TALKING GENEFATHER! SPOILERS & THOUGHTS!
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the fact Cawl has a Guilliman ChatGPT ai is just adorable
What's even better is it hates itself for existing! 😅
It is Hersey. 💯
To be fair, when working with peoplr that powerful it becomes a reasonable tactic.
I had to pause my audiobook at this part. I couldn't stop laughing, in shock and horror.
We know what "G" stands for real now.
Belisarius Cawl is a great character. I like how he does not absentmindedly stick to ritual but seeks to better the Imperium through ingenuity. Tech Heresy is the only way to save the Imperium.
Also, considering Cawl's AI, I think there's more to the Men of Iron rebellion than what we're told, considering the Leagues of Votann's Ironkin, and UR-025, seem pretty sane.
Small fact check; Cawl's not intending to travel back in time. Instead, he's intending on using the fact that a Pylon network node is on the event horizon of a blackhole where time has practically stood still to find an example of pristine necron tech
I am surprised that people are not catching on the fact that Cawl does not seem all that concerned by the fact that Bile has Primus’ gene seed.
This is a setup, looks to me like Cawl has built in fail safes into Primus, it cant be that easy. Also, leaving the door open for future interactions as well as name dropping Trazyn all over the book lol
the doctor the engineer and the historian
Yea that got me kinda bothered as the book did not provide any closure as to his concerns on the stolen progenoid glands. But regardless of the failsafes, Bile will surely circumvent that inevitably
Cawl isn't a big fan of Psycho-conditioning, yet, Alpha Primus is Loyal (Capital L) to Cawl. I do suspect the loyalty lays deep on a genetic level. All clones of Primus or any marines made using his genetic material will also be unconditionally loyal to Cawl. Good luck to Bile if he dears growing one of those clones
They need a chronomancer so maybe we will get Orikan as well?
The fact that Alpha Primus is a constant soul mess shows that it wont really work out in any interesting way.
I kinda hate the idea of primaris chaos space marines…. Because they should already be more powerful than loyalist, what with their chaos juice and being way “older” due to warp nonsense… primaris were meant to level the playing field… or adleast come close, but it looks as if the gap will yet again be widened with whatever Bile cooks up… I almost feel like this is a way to sell primaris chaos space marine models and make money, but I guess I’ll just have to hold faith that they have a plan
Agreed
I was hoping Bile would take his improved chaos marines in a totally different direction...
At first, I concured.
With Possessed, Warp Talons, Obliterators, CSM have had an advantage for 10,000 years. Primaris put loyalist on the level.
But I suppose it's an arms race; CSM don't want endless war per se, they want to actually BEAT the Imperium eventually. This may force loyalist forces to adapt (new models) as well.
I mean c'mon, at least give Reiver squads lightning claws or something. Jeez.
No doubt it's about money. Two most popular factions are Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines. Primaris did the job of getting people to spend money on new Space Marine stuff, seems obvious they would do it with Chaos.
@@magnum32b that's fair. I wish that instead of getting chaos primaris 1 to 1 copies that they'll go another direction with it
Really wish GW would make it easier to know which books to read for which narratives/character arcs.
They need a universe compendium created.
If I had the Entire Black library catalog I could do it..... Probably take 3 years.
this is why I just watch youtube unless its the newer releases that are of interest by audiobook
I wish GW would make it easier to know even their new books are coming out at all
I think Cawl deliberately set this up so that Guilliman would give that order to him. Now that Cawl has that order he can bully the other forgeworlds to help him, where they might not have before.
To me, it feels like Alpha Primus' geneseed is a stable Chimeric one somehow involving all of the Legions, maybe even the lost ones.
If I remember correctly cawl has used every single gene seed from all the legions. Even the two lost ones that we know little about.
I think he does have all 20. I the great work novel. I do remember vividly that there was a scene where Alpha primus was looking into some kind of alternative dimension/time line necron mirror thing. In it he didn't she his reflection, but he 20 smaller versions of himself.
Can't be all the Legions. Doesn't seem the type for villainous monologs, so Cawl did the right thing and dumped the Word Bearers into the trash
I'm under the impression that Alpha Primus is a demi-primarch. Cawl used his own DNA as base then applying same techniques the Emperor used to create the primarchs by mimicking the gene-seed gifts in Alpha own gene. The result being a water down verison of the primarchs gifts expressed through his own clone son
This would be reason for me why Alpha is always in pain as his truly human DNA if foundation were as the Emperor primarchs are made from perpetual DNA a stronger source code one might say.
