Field Of Dashed Dreams: How Sacramento Tried To Lure The Raiders And Athletics To Town
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- Long before the Sacramento River Cats were a hit, developers swung for the fences where jackrabbits now roam on an expansive lot north of Sleep Train Arena.
I'm not a Sacramento native--I've only lived here for just under four years as of the the time of this post--but I've seen the image of what appeared to be a small pond with the outline of a sports arena just to the north of Sleep Train Arena on Google Maps and wondered "what the hell was that supposed to have been?" And now I have my answer. And now I can die happy.
My friend and I went there today and it's just a huge pond full of wildlife where center field was supposed to be. The spaces that were meant to be the dugouts and kitchens are now filled with algae-covered rainwater that has been sitting there, mostly undisturbed, for decades. It was amazing.
This was an excellent piece. I'm back home in Southern California now, but in the mid-1980s I was a student at Sac State. I remember all that going on. In a way, is rather sad looking at it today in 2017: the Raiders are on the move again to Las Vegas, and the Athletics want out of the Oakland Coliseum. The commentator is correct, if that state you had been built, Sacramento would have had a very different and higher profile major-league sports history. I was living in the Sacramento area when the NBA Kings came from Kansas City, and definitely remember watching that first game from what was then Arco Arena (The temporary one) on Channel 13. Taking absolutely nothing away from Sacramento,, but I think it would have been difficult to sustain three major-league sports teams in that area. San Francisco was on the verge of losing the major league baseball Giants back in the 1990s, while at the same time Los Angeles did lose both NFL teams. Recently, of course, San Diego lost the Chargers back to Los Angeles. From what I read and heard here in Southern California, even the Sacramento Kings were at one point being discussed as a possible team to move. I certainly hope that does not happen. As much as in my heart I would love to see Sacramento have the major-league baseball and football teams as well, I just don't think it will ever be possible. If the Athletics don't stay in Oakland, I at least hope they will stay in Northern California, like in San Jose at Levi's Stadium. As for the fans bussed in from Sacramento to the Oakland Athletics game in 1987, that definitely showed there was an interest among some people. However, it would have been a 53,000+ seat stadium in Sacramento that needed to be filled for 84 home games a season, Plus preseason and possible postseason. Unless it was a domed stadium, or at least a retractable roof I don't think it would have been viable. The clip said that about 20,000 fans made the journey that day from Sacramento to Oakland. If that was the fan base, about 20,000, that would not have been enough to sustain the team. Sure, the stadium club we will have sold out quite a few games in the first few seasons. But, if the A's did not start producing championship teams, that stadium will try and get self with about 20,000 people in the stands on a good day, and that certainly would not have been you have. Watching that clip brought back a lot of memories of the mid 1980s and the optimism of major-league sports fans in Sacramento. I really think with The Sacramento Kings for basketball and the Sacramento RiverCats for baseball, you now have a very viable and sustainable professional sports culture.
Steve W You want to aee sad go look tey to look at old candlestick park. 49ers got moved out of SF. I've always been a Packers fan but had a soft spot for the 49ers because that's my dad's team so I feel they deserved better.
Spicy Chicken Marsala Cucumber Salad w/ Pico Bobbit Lmao 😂
I don't think Sacramento is a feasible market for an NFL and MLB team. Even when the Sacramento Kings were winning in the Maloof era (1999-2005), it wasn't an adequate sports market. A's had leverage when Sacramento River Cats was their farm team at the time to convert Raley's field to a park that meets MLB standards if those choose to relocate but Sacramento never was a sports market to make a profit
From economic stand point , sports venue don’t generate much to the city. Jobs they provide is mostly part time/seasonal
Basically the only positive aspect a sport franchise provide to a city is something to talk about at work on Monday morning.
How sweet it is to be a NFL franchise owner! You don't need to purchase a place of business, just demand the taxpayers pay for it.
steve b not just football smh
@steve b nah we aren't
@steve b lol calm down bro. I hardly ever go to games, so I never pay for tickets. Every once in awhile I'll buy a jersey or something. But why do you call it idiotic, if I have the money for it?
@steve b hahahaa you must be broke as f. I'm sorry bro.
Wtf did I just read? Since when the manufacture price have something to do with the final product price?
