The bris, where they make fun of MGM and Brighton passes out (with good reason) they missed the best "laugh" though... They forgot to show the old bags unhinging their jaws to shovel in food by the semi-truck loads!
Either Fran and CC locked in the wine cellar, the one where Fran accidentally kidnaps a baby on the 6 train, or the truly bizarre animated Christmas special
i love how the "oh my god you're not gay!" is almost a play on the "oh my god you're gay!" plotlines that dominated 90s sitcoms. i never realised how clever that was!
In the episode Kissing Cousins Fran decides to take Val as her date to her cousin’s wedding and Sylvia says “you know what the family is gonna think!?” And Fran says “what Ma? That I’m gay?” And Sylvia says “that I don’t mind. But you couldn’t do better than Val!?” And Fran says “does Ellen really wanna put herself through this?” LOL
And Sylvia says “that I don’t mind. But you couldn’t do better than Val!?” Speaking of Jewish gay-adjacent humor, reminds me of the film "Kissing Jessica Stein": the same grandmother who thought all of Jessica's boyfriends "weren't good enough", now says of her girlfriend "but she's so flat-chested!" LOL
“What do you do if you have 4 queens?” “Gather around the piano and sing songs from gypsy” god help me I’ve always loved Niles deadpan humor and delivery
@@dsly4425and yet he constantly got cast in characters like that I've seen him play bad guys even it's very funny when you see him play a bad guy and he has that same upper crust sort of accent it sounds almost Bostonian in its flavor, like I said it's very funny when you think about it.
That man shaped my humour when I was a kid and watched the show with my mom sometimes, to the depressed teen who binged all of it, and oh boy can you tell. I love him so much
Fran turned what could have been a tragedy(having to divorce a husband she adored cos he was gay) and became a real ally & champion for gay people. She's like Dolly Parton. A wholesome national treasure.
She went through hell in the 80's due to a home invasion. Her husband supported her through it. They are bound, I think, as loving allies and old friends. She is an incredibly admirable survivor, too.
@@dontbefatuousjeffrey2494 I believe they’ve both admitted that there was a brief time when they were going through the divorce that things weren’t that great between them. And I believe I’ve heard Fran say that in an interview that the invasion and subsequent assault also took a real toll on their marriage.
That happens when you marry one of your best friends. So sad some people just can't take it with love and compassion (not that they are obliged to, it's just so many kinds of sad).
makes sense. her ex-husband is gay. despite initial issues after their divorce, the two of them genuinely care about each other and are great friends to this day
I watched an interview where she was like: "I spent a lot of tme with my ex husband. We together, we call each other constantly and he`s my best friend... maybe that`s why we`re both still single." Just gotta love her charm
I love the moment where Brighton wants to do ballet and Max hates the idea but Niles puts him in his place. “He should do something masculine like…like…” “Musical theatre?” Lol
@@vena6481 It is quite possible to admire a man for his good points without letting his bad points negate that. How fair is it really to attack the character of a dead man who can no longer defend himself?
As a straight guy who got mistaken for gay by several guys that wanted to ask me out, I can confirm it's not a big deal. It's AMAZING how simply saying "Sorry man, I'm not gay, but thanks anyway" works! Shocking!
@@kniddelliz7512 yeah, the dynamic is totally different. I live in the south in the US, so the risk of violence from gay panic is pretty high. So most of them, I feel were worried that once it was made clear they were gay and interested in me, but their gaydar was clearly being jammed, they would worry I might attack them. Back then I was in pretty good physical shape. Not muscular but I'm very tall, and had a "wiry but muscular" build I guess you could say. I knew how to defend myself, so I could see them worrying about that. That's my theory anyway, as they would often have a flash of panic run across their face when I turned them down. It was either just embarrassment, or genuine fear for their safety. Given when this was (early 2000's), my guess is the latter.
@@kniddelliz7512 As a cis woman, being hit on many times, I often have had to turn down offers. I think it's because I own power tools and drive a stick. lol We've usually remained friends, or at least, not hostile.
Fran also didn’t assume that the other “female rivalry” liked her after she came out as gay to her. She just rolled with it and let the women ask her out without assuming she was into her ❤️
Same here. I grew up watching this show and I think this helped shape my love and acceptance for both myself and others. It showed me that it was okay to stand out and be different
I don't think I ever paid attention to just how like loving and kind and accepting this show was but I'm trans and looking back the fact this show was so just sweet and nonschalant and treated gay characters as just normal people was probably part of why I loved it so much. Well that and everything about Niles was how I saw myself at the time X'D now I'm not nearly as "mean" even in a joking way like he is as Niles is.
If you are a gen z you are still very young. You don’t have to normalize a lifestyle IF deep down you don’t want to. A lot of people struggle with sexuality but with some help they grow into their role! There also are prayers to help you with this spiritual battle. Try praying the Rosary everyday, seeking Jesus and Mary’ s guidance. Mary is immaculate and above all the sexual temptation and impurity we have to battle everyday. God bless you
As a young gay child growing up in the 90s, I was drawn to The Nanny because of Fran’s fashions and her bigger than life personality. She was camp, glamorous, and funny, all at once. She very much appealed to my queer sensibilities.
I loved how all these "gay jokes" NEVER minimize gay people and never make them sort of a butt of the joke. This bothered me a lot on other older tv shows when gay people were left as a punch line, which always made me feel bad. And the nanny just swooped in and made me feel loved and most importantly... Normal. Ordinary. I will forever be thankful to Fran for that. Incredible actress and producer
I remember when Mr sheffield got an award and Fran kissed him to congratulate. Ms Babcock nudged Fran and said “what about me?”. And Fran kissed CC without hesitation. Haha cracks me up everytime. The Nanny casts are a riot 😭
That's hilarious. I only started watching this show (reruns) about 6 months ago. I caught it on late night tv. A buddy of mine loved this show years ago.
Im hella late to this but i grew up gay in Flushing, nearby to her irl family, actually. Seeing her on tv being so casually accepting went a loooong way to helping my parents(i was a teen in the 90’s)even begin to accept me. Fran’s a personal hero, and i came to watch this bc of her amazing union work.
my first boyfriend and his mother *who resembles fran" were massive fans. i didnt like the show that much ,but it definitely made me feel accepted as the boyfriend of their son.
I met her once while working at a Lowe’s in South Florida. She was shopping with her mom and came up to the Customer Service desk. She wasn’t wearing any makeup so I wasn’t sure at first, but once I heard her voice I was like “hey, has anyone every told you that you sound and look just like Fran from the Nanny?” She gave me the biggest smile and confirmed it was her. I started fangirling so bad cuz I couldn’t believe she was right there in front of me. I use to love watching her show and her fashion style greatly influenced mine. Both her and her mom were so incredibly sweet and down to earth. I feel honored to have met her.
Dresher's husband divorced her because he came out as Gay and he produced the show with her, so it's not surprising The Nanny handled Gay themes so well.
actually that came, later. but you know, what their story was? what her hasband said, what may have triggered him? that horrible experience, they had? I think, all that came out as well. she was always relaxed about this, even, when it wasn't something she knew from her close family. I think, that made it easier. I love, how they stayed in touch and still are close different than before.
Fran's family would have been happy with her marrying a lesbian, as long as she was willing to convert lol. I love Fran. She was the first working class character I ever saw who weaponized fashion. Because when you're not well respected, you can modulate the behavior of others through your wardrobe. It's like magic. I didn't know that show influenced me in so many positive ways until years later, but it's true.
Sylvia: 'Do you know what people will think if you came to the wedding with Val?' Fran: 'What? That I'm gay?' Sylvia: 'That... I don't mind, but you couldn't have DONE BETTER THAN VAL??!!!' Hilarious xD
@@GlennDavey there was a weird push and pull. It seems like the 70s was trying to be progressive then it kinda went backward, then it started to get better in the late 80s and early 90s... then the 90s had a sort of “funny homophobia” like on Friends with notable exceptions... it’s weird. There might be a video already out there about this.
I wish my mom was like this. She doesn't want me to wear a suit to a wedding because she's afraid people will think I'm gay or trans. Why can't she be worried that they'll think red isn't my color??
In Friends, the gay joke came off as hostile and disapproving. In the Nanny, Fran manages to take a then controversial trait and normalize it. How you take off and land the joke makes all the difference
Ross was always very disapproving of feminine traits on men, like when he tried to stop Ben from playing with Barbies. It most likely stems from his trauma of being bullied for acting like a girl as a kid. Monica mentioned this at some point, and it gets mentioned a few times in the series in different ways. Because of this, he probably demeans it every time he sees such traits. Chandler just has self-esteem issues, so the moment people see him for something he isn't he questions why people would come to that conclusion. He's fine with gay people, he sometimes even wishes he was gay or has very homoerotic moments (especially with Joey) throughout the series. It's just not who he is though, he doesn't like being thought of something he isn't no matter what it is.
Friends is weirdly incosistent, where main characters are weirdly homophobic(Ross with male Nanny and Ben playing with barbies, Chandler and Joey's dynamic where hugging is awkward, the way Chandler talks about his dad), but side characters are actually portrayed okay(Susan and Carol presended as normal people, Phoebe's green-card-husband where they feature the simmilar "you're straight? do your parents know?" scene).