I feel like bile is going to use the gene seed to make his new men even more juiced up, maybe even getting some to the emperor’s children, with these new experiments that would allow GW to make new models for the third legion and further justify their own tabletop codex with creations of bile as a sub faction in that codex rather than the CSM book
I can 100% confirm that the Emperor's Children were already getting their own book (and the plastic Primarch). This just makes the variety in new plastic units more interesting. The 40k direction for the divergent legions has been to make them more...divergent from one another and the core line under Abaddon. Further separating them from 30k/HH stuff as well - which is for the better. The universes shouldn't still look the same after 10,000 years.
I have an absolutely hate if the New men just followed the third legion because they seem so much cooler than toys for the gods
If Cawl inferior was created on Mars, I ponder if it was influenced by the c’tan trapped there. And it wants to bring Cawl back to Mar for w/e reason.
I liked that Alpha Primus was a bit more fleshed out, but I also disliked how underpowered (in a manner of speaking) he was against Bile's creature.
Underpowered?
He near effortlessly destroyed a horde of Beastmen, a smart Minotaur and did defeat Porter in that duel.
It was luck that she got his helmet off and Biles skill with drugs, that beat him in the end.
Alpha Primus isn't a Primarch! He has never ever showed that kind of power.
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen Didn't read Genefather but Alpha Primus is a psyker beast, not a primarch, but almost in the level of a saint AND gave SM the shivers down the spine, as one feels when close to a predator. Alpha Primus fucks harder than student loan... I can see no way of him being easily downed by Bile's abonimation without a little help from Deus ex machina =)
@@pablonunalvares5391 do you know the combat abilities of Biles "New Men"? In this case a female named Porter.
They are the pride and joy of his arts and refined over millenia to replace Mankind with a superior version.
They and she are deadly! More than a match for a standard marine... and armed with Blackstone gear to dampne Psyker-powers.
And Primus still beat her (with some difficulties) but she gave Biles needlelauncher an opening.
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen In the Fabius Bile books the New Men were not the equal of a Space Marines. They would hunt in packs like wolves to take down Space Marines. True though using alien Tech could level the playing field. And Alpha Primus at the Great Work was described as another league above Space Marines. Alpha Primus was a very experience veteran who had been going on covert missions for Belisarius for at least 9000 years, without warp shenanigans. Even lacking psychic powers he would be very dangerous.
@@serronserron1320 those were the gland-hounds. They were mere prototypes of what Biles ever evolving super race has become.
And as I said: He did win! What more do you want? He fought Bile and Porter. They prepared for the fight, had the element of surprise....
I know what... Read the damm Novel yourself.
I wonder if the time travel thing will accidentally open additional battlefronts across time itself as the ancient necrons and their foes invade across time to try and rescue or assist their own decendants, or else might awaken another minor chaos god of time?
The time traveling is, of course, the loophole used by Cawl to justify the use of xeno-tech.
If he stole it BEFORE the Emperor is born, there is no law broken.
They bring back a bunch of angry vengeful old ones
@@serronserron1320 that wouldn't be good, but probably survivable. The old ones were defeated once before but things would get a lot worse
I like but don't trust Cawl but I think we can cut him some slack. He spent 10K years building the Primaris project.
We know Cawl likes to reverse-engineer, experiment. My hunch is Primus is Cawl’s first step in recreating a Primarch.
And Cawl isn’t attempting time travel. He’s trying to retrieve tech from a world falling into a black hole.
I get the sense it’s not going to be chaos “Primaris”. It’s just a bunch of fearmongering amongst the community.
They write lore to sell models, yes?
They *just* updated the chaos marines with 8th edition. The sculpts are incredibly new, all things considered. Further, legionnaires would have been updated with the kill team in the middle of 9th edition if they were changing anything. But all they added were icons and the balefire tome among other wargear options.
My moneys on a “creations of bile” subfaction. And I’m not even a chaos fan
Man Genefather was a GREAT read! I agree that it doesn't really move thing forward too much but like you said it definitely allows for some great narrative arcs in the future, as long as GW actually decides to move these things forward. I also am not a fan of the "Chaos Primaris" idea as it is REALLY NOT needed. Unfortunately though I can see GW pushing it to justify new models, even though they seem to have enough problems updating the armies they already have (I say that as a Eldar main player for 30+ years). This book has really made me hope that GW will change one of the biggest problems that they have with the 40k setting. That being the fact that they treat 40k lore as a supplement to the game instead of treating the lore as the main base for the setting and the game as a supplement. That way of thinking made sense and worked for 40k for at least the first 10 to 15 years, but now the lore has really outgrown the game by leaps and bounds over the past 15 years and especially since 2016. Now it makes much more sense to let the lore grow and go where it needs and give it some conclusions and new areas to explore and not just use it as a way to push new models. I know at least 30 people who like the 40K setting but only 7 actually play and maybe 12 buy any minis but the majority buy the books and participate in the communities online. With the possible shows/movies in the future that side of the fandom is just gonna get bigger. Hell it's one of the biggest settings in SciFi/Fantasy that includes a broad range of genres, from Mystery/Crime and Horror to kids books and just about everything in between.
