this argument is really genuine, he's so angry at his circumstances that he takes it out on someone who actually cares for him, that's about as real as it gets in relationships with people who self-sabotage
He is not angry at her. He is angry at not being enough for her. Everything Jimmy goes through and gets shut down throws his hands up and says "what have i gotta do"? Nothing works on Chuck and now Kim is all he has. Kristy Esposito was him finally realizing nothing will ever be enough and accepting despair.
@@hibarikyoya854 lol Doesn't explain the extra 3 seasons of Jimmy being down after Chuck is dead already. You're beyond stupid to blame Chuck for this. You probably do this in real life too, blame everybody else for your failures.
Yeah like Christi in season 4, she too tried to turn her life around but everyone sees her as the “shoplifter.” People will always just see the labels and not the person.
@@masterzombie161 I hate self righteous people who look at what others have done and try to define them by what they’ve done while they themselves harbor so much malice in their hearts.
Bob is such an incredible actor. It doesn’t look like he’s even acting, but instead in that very setting, experiencing the on screen emotion his character feels. That takes some skill!
Yeah this scene and the one scene in Bagman where Mike finds the car chasing them down and tells Jimmy to hide anything that catches the light. The eyes, the expression, when he sees the car. That was so real.
Bob really is. He's done SOOOOO much different shit. Like you look at what he did on the Tim and Eric show and juxtapose that with this, it's just amazing to see the range he does. Same with John C. Reily. He played Steve Brule like he was actually Steve Brule on the Time and Eric show, and he was so good that Tim Heidecker and Eric Wareheim got him a spinoff called Check It Out! he's absolutely hilarious as that role. But then you see him in something like A perfect Storm, he had a perfect performance, same with Gangs of New York, perfect. Bob Odenkirk and John C. Reily are two of the best actors to every grace us.
Yeah that’s why during his appeal hearing he decided f it, my real sincere side isn’t enough so time to be Slippin Jimmy and tell them what they want to hear.
Yeah this is the point where Jimmy saw that the more he played people, the more sincere he looked, and when he was sincere, the less people thought he was lying
Dunno how to phrase this exactly but i think the point of Jimmy's character is that even though he always uses tricks to get what he wants, deep inside he hates it, he hates that the only way to achieve something is to act like slipping jimmy because every time he acts with honesty, it just doesn't work.
It’s easy to forget that Jimmy still has never told anyone Chuck’s last words to him. To Jimmy (and the audience), his brother isn’t worth talking about because Chuck said he “never mattered all that much to him”. But no one else knows that, even Kim. When Jimmy says “I don’t think about Chuck” she looks at him like he’s being insincere because he is. He’s always thinking about Chuck and his disapproval. It motivates everything he does, but the only way Jimmy knows how to deal with his emotions to burying them under showmanship.
It is much more complex than that, what Chuck told him was to hurt him (he is clearly affected when Jimmy leaves the house), they were two brothers who loved each other but also hurt each other. Chuck had a relapse when Jimmy did the billboard thing, which proves how much his actions affected him, Jimmy dodged his responsibility for Chuck's death for years and even told himself that Howard was responsible.
It’s funny cause he was sincere about his reason to being a lawyer, unfortunately they didn’t care they just wanted to hear about Chuck. In the end no matter what Jimmy does, he will always be the shadow of Chuck.
@@byronsenior6499 Sure, but what the hell does that have to do with anything? Why does a lawyer have to be sincere or empathetic? The truth is that the comittee wanted Jimmy to praise Chuck to high heavens because of his legendary status, and when he didn´t do that, they got offended.
Just a common pattern in Jimmy's life (at least in his life since he started in the mail room), no matter how he tried to better himself Chuck was always keeping him down.
And yet many people in the comments argue that Jimmy was actually being sincere at the bar hearing. How did they all miss the part when they asked him at the hearing if there was any particular influence on his views regarding his opinion about the law and he just mentions the school he went to. Its so clear that if it wasnt because of Chuck, he would have probably never even consider to become a lawyer and be his peer at HHM.
@@juanjosesanchez7828 A lot of people just see things from the protag point of view, and seem to be blind when they are unreliable and untruthful. I think in this case Jimmy in his mind, truly believes he was sincere, and lots of viewers bought that. But of course he was not sincere, Uof Samoa was his inspiration? Like what a load of bull. Similar to Walter in BB where he kept saying he was doing it for his family.
jimmy: *antagonizes kim for supporting him and tries to bait her into coming down to his level* kim: *finally loses her patience* jimmy: “there ya go, kick a man while he’s down”
I love this scene. Thanks to the depth of this show, you expect Jimmy to have a point when he talks about the office and how he thinks Kim sees him as lesser, but he just doesn't. He's lashing out because he sees her as part of the "lawyer establishment" that he hates so much, so she must think of him as they do. But if she did think that way she wouldn't have got this far with him. It's good to see a character lash out because of their fears and show how fallible they are.
and it takes until the end of the next season to realize she actually is fully on board ... it's one of the most interesting character arcs I've seen on screen. From the very first scene of them sharing a cigarette up until she marries him to keep his secrets, it is a roller coaster that I can't even put in words.
I’m realizing now that a lot of Jimmy’s bitterness about the office probably stems from Chuck’s rejection of him working at HHM. Before Jimmy knew the truth, he desperately wanted to work side-by-side with Chuck and maybe even be a fellow partner alongside him someday. And at this point, he desperately wants to work with Kim and because of Jimmy’s unresolved trauma, he sees her refusal to do so as a rejection of him in the same way Chuck rejected him.
Saul's car really fits his personality. Unstable and ready to break down at any given moment. I love the signature wobbly engine sound it makes when idling
It’s as if, for a moment, he saw in her every single person who has ever doubted him. Ironically, she’s been the one person who’s always rooting for him.
"You don't believe me" when jimmy tried justifying the billboard to chuck "You think I'm the kind of lawyer guilty people hire " Ms kettleman "You look at me and you see slippin jimmy" chuck: I know who you were, who you ARE, people dont change! You're slippin jimmy! "Oh what a mistake it was to bring me to your office in the SKY, you'll never do that again!" Jimmy's projection on Howard
It's like two top tier actors are having a showdown while complementing each other so well that it's just one intense composition of emotions. I have never seen a scene so packed that you feel like watching an actual fight.
I'm here to make you doubt. How about the one where mike is explaining to his daughter-in-law what happened to Matty? The one where he says "I broke my boy"? Might be even better...
To be honest, to this day I still don't know if Jimmy really feels bad about Chuck's death. I think he's such a good liar that he has completely buried the truth about his feelings even to himself.
Honestly I think it really affected him, he just never shows it, even to himself. He pushes his feelings away so he doesn’t have to deal with the grief and guilt. Same thing is probably going to happen with Howard and will be the final nail in the coffin for Jimmy McGill being himself.
I don't think he really feels bad for his brother, his whole life was sabotaged, despite how much he cared for his brother, chuck really did not care about jimmy Chuck's words and actions made his brother stop loving him.
@@Eustakista Right? Especially Chuck's last words to Jimmy--whether they were made in anger or not--were about as cruel as they could possibly be. If anything, Jimmy's taking Chuck's advice to heart: why have regrets? About anything? If the world is going to do everything in its power to kick Jimmy down then why should he ever have to feel sorry for getting a few punches in of his own? But there's self-deception in that too. You can't turn all your feelings off, you just gotta bury them as deep as you possibly can.
