Enhancement Feedback - The Update made us Worse | War Within BETA
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- We got virtually no changes & still ended up in a worse spot then before.
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Hey, we think you're fine, here's baseline Feral Lunge and a nerf to Elemental Blast. GG. Do they even play their game?
You can have defensives... but you have to sacrifice much to get it. Yaaaaaay...
I am happy that we get a raid buff, rather than a party buff. Long overdue.
You dont have to sacrifice anything special in 99% of any content you do
Do we have to sit back and watch Mages, Warlocks, and Hunters get reworked two more times before enhance gets a proper look??
They reworked aff lock thousand times and it's still one of the worst specs in the entire game
@@vorios6731worst? It is one of the best. What you on about?
If these are all the changes we get, I’m sorely disappointed. But I get a creeping feeling this is not all we will get. Especially with all the backlash.
Elemental and resto look good though, but I’m mostly an enhancement shaman.
I’m gearing my MM hunter atm and it’s a lot of fun in PVP. Where enhancement needs to press 50 buttons to get a result, my MM hunter requires only 15, with options on the side.
I still love the idea and theme of enhancement, but this is not motivating
You make some great points here. The hero talents being in tough spots really shines a light on how the tree has to change to fit blizzards' direction for the game. The stormstrike part of the tree needs a refresh and the Dre/ascendance part not getting the same treatment as the other specs surprised me. I feel like they should just bake the effect of doom winds into that part of the tree. Make it a choice node with like 2 min ascendance or just bake a diminished version of the effect into the cd. No idea what to do with fire nova at this point. Good vid
Great insights, sir! Please tell me you have them posted on the forums to make sure all of this will reach them? :)
6:25 - content creators had exceptionally detailed feedback given months ago. Doesn't matter if Blizzard disagrees with the base premise, that there are things enhance needs help with. Which is what they stated in the blue post released in parallel to the updates. They are pleased with Enhance. So nothing to come from any given wish list people might put together.
@@Sly_404 I think the more feedback they are given, the better. Also adding one more source, especially a reliable one as Stankie, just puts more weight on it and you can never have enough until they bend over and fix things!
At this point we can cope for 11.1 right?... right?
I'm also confused by the most recent Skyfury update. It's clearly Elemental based since it uses Icefury but it seems like it affects all 3 specs?
works now!
Hopefully Enhancement gets some love soon. Im a elemental player and Ele needed a massive change for a long time so it was deserved for them. Some changes should of came to Enhancement though
EDIT: at 8:55 - 8:57, to be fair Elemental doesnt exactly either lol even after the changes they just did. I hope they make Ascendance good again for all 3 specs soon. they still have time to
Doom WInds is something that could be removed all together and probably would be fie with it. I would rather to see some better abilitites being placed to fill the gap in Enhancement rotation, as at the moment there is no real one, its all about spamming whatever is flashing as Elementalist build and as a storm build, well, lets say SS is the only button you press for majority of the game...
Ascendance on the other hand can be redesigned, that icludes model update OR just dont use model, but rather a cool glow like Paladins have or whatever ( each spec could have different color glow and main element of the spec circulationg around you, to indicate power up ). If not, replace it all together, with something new for enhancement, even a stupid turning into a big feral spirit and be able to use all abilitites, that grants say 20% haste, and reduce cd of all abilitites by 30-50% (take your pick) and apply dot or whatever, Anything would probably be better than current ascendance.
And when it comes to spenders, oh where do I begin: they suck! It has been 14 years! Since Maelstrom Weapon became a part of Enhancement baseline, and the only spenders we had wa Lightning bolt OR Chain Lightning, then Ele blast was added, and now we also can use Lava Burst ( which is a good choice, if you dont crit much to activate Flurry) but this is not enough! Sundering could easily be a spender 1-3 maelstrom weapon used on Sundering could just modify dmg, 4th 1 sec incapacatating targets 5th 2 seconds, anything beyond that just dmg modififer...
Earthen Spike, somthing that dissapeared after BFA, not great talent, but it was good 20% dmg increase, especially with Sundering that was dealing some decent dmg back then, considering it has 40 sec cd!