Rho calls it "Timetravel" and that is correct but not nuanced enough.
Cawl has identified a planet falling into a Black Hole. Gravity and time works such, so that all on this world is experiencing the flow of the universe ultra slowly.
This planet has the Pyloncontrol system on it. Cawl will need enough resources and tech to make a "time-tunnel" to safely get to the world and leave again.
That is the plan.
I quite like that seemingly small, but actually quite significant distinction. Big difference between a planet being in the past and being able to time travel to a point of one's choice.
I loved seeing Guy Haley write about Fabius. Josh Reynolds leaving put things on hold for a bit. Luckily Guy Haley is a fantastic writer and did an exceptional job with him. Looking forward to more.
Inquisitor Obi-Wan Sherlock shows up and says execute Order 40000.
Obi-Wan Cousteau?
@@jamesknight6468 I forgot a part of his name. Ty
While I don’t think primus is a primarch I do fully believe he’s a perfect combination of all the pure primarch gene seed OR he’s a remade clone of one of thr lost primarchs with all his brothers gene seed
In another book Alpha Primus describes that he's often in pain and doesn't feel natural so I wouldn't say it's a perfect creation.
Chaos primaris space Marines may come a thing with some few modifications?
With the Fourth Tyrannic war wonder if leaving for Nihillus now is a good idea, seems that the Tyranids are more of a pressing threat than Chaos as they are already in Segmentum Solar
I am waiting for a future Novel when Lion and Gulliman meet for the first time since the Heresy. It will be epic!
So hear me. I think it would be a really cool twist if gilliman was staunchly against what cawl has done But it's the lion who steps in with his new understending And tries to smooth things over
Could be interesting given the Lion's history with AI.
I think the title of the book is a revelation about alpha Primus. The genefathers are primarchs, Biles plan is to make his own primarchs, so in my eyes, alpha Primus is a prototype for a new primarchs
imo Alpha Primus, could be a experiment to improve on the Greey Knights .
My two favorite 40m characters in Belisarius Cawl and Fabius Bile. Cawl has talked to the Emperor in his dreams so I believe he has his approval for what he’s doing. As for Fabius, I think he’s going to make a New-Man Space Marine to protect “his” people.
'Surely the Fabricator General cannot overlook illegal time travel - Wait? Does that mean that legal time travel exists?
I guess necessary warp travel and the potential side effect of traveling forward/backward can be excused as being legal
Procter and the hints of the New Men are just *chefs kiss*
It's good that the lion found buddies. Otherwise, he might've gone full galactic night haunter.
I can see this going full Avengers End Game, with a huge time heist, a battle with the big bad, but a whole heap of consequences.
I'm really hoping Alpha Primus isn't a new Primarch, but frankly I wouldn't put it past GW to radically change their own lore, again. I think Cawl's ultimate end will come when they encounter Vashtorr across the rift. I full expect something to go down the lines of, "Hello, father!" Vashtorr said maliciously. "WHAT!?" Roared Roboute as he came to a stand beside Cawl.
I hate the idea of cawl openly becoming an enemy of the imperium
Cawl should remain adamantly a loyalist. Maybe like Gregor Eisenhorn path but still loyal.
I don't want a world where the imperium isn't at it's own throat
The initial conversation between these two was complete comedy… great book!
I think maybe we can look at this real history of Belasarius to see what happens next...
One thing not mentioned was Bile's mention of his New Men needing a leader, but clearly not a primarch. The real purpose of Bile wanting Alpha Primaris geneseed. Whatever satisfies Abbadon as an afterthought must be a pretty big deal. It also leads to more questions about the new men. Porter didnt have a warp presence, does that mean the new men have no souls? Even tau have a warp presence even if miniscule.
The other thing i'd be curious about, is if the scrapcode code could effect necrons, who have no souls. Warp infused malware seems like it would be devastating to them, or completely ignored. Or for that matter if you could put a demon into a "new man".