Even if he does feel bad for Chuck's death what does that matter for his hearing? He really loves being a lawyer and meant everything he said but was called insincere for not mentioning his dead brother so they wanted him to wrap for his Goliath of a lawyer brother and when he didn't he was called insincere for something that doesn't have anything to do with being a lawyer
I feel like this scene is also a huge turning point for KIM. Other commenters are mentioning that Jimmy WAS sincere, and those from the board didn't know that. Kim actually genuinely and sincerely recognizes this, but is STRUGGLING because this Jimmy is completely different from the Jimmy that loved his brother so much. It's why Jimmy reading Chuck's letter was too much for her because she could recognize how broken their relationship was after he died. Here, she's still trying to get used to Jimmy's new worldview. It's why she struggles to immediately agree that Jimmy was sincere, because she is still thinking from the straight-lawyer mindset accustomed with the nagging old version of Jimmy who loved his brother that she looked up to. If you look at the moments when Jimmy re-asserts to her that he was sincere, this isn't just her pitifully being a yes-person to him. She's personally reminding herself that Chuck's memory is a dead and bitter link to him that no one in the world can help mend. For Kim to get used to this new Jimmy and his finally-complete transformation to Saul Goodman in Season 5 and 6, Kim needed to finally perceive Jimmy in a new way. This season, and especially this scene couple with the season finale's ending, was where it is set up.
Thing is they are both right and both wrong which is what makes this lovers' tiff such a good exchange! Jimmy feels insecure about the relationship and Kim's lack of accessibility cons aside (not helped that he's a very unsure of himself guy anyway) and Kim feels like she's babysitting a manchild half the time!
@@Rob-gp6yb Now that we see Jimmy's ending confession. It's hard to say they were both right and wrong. It turns out Kim was just completely right. And Jimmy is just completely lying to himself here. Jimmy was still hung up on Chuck, and his answers were insincere which Kim can see. But Jimmy refuses to see it and lashes out and blames her for not being on his side. And accuses her of looking down on him, which was just him projecting his insecurities and wasn't true. Kim always believed in Jimmy and always supported him.
@@SumitKumarrr1 yeah I don’t get where the “action-focused” part comes from in BB when people talk about both shows. Sure, BB had way more exciting and high-stakes moments throughout, but they were made so powerful because of all the build-up they made beforehand. People act like BB didn’t have slower, more dialogue-based episodes in the early seasons. Still love both shows though.
@@vingasoline5068 bcs is slower paced than brba for sure but brba is fast paced because walt, unlike jimmy, is firing on all cylinders and REALLY wants to die on his hill while jimmy is only figuring his hill out, it makes sense for the pacing to be faster. i love both shows, they are different but i def disagree with the idea that brba is less character driven
As good as Rhea Seehorn's acting is, sometimes I'm even further impressed by Bob cause he fills his character so seamless. It's like Bryan Cranston's acting. There is not a second you might think this person could be artificial cause it's so natural.
I really like that Jimmy is both lashing out at how he's essentially screwed when trying to do things by the book. and also trying to emotionally sabotage himself by pushing away Kim because he KNOWS she's all he's got and he feels like he doesn't even deserve her. all that stuff abotu the office and slippin' jimmy. those things were probably in the back of his mind but it didn't really matter to him because of all the things Kim actually did for him and with him. he jsut brought all that up because he wanted to burn the bridge.
3:32 i cant believe this acting from Rhea Seehorn its so real the frustration of trying to genuinly talk to someone who's so caught up in their misery they basically just wanna show how bitter they are more than anything
I remember watching a Character Analysis on Saul/Jimmy and it said that one of his biggest flaws is he’s got low self esteem, even despite the scams and his success, and you can see it in this scene. Brilliant acting
@@TaxingIsThieving he thinks that no one appreciates him or acknowledges him for his true character. He was being sincere with the hearing but all they wanted to hear about was Chuck. So Jimmy decided to use his Slippin’ Jimmy tactics and talked about Chuck when he didn’t really mean it at the time to get his job back. He’s insecure about Kim because he feels like she only likes him because she likes to have fun scamming people with him. It’s quite sad.
@@sygmeister But he wasn't actually sincere. He just thought he was sincere because he truly didn't want to think about Chuck. But in his final confession, he finally confronts that of course he cared the whole time and it was eating away at him. Kim and even the board could tell he wasn't being truthful with himself about Chuck, even if he may not have realized it himself. Of course, he was more sincere than his Saul persona. But was Uof Samoa his inspiration? No, that's not a sincere answer. Did Chuck really not matter to him, no that's not a sincere answer either, even if Jimmy wanted to believe that was true and sincere.
Every time I hear the word "insincere" this scene always pops into my mind. The acting here is brilliant - Kim seems genuinely emotional here and Jimmy's eccentric raging is insanely entertaining. "Oh, what a mistake it was to take me up to your office... IN THE SKYYY! You'll never do that again!"
"You get a little bored with your life, so you come down and roll around in the dirt and have some fun with Slippin' Jimmy." Oh my god, he was 100% right.
The sad part is that everyone was right about each other in this show. Jimmy was right about Kim, Kim was right about Jimmy, Chuck was right about Jimmy
I love how you can tell Kim is mentally preparing to take on the full emotional blow of Jimmy's breakdown. The way she puts out that cigarette just as she hears Jimmy's shitbox suzuki esteem screeching its way unto the rooftop it's like she's saying, "alright, here we go"
It's like when Chuck said "you never mattered all that much to me" to Jimmy then we immediately see how untrue it actually was. Both brothers deeply cared about each other but they could never say it
The insecurity from Jimmies past and Chuck sowed in him sit SO deep! It's such a reflexive defense mechanism of his he can't even control it propperly. No wonder he invendet Saul Goodman as a shield! "If I cannot make them happy I might as well be what they believe me to be. At least then I won't have to try anymore!" 😔
they are phenomenal actors, the delivery, the acting, even the micro micro expressions. They just GETS it. I hope Rhea and Bob win the emmys and many more awards cuz they deserved it a lot. like a LOT.
This is so real. I think Kim really thought less of him, but will never admit it to herself because she loved him. And Jimmy isn't arguing her as Kim, he is talking to everyone who ever hurt him with the words he repeats. Hurt for both sides is inevitable.
I think the look Kim gives him isn't thinking less of him, but Kim realizing that Jimmy is lying to himself. Jimmy desperately wants to believe that Chuck didn't matter to him, because he isn't ready to deal with the pain and hurt of all that. So Jimmy claims he doesn't care about Chuck and believes it's his sincere feelings. But of course, it isn't true which is confirmed in the finale, and Kim knows that isn't true too, hence the look.
@@smtandearthboundsuck8400 No. Although it's true that Kim enjoys committing crimes with Jimmy, the extent to which she sacrifices her time and her interests for him goes far beyond the thrill of it, and he cannot see her love for him for what it is. All the things he says here are projections of his self-pity and unprocessed grief over his brother's death.
@@dsch0 I mean you cant accuse Jimmy of being 100 percent wrong or bad. He did help out kim a couple of times in the show. You can feel in season 6 that he cares more about kim getting the trust fund than them scamming howard, its quite subtle but its there
@dsch0 So.......he's right? Jimmy nailed that part of Kim. Kim wants the action and the thrill of Jimmy's schemes. Yes she loves him but she throws that out of the window after the Howard incident. She loves the thrill more than she loves Jimmy.