Tiramisu is an Italian dessert made of lady fingers or sponge cake soaked in coffee liqueur, layered with mascarpone cheese, and dusted with espresso powder. It's delicious.
@@nicolasmorist4427 i think its more like the stereotype that gay people are very well depthed in being cultured in foods, fashion, etc so they would have to know something as 'fancy' as tiramisu
This description of a tiramisu almost gave me a heart attack 😄 Trash the sponge cake, coffee liqueur and espresso powder. Ladyfingers dipped in amaretto-spiked espresso, layered with creamy mascarpone, dusted with cocoa powder. That's where the Italian dessert heaven lies 🤤
I liked the gay stereotypes that Fran had with kurt because its stereotypes that many people have, and she tore them down by making kurt straight after all, it was a "don't judge a book by its cover" type situation.
The best way to tear down a stereotype is to apply it's logic to people it doesn't match, especially in sitcoms. It's just a matter of how it's handled, as we've seen both examples of the right and wrong way to go about it in these clips
The episode with Sydney made me realize that as a woman is okay to like other women. Which was huge for a 10 year old that was feeling ashamed of liking women too. It was a moment of clarity for me
There are a lot of jokes about niles being gay but it’s never present as something bad and niles doesn’t resent it and sometimes plays along and accepts it.
@@alessia9328 Honestly, he is, but I really did like the whole Niles and CC, ending up together thing. It works so well to me because they never truly seemed like full enemies, and it just became a game to them with their zingers most of the time.
I love the next bit where Sydney starts making a move and Fran goes “um I’m letting go and you’re not... why?” “Aren’t you gay too?” “No!” “I just assumed. You’re over thirty, you’ve never been married.” “Oh honey I’m not gay I’m just pathetic.” Looool.
As a kid I remember loving nanny but never knowing why In retrospect it’s a show that doesn’t isolate . Instead treats each character. Their background and experiences with kindness inclusion and humour Fran is truly a revolutionary and deserves far more celebration for the role she has played in aiding queen culture into the mainstream
I was rewatching this show recently on HBO Max and I was fully thinking about how the entire time Fran and the show as a whole never once punches down on gay people. Honestly at times it felt like a celebration. Fran was truly an ally.
Honestly, I am shocked at how many people out there are ok with living a certain kind of lifestyle, how can you possibly sleep at night knowing you've never tried tiramisu?
I wish this video had been longer. Fran Drescher is a true master of comedy. The Nanny was a phenomenal show that embraced pretty much everybody. I love it!
@@Seanonyoutube There's a lot of desserts out there; I'm lucky the diner I went to growing up always had it, since it's way up there on my list of favorite desserts. For anyone who doesn't know, it's espresso and possibly coffee liqueur soaked ladyfingers/savoiardi biscuits layered with a mascarpone filling. It's fluffy, sweet, coffee-ish, and amazing.
Fran had a family member who loved to dress in drag as Cher and it was just cool he even made an appearance. I found the musical gay joke funnier because it was an assumption that she made that was wrong and proved that straight men also liked musical theater outside of making money off it.
Fran is a very sweet person. My, now ex fiancee, redid all the electric wiring in her home back in the Nanny days. I completely understand her relationship with Peter. My first husband, came out as trans after we separated, she is still family. My current husband, myself and our kids all lived together with my ex for years while she was beginning the transition. We were a family unit because we still catted for each other we just shouldn't have been married. I think it's a similar situation for Fran, she loves Peter, they just didn't make a good marriage together.
I've been binge-watching the show now that it's finally available on streaming. In one of the episodes, Fran talks about taking Val as her +1 to an event and Sylvia gets upset. Fran asks if it's because people will think they're gay; Sylvia says "No, it's because you can do much better than Val". I really appreciate the way the show treats gay characters/jokes/stories, especially for the 90's
One of my favorite moments of The Nanny is where Fran and her friend Val are hanging a sign for Fran’s love of Mr Sheffield. Val falls off and leaves Fran hanging there. Val yells up that there are a lot of attractive fit men down there. Fran yell down “get phone numbers.” Val yells back “there are no women.” Fran yells back “get recipes.” It was just a very funny moment and wasn’t offensive. They made a gay joke and nobody’s feeling we’re hurt. Fran definitely was a supporter and didn’t want to make the community the butt of the joke.
Never understood people that think having people of different races and sexual orientations is deemed forced. Like this is based on a reality. The world is pretty much like this!
The problem is that a lot of diverse characters are only there for being diverse and not characters who happen to be divers. I want good characters and then I don't care if they are gay, straight, polyamorous, aro...
@@blauespony1013 Feel the Same, shows put lgbtq+ people into shows, mostly as the "Good" friend of the Main charakter or just adds them in for one Episode were they get mentioned or have a few scenes and are only seen in the Background sometimes. It is sad to think that having the main Charakter not be straight seems to be a big problem for many, or atleast the Producers. But then i will also say, i hate series or movies when they turn straight charakters into gay or lgbtq+ or another race just to be more "diverse" then the Original. It bothers me since, sure i want to see more diversity, but not just as a addon to make more people watch the show/movie.
@@missylarsson3517 True, sadly there are a lot of people out there who have not figured out that being gay is not "unnatural" (it happens in animals, too) or "against God's law" (I don't think God's laws apply to animals and as I mentioned: I have seen gay or bi relationships in the animal world.) Then again most (popular) characters get shit for something.
When Niles and CC got together in the end I was sure they were eachother's beards. They hated eachother... because they were in love with eachother... because they were both deeply closeted. I always imagined they lived happily ever after, having a lovely omnisexual life together on opposite sides of the spectrum, meeting surprisingly in the middle. 😊
Re-watching this after seeing Fran's speech about the SAG actors strike in support of the writers strike. I love the work you do and find so much joy in the content you create.❤
I have no idea how I ended up here. I'm a straight white guy approaching mid fifty and my regular youtube consumption is mostly gaming videos. But I'm glad I did, I've burned through about a dozen videos so far and I've been very entertained by your analysis of all these films and television shows.
i think its so cool that youre watching these vids, it means youre probably much more informed and able to be a good ally!! i hope youre having a good week :))
Same strait woman in 50's. this guy is cleaver and intelligent and is great to stumble on pov you would not have yourself... breaking chains of Plato's cave🙂⛓⚖🏖
The main difference between the scene from Friends and the scene in The Nanny is simple; Shandler reacts with "concern" while Fran reacts with utter indifference.
Chandler in the end gets offended that his coworker thinks that a gay coworker is out of his league, saying that he can totally get with him if he wanted to.
Yea but this is specified in other episodes. Chandler has a lot of insecurities towards his sexuality because his dad came out as gay - causing his family to fall apart.
Late to the party but I also love how Fran's reaction to Sydney's coming out was a big hug - no discomfort at all with "will she think I'm interested?" nonsense. (chef's kiss)
One thing I want to add is that multiple times Yetta, Fran’s grandmother, not only shows support for the queer community but also seems interested in a woman
Look as a femme lesbian (with curly brown hair to boot), Fran is 100% one of my major style inspos. The color construction and ‘gaudy’ conception is so valuable for me and creating my tastes
Same. IDK why but as a femme lesbian with a ginormous curly fro’ I felt so at home with The Nanny. Her wardrobe, joie de vivre and issues dating reminded me of how I feel as a more flamboyant lesbian in the dating field...like a fish out of water in the sea of muted colors, chelsea boots, pants and plaid. I feel like the more I view the show, the more I see Fran not so much as a non-wealthy proudly Jewish woman that wasn’t keen on just being the goals for a “white person” back then. And showed how fun and delightful it is to be to just “be”. Fran is as someone that’s proud of all of her idiosyncrasies and embraces herself as opposed to fighting herself. That’s always been the message of the show. To just be and have fun with life and enjoy life as opposed to trying to be as plain and typical as possible. I think she’s a stand-in for everyone that refuses to be a stereotype or typical. The show will always be comfort food for me.
I'm from the Netherlands and as far as I remember, Dutch tv shows never shied away from LGBTQ+ subjects. The Nanny was one of the English language shows that helped me learn English as I was growing up. It never occurred to me how groundbreaking their takes on certain subjects were at the time, cause this always seemed very normal to me. Go Fran Drescher!
Season 3 episode 15 - Fashion Show. The shows costume designer Brenda Cooper put together Fran’s signature looks from a variety of sources (Bob Mackie, Moschino, Todd Oldham) “For the most part, there’s never a piece of clothing that came out of a store and went on set. It always got shifted or changed, or embellished. With Todd’s outfits, you never had to elevate or embellish stuff,” Cooper says.
Say what anyone will... but I loved that Roseanne (before she became a right wing mouthpiece) had the guts to assault him in the 9th season episode he guest starred in. She was right. Fashion is fun but even gays have historically been pretty sexist within the industry.
