Pentatonic Boxes that Don't Suck

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  • Опубликовано: 3 дек 2024

Комментарии • 338

  • @The10000lbGorilla
    @The10000lbGorilla 8 лет назад +113

    The thing that sets you above other teachers on YoutTube is that you don't just show licks and riffs, but also give the tools for us to come up with our own which is very beneficial to me at least.

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  8 лет назад +8

      Thanks so much for reaching out man, I'll keep em coming!

    • @tuh-hah-miss
      @tuh-hah-miss 8 лет назад +6

      Totally agree. This was a great lesson.

    • @lxathu
      @lxathu 8 лет назад +10

      Indeed. I've seen tons of videos by guitar magicians to almost-magicians but good material that speaks to the just-after-beginner level is rare.
      Hats off, Sean!

  • @Joshlocklear_media
    @Joshlocklear_media 8 лет назад +26

    i love your kind of laid back casual teaching method, oh and i love the Tele too

  • @AcoKrajisnik1
    @AcoKrajisnik1 8 лет назад +45

    You're one of the best guitar teachers online in my opinion, theory is working great for you, keep it up :)

  • @calinmcosma
    @calinmcosma 7 лет назад +2

    You're a genius, sir. I owe you everything.
    Was stuck in pentatonic shapes for more than a year. Played all 5 shapes fast, but independent. Never managed to connect them, to make true melodic licks.
    Now, that I've watched this, I can move on the whole fretboard with incredible ease, the combinations are endless.
    Thank you, and keep up the good work!

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  7 лет назад

      So cool to hear! Yeah I remember when I actually figured out how to use those scales and it was the best! Awesome that you're rocking it! Thanks for watching :)

  • @lposprb
    @lposprb 5 лет назад +2

    I rarely comment online. But, you have such a practical, real, simple but sounds great, way of teaching guitar. When talented people who have passion combined with a generous and willing desire to share with others, our world is a better place. Thanks brother!

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  5 лет назад

      Thanks so much for taking the time to reach out Patrick! I'll keep em coming!

  • @yurizinhu159
    @yurizinhu159 8 лет назад +2

    It's amazing how great can be an improvise just combining some boxes.
    Tks, teacher

  • @TobySussex
    @TobySussex 8 лет назад +1

    Have you considered a video on when/ if to use a pick and in what circumstances? Thanks!

  • @markrogers6833
    @markrogers6833 4 года назад

    Outsanding lesson...
    Very helpful..and technical...
    ...but you keep it so clear and simple as well...
    ...thank you. I have been stuck for so long and you are truly helping get out of a big rut.

  • @tlong2374
    @tlong2374 8 лет назад +2

    This is by far the best scale based teaching method I've ever encountered online or off.

  • @leebraly3904
    @leebraly3904 8 лет назад +5

    Excellent ideas. You are very creative young man.

  • @ekspresija101
    @ekspresija101 8 лет назад +17

    best guitar tutorials on youtube hands down. Honorable mention - Justin guitar, Guitar Gate and Carl from GuitarLessons365Song.

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  8 лет назад +3

      Thanks so much Milos!

    • @pks171
      @pks171 7 лет назад

      Carl is also amazing

    • @jpg6296
      @jpg6296 6 лет назад

      Milos Momcilovic What about greekgodx?

  • @Thecrispito
    @Thecrispito 8 лет назад +3

    Best guitar teacher on RUclips. Hands Down.

  • @danielhartman6529
    @danielhartman6529 7 лет назад +1

    Your really a good teacher.For years i could never see the fret board. I am starting to get amuch better under standing of what i am looking at.

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  7 лет назад

      +Daniel Hartman thanks so much Daniel! I appreciate you reaching out!

  • @Tanglangfa
    @Tanglangfa 6 лет назад +3

    Love the denim look on that tele!