Amazing scene!! I think I sided more torwards Kim, but then you realize that Jimmy is telling the truth about not missing Chuck and it's frustraring that no one believes him.
it's a messy situation. he isn't lying to the committee but one could argue he was lying to himself, since throughout the season we do see him constantly suppress his feelings about chuck
you interpeted this all wrong. He's LYING about not missing Chuck. He loves Chuck, but he's repressing his emotions like he always does and he just keeps lying to himself and others. He's not sincere, and that's the point. everybody but he can see that he's more vulnerable than he gives off. it's better to bottle the emotions up and dismiss them, than outright admit he cares for a brother who denounced him in return. this is a moment of explosive vulnerability, not of frustration.
It's such a breath of fresh air to see a show where two people in a relationship stay in a relationship no matter how many scenes like this play out. I'm not saying it's a healthy one, I'm just saying I've been waiting for the mandatory 'break-up' or 'pause in relationship' scene since the first season, and it hasn't happened yet.
After watching this scene, I thought that Kim was out of Jimmy’s league as a romantic partner. After watching the finale of season 5, I realized that Kim is also out of Jimmy’s league as a con artist.
Season 5’s ending left me feeling so flabbergasted by Kim’s character development. I also found it neat that the two finales parallel one another perfectly. By the end of season 4, Kim is dumbfounded by Jimmy’s transition into Saul Goodman. By the end of season 5, Jimmy/Saul is dumbfounded by Kim’s immoral behavior.
TBH, she could do much better. And I really don't see that much chemistry between the two. She is never that affectionate. She never opens up to him, let's her guard down. She always keeps her distance.
@@scottslotterbeck3796 I’d disagree with that, I think they have plenty of chemistry, especially compared to other TV couples such as Walt and Skyler, where nearly every scene between the two is just awkward as hell. Jimmy and Kim have had each other’s back’s throughout the whole series, whether they’re going up against Lalo, Chuck, or whoever it may be. And just because she doesn’t show a lot of affection or open up to Jimmy doesn’t mean they don’t have chemistry. BCS has never tried to be a super romantic show.
Their is a lot to go over from this conversation and argument alone. 1. Right off the bat, the way Jimmy handles guilt is through extreme amounts of denial and indifference. Jimmy will always love Chuck, but after all the hurtles Chuck placed unto Jimmy’s path, he can’t help but resent his brother for his extremely tuff and brutal judgment of him. Chuck’s the reason why they are having this conversation in the first place as Chuck decided to record and set Jimmy up. Death is a cut-off point for many people. Death doesn’t solve all the left-over problems the other person left. So Jimmy is still holding unto so much anger and doesn’t even want to mention him all that much because he feels like he’s still trapped behind Chuck’s shadow. 2. Obviously what’s happening is that Jimmy is projecting unto Kim. Everything he says, it’s what he thinks about himself. Clearly in the presence of Kim, he feels lesser and less worthy to be beside her. Kim, at this point in time, is everything Jimmy is not. She is a well respected and beloved lawyer with a Multi-million-dollar client, who has her own department and associates. She receives many awards, many praises, and a lot of respect. Jimmy at this point is just selling phones to criminals and running his operation like a criminal organization. This show is so incredible for how complex each character feels and if you look through the eyes of all of these characters, their reasons and actions all make sense to them and only them.
Jimmy WAS insincere, the finale just confirms that. He repressed his feelings all the way, that's what really made him Saul in the first place. Y'all really misunderstood this scene, him not saying anything about Chuck was a CHOICE, and he left it out because Chuck hurt his feelings, but in the hearing they asked for his inspiration, and we all know Chuck is what got him into being a lawyer in the first place.
Yup, I admit I interpreted this scene in the wrong way when I first watched it. Upon completing the entire show & now re-watching the clips, it's clear that Jimmy DID care about Chuck, but he shut his feelings down behind a closed door as that was his way of coping with the circumstances. So yeah, he was insincere at his re-instatement hearing.
@Tirthankar Sarkar It definitely was less "pushing feelings aside" and more "spiteful hatred." No matter how much Jimmy loved Chuck, Chuck still tried to ruin his brother's life and put him down every chance he could.
@@sirlimen333 Yeah, especially considering Chuck's last words to Jimmy were "You've never mattered all that much to me". Those lines stuck with Jimmy, and perhaps is the key reason for his indifference to Chuck's death. But that fact his, he DID care about Chuck which his why he attempted to reconcile with him before Chuck proceeded to destroy his feelings.
Well in a way he wasn’t insincere. He really believed what he was saying in the meeting - even if it wasn’t exactly the truth. But he convinced himself it was the truth, and he just didn’t want to talk about Chuck. So in a way, he couldn’t have been more sincere
I don’t think he was insincere at first, but this made him cynical and jaded towards his legacy as a McGill brother, and along the way he decided to toss it away after using it to his advantage.
You could feel how a lot of what he was saying were feelings relating to Chuck. Ironically shows how he does think about Chuck despite pushing it down and saying he doesn't.
This scene hits hard. It's the culmination after a lot of build up that was created slowly from season one. Their performances are obviously brilliant.
@@scottslotterbeck3796 chemistry is not the only thing that is important in a relationship. Willingness to be together and make the relationship work is another factor. Kim and Jimmy clearly wanted to be together
I still don't think he was right about that. Kim didn't stand by him because she just wanted some kicks and she didn't leave him because she thought she was better than him, she left because they caused an innocent man to get killed and she knew *she* was responsible. IK this was written before the finale but her visiting Jimmy in prison is proof to me that her having his back, her being there for him all through their relationship was out of genuine love and affection not just for the thrills
@@skatefan9495 But Jimmy is claiming the kicks is the reason why she was with him, which just isn't true at all. Just because she does enjoy the kicks does not mean that's why she stayed with him, especially at this point in the story.
It says a lot about how broken the justice system is in this universe that they were basically waiting to hear Jimmy talk about how great Chuck is and how important he is to him after the dude went on an unhinged rant on record about how awful Jimmy is and how he never deserved to be a lawyer and is a menace to society. They KNOW what Chuck said and did to his brother, and how damaging that would be, it's the only reason he wasn't disbarred. Despite that, they're still waiting for it and call him insincere when he doesn't mention him at all, something almost anyone would do after what he said. Like, that's relationship-ending stuff. You never move on from it. Even when Chuck was clearly in the wrong (even though we viewers know he was right about him in a way, at least modifying the documents) they still punished Jimmy and wanted him to parrot some bullshit about how great his brother is.
I know Jimmy is supposed to look pathetic in this scene (actually, he's pathetic in every scene he is in) but damn! He is the only guy on Earth that managed to make Suzuki Esteem look cool.
you could really see the number chuck did on jimmy he’s so insecure and begins to think kim doesn’t want to be a law partner with him because of the way chuck treated him. he really believes kim sees him the same way chuck did.
I cant express how good this scene is. The buildup, the filmography, the entire argument and how well it flows. I rewatched this scene at least 20 times because that’s how good it is. My favorite part of this entire argument is that Jimmy was being genuine how he felt yet the board didn’t see it as such. Additionally Kim is right about Jimmy always be down which is why it’s an effective way to end such a phenomenal scene. In terms of scenes this scene is definitely underrated and has to be one of my favorite scenes of Better Call Saul
How, in the living hell, have these two not won Emmys yet? The worst of Game of Thrones won best show, and these 2 actors get NOTHING for their performances... It's a stain on the academy
@@DJNITON he was, but towards the end he was good. Just good. And he's a supporting actor. Bob and Rhea are frontline actors in BCS. They wouldnt compete with Dinklage
It’s so ironic that when Jimmy was being sincere during the hearing he gets denied but, when he’s genuinely insincere, he gets his law license back. Great subtle commentary on the justice system, honestly.