On the older generations being more accepting of gay people in the Nanny, there is a great moment in an episode were Fran wants to attend to a family gathering with Val, and Silvia is mad at this, Fran asks if is because she's afraid their family will think that she (Frank) is gay, and Silvia says that she wouldn't mind if Fran was gay, she just wants her to do better than Val 😂
@@professorrosenstock5026 there is actually a really interesting and unique French movie on this were this *very* specific theme is a subtheme to the main theme of hiding from and falling victim to nazi persecutions at the time, from jewish and gay perspective!
I met Fran once when she came to my town for a comedy festival. She was as sweet and funny in real life as on TV. And she made a joke about how she rose to being Judy Garland level gay icon status after the divorce with her gay husband, lmao
Sylvia: “What’s this I hear about you’re going to the wedding with Val? You know what the family is going to think?” Fran: “What, Ma? That I’m gay?” Sylvia: “That, I don’t mind. But you couldn’t do better than Val?”
Even now, at the Writer's Strike, Fran's still taking the right side of history by giving big speeches that actively support SAG's fight for better working conditions. It feels kind-of wild that she's not as talked about anymore, this is all great stuff. She feels like she really gets what it means to be progressive and she's 100% willing to let her actions speak for her as well.
Of course someone as gorgeous as Fran is supportive of LGBT people. Hearing her talk about her favorite part of the movie being how it wasn't centered on gay angst is genuinely touching - for a straight person to understand that idea, it gives me hope. She's an amazing woman, and I'll never stop trying and failing to imitate her ❤
Fran Drescher is a true gay icon, ally and hero. I've always loved her for that. And The Christmas Set-up IS amazing because it's an angst-free romance, schmaltzy and wonderful. Thanks Fran! 💓💕💓💕💓
My favorite gay joke in the series is Sylvia thinking that Fran and Val were in a relationship together. "[Being gay] I don't mind, but you couldn't do better than Val?!"
Oh My God, and when Maxwell's producer Sidney said she was a lesbian, Fran asked her, "You're not Jewish are you?" Abd she said no, Fran said, "O damn, we would've made my mother happy."
I always thought I liked The Nanny a little bit too much. Now I understand why it's not "too much" at all. I had never realized this about The Nanny, and it's so great! I had realized that in Friends it was treated as a nuisance at best, and more often than not as something wrong. And it bothered me. But with The Nanny I guess I had never realized how well these characters are treated maybe because it's so casual. I love this. Thank you for pointing it out! 😊
I met her at Schiphol airport in 2002 while I was buying duty free chocolate. The minute I heard her voice I knew who she was. I turned to the guy standing next to me and said "That sounds like Fran D." It was her husband. They were there for Queens Day the day we were leaving. I was embarrassed, but he insisted I chat with her. I was just a very young gay fan and blushed from head to toe. We talked about how she was looking forward to celebrating in Amsterdam and the fact I was hungover for the flight home. I held it together long enough to get her to autograph my last 5 Guilder banknote. I treasure it to this day.
@@mikkithemeche Right?! When I first started watching the show I was like 'Niles your jokes are funny but have you seen this SHIKSA GODDESS! Stop playin'
Tiramisu is an Italian dessert. Kinda chocolatish with coffee, super spongy and creamy and really good. Great vid btw! My mom used to watch this show when I was a kid all the time and I really do think it helped me growing up to accept the lgbtq community as a part of every day life rather than a novelty despite my very Catholic upbringing. Never even realized it, so cheers and thanks!
The Nanny was my semi-guilty pleasure back when it aired. I was strangely attracted to C.C. and her power suits way before figuring out I wasn't straight. And I absolutely loved Fran's outfits.
Tiramisu is a coffee-flavoured Italian dessert. It is made of ladyfingers (savoiardi) dipped in coffee, layered with a whipped mixture of eggs, sugar, and mascarpone cheese, flavoured with cocoa. The recipe has been adapted into many varieties of cakes and other desserts. - from Wikipedia
@@sogghartha traditional tiramisu doesn't have rum. They use other alcohol (an italian friend of mine used marsala). I know people change it up with different types of alcohol, but rum isn't essential (also I'm not a rum fan so I'd lean a different direction personally as well).
you forgot the meaning of the word, 'pick me up'. In Belgium, the version with speculaas (Biscoff) is at least as popular, if not more. It's not as airy, but oh, so good. I've had it with the ladyfingers dipped in ameretto as well. Or at least a caffè corretto.
Thanks, I just finished watching all Nany episodes from start to finish and loved the Nanny so much. You hit on something I didn't overtly twig to when watching the show but explains so logically some of the Je ne sais quoi about her attractiveness and beauty.
Ugh literal tears in my eyes. The Nanny was the only sitcom I'd watch as a kid, then I thought it was because they were Jewish and the yelling reminded me of my family, then in my teens I thought it was because I had a big fat crush on Fran (which I did), and maybe it was both of those things as well, but you really put an articulate and 'fine' point on it here: In Frans world people like me, who felt like me, didn't stand out, weren't ridiculed or made to be a conflict, we just existed the same as anybody else with our own problems and relationships. A fantastic video, great job 💕💕
The Nanny is a fashionable unapologetic woman who marries a man who is an important figure in Broadway. She has no option but to be loved and accepting of the gays.
The most deeply offensive part of Friends’ Male Nanny episode is FPJ’s response to Ross’s suspicion. He holds up his hands defensively and reassured them ‘I’m not gay’ and the whole exchange is delivered in a ‘you don’t need to worry’ tone. Makes my stomach flip.
Hold on. Lenny and Squiggy are in the Nanny. Laverne and Shirley was a spin-off of Happy Days. Mork and Mindy is also a spin-off of Happy Days. Aliens exist in the Nanny universe.
The Nanny also had crossover with Murphy Brown, connecting all the Happy Days shows with the shared-universe of The Dick Van Dyke Show, I Dream of Jeanne, The Bob Newhart Show, Cheers, Newhart, St. Elsewhere, Murphy Brown, Coach, Seinfeld, Wings, Home Improvement, Mad About You, Frasier, The Nanny, Ellen, Friends, Caroline in the City, and The Drew Carey Show. So aliens and genies exist in all of these.
@@MommyOfZoeAndLiam my parents were never open about qweer people, but I had the same feelings for the scene of Rose and other similar situations. Now I understand that I must have always thought everybody can love whom they want. Let’s me feel a bit proud to have my own thinking 😁
there's a great episode in season five where a Chinese exchange student that Fran and val "adopted" through school donations finally comes to new york to visit. the episode frames them as two moms vying for their single daughter's attention in a way that did not feel like it was making a mockery of gay parents. as a lesbian I loved it and found the bickering very relatable and funny. the episode ends with fran distraught that val wants to "divorce" before patching things up
The Nanny is a legend here in México. I grew up watching her, fell in love of course. But now I realized how progressive she was. I love her even more now.
Congratulations to Fran Drescher circa 2021. Just announced that she will be the first spokesperson for Laura Geller cosmetics as they focus their brand towards women over 40. Fran is fabulous and beautiful. 👍❤️🥰
I think the Golden Girls was incredibly progressive for its time as well. In this case, I think if it had been any other character…there wouldn’t have been a big reaction. Blanche, Dorothy, and Sylvia are very open about the gays and accepting them and Rose learned through them. Rose grew up in a very small town where it doesn’t seem there was much variety. In that episode, however, the lady is Dorothy’s friend who came to visit them and developed a crush on Rose. I think they leaned into her small town heritage and her expressive/dumb/silly personality and face to sell the joke. This episode was used as a learning tool and wasn’t a call for outrage against gay people.
I'm actually a Golden Girls fanatic and have to somewhat disagree with you. Blanche is actually surprisingly uncomfortable with her brother being gay. You could argue that the Blanche character should think that being gay is no big deal, but that isn't how the writers wrote the script when her brother Clayton came to visit. The episode where Dorothy's friend falls in love with Rose doesn't so much reveal Rose to be uncomfortable with gay people but rather just uncomfortable because she didn't realize that anything other than feelings of friendship were developing. The episode basically ends with her saying that she's flattered to be thought of in that way but doesn't reciprocate those feelings. I think the clip from that episode shown in this video was taken out of context and gives the wrong impression, just as the clip from Maude that was shown here.
the tiramisu line is especially funny if you lived in nyc in the 90s because you couldn't step into any restaurant, cafe, or diner without seeing tiramisu on the menu for a while
Especially since most consider it a kind of cake that is (yes, I got this off Wikipedia 'cause I didn't want to get this wrong) "made of ladyfingers (savoiardi) dipped in coffee, layered with a whipped mixture of eggs, sugar, and mascarpone cheese, flavoured with cocoa." Apparently it was a popular cake the decade I was born. *thinks*
Speaking as a European ;-) Tiramisu is a very classic Italian desert you are likely to find in any true Italian restaurant. It's neither a trend nor something new; it might just not have caught on as well as pizza in the US of A ;-)
As a queer person who watched the Nanny when I very young, I wouldn't be surprised if the show rewired my brain without me even remembering because even before I realized I was gay I had a very similar attitude towards homosexuality that Fran did
I remember, as a girl growing up in the 1990's in France, The Nanny was the first time I even heard the word "gay" in that sense. It really resonated with me, even though I'm asexual, not gay.
