The most awesome tours.ever! I went on one and it was magic. Of course two weeks after I got home I crashed my bike broke a leg and am arm. My big it's okay was that it happened 2 weeks after not before! Now I am getting ready in rehabilitation for my next tour. Gareth Russell is wonderful and I got to fan girl Tracy Borman!!!! Yay life.
Thomas Howard, Duke of Norfolk is one of the most vile people I have ever come across. How interesting that no one was concerned of bias when appointing him to preside over his niece and nephew's trials. I am not sure what his relationship was with George Boleyn, but it was well known that Norfolk and Anne were at odds, to put it mildly.
May 2, Anne Boleyn was arrested. Anne didn't deserve to die. She gave Henry viii the Tyndale Bible. She fed Henry the idea he didn't have to answer to anyone. Then he decided he could just get rid of her.
She in a way created him, she fed his ego that we wasnt answerable to anybody, he took that advice to heart and the moment she couldnt deliver what he wanted, he disposed of her
I think she was at the older end of her possible age. Henry was eager to get rid of her because the situation was getting similar to the situation with Katharine of Aragon. Anne was getting into her late 30’s, was less fertile and may not have another child. Besides she had miscarried a boy. He may have believed that she killed his son.
That narrative sounds logical, but then how do you explain an allegedly gifted teenage girl who is praised by someone like Margaret of Austria for being ‘forward at such a young age’ writing a letter to her father with sloppy penmanship and a poor grasp of the French language? No. It makes more sense that she was sent to the Royal nursery, not the court, where she would be educated amongst Margaret’s nieces. Also, how do you explain people who knew her in her lifetime describing her as ‘not quite 29’ at her execution? I have no idea how historians have been ‘convinced’ that Anne was about six years older than previously thought, based on a weak theory that says the same letter couldn’t have been written but someone so young… but how could she be seen as a young girl of promise when everyone also says the letter is quite flawed and has poor penmanship? Make it make sense? Henry got rid of Anne because he was attracted to Jane, and because Cromwell, who saw Anne as a threat and an obstacle to his foreign policy, manufactured a plot to destroy her. I think Henry was perhaps a little in awe of Anne still, and maybe felt that he couldn’t get rid of her because annulling his marriage would be an admission that he was wrong about her all the time, and he was wrong to abandon Katherine. By blaming the failure of the marriage on Anne was Henry’s get out of jail card. If she was a wicked adulteress and plotted his death, how could he be blamed for destroying her. The problem for Henry was, no one really believed it, even if some people were happy she was gone. I think Henry probably planned to annul the marriage initially, but Cromwell definitely wanted her dead and came up with a scheme that ensured Henry had to kill her. He agreed because it was convenient, which makes him as much of a monster as Cromwell. But to say Henry felt Anne was getting too old? No, maybe he was questioning her fertility, but I don’t think that had to do with her age, just the unfortunate miscarriages and stillbirths that felt like a repeat of what happened with Katherine.
The question is, what could she have done differently as Queen, rather than "mistress" to keep in Henry's affections ?? knowing his temperament and expectations of a consort at the time...she should have understood that Henry was an Absolute Monarch, he'd disposed of Catherine and could her as well...not involving herself in any flirtation which could be twisted into malicious accusations, is the first and second not to question his rule, or any transgressions he may have committed, Anne was a master of the Tudor court and knew the rules...she needed to become submissive - would probably have kept her head.
Love threw all reason out of the window, and perhaps a bit of ego. She fell in love with him, and hated the idea of him being with other women. She also probably put too much faith in his love for her and felt comfortable enough to continue speaking her mind. You're most likely right, and maybe even Anne knew these things as well, but in those moments, I imagine she was reacting rather than strategizing.
Unless she gave Henry a living son, she was in danger of annulment or death. Katharine died, Anne miscarried their son, Henry felt free to choose death for Anne, who had no one to defend her. Tragic.
Henry was very superstitious and it appeared to him history was repeating itself , Anne couldngive him a son. Catharine had powerful relatives so Henry didn't dare kill her or Mary, but Anne had no one to defend her. No, Anne couldn't have done anything to save herself except give the King a healthy son and Tudor heir. Tragic.
Had to go back and listen again because once you said you were sitting in Hampton Court -wow. Something I’ve always thought about is why Henry Norris? He was the kings friend and had been for a long time, why him? Surely Henry wouldn’t have believed that. You have to feel sorry for the poor wretches, they did nothing wrong! I’ve never been much of an Anne fan but she was treated very badly and her brother, George , was said to have given a brilliant defence. No one cared about innocence did they, he wanted her gone. 🙏🙏👵🇦🇺
If you promise a narcissist maniac fool -- "hey I can give you a son that your wife never will" .... THEN when you don't, he will turn on you. Doesn't justify what Henry did to her, but it was inevitable given the horrible man Henry was. Given the times they lived in, every woman would have made that same promise to Henry, Anne Boleyn was not unique, so I don't blame her. Many that enabled Henry in his inner circle over the years, he ended up executing them as well. True to form.