Great acting. Incredible storyline. I'm on pins and needles to see what happens in the final season. What happens to Kim, Nacho, and Lalo - even Howard. When does Tuco get out of the slammer and how will he be involved this oncoming train wreck? So many unanswered questions and loose ends.
The last 2 episodes of season 4 are just so real. The viewer understands how Jimmy bottled up all of his emotions about Chuck and is letting them out improperly, like in this argument with Kim or in the next episode with Ms. Esposito.
Quite honestly, I do believe Kim had reservations about sharing an office with Jimmy because of his reputation. It is the whole point of the show, no one believes that jimmy can change and be a good lawyer, people don't want to associate with thim, give him a good scholarship, a good job that is not out of pity, so he constantly spirals out of control breaking more and more rules. Not even Kim, she encourages a lot of time to break rules even when he tries not to. Jimmy was so enthusiastic about the office because he believed he could change and start over, built something good with his partner, previously he wanted to do the same with chuck but got rejected, and now kim rejected him again and tha tis why he gets so upset about it. Jimmy thinks he can change but society doesn't, he always is going to be "that guy" and ultimately that partialy causes and accelerates his conversion into saul goodman.
3:03 I remember when Jimmy got arrested for destroying the tape, and Kim didn't scorn and lecture him one bit, and she stood by him this whole time. I was waiting for this line to drop.
@@scottslotterbeck3796 lol Irony of you saying "with good reason" in regards to Jimmy hating Chuck is that Chuck was always contemptuous of his brother 'with good reason' lol At the end of BCS we see that Jimmy is everything that Chuck said about him. Jimmy could never stop being 'slippin Jimmy'.
By season 6 they pretty much confirm that she does have fun rolling in the dirt with Slippin Jimmy. Crazy how accurate Jimmy's description would become.
Uh no, only Kim was telling the truth. Jimmy was projecting his insecurities onto Kim and assuming that she thought the worst of him like everyone else in his life did.
this argument is really genuine, he's so angry at his circumstances that he takes it out on someone who actually cares for him, that's about as real as it gets in relationships with people who self-sabotage
He is not angry at her. He is angry at not being enough for her. Everything Jimmy goes through and gets shut down throws his hands up and says "what have i gotta do"? Nothing works on Chuck and now Kim is all he has. Kristy Esposito was him finally realizing nothing will ever be enough and accepting despair.
@@Ray_D_Tutto *He is angry because he thinks he's not enough for her
I unfortunately can confirm this
she doesnt care about him, she feeds on his failure, thats the reason shes dating him.
@@dunkenrunten4593 This has to be the worst character analysis I've ever seen lol
“Jimmy, you are always down.”
That fucking HURT.
I sat there saying "oh, that hurt him.".
@sco ens I yelled “DAMN”
Maybe if his own brother didn't trip him up when he tried to get up everytime he wouldn't even dead he trips him
@@hibarikyoya854 lol Doesn't explain the extra 3 seasons of Jimmy being down after Chuck is dead already. You're beyond stupid to blame Chuck for this. You probably do this in real life too, blame everybody else for your failures.
tbh as someone who has a lot of the same character traits as jimmy, that line was a reality check
“Kinda lawyer guilty people hire”
That line from Ms. Kettlemen really stuck with Jimmy…
Most defendants ARE guilty. But great quote.
It did because Chuck was always telling Jimmy he’ll never change when he did change.
Yeah like Christi in season 4, she too tried to turn her life around but everyone sees her as the “shoplifter.” People will always just see the labels and not the person.
@@masterzombie161 I’m sorry but who was Christi again?
@@masterzombie161 I hate self righteous people who look at what others have done and try to define them by what they’ve done while they themselves harbor so much malice in their hearts.
Kim has the patience of a saint.
Inexplicably.
She loves him.
Only with jimmy
She understands how men go through grief.
Kim is dumb in this scene
Bob is such an incredible actor. It doesn’t look like he’s even acting, but instead in that very setting, experiencing the on screen emotion his character feels. That takes some skill!
Yeah this scene and the one scene in Bagman where Mike finds the car chasing them down and tells Jimmy to hide anything that catches the light. The eyes, the expression, when he sees the car. That was so real.
Yes, definitely deserves all his success
He was born for this role.
Bob really is. He's done SOOOOO much different shit. Like you look at what he did on the Tim and Eric show and juxtapose that with this, it's just amazing to see the range he does. Same with John C. Reily. He played Steve Brule like he was actually Steve Brule on the Time and Eric show, and he was so good that Tim Heidecker and Eric Wareheim got him a spinoff called Check It Out! he's absolutely hilarious as that role. But then you see him in something like A perfect Storm, he had a perfect performance, same with Gangs of New York, perfect. Bob Odenkirk and John C. Reily are two of the best actors to every grace us.
True. Eventho Saul is an incredibly unique character, he feels so real, thanks to Bob's insane talent.
Funny thing is Jimmy was actually being sincere at the bar hearing
Yeah that’s why during his appeal hearing he decided f it, my real sincere side isn’t enough so time to be Slippin Jimmy and tell them what they want to hear.
It's the same as when Tuco forced him to lie about being an FBI agent
Yeah this is the point where Jimmy saw that the more he played people, the more sincere he looked, and when he was sincere, the less people thought he was lying
Dunno how to phrase this exactly but i think the point of Jimmy's character is that even though he always uses tricks to get what he wants, deep inside he hates it, he hates that the only way to achieve something is to act like slipping jimmy because every time he acts with honesty, it just doesn't work.
@@Nikos150 Yes you explained my thinking perfectly.
It’s easy to forget that Jimmy still has never told anyone Chuck’s last words to him. To Jimmy (and the audience), his brother isn’t worth talking about because Chuck said he “never mattered all that much to him”. But no one else knows that, even Kim. When Jimmy says “I don’t think about Chuck” she looks at him like he’s being insincere because he is. He’s always thinking about Chuck and his disapproval. It motivates everything he does, but the only way Jimmy knows how to deal with his emotions to burying them under showmanship.
It is much more complex than that, what Chuck told him was to hurt him (he is clearly affected when Jimmy leaves the house), they were two brothers who loved each other but also hurt each other. Chuck had a relapse when Jimmy did the billboard thing, which proves how much his actions affected him, Jimmy dodged his responsibility for Chuck's death for years and even told himself that Howard was responsible.
Their relationship and its downward spiral toll on Jimmy is so tragic.
@@Luzbelito772 Both of them push into the point that they both can't help theirselves.
Can you be my therapist
@@road_king_dudethis is a concerning message
It’s funny cause he was sincere about his reason to being a lawyer, unfortunately they didn’t care they just wanted to hear about Chuck. In the end no matter what Jimmy does, he will always be the shadow of Chuck.
I would say that no matter what he does, he realizes that the world deserves slippin jimmy and being sincere won't get him anywhere.
I think that’s why he chooses to practice as Saul. He knows the name McGill will always be his brother’s.
I mean without knowing the history/circumstances it does seem insincere or cold to say you don't care your brother died.
@@byronsenior6499 Sure, but what the hell does that have to do with anything? Why does a lawyer have to be sincere or empathetic? The truth is that the comittee wanted Jimmy to praise Chuck to high heavens because of his legendary status, and when he didn´t do that, they got offended.