My first exposure to Fran Drescher was UHF and I loved her immediately. And when our tv only got 6 channels, one of them was TV Land and I watched endless hours of The Nanny. I’m not sure how much of an effect it had on making me comfortable with myself as a queer person, but it was important to me nonetheless. Seeing her officiate that wedding got me tearing up. What a wonderful woman
This reminds me of Mrs Doubtfire, when Uncle Frank and Aunt Jack were funny, caring, supportive characters to our protagonist, and we as kids never knew they were a married gay couple because if Robin Williams loved them and never made a big deal about it, then we loved them and never made a big deal about it.
@@valeriecherish449 Don't disagree with you on that, but to the creators' credit they do censor the transphobic stuff in recent releases. And our crossdressing hero ends the movie being a Mr. Rogers-like children's television figure.
@@Vesperitis I didn't know they censored it, now. I love the ending of the movie! Honestly, it is one of my all time fav movies, it's just tough to swallow one or two jokes now that I'm on the receiving end. I love it, though, still. Total classic.
I remember watching The Nanny at 9pm as a teenager (and this was in the late 00’s) 💯 gave me comfort in realizing my sexuality. It was nice to have a show not mock but instead acknowledge gays. Nowadays there’s a lot of shows (finally) that do what the Nanny has done. The Nanny paved the way for shows to acknowledge gays and be okay with it. Took a very long time but I’m glad it’s finally here ♥️
They also make a like positive joke about trans people in a later episode, Fran's mum makes a joke about collecting two social securities, its funny and kinda affirming, and genuinely crucially for the 90s they don't then misgender the person.
I remember watching the show as a kid, but I was always afraid to revisit it as an adult because some tv series simply don't age well and I didn't want my childhood memories ruined. I'm glad I found your video and evidence that the show was queer friendly. Thank you for this!!
IT has, sincerely, aged better than even sitcoms from the early 2000's. I love sitcoms, and The Nanny is a lot less problematic than Friends, How I met your mother, The Big Bang Theory, Two and a Half men and the list goes on. It's amazing how well the show has aged.
It has aged SO well! The only thing that really hasn't, is the underlining fatphobia that was present EVERYWHERE in the 90's and still is in a lot of places. It's why I can't binge the show anymore, BUT i do still watch a few episodes every once in a while and I DO stil ADORE the show as a whole!
What’s everyone’s favourite episode of The Nanny?
The bris, where they make fun of MGM and Brighton passes out (with good reason) they missed the best "laugh" though... They forgot to show the old bags unhinging their jaws to shovel in food by the semi-truck loads!
Season 3. Love is A Many Blundered Thing. There's magic when Val and Fran are up to something.
The one's were Niles is with CC, tbh!
Either Fran and CC locked in the wine cellar, the one where Fran accidentally kidnaps a baby on the 6 train, or the truly bizarre animated Christmas special
That's like asking me to pick a favorite friend I can't do it!
i love how the "oh my god you're not gay!" is almost a play on the "oh my god you're gay!" plotlines that dominated 90s sitcoms. i never realised how clever that was!
Same
And the “does your mother know?” always makes me giggle
Well, yeah, that was the point.
I was a kid when this show aired and I think I should revisit it as an adult.
This!
In the episode Kissing Cousins Fran decides to take Val as her date to her cousin’s wedding and Sylvia says “you know what the family is gonna think!?” And Fran says “what Ma? That I’m gay?” And Sylvia says “that I don’t mind. But you couldn’t do better than Val!?” And Fran says “does Ellen really wanna put herself through this?” LOL
"but you couldn't do better than val?" 😭😭😭😭😭
AHHAHAHAHHAHA
And Sylvia says “that I don’t mind. But you couldn’t do better than Val!?”
Speaking of Jewish gay-adjacent humor, reminds me of the film "Kissing Jessica Stein": the same grandmother who thought all of Jessica's boyfriends "weren't good enough", now says of her girlfriend "but she's so flat-chested!" LOL
@@lilenwasnothere6867That's actually mean, considering that Sylvia has known Val since she was a little girl.
@@PintheDog I think that is the point, Sylvia know Val and what shes like lol
“What do you do if you have 4 queens?”
“Gather around the piano and sing songs from gypsy” god help me I’ve always loved Niles deadpan humor and delivery
Oh yeah, Niles is great. The deadpan snarky British butler may be a trope but by gosh it's a good one.
@@KnightRaymundfun fact. The actor wasn’t British. Daniel Davis is from either Texas or Arkansas.
@@dsly4425and yet he constantly got cast in characters like that I've seen him play bad guys even it's very funny when you see him play a bad guy and he has that same upper crust sort of accent it sounds almost Bostonian in its flavor, like I said it's very funny when you think about it.
That man shaped my humour when I was a kid and watched the show with my mom sometimes, to the depressed teen who binged all of it, and oh boy can you tell. I love him so much
Please do not use that word. It’s a slur for Romani people
Fran turned what could have been a tragedy(having to divorce a husband she adored cos he was gay) and became a real ally & champion for gay people. She's like Dolly Parton. A wholesome national treasure.
She went through hell in the 80's due to a home invasion. Her husband supported her through it.
They are bound, I think, as loving allies and old friends. She is an incredibly admirable survivor, too.
@@dontbefatuousjeffrey2494 I believe they’ve both admitted that there was a brief time when they were going through the divorce that things weren’t that great between them. And I believe I’ve heard Fran say that in an interview that the invasion and subsequent assault also took a real toll on their marriage.
That happens when you marry one of your best friends. So sad some people just can't take it with love and compassion (not that they are obliged to, it's just so many kinds of sad).
That's real, true love.
Hands down, Fran Drescher is a warrior love goddess and deserves everything good in this world.
makes sense. her ex-husband is gay. despite initial issues after their divorce, the two of them genuinely care about each other and are great friends to this day
Plus, he was one of the main writers and executive producers. I’m sure a lot of this aspect of the show was influenced by his own sexuality
@@fey0217 yeah. Too bad they stopped happily divorced.
I watched an interview where she was like: "I spent a lot of tme with my ex husband. We together, we call each other constantly and he`s my best friend... maybe that`s why we`re both still single."
Just gotta love her charm
Ohhh, so that explains Happily Divorced lol
He was present when she was horrifically assaulted in '85. They have a very supportive relationship. I really admire and respect her.
I love the moment where Brighton wants to do ballet and Max hates the idea but Niles puts him in his place.
“He should do something masculine like…like…”
“Musical theatre?”
Lol
Fran Drescher and Dolly Parton need to be the first people cryogenically frozen when we perfect the technology.
That's if all our top scientists aren't busy finding a body for Walt Disney's head.
Walt Disney can rot
@@shadetreader Well, that's not a very magical attitude.
@@ianmichalski7997
to be fair, i dont think racism, sexism and anti-semitism is very magical either 😳
@@vena6481 It is quite possible to admire a man for his good points without letting his bad points negate that. How fair is it really to attack the character of a dead man who can no longer defend himself?
As a straight guy who got mistaken for gay by several guys that wanted to ask me out, I can confirm it's not a big deal. It's AMAZING how simply saying "Sorry man, I'm not gay, but thanks anyway" works! Shocking!
As a gay woman being hit on my straight men a lot, that line does unfortunately not always work :(
@@kniddelliz7512 yeah, the dynamic is totally different. I live in the south in the US, so the risk of violence from gay panic is pretty high. So most of them, I feel were worried that once it was made clear they were gay and interested in me, but their gaydar was clearly being jammed, they would worry I might attack them. Back then I was in pretty good physical shape. Not muscular but I'm very tall, and had a "wiry but muscular" build I guess you could say. I knew how to defend myself, so I could see them worrying about that. That's my theory anyway, as they would often have a flash of panic run across their face when I turned them down. It was either just embarrassment, or genuine fear for their safety. Given when this was (early 2000's), my guess is the latter.
I'm straight on on the occasion that a homosexual hit on me I took it as compliment, and politely informed them of my orientation.
@@kniddelliz7512 As a cis woman, being hit on many times, I often have had to turn down offers. I think it's because I own power tools and drive a stick. lol
We've usually remained friends, or at least, not hostile.
That's easily the best rejection ever, Not even among us we are that polite, well, we learn not to be
Fran also didn’t assume that the other “female rivalry” liked her after she came out as gay to her. She just rolled with it and let the women ask her out without assuming she was into her ❤️
Frrr
yoooooo
Only if shes also jewish ok gotta think about what your mom is gonna say about it XD
Even as a GenZ, Fran's reaction to the blond gay woman 'coming out' helped me normalize myself, a lot
Same here. I grew up watching this show and I think this helped shape my love and acceptance for both myself and others. It showed me that it was okay to stand out and be different
more importantly, Fran is funny as hell
I don't think I ever paid attention to just how like loving and kind and accepting this show was but I'm trans and looking back the fact this show was so just sweet and nonschalant and treated gay characters as just normal people was probably part of why I loved it so much. Well that and everything about Niles was how I saw myself at the time X'D now I'm not nearly as "mean" even in a joking way like he is as Niles is.