Crash Lightning and converging storms should be merged or redesigned for single target purpose. Increase damage if struck 1 target or dmg bonus for Stormstrike when hitting 1 target, its that simple OR make this actually hit more than 1k?
Overall dissapointment, and was kind of expecting that, Feral Lunge and Maelstrom Weapon being baseline is fine, but so should Flurry... If there is no more changes throughout next week or 2 for Enhacnement i s either Reroll time or finishing this toxic relationship with Blizzard, as for the past 8 years or more Enhancement has been battered to the ground, once it gets a little bit good in PvP, gets nerfed next week, but when any other class is OP, then this stays like that for an entire season....
Players give massive in depth feedback, essentially getting their job done for them
Blizzard: ROFL LOLZ DUD NOT READ FERAL LUNGE BASELINE me best balancing! Time to play some candy crush
putting flurry in the spec tree is ridiculous, it should be baseline. i like the rotation of enhance currently but being locked in to the same two builds for another couple years? ugh
The problem there is that there is no shaman designer, I think it was previously hamletEJ, who created the dragon, he seems to have left the studio, having failed to work with the shaman. And what we see in dragonflight and war within, there are a lot of formal talents (just to fill the space of choice with something) and a lack of creative thought. It differs sharply from the design of other classes.
It is noticeable that they do not develop the class at all
Not saying this is true since i don't know but let's say that it is. Then i'm even more shocked that they didn't used the vast quantity of feedback they've been given by the shaman community.
Alot of it are quick easy fixes that doesn't require complete reworks.
I was honestly surprised when they talked about build diversity. There is one build and it's elementalist. Storm is either clunky af or a one button meme spec. So where exactly is the diversity.
I actually like the idea of doom winds and in S1 of Dragonflight you could pull off some whack M+ big pulls with all that sweet windfury damage. But while doom winds was on cd, it was pretty lame. Now on beta, DW is just bad and does pretty much nothing. I hoped I could play some storm with stormbringer hero talent but it still works best with good ol' elementalist. Sad times being a cookie cutter spec, without real choices.
The poor cleaning lady had to cook up all those changes.
My recommended changes:
1) Elemental weapons, 1 point node bring down to 4% per imbue.
2) Molten assault, 1 point node. Same effect as current 2 point node.
3) [This is a cook] change how ascendance works. 2 minute CD, 15 second duration. Lower initial damage, wind strike hits all targets with flame shock at 30% effectiveness, primary target takes full damage. Gives enh a legitimate CD that would feel good to press in AOE.
yeah kind of a bummer that every enhancement spec combination is really spell damage oriented. would be cool to have something that really focuses on physical damage and windfury procs. maybe something that turns sundering into a no cd spender or so. hell im still surprised there isnt a talent that turns you into a feral spirit permanently with new buttons.
Honest question: what does Enhancement bring to a raid now that no other spec already does better? I'm genuinely curious.
Warriors bring raid buff and execute, DHs bring +5% magic dmg and insane survivability, Paladins are just lol they have everything, DK also strong survivability and grip can be bonkers useful, Monks are also utility gods as just ROP justifies their spot on its own (+5% phys dmg btw), Rogues bring -3% boss dmg and cloak soaks and execute and survivability.
What's left is SV hunter and ferals who might get brought on for one boss per tier MAYBE. It's so sad that Enhancement is just gonna be another skeleton in the closet.
And this is not even talking about how irrelevant we're gonna be in TWW S1 M+ considering how S4 of DF panned out for us...
Edit: Fire Nova dead talent, Ascendance dead talent, Converging Storms dead talent, Totemic schizophrenic in design.
They already said they aren't done, yea?
I'm glad I don't main shaman anymore, I feel for you guys 😢
I dont understand why Ascendance, Deeply Rooted Elements and Primordial takes up so much space in all 3 specs. Its duplicated 3 times. If its for every shman maybe it should be in the class tree. Ascendance and DRE should not be a choice node. It should be possible to get both.
the issue with it being in the class tree is it would absorb a lot of your flexibility to get access to your utility nodes. you do not want throughput in the class tree
@@Drakshl i can partly understand the throughput argument but I honestly barely have any talents in the class tree that I want or need to get (enhancement). I basically have 12-15 free points to get whatever as long as it's better than literally taking nothing.