Just a common pattern in Jimmy's life (at least in his life since he started in the mail room), no matter how he tried to better himself Chuck was always keeping him down.
These two had the most realistic, gut punching arguments.
That voice crack when he says he doesn't miss Chuck. Sublime
And yet many people in the comments argue that Jimmy was actually being sincere at the bar hearing. How did they all miss the part when they asked him at the hearing if there was any particular influence on his views regarding his opinion about the law and he just mentions the school he went to. Its so clear that if it wasnt because of Chuck, he would have probably never even consider to become a lawyer and be his peer at HHM.
@@juanjosesanchez7828 It will be years before BCS fans understand Chuck’s character and the relationship between him and Jimmy.
@@juanjosesanchez7828 A lot of people just see things from the protag point of view, and seem to be blind when they are unreliable and untruthful. I think in this case Jimmy in his mind, truly believes he was sincere, and lots of viewers bought that. But of course he was not sincere, Uof Samoa was his inspiration? Like what a load of bull. Similar to Walter in BB where he kept saying he was doing it for his family.
jimmy: *antagonizes kim for supporting him and tries to bait her into coming down to his level*
kim: *finally loses her patience*
jimmy: “there ya go, kick a man while he’s down”
There's someone in my life like that and it's hell
@@quartzuniverse3763 ditch em
@@quartzuniverse3763 run
@@quartzuniverse3763 Sure.
🚬
"Kick a man while he's down."
"Jimmy, you are always down."
I felt that on a personal level.
Kim Wexler is the best woman in the Breaking Bad universe, maybe even in all of television right now.
A female character written well, a true rarity in today's media landscape
No. It's Skyler.
@@jacobodelriomolano4373 No way, Skylar was annoying
@@jacobodelriomolano4373 Not one of the people who hate Skyler, but IMO Kim is easily far more likeable and well written
@@NeverSaySandwich1 I was kidding because everyone hates her. But seriously though, she had a point for being as she was. I don't blame her at all.
“…You are always down.”
Man, that’s so unfortunately relatable. Lol
I love this scene. Thanks to the depth of this show, you expect Jimmy to have a point when he talks about the office and how he thinks Kim sees him as lesser, but he just doesn't. He's lashing out because he sees her as part of the "lawyer establishment" that he hates so much, so she must think of him as they do. But if she did think that way she wouldn't have got this far with him. It's good to see a character lash out because of their fears and show how fallible they are.
and it takes until the end of the next season to realize she actually is fully on board ... it's one of the most interesting character arcs I've seen on screen. From the very first scene of them sharing a cigarette up until she marries him to keep his secrets, it is a roller coaster that I can't even put in words.
I’m realizing now that a lot of Jimmy’s bitterness about the office probably stems from Chuck’s rejection of him working at HHM. Before Jimmy knew the truth, he desperately wanted to work side-by-side with Chuck and maybe even be a fellow partner alongside him someday. And at this point, he desperately wants to work with Kim and because of Jimmy’s unresolved trauma, he sees her refusal to do so as a rejection of him in the same way Chuck rejected him.
Saul's car really fits his personality. Unstable and ready to break down at any given moment. I love the signature wobbly engine sound it makes when idling
Also parked skewwhiff ... abandoned in the road chaotically. Not Jimmy, not our precious Jimmy!
And, of course, colorful. (Yellow).
That f-bomb hit hard and sounded so genuine💀💀
EXACTLY
it’s such a satisfying f bomb fr
0:30
0:35
It's because breaking bad characters rarely drop the f bomb and when they do, you know it's a serious moment.
@@jammy3662 0:37 you dolt.
It’s as if, for a moment, he saw in her every single person who has ever doubted him. Ironically, she’s been the one person who’s always rooting for him.
"You don't believe me" when jimmy tried justifying the billboard to chuck
"You think I'm the kind of lawyer guilty people hire " Ms kettleman
"You look at me and you see slippin jimmy" chuck: I know who you were, who you ARE, people dont change! You're slippin jimmy!
"Oh what a mistake it was to bring me to your office in the SKY, you'll never do that again!" Jimmy's projection on Howard
I'm 90% sure this is my favourite scene in a TV show tbh.
Why do you say?
This is my favorite show of all time next to Breaking Bad. GoT gets third place
@@Cheddar_Wizard GoT doesnt deserve the 3rd place my friend.
It's like two top tier actors are having a showdown while complementing each other so well that it's just one intense composition of emotions. I have never seen a scene so packed that you feel like watching an actual fight.
I'm here to make you doubt.
How about the one where mike is explaining to his daughter-in-law what happened to Matty? The one where he says "I broke my boy"? Might be even better...
I almost cried seeing them argue
It’s a darn shame
i feel you. My heart was beating.
It's like seeing two of your best friends argue
It's like watching my parents fight
To be honest, to this day I still don't know if Jimmy really feels bad about Chuck's death. I think he's such a good liar that he has completely buried the truth about his feelings even to himself.
Honestly I think it really affected him, he just never shows it, even to himself. He pushes his feelings away so he doesn’t have to deal with the grief and guilt. Same thing is probably going to happen with Howard and will be the final nail in the coffin for Jimmy McGill being himself.
I don't think he really feels bad for his brother, his whole life was sabotaged, despite how much he cared for his brother, chuck really did not care about jimmy
Chuck's words and actions made his brother stop loving him.
@@Eustakista Right? Especially Chuck's last words to Jimmy--whether they were made in anger or not--were about as cruel as they could possibly be. If anything, Jimmy's taking Chuck's advice to heart: why have regrets? About anything? If the world is going to do everything in its power to kick Jimmy down then why should he ever have to feel sorry for getting a few punches in of his own?
But there's self-deception in that too. You can't turn all your feelings off, you just gotta bury them as deep as you possibly can.
He does, Chuck's death broke him and the way he dealt with it was compartmentalizing his feelings.
Even if he does feel bad for Chuck's death what does that matter for his hearing? He really loves being a lawyer and meant everything he said but was called insincere for not mentioning his dead brother so they wanted him to wrap for his Goliath of a lawyer brother and when he didn't he was called insincere for something that doesn't have anything to do with being a lawyer
"You are always down"
Not only hurts the way she says it, but jimmy realising she might be right. Damn, love hurts.
This is why men don't open up about their issues with their women.
They weaponize it against them. Then call men toxic when they refuse to trust them
I feel like this scene is also a huge turning point for KIM.
Other commenters are mentioning that Jimmy WAS sincere, and those from the board didn't know that. Kim actually genuinely and sincerely recognizes this, but is STRUGGLING because this Jimmy is completely different from the Jimmy that loved his brother so much. It's why Jimmy reading Chuck's letter was too much for her because she could recognize how broken their relationship was after he died.
Here, she's still trying to get used to Jimmy's new worldview. It's why she struggles to immediately agree that Jimmy was sincere, because she is still thinking from the straight-lawyer mindset accustomed with the nagging old version of Jimmy who loved his brother that she looked up to. If you look at the moments when Jimmy re-asserts to her that he was sincere, this isn't just her pitifully being a yes-person to him. She's personally reminding herself that Chuck's memory is a dead and bitter link to him that no one in the world can help mend.
For Kim to get used to this new Jimmy and his finally-complete transformation to Saul Goodman in Season 5 and 6, Kim needed to finally perceive Jimmy in a new way. This season, and especially this scene couple with the season finale's ending, was where it is set up.
Amazing analysis!
