This series is elucidating. In that first game, Lyn played as flawlessly as a player possibly can. Literally *no* faulty execution in terms of his timings and movement, and not a single incorrect tactical decision. Lyn also got crazy lucky with items. Happy,. conversely, messed up royally: had a bad early game, took too long to get DK level 3, read Lyn's build totally incorrectly, didn't scout properly and allowed Lyn to creep whole map. And guess what? It was still razor-sharp until the end Lyn barely won. This is what Orc is up against. Let's face it: since 2021, at the highest level of WC3, Orcs only beat Undead when they get crazy items for Blademaster *and* the Undead screws up their early game and either can't get level 3 DK or misses their tech by more than a minute. Even with crazy items like Boots of Quel'Thalas or claws +12, Orc cannot win if Undead has even a decent early game. Coil/Nova killing SH over and over again from the other side of the screen. Since 2021, Lyn has tried *literally* 12 different builds Vs Undead, and the only thing that works is this straight tech to mass wyvern BS. Think what it means when one race has to forego all it's ground units and play only mass air because the melee DPS of the other race is so overwhelmingly better.
That's basically always the same when it's lyn vs happy. Even if lyn plays perfectly and happy makes mistakes (even losing heroes multiple times) he's not guaranteed to win. Feels like he's always the underdog even thought more often than not he plays better individually.
@@tehmastawow Exactly. I will never forget that game when Lyn had all 3 of his heroes at a higher level than Happy, Lyn was on 2 bases Vs 1 for Happy, had a 62 food army Vs 43 food army for Happy, killed both Happy's DK and Lich two times over, and Happy still won anyway. Happy simply unsommoned a couple buildings, rebought his heroes at tavern since mana is not a problem for UD due to statues anyway, and then proceeded to wreck Lyn. Lyn was running an expansion and was pumping zerkers from 2 raxes at once, and Happy with only his 3 heroes and 2 statues killed all of Lyn's heroes and army and won. Think about it: Lyn was pumping zerkers from 2 barracks at once, and Happy with only 3 heroes was killing them faster than Lyn could replace them! That is absolutely 'effin nuts! Down on hero levels, 1 base Vs 2 bases, 20 food smaller army and still wins with only 3 heroes and 2 statues pumping mana. I *literally* started to laugh out loud! Even worse were the Happy fanboys claiming that proves how good Happy is to win with only 3 heroes Vs BM + TC +SH, all on higher levels + 62 food on zerkers. The Happy fans missed the point completely! The point is that, in a balanced game, is one player has higher level heroes *and* is mining5 from 2 bases *and* has a 20 food advantage, the player with all those advantages should win and the other player should lose because you should not be able to win at that point *NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO* .After securing that *many* advantages, you should be the deserving winner. When 3 heroes are better than 3 high-level heroes + 62 army, it is ridiculous. There is no "micro" that should win you that in a balanced game. Not even AlphaGo with 20,000 APM should come back from that in a balanced game. Also, saying that coming back from so many disadvantages "proves" that Happy is so g4ood is a bad argument, because: how g4ood are you really if your opponent outplayed to the point of having higher level heroes than you, an expansion and a bigger army? If you are so "good", then why did you allow your opponent to beat you at everything until the last moment when you "skillfully" came back from having been outplayed by your opponent up to that point? BS.
Spoiler : 47:26 this fight must be called coil nova. 3 hero down …. In the middle ud is left with no army just coil nova easy game .. but when hu does banish hammer holy light that is humba
Actually happy plays always dirty if you follow him. When things get serious and happy close to lose, he always hero focuses with coil and nova so hard. Its almost impossible to react to coil and nova, cuz it happens instant and im sure happy practiced it like million times.
@denifisher7809 i did not say anything about rule break. Playing "dirty", which means uses his OP advantage too much. We all know coil nova is broken combo. No army just 3 heroes and he won that says everything.
Not really, Lyn is one of the best and orc hasn't been doing too good. Very good and deserved win from him. Only Hum overtuned after 5 or so straight years of buffs and at the same time many UD nerfs aimed especially at the HU vs UD match up
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This series is elucidating. In that first game, Lyn played as flawlessly as a player possibly can. Literally *no* faulty execution in terms of his timings and movement, and not a single incorrect tactical decision. Lyn also got crazy lucky with items.
Happy,. conversely, messed up royally: had a bad early game, took too long to get DK level 3, read Lyn's build totally incorrectly, didn't scout properly and allowed Lyn to creep whole map.
And guess what? It was still razor-sharp until the end Lyn barely won. This is what Orc is up against. Let's face it: since 2021, at the highest level of WC3, Orcs only beat Undead when they get crazy items for Blademaster *and* the Undead screws up their early game and either can't get level 3 DK or misses their tech by more than a minute. Even with crazy items like Boots of Quel'Thalas or claws +12, Orc cannot win if Undead has even a decent early game. Coil/Nova killing SH over and over again from the other side of the screen.