If you are a gen z you are still very young. You don’t have to normalize a lifestyle IF deep down you don’t want to. A lot of people struggle with sexuality but with some help they grow into their role! There also are prayers to help you with this spiritual battle. Try praying the Rosary everyday, seeking Jesus and Mary’ s guidance. Mary is immaculate and above all the sexual temptation and impurity we have to battle everyday. God bless you
@@FoundSheep-AN being lgbt is a lifestyle?
As a young gay child growing up in the 90s, I was drawn to The Nanny because of Fran’s fashions and her bigger than life personality. She was camp, glamorous, and funny, all at once. She very much appealed to my queer sensibilities.
Yeah same.
I mean i am pan but still i loved that show growing up
Same here!!
If you're interested in the fashion of The Nanny, watch this deep dive:
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@@NextToToddliness Yes! I've seen it! It's a fabulous look at the costume design on the show.
💜💜
And now she's fighting for the rights of writers and actors. Fran Drescher is an absolute legend!!
I loved how all these "gay jokes" NEVER minimize gay people and never make them sort of a butt of the joke. This bothered me a lot on other older tv shows when gay people were left as a punch line, which always made me feel bad. And the nanny just swooped in and made me feel loved and most importantly... Normal. Ordinary. I will forever be thankful to Fran for that. Incredible actress and producer
Exactly. The difference is whether or not a gay person could actually find it funny themselves.
except it does
@@aoshinn no it doesn't lmao
She doesn't punch down. She's for the community. 😊❤
"Friends" was the worst with the offensive gay jokes
I remember when Mr sheffield got an award and Fran kissed him to congratulate. Ms Babcock nudged Fran and said “what about me?”. And Fran kissed CC without hesitation. Haha cracks me up everytime. The Nanny casts are a riot 😭
That's hilarious. I only started watching this show (reruns) about 6 months ago. I caught it on late night tv. A buddy of mine loved this show years ago.
Wow, I totally forgot that...
What episode was that?
Bugs bunny moment 😁
And the mistle toe
Im hella late to this but i grew up gay in Flushing, nearby to her irl family, actually. Seeing her on tv being so casually accepting went a loooong way to helping my parents(i was a teen in the 90’s)even begin to accept me. Fran’s a personal hero, and i came to watch this bc of her amazing union work.
my first boyfriend and his mother *who resembles fran" were massive fans. i didnt like the show that much ,but it definitely made me feel accepted as the boyfriend of their son.
That's beautiful!
Amazing ! Glad
The writer's strike has been going on for almost six months. Support them
“You’re over thirty, you’ve never been married...”
“Oh honey I’m not gay I’m just pathetic.”
...
Could not relate to this moment more haha
*sighs in ace*
In my case I'm both
"Oh me? I'm gay AND pathetic."
@@falconeshield Being ace doesn't have anything to do with marriage? My ace besties wedding is coming up this summer!
@@Nonyah123 Sure, but I think the percent of aces who get married are in the single percentile. I think its a little more Grace than Ace
“A gorgeous professional asks me out and it’s a woman… you’re not Jewish, are ya’?”
PRIORITIES ARE STRAIGHT
Like mother, like daughter 🤣🤣🤣
I LOVED that! Told my parents that I could have married an attourney, or a veterenarian, but they would have objected to a wedding with two brides.
Are the priorities _really_ straight, though? 😏🏳️🌈
You know Sylvia would KILL her 😁
I didn't get the Jewish part can someone explain it to me
I met her once while working at a Lowe’s in South Florida. She was shopping with her mom and came up to the Customer Service desk. She wasn’t wearing any makeup so I wasn’t sure at first, but once I heard her voice I was like “hey, has anyone every told you that you sound and look just like Fran from the Nanny?” She gave me the biggest smile and confirmed it was her. I started fangirling so bad cuz I couldn’t believe she was right there in front of me. I use to love watching her show and her fashion style greatly influenced mine. Both her and her mom were so incredibly sweet and down to earth. I feel honored to have met her.
She influenced my fashion style as well, and fortunately there were stores here in L.A. where I could find similar clothes for men.
The Nanny wasn’t just funny, it was real and positive. You couldn’t help be smile and love her. She radiates positivity.
Dresher's husband divorced her because he came out as Gay and he produced the show with her, so it's not surprising The Nanny handled Gay themes so well.
Wow, so that show she did, happily divorced, was based in real life
@@CarysLibri Very loosely (like only the basic premise of the show) was it based on their life.
@@1Cheytown 😄 TY
actually that came, later. but you know, what their story was? what her hasband said, what may have triggered him? that horrible experience, they had? I think, all that came out as well. she was always relaxed about this, even, when it wasn't something she knew from her close family. I think, that made it easier. I love, how they stayed in touch and still are close different than before.
Peter didn’t come out until the final season of The Nanny was in production
Fran's family would have been happy with her marrying a lesbian, as long as she was willing to convert lol. I love Fran. She was the first working class character I ever saw who weaponized fashion. Because when you're not well respected, you can modulate the behavior of others through your wardrobe. It's like magic. I didn't know that show influenced me in so many positive ways until years later, but it's true.
Sylvia: 'Do you know what people will think if you came to the wedding with Val?'
Fran: 'What? That I'm gay?'
Sylvia: 'That... I don't mind, but you couldn't have DONE BETTER THAN VAL??!!!'
Hilarious xD
This was also the Ellen: "I'm gay" era. How did the 2000's then become the "that's ghey" era? What a weird couple decades its been...
@@GlennDavey there was a weird push and pull. It seems like the 70s was trying to be progressive then it kinda went backward, then it started to get better in the late 80s and early 90s... then the 90s had a sort of “funny homophobia” like on Friends with notable exceptions... it’s weird. There might be a video already out there about this.
I wish my mom was like this. She doesn't want me to wear a suit to a wedding because she's afraid people will think I'm gay or trans. Why can't she be worried that they'll think red isn't my color??
In Friends, the gay joke came off as hostile and disapproving. In the Nanny, Fran manages to take a then controversial trait and normalize it.
How you take off and land the joke makes all the difference
Ross was always very disapproving of feminine traits on men, like when he tried to stop Ben from playing with Barbies. It most likely stems from his trauma of being bullied for acting like a girl as a kid. Monica mentioned this at some point, and it gets mentioned a few times in the series in different ways. Because of this, he probably demeans it every time he sees such traits.
Chandler just has self-esteem issues, so the moment people see him for something he isn't he questions why people would come to that conclusion. He's fine with gay people, he sometimes even wishes he was gay or has very homoerotic moments (especially with Joey) throughout the series. It's just not who he is though, he doesn't like being thought of something he isn't no matter what it is.
@@arcyarcanine Ross is a POS
I don’t agree, Ross throughout that entire episode was framed as the bad guy for being so disapproving, and he grows by the end to accept him.
Friends is weirdly incosistent, where main characters are weirdly homophobic(Ross with male Nanny and Ben playing with barbies, Chandler and Joey's dynamic where hugging is awkward, the way Chandler talks about his dad), but side characters are actually portrayed okay(Susan and Carol presended as normal people, Phoebe's green-card-husband where they feature the simmilar "you're straight? do your parents know?" scene).
Friends is trash.
The segment showing all Fran had done for the queer community made me cry, she's such a beautiful person.
Same! Got me really emotional
Tiramisu is an Italian dessert made of lady fingers or sponge cake soaked in coffee liqueur, layered with mascarpone cheese, and dusted with espresso powder. It's delicious.
It's that considered a gay stereotype? I mean, at least in my country everyone knows what a tiramisu is, it's just a dessert.
-i used to think tiramisu was japanese~
@@nicolasmorist4427 i think its more like the stereotype that gay people are very well depthed in being cultured in foods, fashion, etc so they would have to know something as 'fancy' as tiramisu
This description of a tiramisu almost gave me a heart attack 😄
Trash the sponge cake, coffee liqueur and espresso powder. Ladyfingers dipped in amaretto-spiked espresso, layered with creamy mascarpone, dusted with cocoa powder. That's where the Italian dessert heaven lies 🤤
@@Envy_May And me that is was french..
just met a nice man this week. he's a doctor. and single. and jewish. wish me luck!
Yishar koach!
good luck!!!!!!!
@@unitedstatesofadam to be honest, i think this is Nanny joke, because she always tried to find jewish single doctors
Sound like the ideal men that Frans mother wanted for her XD
I don't know if this is a joke or for real, but either way GOOD LUCK, SWEETIE!
This is like a masterclass in how to write comedy about a marginalized group without punching down.
The reason Ross gets hostile is because he's a toxic character, and yes you're right she does respond alot better than most of those in the 90's.
Purely for educational reasons.... hostile*
@@TheBlupickles thank you will change A.S.A.P.
tbh all of the friends characters are hostile and problematic in their own way, but yeah, Ross definitely was the worst of them.
A buddy from high school told me that Ross was the ONLY character on Friends that he could relate to. Does that say something? For me, it really did.
@@jaklumen I'm so sorry sweetie
I liked the gay stereotypes that Fran had with kurt because its stereotypes that many people have, and she tore them down by making kurt straight after all, it was a "don't judge a book by its cover" type situation.