Agreed, such a good take. BCS is so amazing at the subtle changing of Jimmy and Kim, both independently and together.
Thing is they are both right and both wrong which is what makes this lovers' tiff such a good exchange! Jimmy feels insecure about the relationship and Kim's lack of accessibility cons aside (not helped that he's a very unsure of himself guy anyway) and Kim feels like she's babysitting a manchild half the time!
You're wrong
@@borris3768how so?
@@Rob-gp6yb Now that we see Jimmy's ending confession. It's hard to say they were both right and wrong. It turns out Kim was just completely right. And Jimmy is just completely lying to himself here. Jimmy was still hung up on Chuck, and his answers were insincere which Kim can see. But Jimmy refuses to see it and lashes out and blames her for not being on his side. And accuses her of looking down on him, which was just him projecting his insecurities and wasn't true. Kim always believed in Jimmy and always supported him.
This is the moment where Jimmy became insincere.
I don’t think so, since he starts being honest to Kim about cartel and his walk in the desert in season 5.
@@ivanmasjuk1742 Dude, Its the meme
@@merchantmocha4665 oh, now I get it
This joke isn't funny anymore and crowds up comments, unless you have a really clever one, can we just stop?
@@treefingers6572 No.
Bob really has Saul down, the hands, the emotion. Certainly my favorite actor
BCS excels in these amazing dialogue/character focused moments. Compared to BB which is more of an action/suspense focused show. Both masterpieces
Breaking Bad was definitely also dialogue/character driven 100%,
@@SumitKumarrr1 yeah I don’t get where the “action-focused” part comes from in BB when people talk about both shows. Sure, BB had way more exciting and high-stakes moments throughout, but they were made so powerful because of all the build-up they made beforehand. People act like BB didn’t have slower, more dialogue-based episodes in the early seasons. Still love both shows though.
@@vingasoline5068 bcs is slower paced than brba for sure but brba is fast paced because walt, unlike jimmy, is firing on all cylinders and REALLY wants to die on his hill while jimmy is only figuring his hill out, it makes sense for the pacing to be faster. i love both shows, they are different but i def disagree with the idea that brba is less character driven
As good as Rhea Seehorn's acting is, sometimes I'm even further impressed by Bob cause he fills his character so seamless. It's like Bryan Cranston's acting. There is not a second you might think this person could be artificial cause it's so natural.
I really like that Jimmy is both lashing out at how he's essentially screwed when trying to do things by the book. and also trying to emotionally sabotage himself by pushing away Kim because he KNOWS she's all he's got and he feels like he doesn't even deserve her. all that stuff abotu the office and slippin' jimmy. those things were probably in the back of his mind but it didn't really matter to him because of all the things Kim actually did for him and with him. he jsut brought all that up because he wanted to burn the bridge.
3:32 i cant believe this acting from Rhea Seehorn its so real the frustration of trying to genuinly talk to someone who's so caught up in their misery they basically just wanna show how bitter they are more than anything
I remember watching a Character Analysis on Saul/Jimmy and it said that one of his biggest flaws is he’s got low self esteem, even despite the scams and his success, and you can see it in this scene. Brilliant acting
How
@@TaxingIsThieving he thinks that no one appreciates him or acknowledges him for his true character. He was being sincere with the hearing but all they wanted to hear about was Chuck. So Jimmy decided to use his Slippin’ Jimmy tactics and talked about Chuck when he didn’t really mean it at the time to get his job back. He’s insecure about Kim because he feels like she only likes him because she likes to have fun scamming people with him. It’s quite sad.
@@sygmeister But he wasn't actually sincere. He just thought he was sincere because he truly didn't want to think about Chuck. But in his final confession, he finally confronts that of course he cared the whole time and it was eating away at him. Kim and even the board could tell he wasn't being truthful with himself about Chuck, even if he may not have realized it himself. Of course, he was more sincere than his Saul persona. But was Uof Samoa his inspiration? No, that's not a sincere answer. Did Chuck really not matter to him, no that's not a sincere answer either, even if Jimmy wanted to believe that was true and sincere.
Every time I hear the word "insincere" this scene always pops into my mind. The acting here is brilliant - Kim seems genuinely emotional here and Jimmy's eccentric raging is insanely entertaining.
"Oh, what a mistake it was to take me up to your office... IN THE SKYYY! You'll never do that again!"
Jimmy S4: You have some fun with Slippin Jimmy
Kim S6: I was having too much fun.
He called it way before howard did.
"You get a little bored with your life, so you come down and roll around in the dirt and have some fun with Slippin' Jimmy." Oh my god, he was 100% right.
Damn that’s nuts
He called it before Howard
Who would know better than Jimmy
The sad part is that everyone was right about each other in this show. Jimmy was right about Kim, Kim was right about Jimmy, Chuck was right about Jimmy
@@youraveragepasser-by7367 you are goddamn right!
At the time , it seemed like a baseless accusation. Now we know it's totally true
So fun to come back and experience this after the end. It's amazing everything they built up in the series, every step of the way.
Jimmy driving through that carpark as if Kim was a 'K' icon in GTA
I love how you can tell Kim is mentally preparing to take on the full emotional blow of Jimmy's breakdown. The way she puts out that cigarette just as she hears Jimmy's shitbox suzuki esteem screeching its way unto the rooftop it's like she's saying, "alright, here we go"
Definitely one of the best scenes so far in the show
I still don't see any chemistry from Kim. She's a sister to him. Or a mommy. Jimmy always needs rescuing.
2:06 i love you can tell that, despite him saying chuck doesnt matter to him, he is still thinking about what he said before he died
It's like when Chuck said "you never mattered all that much to me" to Jimmy then we immediately see how untrue it actually was. Both brothers deeply cared about each other but they could never say it
@@poggerwhite yeah reminds me of my relationship with my sister. we don't talk to each other anymore.
0:35 I love how this show doesn’t have a lot of f bombs, so when they come out, they really hit like a truck
ok cool
The insecurity from Jimmies past and Chuck sowed in him sit SO deep! It's such a reflexive defense mechanism of his he can't even control it propperly. No wonder he invendet Saul Goodman as a shield!
"If I cannot make them happy I might as well be what they believe me to be. At least then I won't have to try anymore!" 😔
0:00 - This is the moment Jimmy McGill became, Jimmy McQueen.
they are phenomenal actors, the delivery, the acting, even the micro micro expressions. They just GETS it. I hope Rhea and Bob win the emmys and many more awards cuz they deserved it a lot. like a LOT.
This is so real. I think Kim really thought less of him, but will never admit it to herself because she loved him. And Jimmy isn't arguing her as Kim, he is talking to everyone who ever hurt him with the words he repeats. Hurt for both sides is inevitable.
I think the look Kim gives him isn't thinking less of him, but Kim realizing that Jimmy is lying to himself. Jimmy desperately wants to believe that Chuck didn't matter to him, because he isn't ready to deal with the pain and hurt of all that. So Jimmy claims he doesn't care about Chuck and believes it's his sincere feelings. But of course, it isn't true which is confirmed in the finale, and Kim knows that isn't true too, hence the look.
I love how jimmy is completely absolutely 100% wrong in this scene and yet we can feel him
Lmao he’s not. He nailed it at 3:35
@@smtandearthboundsuck8400 No. Although it's true that Kim enjoys committing crimes with Jimmy, the extent to which she sacrifices her time and her interests for him goes far beyond the thrill of it, and he cannot see her love for him for what it is. All the things he says here are projections of his self-pity and unprocessed grief over his brother's death.