Since 2021, Lyn has tried *literally* 12 different builds Vs Undead, and the only thing that works is this straight tech to mass wyvern BS.
Think what it means when one race has to forego all it's ground units and play only mass air because the melee DPS of the other race is so overwhelmingly better.
That's basically always the same when it's lyn vs happy. Even if lyn plays perfectly and happy makes mistakes (even losing heroes multiple times) he's not guaranteed to win. Feels like he's always the underdog even thought more often than not he plays better individually.
@@tehmastawow Exactly. I will never forget that game when Lyn had all 3 of his heroes at a higher level than Happy, Lyn was on 2 bases Vs 1 for Happy, had a 62 food army Vs 43 food army for Happy, killed both Happy's DK and Lich two times over, and Happy still won anyway.
Happy simply unsommoned a couple buildings, rebought his heroes at tavern since mana is not a problem for UD due to statues anyway, and then proceeded to wreck Lyn. Lyn was running an expansion and was pumping zerkers from 2 raxes at once, and Happy with only his 3 heroes and 2 statues killed all of Lyn's heroes and army and won. Think about it: Lyn was pumping zerkers from 2 barracks at once, and Happy with only 3 heroes was killing them faster than Lyn could replace them! That is absolutely 'effin nuts! Down on hero levels, 1 base Vs 2 bases, 20 food smaller army and still wins with only 3 heroes and 2 statues pumping mana.
I *literally* started to laugh out loud! Even worse were the Happy fanboys claiming that proves how good Happy is to win with only 3 heroes Vs BM + TC +SH, all on higher levels + 62 food on zerkers.
The Happy fans missed the point completely! The point is that, in a balanced game, is one player has higher level heroes *and* is mining5 from 2 bases *and* has a 20 food advantage, the player with all those advantages should win and the other player should lose because you should not be able to win at that point *NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO* .After securing that *many* advantages, you should be the deserving winner. When 3 heroes are better than 3 high-level heroes + 62 army, it is ridiculous. There is no "micro" that should win you that in a balanced game. Not even AlphaGo with 20,000 APM should come back from that in a balanced game. Also, saying that coming back from so many disadvantages "proves" that Happy is so g4ood is a bad argument, because: how g4ood are you really if your opponent outplayed to the point of having higher level heroes than you, an expansion and a bigger army? If you are so "good", then why did you allow your opponent to beat you at everything until the last moment when you "skillfully" came back from having been outplayed by your opponent up to that point? BS.
@@PeteCrawfordCrawfordI see what you did there..
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the lack of spoiler shield WAS the spoiler shield, cuz you were expecting a spoiler shield.
For the Horde!
Good series :) Orc has been forced into wyverns vs UD since RoC
ah... good oh tower rushing orc in ROC. those were the days. and 100/200/300 mana burn demon hunter.
@@alexch3618 That DH was so oppressive. Carried 5 health potions too lol
Can we start getting a spoiler shield comment? I hate spoilers
happy forgot fiends and banshee strategy
Can anyone tell mw what oatch changes made human better than ud? Or is fortitute just a beast
324 crit!
Spoiler :
47:26 this fight must be called coil nova. 3 hero down …. In the middle ud is left with no army just coil nova easy game .. but when hu does banish hammer holy light that is humba
Actually happy plays always dirty if you follow him. When things get serious and happy close to lose, he always hero focuses with coil and nova so hard. Its almost impossible to react to coil and nova, cuz it happens instant and im sure happy practiced it like million times.
@@thegreatgatsbygatsby474 Dirty?😅 There are no rules in war SS I recall.
Btw a league of legends player here.
@denifisher7809 i did not say anything about rule break. Playing "dirty", which means uses his OP advantage too much. We all know coil nova is broken combo. No army just 3 heroes and he won that says everything.
@@thegreatgatsbygatsby474 fair enough.
UD = the most OP race in W3 history.
Nope, it's Human and Orc that are imba.
@@Rex_416orc is the weakest race in WC3 according to winrate this patch…
@@rich531can you tell me where can i see that win rate statistics you are referring to?
@@Biobin123 it’s on the w3champions site
Happy is OP
REMO, please cast more games! The overlay NEO is using is unwatchable :D (although he is good caster no doubt)
By the way your overlay don't show the traning of shade
Where is Fly?
He s a dummy
@@MyHomeExperiments ??
Return back heal scroll to UD shop man
Maybe change wand into better item or buff it? Having to compete for scroll is good, wand needs fix. Win -win
Here we go again, every opposing faction happy fought and he lose is op🤣🤣🤣
AWhy do you like whining? IT's not about OP, it's about imbalance in specific matche-ups and pretty stupid UD nerfs in worst aspects to do it.
Not really, Lyn is one of the best and orc hasn't been doing too good. Very good and deserved win from him. Only Hum overtuned after 5 or so straight years of buffs and at the same time many UD nerfs aimed especially at the HU vs UD match up
Really? I see only the comment about how "UD = the most OP race in W3 history." Where are those comments you talk about? Can you show them, please?
@@skywillfindyouwhy are you whining?