  • @thebleederproject
    @thebleederproject 8 лет назад

    Excellent! For what ever reason I think of my guitar playing in shapes and this totally speaks to the way my brain processes chords and their relationships. Thanks

  • @randymckissack5663
    @randymckissack5663 8 лет назад +1

    THX SEAN YOU HAV A GREAT WAY SHOWING PEOPLE WONT FORGET U

  • @stevanlezaja4203
    @stevanlezaja4203 8 лет назад +6

    You are a guitar wizard man

  • @servetyavas566
    @servetyavas566 8 лет назад +3

    Way to set learners like me free from getting stuck in one particular place. Much appreciated. Thx a lot!

  • @goffdroid
    @goffdroid 3 года назад

    That's a head bopper.had me moving and grooving thank you

  • @richardtrecero6782
    @richardtrecero6782 8 лет назад +1

    Thank you Sean. This is big help to me.

  • @milliewilletts6379
    @milliewilletts6379 8 лет назад +1

    That finish on your tele is gorgeous!

  • @seanenglish3002
    @seanenglish3002 5 лет назад +3

    What a cool lesson! I can do this. I had no idea you had such range. Very awesome. I thought you were acoustic strummy guy only. thank you for the help.

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  5 лет назад

      Thanks so much! It's usually just easier to film acoustic vids.

    • @noiseintheoffice
      @noiseintheoffice 5 лет назад +1

      He’s the rhythmy strummy leady improvisy poppy bluesy jazzy country rocky theory practical-y trippy tippy acoustic electric guy. Oh, and teachy guy too.

  • @JDLuke
    @JDLuke 6 лет назад +1

    I have been playing (poorly) for a long time, and absolutely nobody has ever put things together in a way I understand like you do. Thanks!

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  6 лет назад

      Thanks so much for reaching and saying so!

  • @poirotpoirot5055
    @poirotpoirot5055 7 лет назад +2

    Thanks for making this. Helps me out a lot.
    Keep it up!!

  • @petrilacosmin7743
    @petrilacosmin7743 8 лет назад +1

    That made me dance in my chair! Definitely gonna try it, awesome video!

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  8 лет назад

      Thanks man, I think this is one of the more important concepts that can really make your playing take off.

  • @Mo-xz6pf
    @Mo-xz6pf 8 лет назад

    These videos are so helpful. Up until I found Sean's channel, I had been using websites and accounts that taught guitar chords/timing/riffs/ scales/etc, but I was always questioning why things worked the way they did. I was learning how to do separate things rather than viewing what I was learning as parts that could be combined or accented. Thanks to Sean's to-the-point theory, the guitar now actually makes sense.

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  8 лет назад

      Thanks so much man! I feel like I need to quote you for an infomercial or something :)

  • @combatCommohooah
    @combatCommohooah 8 лет назад +1

    This is an awesome lesson! Thank you

  • @billbaloo8423
    @billbaloo8423 7 лет назад +1

    Excellent instruction. thank you!

  • @daveyboy8907
    @daveyboy8907 8 лет назад +1

    This was a great lesson. I was making up a lot of great sounding riffs tonight with these simple broke down scales..I always look at the cage system but not anymore...Now I will break all the scales down..Thanks man sometimes you just need another angle...

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  8 лет назад +1

      So great to hear! Let me know if you ever have any questions!

    • @daveyboy8907
      @daveyboy8907 8 лет назад

      Sean Daniel thanks bud..

  • @marco25062010
    @marco25062010 8 лет назад +1

    Your intros are always on point

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  8 лет назад +1

      The intros are the hardest part of the video to come up with :)

  • @denny4471
    @denny4471 8 лет назад +1

    Sean- I believe this might be my breakout lesson! You just showed me how to view the fretboard a different way! Thanks!!

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  8 лет назад

      So great to hear Denny, seeing it this way really helped me.

  • @dwar1903
    @dwar1903 8 лет назад +1

    Well done Sean... thanks for the lesson.

  • @christineinwhistler
    @christineinwhistler 8 лет назад +1

    i really like your teaching style, really great,
    many thanks

  • @philjames1019
    @philjames1019 8 лет назад +1

    Cool lesson ... cheers Sean!!

  • @ebylongoutdoors9281
    @ebylongoutdoors9281 8 лет назад +24

    that is one of the most beautiful telecasters I have ever seen!