@@dsch0 I mean you cant accuse Jimmy of being 100 percent wrong or bad. He did help out kim a couple of times in the show. You can feel in season 6 that he cares more about kim getting the trust fund than them scamming howard, its quite subtle but its there
@dsch0 So.......he's right? Jimmy nailed that part of Kim. Kim wants the action and the thrill of Jimmy's schemes. Yes she loves him but she throws that out of the window after the Howard incident. She loves the thrill more than she loves Jimmy.
Amazing scene!! I think I sided more torwards Kim, but then you realize that Jimmy is telling the truth about not missing Chuck and it's frustraring that no one believes him.
it's a messy situation. he isn't lying to the committee but one could argue he was lying to himself, since throughout the season we do see him constantly suppress his feelings about chuck
@@PhulaTrox The flipout on Howard I think was the most blatant example of how he's not really over it.
@@Newt0rz yep
you interpeted this all wrong. He's LYING about not missing Chuck. He loves Chuck, but he's repressing his emotions like he always does and he just keeps lying to himself and others. He's not sincere, and that's the point. everybody but he can see that he's more vulnerable than he gives off. it's better to bottle the emotions up and dismiss them, than outright admit he cares for a brother who denounced him in return. this is a moment of explosive vulnerability, not of frustration.
@@EliteNormie yeah I did😭😭 y'all are smarter than me in the replies, I agree with everything you said
This is honestly one of the most real and relatable scenes i've ever seen
It's such a breath of fresh air to see a show where two people in a relationship stay in a relationship no matter how many scenes like this play out. I'm not saying it's a healthy one, I'm just saying I've been waiting for the mandatory 'break-up' or 'pause in relationship' scene since the first season, and it hasn't happened yet.
Two brilliant actors.
"You are NOT being downed, Jimmy. You ARE down."
"A man gets kicked when he's down and I think that of you? No. YOU ARE. THE ONE WHO KICKS."
"I AM THE DOWN."
@@pikpik42 💀
This comment is gold
I AM THE DOWNS.
After watching this scene, I thought that Kim was out of Jimmy’s league as a romantic partner.
After watching the finale of season 5, I realized that Kim is also out of Jimmy’s league as a con artist.
Season 5’s ending left me feeling so flabbergasted by Kim’s character development.
I also found it neat that the two finales parallel one another perfectly.
By the end of season 4, Kim is dumbfounded by Jimmy’s transition into Saul Goodman.
By the end of season 5, Jimmy/Saul is dumbfounded by Kim’s immoral behavior.
TBH, she could do much better. And I really don't see that much chemistry between the two. She is never that affectionate. She never opens up to him, let's her guard down. She always keeps her distance.
@@scottslotterbeck3796 I’d disagree with that, I think they have plenty of chemistry, especially compared to other TV couples such as Walt and Skyler, where nearly every scene between the two is just awkward as hell. Jimmy and Kim have had each other’s back’s throughout the whole series, whether they’re going up against Lalo, Chuck, or whoever it may be. And just because she doesn’t show a lot of affection or open up to Jimmy doesn’t mean they don’t have chemistry. BCS has never tried to be a super romantic show.
@@GiantsFan1734 Skyler is sexy as hell. Kim is...clinical.
@@scottslotterbeck3796 Skyler sexy? 😅
0:10 I swear this shot is one of the coolest scene of all time. Kim looks like she is about to kill someone with words
Their is a lot to go over from this conversation and argument alone.
1. Right off the bat, the way Jimmy handles guilt is through extreme amounts of denial and indifference.
Jimmy will always love Chuck, but after all the hurtles Chuck placed unto Jimmy’s path, he can’t help but resent his brother for his extremely tuff and brutal judgment of him. Chuck’s the reason why they are having this conversation in the first place as Chuck decided to record and set Jimmy up. Death is a cut-off point for many people. Death doesn’t solve all the left-over problems the other person left. So Jimmy is still holding unto so much anger and doesn’t even want to mention him all that much because he feels like he’s still trapped behind Chuck’s shadow.
2. Obviously what’s happening is that Jimmy is projecting unto Kim. Everything he says, it’s what he thinks about himself. Clearly in the presence of Kim, he feels lesser and less worthy to be beside her. Kim, at this point in time, is everything Jimmy is not. She is a well respected and beloved lawyer with a Multi-million-dollar client, who has her own department and associates. She receives many awards, many praises, and a lot of respect. Jimmy at this point is just selling phones to criminals and running his operation like a criminal organization.
This show is so incredible for how complex each character feels and if you look through the eyes of all of these characters, their reasons and actions all make sense to them and only them.
Jimmy WAS insincere, the finale just confirms that. He repressed his feelings all the way, that's what really made him Saul in the first place. Y'all really misunderstood this scene, him not saying anything about Chuck was a CHOICE, and he left it out because Chuck hurt his feelings, but in the hearing they asked for his inspiration, and we all know Chuck is what got him into being a lawyer in the first place.
Yup, I admit I interpreted this scene in the wrong way when I first watched it. Upon completing the entire show & now re-watching the clips, it's clear that Jimmy DID care about Chuck, but he shut his feelings down behind a closed door as that was his way of coping with the circumstances. So yeah, he was insincere at his re-instatement hearing.
@Tirthankar Sarkar It definitely was less "pushing feelings aside" and more "spiteful hatred." No matter how much Jimmy loved Chuck, Chuck still tried to ruin his brother's life and put him down every chance he could.
@@sirlimen333 Yeah, especially considering Chuck's last words to Jimmy were "You've never mattered all that much to me". Those lines stuck with Jimmy, and perhaps is the key reason for his indifference to Chuck's death. But that fact his, he DID care about Chuck which his why he attempted to reconcile with him before Chuck proceeded to destroy his feelings.
Well in a way he wasn’t insincere. He really believed what he was saying in the meeting - even if it wasn’t exactly the truth. But he convinced himself it was the truth, and he just didn’t want to talk about Chuck. So in a way, he couldn’t have been more sincere
I don’t think he was insincere at first, but this made him cynical and jaded towards his legacy as a McGill brother, and along the way he decided to toss it away after using it to his advantage.
You could feel how a lot of what he was saying were feelings relating to Chuck. Ironically shows how he does think about Chuck despite pushing it down and saying he doesn't.
This scene hits hard. It's the culmination after a lot of build up that was created slowly from season one. Their performances are obviously brilliant.
0:02 Better Call Saul: Tokyo Drift
This video deserves wayy more views. One of the best scenes in the show.
Kim is the kind of girl that every man needs in their life. Someone always there for u and has ur back.
I don't see any chemistry here. I think the only person Kim Wexler could love is Kim Wexler.
@@scottslotterbeck3796 have you even seen the show??
@@chadadams2338 What show?
oh man that didn't age well
@@scottslotterbeck3796 chemistry is not the only thing that is important in a relationship. Willingness to be together and make the relationship work is another factor. Kim and Jimmy clearly wanted to be together
Sucks that he was ultimately right about Kim wanting “to roll around in the dirt with Jimmy”
yeah, that is so incredibly sad - as at the time it seemed as if Jimmy was rightfully angry, but taking it out on Kim
definitely.
I still don't think he was right about that. Kim didn't stand by him because she just wanted some kicks and she didn't leave him because she thought she was better than him, she left because they caused an innocent man to get killed and she knew *she* was responsible. IK this was written before the finale but her visiting Jimmy in prison is proof to me that her having his back, her being there for him all through their relationship was out of genuine love and affection not just for the thrills
@@skatefan9495 But Jimmy is claiming the kicks is the reason why she was with him, which just isn't true at all. Just because she does enjoy the kicks does not mean that's why she stayed with him, especially at this point in the story.
