.
What effect could Mozart have had on the world as a teacher in his 50s, for example? The effects of a teacher can be infinite, there is no way of telling where they end.
@@jakedee4117 as far as I'm aware there was no "rock star lifestyle attitude" in Mozart's time. Mozart did not feel it necessary to uphold some tradition of rock stars, rather it appears more to me the natural inclination of any human being toward short-sighted sense pleasure and extravagant living when those opportunities are made available to us. As for his impact on the world should he have lived past his untimely death, it's pretty much guaranteed for a good classical composer to have improved over time rather than to degrade. Classical music allows for artists to improve well into old age, unlike popular music styles of the modern day which value youth, bombast and blind passion over skill and improvement. Even someone who lived as extravagantly as Mozart, my money is on our having lost a lot of great music he would have composed rather than assuming he would have degraded as time passed.