  • @charlessmootjr538
    @charlessmootjr538 3 года назад

    Keep up the good work homie!
    I'm slowly building up my confidence. THANK YOU!!!

  • @frankpentimone1830
    @frankpentimone1830 8 лет назад +1

    excellent lesson man. less is more. love it

  • @darryltham313
    @darryltham313 8 лет назад +1

    Keep up the great work! You deserve way more subs!

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  8 лет назад

      Thanks Darryl! The subs are growing!

  • @timedwards5038
    @timedwards5038 8 лет назад +1

    Awesome lesson mate, cheers

  • @JouanOne
    @JouanOne 8 лет назад +1

    I need you in my life.. so badly. All this stuff is golden!

  • @mankneequesadilla7969
    @mankneequesadilla7969 8 лет назад +1

    EXTREMELY Helpful video as usual!!

  • @geaestudio1854
    @geaestudio1854 8 лет назад +1

    Your awesome dude... really save my life with this lesson, thank's a lot.
    Greetings from Chile

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  8 лет назад

      So great to hear! Greetings from Florida.

  • @matinee310
    @matinee310 8 лет назад

    Man this guys thinking is so much better than the 3 gurus put together! He bridges the cap between beginners intermediate and advance players with lessons that can be applied straight off the bat!!

  • @mdhamilton
    @mdhamilton 4 года назад

    Thank you brother. Much love & respect to ya!

  • @tomcolt3
    @tomcolt3 7 лет назад

    Great lesson man. Really like your approach to teaching

  • @tbone2451
    @tbone2451 8 лет назад +2

    Nice lesson well taught,nice Tele.

  • @matthewahearn6781
    @matthewahearn6781 5 лет назад +1

    Good lesson. Simplicity is a beautiful thing on guitar when you build your groove. You don’t have to smash a thousand notes to be a great player.

  • @masulsa40
    @masulsa40 3 года назад

    Hey Ryan Renolds, these lessons are amazing!!!

  • @ozmoth66
    @ozmoth66 4 года назад

    Great lesson !

  • @kingsera6856
    @kingsera6856 5 лет назад +2

    Honestly one of the most positive comment sections I’ve seen👳🏿‍♂️❤️

  • @BjarneOlsen
    @BjarneOlsen 8 лет назад

    Now THAT was a refreshing lesson. Nice attitude and Lesson ofc..:)

  • @inescapablestud
    @inescapablestud 8 лет назад

    Finally I can hear and see you Sean

    • @zttvs
      @zttvs 8 лет назад

      inescapablestud wtf

  • @rcolang1
    @rcolang1 8 лет назад +1

    excellent!! Thanks

  • @godfreytan1001
    @godfreytan1001 7 лет назад

    Clearly explained. Great help. Thank you.

  • @juno7893
    @juno7893 6 лет назад +1

    Wow. This was a very good one.

  • @climber7565
    @climber7565 5 лет назад +1

    Hey Sean, I revisited this video! Thank you for the light bulb moment! I know next time I visit it or others of you provided, will help me with new steps into my guitar journey. Thanks for making this one again. I appreciate you!! If you find time to evolve this one into a sequel of extended ideas, would be awesome.

  • @Woutahh
    @Woutahh 8 лет назад

    Hey dude, love your videos! Could you maybe do a video about chord tones and target notes?

  • @ΔημήτρηςΛάρδης
    @ΔημήτρηςΛάρδης 3 года назад +1

    My friend, I learn from you. Thank you!!

  • @mintran
    @mintran 6 лет назад

    Your tele looks and sounds awesome!

  • @twankwhelan8517
    @twankwhelan8517 6 лет назад

    Excellent! The segment on the A minor particularly sweet.

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  6 лет назад

      I actually really like how this vid turned out :)

    • @twankwhelan8517
      @twankwhelan8517 6 лет назад

      @@seandaniel23 I watch a lot of instructional videos (recently retired, I've time for it now) and while most tickle the imagination and explain this or that, there's but a few that have me pause, pick up the guitar and take off. More often than not it's been one of yours. Havin' another look at this vid, and with moments paused it...that stuff on the intro with the Em made me realize how supercool it is to start a lick hammering on to the E from the D.