@@InkDevil999 Thats good you should be glad you have so much freedom to get utility
@@Drakshl except I don't really want any of the leftover choices because they are extremely situational, boring or downright useless. If we could have something like the PvP talents Stormweaver, Grounding Totem or Static Field Totem I would be happy. Hell Burrow is also interesting.
@@InkDevil999 shaman has a crazy amount of party utility in the tree you can take based on the situion which seems ideal
Enh should not have conflicting single target attack structures, as it does with Stormstrike and Lava lash. We need to create a unified structure where physical attacks will always play an important role in rotation. SS-wind fury, lava lash, flame shock and maelstrom spending on spells it good line-up. Well, it is necessary to arrange their interaction normally, like all other specializations, so that the abilities do not infringe on each other.
We need to further improve a lot of weak talents, doom winds, ascendance.
And to establish a PVP component, otherwise enhancement does not have a decent utility in terms of class and specialization itself.
10+ years shaman main here. Although I agree with the general complain... things like "ascendance on a 1 min cd with cd reduction such as feral spirits" sounds like a wet dream to be honest. If we remove these exaggerated ideas, I do agree that pretty much nothing was done for enhancement.
While i don't think they would ever do that change i still belive a low CD charge system would be great, doesn't have to have the CDR part!
I just like CDR stuff!
Blizzard likes Enhance not having dps cooldowns and being that dps class rather than burst, which is fine. But if that's what they want to do then I don't see why Ascendance being a low or lower cd to fit that gameplay is a bad idea. Hell make it 3 minutes with a cd reduction mechanic and I'd be more inclined to take it
remowe flurry enh tree...
To quote the classic malcolm in the middle line; I expected nothing and I'm still dissapointed.
I hate how ench has become elemental in melee disguise. I hate ranged spells in melee rotation. I want to play shaman that enchances his weapons with elements and has cool animations around him when he attacks with his weapons. I don't want ele spells in my rotation. Legion ench was fun. Crush lightning as aoe with sick animation, elemental wolves as siginficant cd, fast gameplay. I felt like melee elemental master. Now I feel like I'm playing castrated ele shaman with clump of spells that don't fit with each other. Not to mention primordial wave...this spell is not even elements themed.
lol no Enhance will always be a hybrid melee caster.
Been playing since Vanilla and people have always asked for this archetype.
Legion/BfA enhance was horse dung for most of us who played it from TBC-WoD. It was a tragedy when they reworked it to be a Stormstrike bot.
@@Amplifymagic Yeah? And I've been playing since Legion and I'm not "people". I have my own opinion that may be different than yours or "people's". Deal with it, I don't force you to change your opinion on that subject. I'm just stating mine.
@@bojato1234 your opinion is bad and only represent a new legion baby
@@Amplifymagic i hope u realize that u sound like an virgin.
i can understand the devs think they like enhancement GAMGPLAY the way it is with the two builds storm and elementalist and how they flow is good and i agree but how can they think a class middle of the pack in dps is fine and needs nothing?
the could have shortened Ascendance to a 2m cd buff windfury and stormstrike damage,get away from primodial wave thats a 4 year old talent from shadowlands and give double windfury to help storm build out more.
they could have done some things for enhacment.
at least the wolves are keeping me company...
we do have alot of wolfs.
was watching the video thinking, when is ancestral guidance going to come up. then 3 seconds later it was mentioned. i lold. this whole package has been a joke. and the enh discord has no more hair to pull. so its a bad joke
I just wanna have fun as enhancement and be ok... that's too much to ask I guess
Resto at least I can get faster wues and swap to elemental I guess... still sad
maaaaan you can get 2 trinkets and 2 1hs for enhance relatively easy, cmon now. With how gearing works and the vault like.. within a month after raids open you should be fine to freely swap between specs. But leveling enhance over ele/resto might be the move. If you look at his dps meter in this video they're pumping the whole fight.
If you're an Enhance Shaman main, what is selling you on buying TWW? Like I don't get it.
It is simple , you don't buy it like myself and move on. I had fun with other specs , but this game has nothing to offer - warlock mage and priest will continue to be broken and instead of reworking tanks to be on current VDH level , they just nerf and make every tanks boring wheelchairs with no spells.
actually rerolling does
@@Dimekaw Representation is our only form of protest so I guess that at least says something.
tell that to the WW community that's been small & punished for years.