Now the Raiders are going to Las Vegas?? Raiders don't know what the hell they are doing
Time Machine: 3 years later it was the best move the Raiders could have ever made!
Yeah because nothing says success like 75 % visiting fans!!!! Clown!!!!@@echobase1648
Multi purpose baseball and football stadiums are obsolete now. It was a train wreck waiting to happen.
In the late 80's, retro-ballparks wasn't the craze back then. Only several stadiums back then had luxury boxes and there were several concept renderings if it was going to be football or baseball only stadium
It was a "Sleep Train" wreck waiting to happen.
It can work with NBA and NHL arenas but not with football and baseball
Funny how the two teams Sacramento was trying to lure with this stadium were the last to share one
Damn.Seems like the City of Oakland can't seem to do anything to keep their teams.I never knew that Sac town was serious about the Raiders and A's.
would have been huge had it happened, though by now there would be talks of creating a new stadium since that one had it been realized would be almost 40 years by now. lol
though since Sleep Train is no more, they could have simply build a new stadium in its place.
How about the Sacramento Chargers? i doubt they like it in LA much anyway
Is Sacramento being themselves Stadium?
Forget it, Dean Spanos has already committed to moving the Chargers to the Inglewood stadium and sharing it with the Rams. Doubtful he'd want to leave Southern California.
sjdrifter72 of course he'd be crazy to leave SoCal. For Sacramento, that's a PIPEDREAM people for they are headed to Inglewood
Also Fuck You Spano
Chargers still have their fanbase in Southern California
Seems kind of pre mature to build before they got the team
San Antonio finished an entire stadium and never got it filled
Jonny Watts lol I live in San Antonio and your right we never got a football team. Spurs played their till 2003 and now Utsa football plays there.
not really, it happens all the time, it's hard to lure a team without even a stadium, don't worry they'll find something to do with it.
David P we need a nfl team already ! 210tx
Jack Salonsky I doubt it
We think Al Davis played Sacramento. He was never going to move the Raiders there, especially knowing LA was interested.
I was at UC Davis and a sports intern at KCRA Sacramento 1987-88 and remember this time well. In many ways it's a good thing the baseball stadium was never finished as it would have been outdated as it would have resembled the White Sox stadium, the last of the non retro stadiums that was built.
Grant was right, Al Davis was the master negotiator and never gave Sacramento serious thought. Sacramento will never get an NFL or MLB team because there isn't enough corporate money in the city which is needed to sustain a professional sports team. That wasn't the case in the 1980's but now with premium seats and luxury suites, Sacramento is fortunate that they were able to hold onto the Kings.
The local TV reporter called the Raiders, the black and silver,ha,ha hahahaha.No soup for you!
Good link
awww that's really too bad ! The Sacramento Raiders has a nice ring to it !! ;^)
that stadium would've been out of date by 2000.
Kings we’re on top in 2002 so no
It's just as well they stopped. Multi-purpose stadiums have fallen out of favor, and even had a stadium been built for either a MLB or NFL team, they'd be threatening to move by now if a bigger more luxurious one wasn't be given to them by now.
Damn, 21000 fans in "one group" and bussed to the Crapiseum. The things you learn on RUclips...and now Sleep Train Arena is history.
I've spent some time living in the Sacramento area...and one thing I did notice, while they were all loyal to their team, Raiders, 49ers, A's, Giants, etc...they ALL wanted their own major sports team. Not just the Kings. Not saying I'd have stayed local if that happened....but it sure would have been an incentive....if I didn't have to travel 150 miles to see my teams play.
At that time the coliseum was a thing of beauty. During the late 80s and early 90s the coliseum had one of the highest attendance rates. Lack of remodeling and adding Mt Davis ran it to the ground.
I had no idea that the City of Sacramento was serious back in the late 1980s of luring the Oakland Raiders to the city and possibly the A's too. In some ways, knowing what we know now about the A's struggle with their aging ballpark, there probably would not have been a discussion in recent years to move the A's to Las Vegas.
The thing that I find most shocking about this story is that there is actually an arena called sleep train arena. Wow just wow!!
Yeah but it's no big deal
Ya Nigga it’s a mattress store
Sacramento crashed and burned so many times because too many small minded mayor's/city council employees that always had these grandiose visions of being compared to San Francisco,Paris,or even Oklahoma City,while making it impossible with too many restrictions on height,length,color..... then add in the same old group of litigious local residents bitching about traffic,and developers got the hell out of here as fast as possible...... look how long it took to get a new NBA arena!