  • @mas_3330
    @mas_3330 8 лет назад +1

    Where would we be without these shapes? I love how everyone uses them differently too

  • @christianpanagakos1664
    @christianpanagakos1664 6 лет назад +1

    hey sean...when you move to the Am chord and C scale ~7:12 you refer to it as C major or C Mixolydian...wouldn't the C Mix relate to key of F (5th interval of F)? Is that the key you framed the exercise in? Just trying to tie the thought with your vids on modes...tx

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  6 лет назад +1

      You're totally right. I was actually just thinking of the chord C major (as the 5 chord in F). It's confusing though because sometimes people will say C major, but you don't know if they're talking about the chord or the scale, but C mixolydian is for sure the mode we'd work in with the KEY of F major. Hope that makes sense.

  • @treharris1677
    @treharris1677 4 года назад

    Practical. Realistic. Great takeaway in a very short lesson.

  • @MCnataS
    @MCnataS 8 лет назад +2

    Sean, after watching your videos I often think, 'how does he always know what I want to lern?'. Probably it's because you are a great teacher.
    I also like the style/sound you play. Please do a little jam session or a Jimi song with this sexy Telecaster. I need it badly... =)

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  8 лет назад

      Thanks man, I'll have some jam stuff coming soon :)

  • @GunsNRoses581
    @GunsNRoses581 8 лет назад +1

    You have my favourite lessons on youtube! Could you one day make a video about blues chords please?

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  8 лет назад

      Thanks so much! I'll put it on the list!

  • @timjohnson2186
    @timjohnson2186 6 лет назад

    great lesson I appreciate the knowledge

  • @scottyt.9238
    @scottyt.9238 7 лет назад

    dude very cool little lesson man ...got alot out of it .. thank you!

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  7 лет назад

      I'm glad you liked it and found it useful :)

  • @Naveh_O
    @Naveh_O 5 лет назад +1

    Dude your introduction sentences always crack me up

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  5 лет назад +1

      Thanks for saying so, literally the most difficult part of making videos :)

  • @index1001
    @index1001 8 лет назад +1

    Very cool matey

  • @mrsimpson2022
    @mrsimpson2022 8 лет назад +3

    for a guy with two first names you are pretty cool teacher.

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  8 лет назад +1

      I've overcome my disadvantages ;)

  • @1funkyangel
    @1funkyangel 8 лет назад +1

    Great lesson,.. cool guitar Sir ! :)

  • @jocelynhenkel4
    @jocelynhenkel4 5 лет назад

    LOVE THIS...LESSON. WHERE DID YOU COME UP WITH IT? IT'S FANTASTIC! I'M GOING TO
    GO OVER IT TIL I GET IT DOWN...THANKS SEAN... YOU ARE THE BEST!

  • @Requnium
    @Requnium 8 лет назад +4

    That's one sexy telecaster. :')
    Thanks for the lesson, helped greatly.

  • @ramc.t.v.1453
    @ramc.t.v.1453 4 года назад +1

    Thanks for sharing

  • @taliwaya89
    @taliwaya89 7 лет назад +1

    I really love the straight way you explain things. I had 1 question and 1 suggestion (and/or additional question) which is firstly, how do you avoid getting lost? (is it just a question of time in practice?)... and I mean by this when I do patterns, I sometimes get into the pattern, and lose which note I'm playing in relation to the chord or scale. Secondly, how would you approach a guitar solo over about 8 bars or maybe 16 (pretty short) Am F C G? = suggestion - could you do a video on this? (= having a certain progression such as this and then tackling a lead/solo section)

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  7 лет назад

      Great question! It's definitely easy to get lost once you start exploring new positions, that's why I'm a big fan of targeting the names of certain notes and being able to know either a major/minor arpeggio that you can run in and out of from anywhere as long as you find a root note. As far the progression goes, I personally would start it on a chord tone (and A note probably) and then run it into a G major arpeggio by the time it gets back, I'll try and make a vid on more stuff like that soon!