That really was a great one. Just because guys have apparently "feminine" interests it doesn't make them gay
just goes to show that men can have "feminine" intrests . now peopel might think hes trans .. 🤨🙄
The best way to tear down a stereotype is to apply it's logic to people it doesn't match, especially in sitcoms. It's just a matter of how it's handled, as we've seen both examples of the right and wrong way to go about it in these clips
Ye
The episode with Sydney made me realize that as a woman is okay to like other women. Which was huge for a 10 year old that was feeling ashamed of liking women too. It was a moment of clarity for me
There are a lot of jokes about niles being gay but it’s never present as something bad and niles doesn’t resent it and sometimes plays along and accepts it.
I personally believe Niles is Bi...
@@alessia9328 Honestly, he is, but I really did like the whole Niles and CC, ending up together thing. It works so well to me because they never truly seemed like full enemies, and it just became a game to them with their zingers most of the time.
Can you believe he's from Southern Arkansas
Fran was so accepting of LGBT that in the episode with the funeral for her ex she wasn't even surprised when she thought he had a male lover.
seeing the absolute joy she irradiates while conducting that gay wedding brought me to tears. what a wonderful person
honestly, and can you imagine _fran fucking drescher_ officiating your wedding? iconic beyond words
The "You're gay? Oh thank GOD!" Has been one of my favorite lines ever for over a decade jajajajajaja.
I love the next bit where Sydney starts making a move and Fran goes “um I’m letting go and you’re not... why?” “Aren’t you gay too?” “No!” “I just assumed. You’re over thirty, you’ve never been married.” “Oh honey I’m not gay I’m just pathetic.”
Looool.
I'm so glad the nanny is having it's well deserved revival. Fran Drescher is an ICON
Wait... WHAT?!
I must google for more information.
This is the first I heard
I think there's a musical happening
As a kid I remember loving nanny but never knowing why
In retrospect it’s a show that doesn’t isolate . Instead treats each character. Their background and experiences with kindness inclusion and humour
Fran is truly a revolutionary and deserves far more celebration for the role she has played in aiding queen culture into the mainstream
Well, except for C.C.
I was rewatching this show recently on HBO Max and I was fully thinking about how the entire time Fran and the show as a whole never once punches down on gay people. Honestly at times it felt like a celebration. Fran was truly an ally.
Is, an ally.
@@Kekkersboy was *and* is an ally! 😜
Honestly, I am shocked at how many people out there are ok with living a certain kind of lifestyle, how can you possibly sleep at night knowing you've never tried tiramisu?
this one won the comment section LMFAOO
You had me in the first half
I’ve never tried it but in my defense I am very poor.
@@andysmith5806 its quite cheap to make
... everyone lives behind a fasad anymore ... everything has become suspect ...
I wish this video had been longer. Fran Drescher is a true master of comedy. The Nanny was a phenomenal show that embraced pretty much everybody. I love it!
“I love Dolly!”
Me, a gay: Cool. Don’t know what that is.
“I don’t know what tiramisu is.”
Me, a gay who is obsessed with cooking: *Pathetic.*
I, a bi nb, know what tiramisu is. It's a chocolate ice cream.
@@Stevonniewolf3113 _internally screaming_
How tf do people not know what tiramisu is? It’s like only one of the world’s most famous desserts?!
@@Seanonyoutube There's a lot of desserts out there; I'm lucky the diner I went to growing up always had it, since it's way up there on my list of favorite desserts. For anyone who doesn't know, it's espresso and possibly coffee liqueur soaked ladyfingers/savoiardi biscuits layered with a mascarpone filling. It's fluffy, sweet, coffee-ish, and amazing.
My straight ex knows what Tiramisu is, I made it for him (he still prefers steak).
Fran had a family member who loved to dress in drag as Cher and it was just cool he even made an appearance. I found the musical gay joke funnier because it was an assumption that she made that was wrong and proved that straight men also liked musical theater outside of making money off it.
I once had a boyfriend who was obsessed with Jane Austen. It's very clearly is not a great test to check if people are gay or not either.
Fran is a very sweet person. My, now ex fiancee, redid all the electric wiring in her home back in the Nanny days. I completely understand her relationship with Peter. My first husband, came out as trans after we separated, she is still family. My current husband, myself and our kids all lived together with my ex for years while she was beginning the transition. We were a family unit because we still catted for each other we just shouldn't have been married. I think it's a similar situation for Fran, she loves Peter, they just didn't make a good marriage together.
I've been binge-watching the show now that it's finally available on streaming. In one of the episodes, Fran talks about taking Val as her +1 to an event and Sylvia gets upset. Fran asks if it's because people will think they're gay; Sylvia says "No, it's because you can do much better than Val". I really appreciate the way the show treats gay characters/jokes/stories, especially for the 90's
Where is it streaming?
@@nolaray1062 HBO max
@@soandso3676 ugh Of course the ONE service I don’t have lol
LoL I remember that. She just wanted her marry a doctor didn’t matter if it was a woman doctor or male doctor. 😂😂😂😂
My fav is the one where Fran said Syl would be pissed because she turned down a successful single person, the PR lady Sydney.
One of my favorite moments of The Nanny is where Fran and her friend Val are hanging a sign for Fran’s love of Mr Sheffield. Val falls off and leaves Fran hanging there. Val yells up that there are a lot of attractive fit men down there. Fran yell down “get phone numbers.” Val yells back “there are no women.” Fran yells back “get recipes.” It was just a very funny moment and wasn’t offensive. They made a gay joke and nobody’s feeling we’re hurt. Fran definitely was a supporter and didn’t want to make the community the butt of the joke.
Gonna show people this anytime someone complains about "forced diversity" or "woke culture"
Being gay and having gay characters has always been normal
Never understood people that think having people of different races and sexual orientations is deemed forced. Like this is based on a reality. The world is pretty much like this!
The problem is that a lot of diverse characters are only there for being diverse and not characters who happen to be divers. I want good characters and then I don't care if they are gay, straight, polyamorous, aro...
@@blauespony1013 Feel the Same, shows put lgbtq+ people into shows, mostly as the "Good" friend of the Main charakter or just adds them in for one Episode were they get mentioned or have a few scenes and are only seen in the Background sometimes. It is sad to think that having the main Charakter not be straight seems to be a big problem for many, or atleast the Producers. But then i will also say, i hate series or movies when they turn straight charakters into gay or lgbtq+ or another race just to be more "diverse" then the Original. It bothers me since, sure i want to see more diversity, but not just as a addon to make more people watch the show/movie.
@@blauespony1013 That is a problem, however even the most well written gay characters get shit simply for being gay.
@@missylarsson3517 True, sadly there are a lot of people out there who have not figured out that being gay is not "unnatural" (it happens in animals, too) or "against God's law" (I don't think God's laws apply to animals and as I mentioned: I have seen gay or bi relationships in the animal world.)
Then again most (popular) characters get shit for something.
As a gay growing up in the 90’s this show was everything! My little lesbian heart had the biggest crush on CC.
Even though she's not, CC has strong lesbian energy.
@@gabbym333 right?!? I credit her, in part, to my proclivity for women in power suits.
When Niles and CC got together in the end I was sure they were eachother's beards.
They hated eachother... because they were in love with eachother... because they were both deeply closeted.
I always imagined they lived happily ever after, having a lovely omnisexual life together on opposite sides of the spectrum, meeting surprisingly in the middle. 😊
@@themaggattack came here to say this. deffo both gay lol
While Fran Drescher was (and still is) a beautiful woman....there were times Lauren Lane was drop dead gorgeous. I always preferred her over Fran
Re-watching this after seeing Fran's speech about the SAG actors strike in support of the writers strike. I love the work you do and find so much joy in the content you create.❤
I have no idea how I ended up here. I'm a straight white guy approaching mid fifty and my regular youtube consumption is mostly gaming videos. But I'm glad I did, I've burned through about a dozen videos so far and I've been very entertained by your analysis of all these films and television shows.
i think its so cool that youre watching these vids, it means youre probably much more informed and able to be a good ally!! i hope youre having a good week :))
oh, honey, you can't trick youtube algorithm :D
Same strait woman in 50's. this guy is cleaver and intelligent and is great to stumble on pov you would not have yourself... breaking chains of Plato's cave🙂⛓⚖🏖
Cool! Whatcha playin these days? Super nintendo was the best
...are you me? Other than the 50 part it sound exactly like me.
The main difference between the scene from Friends and the scene in The Nanny is simple; Shandler reacts with "concern" while Fran reacts with utter indifference.
Chandler in the end gets offended that his coworker thinks that a gay coworker is out of his league, saying that he can totally get with him if he wanted to.
Yea but this is specified in other episodes. Chandler has a lot of insecurities towards his sexuality because his dad came out as gay - causing his family to fall apart.