Sacramento State would use it on College football Saturday
My dad worked at the arena and I have been in the tunnel. It was built for the food of the stadium to be cooked at the arena and taken through the tunnel to the stadium. But when they called the project off the used it for something else... the first event that was held at the arena besides basketball was the circus and they used the tunnel to hold the clowns. You can even see on the top of the tunnel I the clown noses
Sacramento Gold Miners if the CFL ! Lol.....Does anyone remember them?
Really cool video. I always wondered what that was when looking at maps.
Sleep Train Arena!?!?! Am I the only one who is sick and tired of the ridiculous, and even outrageous "naming rights" going on in sports today? I'll admit, starting here in my own home town, Phoenix, it has reached the ridiculous level. The original new arena for the Phoenix Suns was re-branded as "America West Arena" shortly after opening. But when AW merged with American, all bets were off, so they sold the name to a local Indian casino and resort, and it became "Talking Stick Arena". The resort and casino aren't even located in Phoenix, they're in neighboring Scottsdale. I can remember the first time I heard an ad for a concert at "Talking Stick Arena"...I thought the resort had their own showplace, and when I went to buy tickets, it turned out, it was for the Sun's arena. And then, of course, there is the saga of the building of the state of the art stadium for the Arizona Cardinals.
They couldn't stand to continue to play at the Arizona State University Sun Devil Stadium, for various, (mostly specious) reasons. So a bond was floated to build this new stadium. But was it called "Arizona Cardinals' Stadium"? NO. The highest bidder for the naming rights was a local, online college called "University of Phoenix". They have a few brick and mortar buildings around town, but no real "campus". They have NO sports program. BUT...the Cardinals couldn't share a beautiful stadium with our actual Arizona State University, but they sold the rights to name the stadium to a NOT so real university...for $$$.
Its all about the $$$.
And sorry for this long remark, but Its time to say something..
Unfortunately, one of the worst perpetrators of this had been one of my favorite sports, NASCAR. Instead of having the races named for the tracks they are at, such as "The Darlington 500", or at the VERY least, televising it as "The Darlington 500, brought to you by....."
NO.. They are re-naming the races after the sponsors..."Ford EcoBoost 400 (Homestead), First Data 500 (Martinsville), Hollywood Casino 400 (Kansas), Apache Warrior 400 (Dover); there have been many others, but the ones that really pushed me over the edge" were the "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles' 400" (2017 Chicago), the "Go Bowling 400" (2017 Kansas), and the creme del la Creme, the "Helluva Good Dip 500"....I can't remember which track, but it was recent. REALLY?!?!? The Helluva Good Dip 500?!?
IT's insanity. It's all about money.....and if these folks don't see this soon, the money is going to dry up...because people are getting tired of this nonsense.
maxflyman 54
Names of our 20 year old nba/nhl stadium in Philly:
CoreStates Center
First Union Center
Wachovia Center
Wells Fargo Center (current)
Don't forget the equally ridiculous sounding Gila River Arena for the Arizona Coyotes. What ever happened to classic stadium/arena names? All in the name of greed.
Dude, I'm amazed you were able to keep track of all those NASCAR race names. Impressive!
Tax payer money is used so they lose no money.
They actually gain money from being paid on something that is never used by the tax payer.
I was against it, but now I'm all for it. I love the absurd names of the stadiums nowadays. Ah yes, the FU Center. One of my favorites!
Who's back here after the A's decided to come to Sacramento for a few years
Interesting... Didn't work back then... Not going to work now. Sacramento is getting used. I wonder how many people know this history...
Where is this model of what would have been stadium?
So basically, their plan was to take Oakland’s sports teams. Good thing it didn’t happen though, as this whole concept was already heading out of style. The model where a stadium/arena was located in the middle of nowhere surrounded by a sea of parking lots would soon be outdated. Within 10 years, professional sports teams wanted centralized venues located in dense (often Downtown) sections of cities, with restaurants, bars, and other ancillary development within steps of the venue. If you need proof that this wouldn’t have worked look at the current state of Arco Arena now. It’s barely past its 30th Birthday and the Kings have already moved out, into a new arena that has exactly the setup I mentioned in the sentence before last. Arco Park would’ve suffered the same fate. They tried to build an ‘Oakland Coliseum North’, but two decades too late.