It says a lot about how broken the justice system is in this universe that they were basically waiting to hear Jimmy talk about how great Chuck is and how important he is to him after the dude went on an unhinged rant on record about how awful Jimmy is and how he never deserved to be a lawyer and is a menace to society. They KNOW what Chuck said and did to his brother, and how damaging that would be, it's the only reason he wasn't disbarred. Despite that, they're still waiting for it and call him insincere when he doesn't mention him at all, something almost anyone would do after what he said.
Like, that's relationship-ending stuff. You never move on from it. Even when Chuck was clearly in the wrong (even though we viewers know he was right about him in a way, at least modifying the documents) they still punished Jimmy and wanted him to parrot some bullshit about how great his brother is.
I know Jimmy is supposed to look pathetic in this scene (actually, he's pathetic in every scene he is in) but damn! He is the only guy on Earth that managed to make Suzuki Esteem look cool.
How does he look pathetic?
1. He's not pathetic
2. It's an import..
You’re the only pathetic one here “Joseph Wong”
I just can't take that Esteem seriously. There are too many fake sound effects.
@@laylover7621 he kinda is
you could really see the number chuck did on jimmy he’s so insecure and begins to think kim doesn’t want to be a law partner with him because of the way chuck treated him. he really believes kim sees him the same way chuck did.
"you are always down" is so hurtful
I cant express how good this scene is. The buildup, the filmography, the entire argument and how well it flows. I rewatched this scene at least 20 times because that’s how good it is. My favorite part of this entire argument is that Jimmy was being genuine how he felt yet the board didn’t see it as such. Additionally Kim is right about Jimmy always be down which is why it’s an effective way to end such a phenomenal scene. In terms of scenes this scene is definitely underrated and has to be one of my favorite scenes of Better Call Saul
1:04 This never fails to make me laugh.
How, in the living hell, have these two not won Emmys yet? The worst of Game of Thrones won best show, and these 2 actors get NOTHING for their performances... It's a stain on the academy
I agree. Hopefully season 6 can change that
Peter Dinklage was awesome though.
@@DJNITON he was, but towards the end he was good. Just good. And he's a supporting actor. Bob and Rhea are frontline actors in BCS. They wouldnt compete with Dinklage
@@billycostigan1247 true! Dinklage’s prime was season 4. Michael McKean should’ve been nominated in that category though.
pretty sure this is my favourite episode in the show, or at least my fave scene. so real and raw and good
Jimmy's solution going forward isn't to be more sincere. It's to be a better liar
I can relate so hard to Saul here. So focused on the goal that he never considers if he's actually doing anything to earn it.
This scene is one of the main reasons why I love season 4 so much
3:57
Saul: There you go! Kick a man when he's down bad in 4K!
Kim: Jimmy, you are always down bad in 4K.
Kick a man when he have Down.
fail.
@@Zack29810 87 likes says otherwise.
@@demon5928 87 likes in 2 years is pretty bad, dude.
It’s so ironic that when Jimmy was being sincere during the hearing he gets denied but, when he’s genuinely insincere, he gets his law license back. Great subtle commentary on the justice system, honestly.
Great acting. Incredible storyline. I'm on pins and needles to see what happens in the final season. What happens to Kim, Nacho, and Lalo - even Howard. When does Tuco get out of the slammer and how will he be involved this oncoming train wreck? So many unanswered questions and loose ends.
The last 2 episodes of season 4 are just so real. The viewer understands how Jimmy bottled up all of his emotions about Chuck and is letting them out improperly, like in this argument with Kim or in the next episode with Ms. Esposito.
Jimmy, you are always down....
That line went hard.....
Quite honestly, I do believe Kim had reservations about sharing an office with Jimmy because of his reputation. It is the whole point of the show, no one believes that jimmy can change and be a good lawyer, people don't want to associate with thim, give him a good scholarship, a good job that is not out of pity, so he constantly spirals out of control breaking more and more rules. Not even Kim, she encourages a lot of time to break rules even when he tries not to.
Jimmy was so enthusiastic about the office because he believed he could change and start over, built something good with his partner, previously he wanted to do the same with chuck but got rejected, and now kim rejected him again and tha tis why he gets so upset about it. Jimmy thinks he can change but society doesn't, he always is going to be "that guy" and ultimately that partialy causes and accelerates his conversion into saul goodman.
God, Kim, what a woman, what a character. Forever memorable.
3:03 I remember when Jimmy got arrested for destroying the tape, and Kim didn't scorn and lecture him one bit, and she stood by him this whole time. I was waiting for this line to drop.
Kim was the only one that believe in Jimmy.. Standby Jimmy and yet he got such audacity to vent it on Kim
this is the moment saul became drift king
Lol
Kim said she might not answer his call next time
Even after their divorce she still answered :(
And even after he's one of the most wanted men in america.
he was right about the “roll around in the dirt” part.
Jimmy, Chuck is your brother, so cry a little then you are reinstated
Goid point. But Jimmy hated Chuck. With good reason. Chuck was always contemptuous of Jimmy.
@@scottslotterbeck3796 lol Irony of you saying "with good reason" in regards to Jimmy hating Chuck is that Chuck was always contemptuous of his brother 'with good reason' lol At the end of BCS we see that Jimmy is everything that Chuck said about him. Jimmy could never stop being 'slippin Jimmy'.
"The kind of lawyer guilty people hire" damn, betsy kettleman really hurt him back in season 1
The stuff he says about chuck hits different after the finale
this is one of my favorite scenes of any show I've ever watched
By season 6 they pretty much confirm that she does have fun rolling in the dirt with Slippin Jimmy. Crazy how accurate Jimmy's description would become.
This scene makes me angry because I’m just reminded that Bob didn’t win an Emmy for season 4 or 5
Jimmy was right about Kim rolling around in the mud with Slippin' Jimmy when she gets bored.
02:49 watched this over and over yet this was my favorite part. Jimmy's reaction is hilarious
This should not be funny.
@@senseweaver01 it is subjective and it is to me.
0:37 there was the one allotted f bomb for the season and it works so well
"jimmy, you are always down"
God I feel that so much. And i hate that I relate to it, but i do
Surprised the $200 Esteem survived the high speed parking lot drift :-D
Mentioning your dead brother for sympathy is literally the opposite of sincere
BCS do sure highlight how job applicant are approved in modern days... using some powerful reference is the point not your quality of experience😂.
I Just realized it's the same parking lot where Walt and Jesse shake hands in season 4 ending
My favorite thing about this argument is that both of them are telling the truth.
Uh no, only Kim was telling the truth. Jimmy was projecting his insecurities onto Kim and assuming that she thought the worst of him like everyone else in his life did.
@@EliteNormie eh she liked slipping around in the dirt with jimmy until she finger walked off
@@EliteNormie nah he was right too in the end about her wanting to “roll in the dirt with slippin jimmy”
@@EliteNormie She didn't think the worst of him, but she did see herself as superior to him.....and in the end, she actually was.
4:15 These shots define Vince Gilligan.
And Peter Gould
Vince Gilligan wasn't even involved in Season 4 lol
If I could find a partner this dedicated to me, I would trade everything for her and be the happiest man alive.
My gahd, this scene is gold. I love the lines, acting, all in all! This is perfect.