Late to the party but I also love how Fran's reaction to Sydney's coming out was a big hug - no discomfort at all with "will she think I'm interested?" nonsense. (chef's kiss)
One thing I want to add is that multiple times Yetta, Fran’s grandmother, not only shows support for the queer community but also seems interested in a woman
This is something I remember as well! ❤️
she's bi
Look as a femme lesbian (with curly brown hair to boot), Fran is 100% one of my major style inspos. The color construction and ‘gaudy’ conception is so valuable for me and creating my tastes
Same. IDK why but as a femme lesbian with a ginormous curly fro’ I felt so at home with The Nanny. Her wardrobe, joie de vivre and issues dating reminded me of how I feel as a more flamboyant lesbian in the dating field...like a fish out of water in the sea of muted colors, chelsea boots, pants and plaid. I feel like the more I view the show, the more I see Fran not so much as a non-wealthy proudly Jewish woman that wasn’t keen on just being the goals for a “white person” back then. And showed how fun and delightful it is to be to just “be”. Fran is as someone that’s proud of all of her idiosyncrasies and embraces herself as opposed to fighting herself. That’s always been the message of the show. To just be and have fun with life and enjoy life as opposed to trying to be as plain and typical as possible. I think she’s a stand-in for everyone that refuses to be a stereotype or typical. The show will always be comfort food for me.
If you're interested in the fashion of The Nanny, watch this deep dive:
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Same, sis.
i’m a femme lesbian too and literally same omfg
as a jewish lesbian my ideal aesthetic is “the youngest aunt at a bar mitzvah in the 80s” i feel this so hard
I'm from the Netherlands and as far as I remember, Dutch tv shows never shied away from LGBTQ+ subjects. The Nanny was one of the English language shows that helped me learn English as I was growing up. It never occurred to me how groundbreaking their takes on certain subjects were at the time, cause this always seemed very normal to me. Go Fran Drescher!
Almost a shame you didn’t mention how Fran’s fabulous wardrobe came from her cousin Todd. Todd Oldham.
👀
Wow I didn’t know that!
If you're interested in the fashion of The Nanny, watch this deep dive:
ruclips.net/video/tgtTMD1obDs/видео.html
Season 3 episode 15 - Fashion Show.
The shows costume designer Brenda Cooper put together Fran’s signature looks from a variety of sources (Bob Mackie, Moschino, Todd Oldham) “For the most part, there’s never a piece of clothing that came out of a store and went on set. It always got shifted or changed, or embellished. With Todd’s outfits, you never had to elevate or embellish stuff,” Cooper says.
Say what anyone will... but I loved that Roseanne (before she became a right wing mouthpiece) had the guts to assault him in the 9th season episode he guest starred in. She was right. Fashion is fun but even gays have historically been pretty sexist within the industry.
On the older generations being more accepting of gay people in the Nanny, there is a great moment in an episode were Fran wants to attend to a family gathering with Val, and Silvia is mad at this, Fran asks if is because she's afraid their family will think that she (Frank) is gay, and Silvia says that she wouldn't mind if Fran was gay, she just wants her to do better than Val 😂
There apparently were a lot of loving and caring older Jewish people from that time. I think its how they were raised.
That is both wholesome and hilarious
@@professorrosenstock5026 there is actually a really interesting and unique French movie on this were this *very* specific theme is a subtheme to the main theme of hiding from and falling victim to nazi persecutions at the time, from jewish and gay perspective!
@@maocharlisme Do you remember the name of the movie?
@@akeylawallace4420 wish I could recall myself aswell! ...Imma try and google it now
It’s weird that this came up in my feed, but I’m glad it did. Maybe it’s the Actor’s Strike and the heroic work Fran is doing as the President of SAG.
"If you liked me when you thought I was gay, your gonna love me straight" so smooth lol
I met Fran once when she came to my town for a comedy festival. She was as sweet and funny in real life as on TV. And she made a joke about how she rose to being Judy Garland level gay icon status after the divorce with her gay husband, lmao
What a gem. She's standing up for the writers rn.
Loved this! The Nanny is one of my favorite shows!
I loved Renée Taylor and Ann Morgan Guilbert more (remember her as Millie on the Duck van Dyke show?).
OMG love seeing my two fave queer creators supporting each other!
@@dharshanization YES I want a Michael Henry and Matt Baume collab!
I just came from one of your videos Michael. Good to see you. Love your comedy.
And your channel is one of my favorite channels!! :)
Sylvia: “What’s this I hear about you’re going to the wedding with Val? You know what the family is going to think?”
Fran: “What, Ma? That I’m gay?”
Sylvia: “That, I don’t mind. But you couldn’t do better than Val?”
I forgot about that one ...
🤣🤣🤣🤣 right
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Iconic
Better than val 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Even now, at the Writer's Strike, Fran's still taking the right side of history by giving big speeches that actively support SAG's fight for better working conditions. It feels kind-of wild that she's not as talked about anymore, this is all great stuff. She feels like she really gets what it means to be progressive and she's 100% willing to let her actions speak for her as well.
"We've been together for 16 years, still no children. But we're trying"
Boi how good of a line is this
@@christianali5431 Not the point. It's the innuendo. 😉
I loved it! There´s a very similar line said by Sean Penn as Harvey Milk in `Milk´ :)
10:16 Fran made her slash ship canon and that is very cash money of her ❤️
ICONIC
yay the fonze!
Of course someone as gorgeous as Fran is supportive of LGBT people.
Hearing her talk about her favorite part of the movie being how it wasn't centered on gay angst is genuinely touching - for a straight person to understand that idea, it gives me hope.
She's an amazing woman, and I'll never stop trying and failing to imitate her ❤
Fran Drescher is a true gay icon, ally and hero. I've always loved her for that. And The Christmas Set-up IS amazing because it's an angst-free romance, schmaltzy and wonderful. Thanks Fran! 💓💕💓💕💓
You've seen it? Any idea where I might find it? 😁
My favorite gay joke in the series is Sylvia thinking that Fran and Val were in a relationship together.
"[Being gay] I don't mind, but you couldn't do better than Val?!"
Hahaha YES!
Omg that's hilarious! Which episode was that?
@@jermainechan8477 I believe it's in the episode Kissing Cousins from season 4.
Oh My God, and when Maxwell's producer Sidney said she was a lesbian, Fran asked her, "You're not Jewish are you?" Abd she said no, Fran said, "O damn, we would've made my mother happy."
I always thought I liked The Nanny a little bit too much. Now I understand why it's not "too much" at all. I had never realized this about The Nanny, and it's so great! I had realized that in Friends it was treated as a nuisance at best, and more often than not as something wrong. And it bothered me. But with The Nanny I guess I had never realized how well these characters are treated maybe because it's so casual. I love this. Thank you for pointing it out! 😊
Yeah, treating people as people is kinda invisible, on account of it being normal.
I met her at Schiphol airport in 2002 while I was buying duty free chocolate. The minute I heard her voice I knew who she was. I turned to the guy standing next to me and said "That sounds like Fran D." It was her husband. They were there for Queens Day the day we were leaving. I was embarrassed, but he insisted I chat with her. I was just a very young gay fan and blushed from head to toe. We talked about how she was looking forward to celebrating in Amsterdam and the fact I was hungover for the flight home. I held it together long enough to get her to autograph my last 5 Guilder banknote. I treasure it to this day.
That's a sweet story
There were 5 guilder banknotes?
It's a very sweet story though!
I would love to meet her too.
I’m convinced that if CC hadn’t been obsessed with Max, Fran would’ve tried it. Gorgeous professionals are her type after all
Not to mention CC was GORGEOUS. Try as Niles might have, we could see that she was a goddess.
@@mikkithemeche Right?! When I first started watching the show I was like 'Niles your jokes are funny but have you seen this SHIKSA GODDESS! Stop playin'
Tiramisu is an Italian dessert. Kinda chocolatish with coffee, super spongy and creamy and really good. Great vid btw! My mom used to watch this show when I was a kid all the time and I really do think it helped me growing up to accept the lgbtq community as a part of every day life rather than a novelty despite my very Catholic upbringing. Never even realized it, so cheers and thanks!
The Nanny was my semi-guilty pleasure back when it aired. I was strangely attracted to C.C. and her power suits way before figuring out I wasn't straight. And I absolutely loved Fran's outfits.
@Jack Robbins Oh she totally does. She has that cut throat aura with that outfit :)
I always thought C.C had that old Hollywood Joan Crawford/Betty Davis thing going for her. Yes, that was my girl!
if i wrote fanfic as a kid, i would’ve written about fran and c.c. 😂😂
@@itsavonell Yes! CC was suppose to be competing against Fran for Maxfield, but it would have been HOT 🔥 🔥 if they had gone for eachother!!
Tiramisu is a coffee-flavoured Italian dessert. It is made of ladyfingers (savoiardi) dipped in coffee, layered with a whipped mixture of eggs, sugar, and mascarpone cheese, flavoured with cocoa. The recipe has been adapted into many varieties of cakes and other desserts. - from Wikipedia
and don't forget the rum
Sounds like trifle, but without the minibar of booze.
@@sogghartha traditional tiramisu doesn't have rum. They use other alcohol (an italian friend of mine used marsala). I know people change it up with different types of alcohol, but rum isn't essential (also I'm not a rum fan so I'd lean a different direction personally as well).
you forgot the meaning of the word, 'pick me up'. In Belgium, the version with speculaas (Biscoff) is at least as popular, if not more. It's not as airy, but oh, so good. I've had it with the ladyfingers dipped in ameretto as well. Or at least a caffè corretto.
Only eaten the Pan East Asian version of tiramisu, which often confuse with castella.