Lastly, if anchoring alpha primaris soul was an issue for Caw. Perhaps whatever Bile distills out of his geneseed would also result in binding chaos primaris being bigger, stronger, AND demon fused, given that so much power within that geneseed couldn't be properly anchored. It took supercharged souls to create a primarch. Bile or Abbadon wouldn't need to. Put a demon in it.
Many Necrons have regretted becoming the monsters they are, yet have not tried to go back to change things. Or rather, maybe they tried and were unsuccessful. Going back to the height of the Necron empire would mean contending with the Star Gods at their most powerful. Things can go really badly.
very dope book progress the lore a lot .. but i think its made ONLY for GW to be able to make and sell primaris chaos space marines.. i like Alpha primus so much . i dont like what happen to him in the book
Very very good book im excited to see what comes next, or the thoughts of crawl from the lion
We dont need another Guileman book ! More Lion El Johnson novels!!!
All I keep thinking about is Cawl's interaction with the Emperor in "The Great Work" basically telling him that Cawl's Heresy is necessary and correct. It even seems like the Emperor was amused with his antics. I seriously hope they don't give Chaos the Primaris, I was already irritated with the way they tried to shoe horn "traitorous/rebellious" Primaris into some stories. (I'm thinking of that story where the custodes are delivering a batch of new Primaris to a chapter only to find that chapter in a civil war as parts are trying to break away. So long story short the Custodes accuses the Primaris as being traitors and forcing them to defend themselves. I thought that was extremely dumb.)
Spoilers for Sons of the Selenar here.
The device that Cawl used to create the primaris was carried by a Raven Guard member that was previously saved by Magnus from dying. Then again when his ship was fired at and would certainly be destroyed, the Photep (Magnus' Ship) intercepted the shots and saved it. It has been bugging me for a while but i don't think Fabius mentioning "The Cyclops" is a coincidence.
I dont know if it will be primaris, but maybe the geenseed can just be mass produced quickly/easily. CSM biggest issue always seems to be their geenseed stock and ability to replenish numbers. Giving the Black Legion a way to mass produce Space Marines sounds like enough.
I like how they are making mysterious primaris. It adds to the whole dark unknown narrative of 40k. Some may hate the primaris but i think they are a brilliant addition, not only because they are much needed reinforcements for the imperium but also, much needed on a story scale. Great vid, Wolf Lord.
FINALLY DARK IMPERIUM’S COMING
Throne it’s been, what, 5 years?
I suspect that Alpha primus is a marine made from the 2nd or 11th geneseed and that maybe janos geneseed was used for psychic potential and the shard of Magnus that was given to create Janus is why there 15th legion geneseed there, Bile getting his hands on it means potentially EC getting new men to flesh out their forces and giving gw another unit for the emperor’s children
Given the recency of Chaos sculpts, I can’t see chaos primaris being a main line story beat. I do think Bile will probably continue with his New Men. I think loyalist and traitor are best power scaled by the new tech and marine types of the loyalists vs the warp corrupted tech and chaos empowered grizzled veterans of the traitors. Giving traitors both Primaris tech and access to chaotic powers tips the power scaling a little too much.
but, isn't Guilliman going west, after the Tyranids?
Maybe Cawl used a magnus shard to create? Either that or Cawl used geneseed from 2 or 11
i thought it was a great great book. Loved it. The guilliman ai part was hilarious.
Time loop theory: Alpha Primus is made using all 20 primarch geneseed, gets lost/left behind when Cawl time travels, he survives the millions of years becoming the Emperor and creating the 20 primarchs from his own DNA
I may be new to this, but I think the real fun here is that if it were possible that Guilliman fall to chaos. Sh*t would get real! lol
I don't know why so many people have a problem with Cawl being able to do so much with the Primarch project, but they have no problem with Fabius Bile creating his own primarchs.. Cawl Has the knowledge of the original scientists that worked on the Primarch project.
Fabius Bile is some grade A bullshit too. The notion that he could clone a Primarch is incredibly lame, I just don't think enough people have read the Black Legion novels to know about it.
A clone Horus and a clone Fulgrim. Absolutely cheapens the Primarchs and the Emperor himself by extension
@@richter6699 He's made clones of many of the Primarchs in several books and short stories. One of his own Gene Father that ended up in a certain Necron Museum. And he somehow did this in the Warp where everything is easily corrupted including the lab equipment.
I think it comes down to scale and quality. Bile made a few dozen attempts at primarchs that failed at being full recreations outside of arguably one. Cawl on the other hand created primaris in the millions along with new tech to with it and had to keep the final project along with the astronomical resources required under wraps for approximately ten thousand years away from the eyes of rest of the imperium.