That shit sucks downtown, arcos a way better location
Talk about poaching not one but two teams from the same city is pretty low
Barry Lee Say Barry, what you think about Cat Brooks comments on Z62?
Raiders were in LA at the time
If Sacramento ever gets a mlb team, I hope they build that stadium
i think the would just revamp sutter park. when it was designed, they originally designed it to be a double decker stadium. so the infrastructure is there.
Raiders should move to Sacramento because it's really close to oakland
They're already building a stadium in Vegas, that ship has sailed. But they should move the A's to Sacramento since its clear that they're not going to build them a new stadium in Oakland which they currently play in the worst stadium in baseball.
Vegas is going to change the way we watch football. You been watching the opening games to the Stanley Cup? It's like a Broadway show.
Football will be a dead sport within 10 years. Our society will not tolerate the dangers of it. The more we learn about head injuries in conjunction with the continued pussification of the rules will make the sport unbearable
PLVSMXD no it ain’t the fuck?
Mark football will be a dead sport...how many brain cells u got
At 3:00 that SACRAMENTO RAIDERS banner is sweet! Love town that :)
I like Sacramento Ca I used to truck drive there everyday and it was a nice city remind me of San Antonio Texas
Sactown now says "We don't want the A's, we're Giants fans here."
Nice try Sacramento, but the Raiders are going to Vegas and the A’s are going to downtown Oakland.
I am surprised they have not edited Grant out to appease Demarcus Cousins and Matt Barnes.
Seems pretty sad to me as all I ever hear is some other city trying to get one of Oakland's major league teams to move elsewhere. Oakland seem to have passionate fans but soon no team to support.
Raiders should’ve never left Oakland ever.
Never say never
By 2019 Las Vegas Raiders will be.
Wow, reminds me of when San Jose didnt get the Oakland Athletics in 2013
Would have been awesome!
Sacto A's!!! Nice idea while it lasted!!!
So, a group of developers paid to build a stadium before any professional teams had committed - in writing - to move there? How stupid was that? Nobody wanted the dreadful Kansas City Kings, and they were desperate for a new home, which is how Sacramento acquired them. However, football and baseball, especially back in the late 1980s, was different. The owners weren't going to move into such a small, barely regional market, now matter what stadium was build to entice them.
Sir if the stadium would of been built would you have other plans!
Now the A’s will be in West Sacramento
Video loses all credibility when the narrator said: "The Black & Silver!"
He is high!
Raiders4Life!
Sergio Galindo good ear , I missed that but a very valid point!
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Lol does it really matter? Raiders suck!
It's like that it's always sunny episode
With so much open land in natomas, I wished they built golden 1 there instead of downtown.
They build a stadium without a team,and San Diego wont build a stadium and loses team.
I live in Sacramento, and wouldn't want to live anywhere else. Sacramento and I go back to the 60s. But city leaders have always had a "wannabe" thing going on. Sacramento is--and always will be--a Triple-A town which has always wanted a chair at the grownups table.
blackhawkswincup2010 I mean I get what you're saying, but it IS the capital of the largest state in the country. Can't blame them for wanting some respect.
That's the nature of wannabeism. If you don't respect yourself first, you're not gonna get it from anybody else. You don't see this kinda stuff from the folks in Albany or Austin. Bigger isn't always better.
iHatebologna59 California is the 3rd largest state. Alaska, Texas, California, we are just the most populated.
You said it all.
your point being?
We should keep the land open for our wildlife. We need trees to in order to breathe clean Air. Plus keep the Sleep Train Arena. Don't take Sleep Train Arena Down.
i wanna toke up in that tunnel
Why is James woods a sportscaster?
The next time someone wants to burn $16,000,000 I hope they will do it into my pocket.
We don’t need a sports stadium we need the money going for hi ways and bridges to be rebuilt. Let these sport franchises build their own stadiums.
D Day
Damn right! Indianapolis taxpayers got hosed for 85% of the cost of Lucas Oil Stadium, while drunken billionaire Jimmy Irsay contributed damn near nothing compared to his fortune.
We have yet to fully pay off the RCA Dome while crime is rampant, our parks system is a joke and our streets are barely drivable. Screw these billionaire owners raping cities over and over and.....