Thanks, I just finished watching all Nany episodes from start to finish and loved the Nanny so much. You hit on something I didn't overtly twig to when watching the show but explains so logically some of the Je ne sais quoi about her attractiveness and beauty.
She's an absolute icon
And the fact that the show (and her style) holds up almost thirty years later prove it
Facts!
Ugh literal tears in my eyes. The Nanny was the only sitcom I'd watch as a kid, then I thought it was because they were Jewish and the yelling reminded me of my family, then in my teens I thought it was because I had a big fat crush on Fran (which I did), and maybe it was both of those things as well, but you really put an articulate and 'fine' point on it here: In Frans world people like me, who felt like me, didn't stand out, weren't ridiculed or made to be a conflict, we just existed the same as anybody else with our own problems and relationships. A fantastic video, great job 💕💕
Honestly rewatching as an adult now, I love how properly casual they are about gayness. It's perfect.
The Nanny is a fashionable unapologetic woman who marries a man who is an important figure in Broadway. She has no option but to be loved and accepting of the gays.
Niles and Fran have the best friend chemistry on screen idc what anyone says.
The most deeply offensive part of Friends’ Male Nanny episode is FPJ’s response to Ross’s suspicion. He holds up his hands defensively and reassured them ‘I’m not gay’ and the whole exchange is delivered in a ‘you don’t need to worry’ tone. Makes my stomach flip.
Hold on. Lenny and Squiggy are in the Nanny. Laverne and Shirley was a spin-off of Happy Days. Mork and Mindy is also a spin-off of Happy Days. Aliens exist in the Nanny universe.
Fran Drescher also believes she was abducted by aliens. Her current husband and her bonded over this suppose shared experience
@@alexandraboucher1791 That's a creepy rabbit hole unto itself, but if Fran can joke and smile about it, that works for me.
@@alexandraboucher1791 Wow. That's a plot twist! Never heard that
I like the way you think! 👽
The Nanny also had crossover with Murphy Brown, connecting all the Happy Days shows with the shared-universe of The Dick Van Dyke Show, I Dream of Jeanne, The Bob Newhart Show, Cheers, Newhart, St. Elsewhere, Murphy Brown, Coach, Seinfeld, Wings, Home Improvement, Mad About You, Frasier, The Nanny, Ellen, Friends, Caroline in the City, and The Drew Carey Show. So aliens and genies exist in all of these.
There are a ton of episodes where Fran and Val are mistaken for a couple. Like if that doesn't happen with your best friend are you even friends?
@@MommyOfZoeAndLiam my parents were never open about qweer people, but I had the same feelings for the scene of Rose and other similar situations. Now I understand that I must have always thought everybody can love whom they want. Let’s me feel a bit proud to have my own thinking 😁
The Scrubs lines "Turk, we're not married!" "Dude, we're a little married." "I know, and I love it!" have always been my friendship goal.
The Nanny could be, easily, my favorite 90's show. I love this sooo much. It such a relief that my dad showed me this show one day.
there's a great episode in season five where a Chinese exchange student that Fran and val "adopted" through school donations finally comes to new york to visit. the episode frames them as two moms vying for their single daughter's attention in a way that did not feel like it was making a mockery of gay parents. as a lesbian I loved it and found the bickering very relatable and funny. the episode ends with fran distraught that val wants to "divorce" before patching things up
That's so cute 🥰
The Nanny is a legend here in México. I grew up watching her, fell in love of course. But now I realized how progressive she was. I love her even more now.
Did I cry watching what Fran has done for the community?? 1000%
Congratulations to Fran Drescher circa 2021. Just announced that she will be the first spokesperson for Laura Geller cosmetics as they focus their brand towards women over 40. Fran is fabulous and beautiful. 👍❤️🥰
she's such a queen I love her
Nice.
I was obsessed with the Nanny as a kid, and I'm just finding more and more reasons why that is so great.
I want to see it get talked about more!
I think the Golden Girls was incredibly progressive for its time as well. In this case, I think if it had been any other character…there wouldn’t have been a big reaction. Blanche, Dorothy, and Sylvia are very open about the gays and accepting them and Rose learned through them. Rose grew up in a very small town where it doesn’t seem there was much variety. In that episode, however, the lady is Dorothy’s friend who came to visit them and developed a crush on Rose. I think they leaned into her small town heritage and her expressive/dumb/silly personality and face to sell the joke. This episode was used as a learning tool and wasn’t a call for outrage against gay people.
"a friend of dorothy's "
I'm actually a Golden Girls fanatic and have to somewhat disagree with you. Blanche is actually surprisingly uncomfortable with her brother being gay. You could argue that the Blanche character should think that being gay is no big deal, but that isn't how the writers wrote the script when her brother Clayton came to visit. The episode where Dorothy's friend falls in love with Rose doesn't so much reveal Rose to be uncomfortable with gay people but rather just uncomfortable because she didn't realize that anything other than feelings of friendship were developing. The episode basically ends with her saying that she's flattered to be thought of in that way but doesn't reciprocate those feelings. I think the clip from that episode shown in this video was taken out of context and gives the wrong impression, just as the clip from Maude that was shown here.
The Nanny was a regular fixture in my house. Both my parents and I loved the show. It was just so clever and funny and intelligent.
It really was and it still holds up after all these years!!
the tiramisu line is especially funny if you lived in nyc in the 90s because you couldn't step into any restaurant, cafe, or diner without seeing tiramisu on the menu for a while
Especially since most consider it a kind of cake that is (yes, I got this off Wikipedia 'cause I didn't want to get this wrong) "made of ladyfingers (savoiardi) dipped in coffee, layered with a whipped mixture of eggs, sugar, and mascarpone cheese, flavoured with cocoa."
Apparently it was a popular cake the decade I was born. *thinks*
Speaking as a European ;-) Tiramisu is a very classic Italian desert you are likely to find in any true Italian restaurant. It's neither a trend nor something new; it might just not have caught on as well as pizza in the US of A ;-)
As a queer person who watched the Nanny when I very young, I wouldn't be surprised if the show rewired my brain without me even remembering because even before I realized I was gay I had a very similar attitude towards homosexuality that Fran did
Another cool thing about the Christmas Set Up was that the two main guys are married in real life.
Awwww!
Oh really? 👀 I did not know that...
I guess that explains the chemistry between them. 😁
LOVED this movie....
Christmas movies in May? Why not! I'm going to go download that one ASAP.
@@byMidnyt lmao same. let's goooo Christmas in may
I remember, as a girl growing up in the 1990's in France, The Nanny was the first time I even heard the word "gay" in that sense. It really resonated with me, even though I'm asexual, not gay.
My first exposure to Fran Drescher was UHF and I loved her immediately. And when our tv only got 6 channels, one of them was TV Land and I watched endless hours of The Nanny. I’m not sure how much of an effect it had on making me comfortable with myself as a queer person, but it was important to me nonetheless. Seeing her officiate that wedding got me tearing up. What a wonderful woman
This reminds me of Mrs Doubtfire, when Uncle Frank and Aunt Jack were funny, caring, supportive characters to our protagonist, and we as kids never knew they were a married gay couple because if Robin Williams loved them and never made a big deal about it, then we loved them and never made a big deal about it.
Yet Mrs Doubtfire was also rampant with transphobic jokes. (as much as I loved this movie, and STILL love Robin Williams)
@@valeriecherish449 Don't disagree with you on that, but to the creators' credit they do censor the transphobic stuff in recent releases. And our crossdressing hero ends the movie being a Mr. Rogers-like children's television figure.
@@Vesperitis I didn't know they censored it, now. I love the ending of the movie! Honestly, it is one of my all time fav movies, it's just tough to swallow one or two jokes now that I'm on the receiving end. I love it, though, still. Total classic.
@@valeriecherish449 Yeah and after a long day at work... I don't need to see that!
@@GlennDavey Jane? In editing... just...too risky, you know?
I remember watching The Nanny at 9pm as a teenager (and this was in the late 00’s) 💯 gave me comfort in realizing my sexuality. It was nice to have a show not mock but instead acknowledge gays. Nowadays there’s a lot of shows (finally) that do what the Nanny has done. The Nanny paved the way for shows to acknowledge gays and be okay with it. Took a very long time but I’m glad it’s finally here ♥️
They also make a like positive joke about trans people in a later episode, Fran's mum makes a joke about collecting two social securities, its funny and kinda affirming, and genuinely crucially for the 90s they don't then misgender the person.
I remember watching the show as a kid, but I was always afraid to revisit it as an adult because some tv series simply don't age well and I didn't want my childhood memories ruined. I'm glad I found your video and evidence that the show was queer friendly. Thank you for this!!
IT has, sincerely, aged better than even sitcoms from the early 2000's. I love sitcoms, and The Nanny is a lot less problematic than Friends, How I met your mother, The Big Bang Theory, Two and a Half men and the list goes on. It's amazing how well the show has aged.
It has aged SO well!
The only thing that really hasn't, is the underlining fatphobia that was present EVERYWHERE in the 90's and still is in a lot of places. It's why I can't binge the show anymore, BUT i do still watch a few episodes every once in a while and I DO stil ADORE the show as a whole!