  • @CraigRapacki
    @CraigRapacki 8 лет назад +1

    I appreciate your teaching skills and your opening humor! I would like to make a suggestion if I may. Continue using your blue finger patterns (1234) for all your lessons even when you change gears or adding turnarounds etc. For EX: Learn Every Blues Song Ever in 8 Minutes but what was missing was the turn around! I hope i explained myself and thank you for giving your knowledge!

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  8 лет назад

      Thanks for the feedback Craig and thanks for watching!

    • @CraigRapacki
      @CraigRapacki 8 лет назад

      You are so welcome, thank you for returning my call. Visual acuity is so important, it puts the how into the teaching. I wish you all the success you are striving for!

  • @drbluntphd
    @drbluntphd 8 лет назад +1

    i love slidin into boxes

  • @curtsheldon5320
    @curtsheldon5320 6 лет назад +1

    Nice lesson. I wish you would have talked a little bit about what your right fingers and thumb were doing. Can you do this lesson again please and for each of the box plays / licks, show how your picking the strings? Can you do this "boxing around" with using a pick? Also I'm just learning about hybrid picking? Is that's what it's called? Picking using a pick and plucking with bottom three fingers. Anyway thanks!

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  6 лет назад

      You can definitely do all this stuff with a pick. I'll have to make another vid describing the fingerstyle thing more. And you're right about the hybrid picking.

  • @guevaramarwan
    @guevaramarwan 7 лет назад +1

    excellent staff

  • @wajang1000
    @wajang1000 7 лет назад

    Tuning in fourths would be a nice extension to these boxes since the patterns will remain the same across and up the entire fingerboard.

  • @michaeldematteis3409
    @michaeldematteis3409 7 лет назад +1

    love that guitar.nice.I need need need to learn them triplets do you have a lesson on that or any practice tips

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  7 лет назад +1

      I did a couple videos on triplets so far :)
      ruclips.net/video/6htDqGlsexs/видео.html
      ruclips.net/video/nQeOFN0Vrwk/видео.html

    • @michaeldematteis3409
      @michaeldematteis3409 7 лет назад

      Okay thanks! !

  • @downhill240
    @downhill240 8 лет назад +1

    Interesting perspective!

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  8 лет назад

      Hopefully it helps! Thanks for watching!

  • @johndougherty22
    @johndougherty22 7 лет назад +1

    wow, just randomly found you by looking for ideas to get better with bluesy riffs and how to link chords with expressions and things like that .The stuff you are explaining is really cool , and understandable , for me at least . I have been playing for only a year and a half maybe two , and these are really awesome little lessons and ideas . I like your laid back style, it works , Thanks.
    Oh and totally bitchin faded bluejeans Tele .

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  7 лет назад

      Thanks for watching! Happy to hear that you like the videos.

  • @ilonkadaz-alwaysandforever9114
    @ilonkadaz-alwaysandforever9114 8 лет назад +2

    "Little Wing", by Jimi Hendrix! Can you hear it in those licks? Fabulous!

  • @2112xanadau
    @2112xanadau 8 лет назад

    nice man u explained this in a way i never could. like i had to figure out all that jsut form playing. never could explain it. thank you i am passing your video to my students. thanks man \m/

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  8 лет назад

      So great to hear! I appreciate you spreading the word.

    • @2112xanadau
      @2112xanadau 8 лет назад

      facebook.com/Xanapete-1602043273429891/?fref=ts

    • @2112xanadau
      @2112xanadau 8 лет назад

      check out some video on my page. trying to get out there and do what yall do.

  • @nathanmielke1977
    @nathanmielke1977 7 лет назад +1

    Is that a custom shop tele? Beautiful wood and paint stressing. Is that flame maple on the fret board? Just killer tone from that neck pickup. What amp are you running through?

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  7 лет назад

      Thanks! It's actually an American Standard that I chalk painted. So standard maple neck going through a mesa boogie 5:25 express, love that amp!