You're the 6th largest economy in the world what is California doing with all the money it takes in via taxes? Oh, right the same thing the other 49 states do misuse it.
Better then LV :(
someday sacramento someday
And people In LA still can’t move past this team. Al Davis never cared about you, just whoever could build him a new stadium with luxury boxes.
i wish they move there instead of Vegas years later
With ARCO 2.0 being demolished, the remnants of ARCO Park will be demolished as well
Build it dammit! Arco was the UGLIEST arena ever built. EVER. The "architect" that designed it was actually quoted in the Bee, "people don't come to look at the building". Blech!
Let me tell you something about Sacramento. Over the last 35 years, they have virtually eliminated out of existence Single Room Rentals, this is where the other people and the poor used to live. Single Room Rentals was the old Hotels and the thousands of rooms above businesses all over town, the Hotels have long ago been torn or burnt down but you can still drive around and see the vacant rooms above businesses all over town and after you do that take a ride down by the river and see where the other people and the poor now live. Liberals say all the right words and there really good at masking their actions but once unmasked they do speak for themselves.
Sums up Sac perfectly, so close, so much culture, no support.
Must be nice to have money to waste.
Waste of Taxpayers $$$
Money laundering 101
and the sport aint been the same or as popular since?
Those who placed season ticket deposits never got their money back
How many millions of dollars did the taxpayers lose on this pipedream???
Albert E. Upwards of $16,000,000
Looks like zero, I think this portion of it was all privately funded (the money ran out, so that is why I am thinking private funds). I would assume had they secured a team to call it home then they would have asked for tax payer money to finish it. Quick google search says this, "the facility was never finished because the Sacramento Sports Association ran out of money during construction in 1989 and a team was never secured".
KrAv3 that's true, this wasn't on the taxpayers
Zero. It wasn’t taxpayer money idiot.
Why did the Sacremento Goldminers leave?
Or would that gonna be the home of the Raiders, Chargers or some baseball team
They should be thankful as the Raiders will eventually abandon Vegas for Vancouver.
Look at stupid Oakland government having both Raiders and A's and with one home game left in the 2019 season the Raiders will be heading to Las Vegas. They are working hard on losing the A's as well.
SAD!!
2025-2028 the As are coming to Sac but sadly not this place. not even fisher is putting them there, "SAVE ARCO PARK"
They need a Sacrament
Too bad... that woulda been hellla dope!
Raiders blew it. They had a good offer and a good sight and could've stayed in Northern California. Oakland didn't have shit to offer.
rkgsd fuck you Oakland don't need to offer shit, we supported this team for over 50 year's where's our support, why we have to pay for a new stadium? Mark Davis is the owner of the raiders, not oakland.
East Oakland Fuck you. You don't know how it usually works. Most NFL, NBA, MLB teams contribute something to help pay for new stadiums. The city and city taxpayers usually don't pay for everything. AL Davis could've been more agreeable to the city's plan to help pay for half a stadium.
@@rkgsd Oakland has more better shit to worry about then to keep the raiders in their ran down stadium
Sacramento FC in MLS coming soon
Welcome to bumpkinville. But things will be all better when major league soccer comes. Sacramento is a 4th rate city. Run by corrupt people at all levels.
THAT IS SOME SAD SHIT ...... I WOULD NEVER GO TO LINCOLN FINANCIAL FIELD TO BRING SAY THE NY GIANTS THERE ..
No football stadium just a venue with Poachers all over hacked eggs
Should finish it might get a team
Kind of infuriating that they build that arena downtown when they had the foundation of a stadium already built.
Two totally different projetcs
I live across the street from here lol
1987
Secret tunnel🎶
Sacramento's face is heinous.
Wow
Actually, I believe both teams should have moved to Portland, Oregon.
They should have built ther own theam then
Ancient history. California is increasingly bad for business these days.
What a waste
Try again for the A's
Probably not
@@peterfernandez9670 this didn't age well.
Lol pre season full season Tickets always fails hilarious they got that money took there bonus and let it die
All of that taxpayer money SMFH
Vegas baby!
What a waste of money.
sacramento has never had a professional sports team and they never will. yet the rubes keep forking over dinero to watch the queens play. lel
Remember it was the Giants looking to move.
Field of dreams for homeless
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