@@Dee-mj3pu The women did not have much choice during those days. They were the chattel of their fathers, brothers, uncles and husbands during that era. Some of them had better educations than other women. But they certainly had no power!
That occurred to me also- that we reap as we sow, and Anne had been instrumental in removing Queen Katherine. I do think that Henry was a huge narcissist. I wouldn't like to have been in his shoes as he was leaving this life gor the next one.... G Ire
Anne was in a terrible position, and I think the stress and the waiting got to her and at times, sure, she acted poorly, but really so did Katherine and many other people towards her. It really shouldn’t be a narrative of Anne vs Katherine when it was Henry who put both these women in terrible situations not of their own choosing. Ultimately it’s him who decided to abandon Katherine and murder Anne.
C est beau de voir tout ces discussions mais je crois que tout est faux ils ont tout fait dans ces temps la cacher la vérité rien n est sur le roi était un monstre et aujourd hui on en voir les conscequences
"What went wrong", simply put shr didn't give him the son she promised. She gave birth to a daughter and then had several miscarriages. She was disposable and replaceable; so the King did so(with some help by Cromwell).
Why are you so certain she was not guilty? If Henry just wanted rid of her, arrange an "accident" - a carriage crash with a drunk driver, for instance.
Must say, I am disappointed. I was hoping this would be about the last YEAR of her life as one thing after another piled up against Anne, many her own fault. Not the actual charges, but the loss of children, arguments with Henry, and Cromwell, knowing of the affair with Jane. And more. The halting manner and uhm’s of the narrator’s speech…surely she’s talked about this subject before? The new info for me was the humiliating trip to the tower. It was long and public. Very public. Didn’t think about that.
I understand Henry was getting nervous that France wasn’t supporting him/them any longer which made her a problem. All charges were BS-he just needed her gone.
I'm sure she jas a nervous laugh when she said she had a little neck. I get that nervous laugh, just not at my execution. Her grave marker is the new Edgar Allen Poe mystery. I think that if Henry just wanted rid of her, he would have found a different way, like the prior relationship with her sister. Then she may have had a much better chance of becoming a nun.
I love Anne a lot but I can sometimes say that maybe she should have handled herself way a bit more differently, it probably wouldn't have changed the outcome but maybe cause I a bit meeker than her, though I can get as Angry as she could so understand some of it. The only thing I could disagree with Anne on is some religious issues as raised a catholic myself.
I don't see anything wrong in the presentation. Are you saying she was guilty? Or that she somehow morally deserved to die? It's not worship as much as it is acknowledging a historical wrong that was done to a person. I'm no Anne Boleyn fan, but she was innocent and whatever flaws she had didn't justify straight up murdering her.
Anne has had a pretty harsh reputation for centuries and is only now getting a bit more respect and admiration. Katherine and Jane have typically been the jilted victim or the perfect little woman, and I would hazard a guess that none of these women were perfectly good or completely evil. For example, I think that Katherine was probably lying all along about her marriage to Arthur, and Jane very clearly assisted in Anne’s downfall, even though I doubt she assumed Anne would be murdered unjustly at first. But no matter any of these women’s faults or virtues, it was Henry who deserves the most blame for putting all of these women in terrible danger and sadness. He behaved cruelly to almost all of his wives, honestly. I get a bit tired of people who admire one queen trying to tear down another one. I can question some of their behaviour, but it’s not fair to put all the blame on one queen or another when at the root of it, they had very little choice into what Henry wanted and was going to do to them.
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The most awesome tours.ever! I went on one and it was magic. Of course two weeks after I got home I crashed my bike broke a leg and am arm. My big it's okay was that it happened 2 weeks after not before! Now I am getting ready in rehabilitation for my next tour. Gareth Russell is wonderful and I got to fan girl Tracy Borman!!!! Yay life.
Oh no Alison! I had no idea. I’m so sorry to hear about your accident! We look forward to seeing you for your back to health tour 😄💜
Love the pictures of where all this took place to go along with the timeline. I hope to go on one of your tours someday!!
Thomas Howard, Duke of Norfolk is one of the most vile people I have ever come across. How interesting that no one was concerned of bias when appointing him to preside over his niece and nephew's trials. I am not sure what his relationship was with George Boleyn, but it was well known that Norfolk and Anne were at odds, to put it mildly.
The outcome was a given. Notwithstanding that he was not a nice man, it was a way of keeping him demonstrably loyal to the king above all else.