They are getting some love now though.
@@StankieGaming I feel like WW has always been better in PvP than Enhance. I can't think of but maybe 1 season where that wasn't the case.
they really just doesnt like enha shams..
Immense disappointment with these changes, if this keeps up enh will be buried deep in the ground for me
I don't know why they are so afraid to give enhancement any love
Impressive listening to the players guys. Not. The worst company in the history of video gaming in recent history. On top of that, enha still has the same issues in pvp.
Devs clearly dont like enhance dats a fact
blizz is complete brainless for Enhancer they dont know what they should do and they dont use feedback from creators because then all cry you only hear for this ppl
It's ele/resto time now :P
i like how the 2 enhance are absolutely pumping in this video. dislike it all you want, i'd like them to merge firelash with stormstrike also. but they are pumping.
Sadly tuning hasn't really started on beta so how something pumps atm is mostly irrelevant. Then there's also the fact that most changes that players ask for has more to do with gameplay/synergi & QoL stuff.
Ofc more dmg is always nice, who says no to that.
U know… I played a mountain thane fury warrior and it feels more like the stormbringer enhancement shaman I imagine to be 🥲
No point putting effort into a spec played by 3 people
Hey i'm atleast 2 of those people!
@@StankieGaming I know enhance isn't a bad spec, but they definitely could have improved some of the cooldowns
I will never stop asking for 2 handed windfury back :( why cant enhance just have a 2 hander and a dual wielder version like frost DK??
Enhancement is getting its work next week. Ffs can’t you people read?
Where did they say that ?
@@Xtce87they said at the bottom that they’re continuing to work on it AND have a planned update for it in a TWW patch
@@christopherneil8265next week to a patch in the next expansion? Nowhere do they state Enhance is being reworked at all, just sounding like more cope.
Lol they said they are fine with the state of enhance, what your saying directly contradicts that. They literally don't play the game. And you can't read.
They did say so but they said specifically "Please note that we intend to continue tuning and iterating on the changes above throughout the Beta, and we also have plans for further updates that will come with a future patch in The War Within."
So, it was explained in the blue post that it was multiple changes coming to the shaman for each spec., so the first part was elemental shaman then the next part enhancement then the restoration shaman. so why do you say the enhancement is in a worst spot when there is still changes coming for it. man people are not too smart nowadays. like chill changes are coming for enhancement Sheez. read read the blue post
No they didn't. They said the Monday datamine didn't include all of the changes they would make. They made the rest of the changes on the Tuesday beta build. There aren't any changes besides those.
I read the blue post where it says "we’ve generally been pleased with the state and talent diversity of their specialization tree, so we’re approaching it with a lighter touch. We focused on baselining a few of their core spells and utility within their specialization tree to allow for more optionality in both the Core and Spec trees."
Now i might not be as smart as you but to me this does read as them not making any major changes or updates.
This is not what they said… This was the package with all the intended changes they have for now. Doesn’t mean there won’t be more changes, sure, but resto and ele both got extensive changes while they said they were generally happy with enhance and were giving it a lighter touch. What is with all these comments that think they have more enhance changes already on deck? These were those changes. This is that beta build.
@@seandurkin1941 Really like your optimism, but I play enhancement since 2005 and I have doubts. Please please Blizzard prove me wrong
Just a very emotional opinion, enhance gameplay is just fine and it did not get worse (flurry is the old windfury point). Be happy that your class is fun to play and that you got more tools in your class tree..
When you play Enh in m+ in dragonflight you never pick WF totem because that 1 talent point is worth more then WFT you only take it in raids.
So flurry being where it was is exactly the problem, if you want flurry you're going to have to sacrifice another very high value talent which is very punishing in m+ builds.
So yes it did get worse.
That being said, big fan of absorb totem but sucks that it requires 2 additional keybinds.
Enhance gameplay is fine if you only play Elementalist and are okay with setting a build and never changing it. Sure, it plays well enough and is enjoyable. Thats why we play it. But it still needs a lot of help, especially for Storm builds.
If you don't play the class or care why comment
@@listic2102 same reason you commenting on my comment