  • @MattGillam
    @MattGillam 6 лет назад

    Great thanks - knowing the pentatonic shapes really helps with this. I'm not clear how it's OK to micx the Em shapes and Am shapes together into 1 piece, but no doubt I'll figure it out.

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  6 лет назад +1

      Just two chords that share the same key a lot, so both boxes can work :)

  • @StefanGBucher
    @StefanGBucher 4 года назад

    Did you put a desaturating filter on this (predictably useful and excellent) video, or does that snazzy blue Tele just naturally such the red out of your environment?

  • @jpzografos331
    @jpzografos331 6 лет назад +1

    Hey Sean, so I really like listening to heaving metal/hardcore and anything similar to that. I’ve noticed that polyrhythms are pretty common in those genres of music. Seems like more of a concept used on drums but I notice a lot of guitar players playing these rhythms in sync with drummers, at least in these genres. I’m sure they’re just as common in other genres, I’m just not quite as familiar with it. Not sure if you have experimented with these much but figured you might be able to explain the concept at some point or touch on your opinions/the best way to use them or just how they work and what exactly are. Seems confusing to me! Thanks for all the great lessons, they’ve been helping me improve a lot!

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  6 лет назад +1

      Great suggestion! I'll put it on the video list!

    • @jpzografos331
      @jpzografos331 6 лет назад

      Sweet! looking forward to it!

  • @Neverlost3234
    @Neverlost3234 8 лет назад

    thats a great lesson. i was so stuck in the box. this helps.

  • @arielchan367
    @arielchan367 8 лет назад +1

    Wow! Thanks men! you're incredible! I'll check out your videos always... :D

  • @richardmeck9646
    @richardmeck9646 3 года назад

    Finally found someone who makes sense to me

  • @lnsrvarma1111
    @lnsrvarma1111 8 лет назад +2

    question: from a timing perspective how does the timing work with your solos and the am / em chords.. should each lick be the same timing as your chords (to keep in time?)

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  8 лет назад +1

      Great question. Now they don't technically have to be the same amount of time, but I find when you're thinking this way it's helpful to chunk the timing into pieces that are even. So it's definitely a good way to approach feeling out how long a bar of music is, or how long it stays on one chord, etc.

    • @lnsrvarma1111
      @lnsrvarma1111 8 лет назад

      Thx Sean.. Great Video....

  • @looneykyle
    @looneykyle 5 лет назад

    Hey Sean, thank you for the informative videos.
    What strumming technique are you doing to strum the chord before getting into the boxes? it's a nice subtle sound, not sure what it would be called.

  • @wojciechimielski4313
    @wojciechimielski4313 8 лет назад +1

    Beautiful, cool sound! Is it clear, just from your telecaster...?

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  8 лет назад +1

      Yup so that's just the tele plugged right into my Mesa 525 on the clean channel with the amp reverb.

    • @wojciechimielski4313
      @wojciechimielski4313 8 лет назад

      Mesa... In my country that's terribly expensive... But congrats, it sounds like a million $...

  • @davidhoxit4274
    @davidhoxit4274 6 лет назад

    Amazing tones your producing with that chalky tele!

  • @andrewptob
    @andrewptob 8 лет назад

    Digging your channel, man. Cool looking Tele, too. I just got one myself.

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  8 лет назад +1

      Congrats! Teles are great :) Thank you for watching!

  • @collinisballn
    @collinisballn 8 лет назад +1

    dang, the tele is gorgeous! What color is that?

    • @seandaniel23
      @seandaniel23  8 лет назад

      Thanks, custom paint job we did ourselves, video coming soon!

  • @drflopster1128
    @drflopster1128 6 лет назад

    Awesome video!

  • @lucas.n
    @lucas.n 7 лет назад

    Quick question! Do you visualize the "fretboard note names (C, C#, D..) " or the "relative note names(root, 2b, 2, 3, 3m...)"? I've been trying to learn the fretboard with the note names, but that lead me to get stuck on C/Am keys... I figured if I learn the relative note names instead, it would give me more flexibility on the way I see the fretboard and play on whichever key I want. What do you think? Does it make sense? What's your approach?