May 2, Anne Boleyn was arrested. Anne didn't deserve to die. She gave Henry viii the Tyndale Bible. She fed Henry the idea he didn't have to answer to anyone. Then he decided he could just get rid of her.
She in a way created him, she fed his ego that we wasnt answerable to anybody, he took that advice to heart and the moment she couldnt deliver what he wanted, he disposed of her
Love this Philippa!!
Excellent interview with Gareth on the downfall of Anne and Catherine
Wow, this was really, really good! She was my 12th Great-Grandaunt. RIP.
A contemporary of Anne's stated that Anne was not yet 29 years of age when she was murdered
I think she was at the older end of her possible age. Henry was eager to get rid of her because the situation was getting similar to the situation with Katharine of Aragon. Anne was getting into her late 30’s, was less fertile and may not have another child. Besides she had miscarried a boy. He may have believed that she killed his son.
That narrative sounds logical, but then how do you explain an allegedly gifted teenage girl who is praised by someone like Margaret of Austria for being ‘forward at such a young age’ writing a letter to her father with sloppy penmanship and a poor grasp of the French language? No. It makes more sense that she was sent to the Royal nursery, not the court, where she would be educated amongst Margaret’s nieces. Also, how do you explain people who knew her in her lifetime describing her as ‘not quite 29’ at her execution? I have no idea how historians have been ‘convinced’ that Anne was about six years older than previously thought, based on a weak theory that says the same letter couldn’t have been written but someone so young… but how could she be seen as a young girl of promise when everyone also says the letter is quite flawed and has poor penmanship? Make it make sense?
Henry got rid of Anne because he was attracted to Jane, and because Cromwell, who saw Anne as a threat and an obstacle to his foreign policy, manufactured a plot to destroy her. I think Henry was perhaps a little in awe of Anne still, and maybe felt that he couldn’t get rid of her because annulling his marriage would be an admission that he was wrong about her all the time, and he was wrong to abandon Katherine. By blaming the failure of the marriage on Anne was Henry’s get out of jail card. If she was a wicked adulteress and plotted his death, how could he be blamed for destroying her. The problem for Henry was, no one really believed it, even if some people were happy she was gone. I think Henry probably planned to annul the marriage initially, but Cromwell definitely wanted her dead and came up with a scheme that ensured Henry had to kill her. He agreed because it was convenient, which makes him as much of a monster as Cromwell. But to say Henry felt Anne was getting too old? No, maybe he was questioning her fertility, but I don’t think that had to do with her age, just the unfortunate miscarriages and stillbirths that felt like a repeat of what happened with Katherine.
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The question is, what could she have done differently as Queen, rather than "mistress" to keep in Henry's affections ?? knowing his temperament and expectations of a consort at the time...she should have understood that Henry was an Absolute Monarch, he'd disposed of Catherine and could her as well...not involving herself in any flirtation which could be twisted into malicious accusations, is the first and second not to question his rule, or any transgressions he may have committed, Anne was a master of the Tudor court and knew the rules...she needed to become submissive - would probably have kept her head.
Love threw all reason out of the window, and perhaps a bit of ego. She fell in love with him, and hated the idea of him being with other women. She also probably put too much faith in his love for her and felt comfortable enough to continue speaking her mind. You're most likely right, and maybe even Anne knew these things as well, but in those moments, I imagine she was reacting rather than strategizing.
Unless she gave Henry a living son, she was in danger of annulment or death. Katharine died, Anne miscarried their son, Henry felt free to choose death for Anne, who had no one to defend her. Tragic.
Henry was very superstitious and it appeared to him history was repeating itself , Anne couldngive him a son. Catharine had powerful relatives so Henry didn't dare kill her or Mary, but Anne had no one to defend her. No, Anne couldn't have done anything to save herself except give the King a healthy son and Tudor heir. Tragic.
I agree that the efforts that Henry took to make it look like he was being more lenient to Anne were really in his favor ultimately..
Wish I was on tour with you! Enjoy
Had to go back and listen again because once you said you were sitting in Hampton Court -wow. Something I’ve always thought about is why Henry Norris? He was the kings friend and had been for a long time, why him? Surely Henry wouldn’t have believed that. You have to feel sorry for the poor wretches, they did nothing wrong! I’ve never been much of an Anne fan but she was treated very badly and her brother, George , was said to have given a brilliant defence. No one cared about innocence did they, he wanted her gone. 🙏🙏👵🇦🇺
Happy touring!!
Thank you Linda! Wish you were here with us.
If you promise a narcissist maniac fool -- "hey I can give you a son that your wife never will" .... THEN when you don't, he will turn on you. Doesn't justify what Henry did to her, but it was inevitable given the horrible man Henry was. Given the times they lived in, every woman would have made that same promise to Henry, Anne Boleyn was not unique, so I don't blame her. Many that enabled Henry in his inner circle over the years, he ended up executing them as well. True to form.
I feel sorry for ALL of Henry VIII 's wives; in particular for Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard.
Play dangerous games, win dangerous prizes! Silly women. Vile families. Fool me once . .
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The women did not have much choice
during those days. They were the
chattel of their fathers, brothers, uncles
and husbands during that era. Some of
them had better educations than other
women. But they certainly had no power!
@@Dee-mj3putalk about victim blaming
I wonder whether the one day adjournment of the execution had anything to do with conditions in the channel which the swordsman had yo cross
Ann certainly didn’t deserve to be killed, but I’ve always thought (if accounts are true) she treated Catharine of Aragon horribly.
That occurred to me also- that we reap as we sow, and Anne had been instrumental in removing Queen Katherine. I do think that Henry was a huge narcissist. I wouldn't like to have been in his shoes as he was leaving this life gor the next one.... G Ire
@@SF-ru3lp I’ve thought that too about Henry! He had a lot to answer for at the pearly gates.
@@Jami-Frankie A salutary lesson to us all... God keep us right... G Ire
Anne was in a terrible position, and I think the stress and the waiting got to her and at times, sure, she acted poorly, but really so did Katherine and many other people towards her. It really shouldn’t be a narrative of Anne vs Katherine when it was Henry who put both these women in terrible situations not of their own choosing. Ultimately it’s him who decided to abandon Katherine and murder Anne.
C est beau de voir tout ces discussions mais je crois que tout est faux ils ont tout fait dans ces temps la cacher la vérité rien n est sur le roi était un monstre et aujourd hui on en voir les conscequences
"What went wrong", simply put shr didn't give him the son she promised. She gave birth to a daughter and then had several miscarriages. She was disposable and replaceable; so the King did so(with some help by Cromwell).
Hi Phillipa, Do you do Hampton Court tours in December at all? Anytime between 12-20 Dec 2024) Thanks.
Id love to be at Hampton court Palace
Why are you so certain she was not guilty? If Henry just wanted rid of her, arrange an "accident" - a carriage crash with a drunk driver, for instance.
Must say, I am disappointed. I was hoping this would be about the last YEAR of her life as one thing after another piled up against Anne, many her own fault. Not the actual charges, but the loss of children, arguments with Henry, and Cromwell, knowing of the affair with Jane. And more. The halting manner and uhm’s of the narrator’s speech…surely she’s talked about this subject before? The new info for me was the humiliating trip to the tower. It was long and public. Very public. Didn’t think about that.
I understand Henry was getting nervous that France wasn’t supporting him/them any longer which made her a problem. All charges were BS-he just needed her gone.
I'm sure she jas a nervous laugh when she said she had a little neck. I get that nervous laugh, just not at my execution.
Her grave marker is the new Edgar Allen Poe mystery.
I think that if Henry just wanted rid of her, he would have found a different way, like the prior relationship with her sister. Then she may have had a much better chance of becoming a nun.
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I love Anne a lot but I can sometimes say that maybe she should have handled herself way a bit more differently, it probably wouldn't have changed the outcome but maybe cause I a bit meeker than her, though I can get as Angry as she could so understand some of it. The only thing I could disagree with Anne on is some religious issues as raised a catholic myself.
Same old overrated Boleyn worship.
I don't see anything wrong in the presentation. Are you saying she was guilty? Or that she somehow morally deserved to die? It's not worship as much as it is acknowledging a historical wrong that was done to a person. I'm no Anne Boleyn fan, but she was innocent and whatever flaws she had didn't justify straight up murdering her.
I have to be honest here, I see no Boelyn worship in the discussion or presentation.
Anne has had a pretty harsh reputation for centuries and is only now getting a bit more respect and admiration. Katherine and Jane have typically been the jilted victim or the perfect little woman, and I would hazard a guess that none of these women were perfectly good or completely evil. For example, I think that Katherine was probably lying all along about her marriage to Arthur, and Jane very clearly assisted in Anne’s downfall, even though I doubt she assumed Anne would be murdered unjustly at first. But no matter any of these women’s faults or virtues, it was Henry who deserves the most blame for putting all of these women in terrible danger and sadness. He behaved cruelly to almost all of his wives, honestly. I get a bit tired of people who admire one queen trying to tear down another one. I can question some of their behaviour, but it’s not fair to put all the blame on one queen or another when at the root of it, they had very little choice into what Henry wanted and was going to do to them.
The content is good. But I'm unsubscribing as I find listening to someone slurping tea is too cringe.
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