I am a bit confused on the timeline here, we see guilliman on the Sanctus side of the rift for the first time with the devastation of Baal, we know for sure that lion meets Dante after this has already happend and a decent amount of time after as well given he thought word of it had already spread that far, so did guilliman already go to nhilus, came back for what I assume to be the plague wars and is now going back again or is this the first time he crosses, aka this novel is taking place around the time or shortly before the devastation of Baal (I know of the time shenanigans in the novel I am saying the time around which he literally appears in orbit)
To be honest the biggest blow up I think will be twofold, the ai on guilliman ship having ideas of its own is worrying enough,but I am certain guilliman will learn of the attack on cawl 's ship and any "primarie" Chaos marines appearing he will put 2 and 2 and this will be very tough to explain how chaos got chaos marine primaris Geneseed from cawl after guilliman expressly forbidden anything with the traitor legion liniage
Can't report to fab general, he's dead from the vaults of terra books, not sure if replaced yet
Didn´t the Fabricator General die shortly? Not sure if that was still open or confirmed in the last aults of terra book
Will bile be able to make the gear for the chaos primaris or will they end up like the eight bound for world eaters but for all chaos to enjoy, obvs wont be seeing too many death guard or thousand sons primus
what if alpha primus is actually alpharius? It would explain why nobody has seen him, and while fabius was so surprised at his apparent "weakness"? the alpha legion may have taken the new space marine geneseed from the raven guard during the heresy and alpharius could have worked with belisarius to use it to make the primaris
I thought the fabricator general was dead.
Killed at the meeting between the imperium and the dark eldar when it was realized the dark eldar were going to clone the big E.
And alpha primus could be primaris marine made using custodes technology.
Alpha Primus is a kind of psychic custode/astartes
AI Guiliiman being captured by chaos would mean biiig trouble
The Roboute inferior is a much simpler A.i. to be fair. The Cawl Inferior situation is more alarming. I wonder if Roboute will realize Qvo is an A.I.
Alpha can barely see his soul in the warp. Yet he seems to be pretty high in psychic abilities. Could he be created around a shard of Magnus? This is what gives him pain and his personality?
This could be why he seems a bit Primarch-ish.
I think he'll succeed in closing the rift and be deemed a hero then he'll be found out and either exiled or executed or even switching sides out of bitterness
Didn’t get on with the book myself, seemed like it just ended. Like, here’s your nugget of lore now sod off. There were also a couple interesting hooks that seemed to go nowhere (yet?)
This opens up way too many issues;
1 How bad and what effects on the Current Time line if Cawl screws up in the past?
2 Is the Cawl Inferior a True AI? If it is, it's already starting to go Rogue. That means 1 of 2 scenarios; It goes all Men of Iron 'kill all Meat Bags', or gets Chaos corrupted, and just happens to be on the Flagship. And thats just a couple of What if's.
If Big G is going to make his way to the Dark Imperium, does that mean the 4th Nid war is over? Or is it just no longer a major threat. I was kinda hoping for a story about how the war was getting so bad that Papa G had to physically get on the battle field and fight some super Nid.
Technically he already has. See Devastation of Baal.
@@jonharrison9222 Yea but I think that was before the 4th Nid war. Also that lore always confused me. It’s stated that G man has had trouble crossing the rift. But he did at least once to help out the Blood Angels. But then he helps out and just leaves without going to other places in the Dark Imperium? Just weird.
@@Upyours99xs If I'm not mistaken, the correct order of things right now is Dawn of Fire series > Space Marine Conquests series > Dark Imperium Trilogy > The Great Work > Genefather > Devastation of Baal > Darkness in the Blood > Son of the Forest.
So where we are in Genefather, he hasn't crossed the Rift yet to bring aid to the Blood Angels at Baal. And before he gets to the Blood Angels, I believe he linked up at least with the Dark Angels (because they do have their Primaris reinforcements now) although there's no novel for that.
Once he found Dante, he could leave Nihilus.
@@2012sonora Maybe but that order just sounds messy. Because does that mean the stuff with the Lion happened even further in the future. Because the Vastor stuff is happened before the 4th Nid war. Plus Dev of Baal was during the 3rd Nid was right? I wish there was a set time line, but I know that’s not how Warhammer works.
Mabe ap is a man of stone combined with cimeric gein seed. (Probly 1000 sons,ultra,impirial
Wouldn't it be ironic if the AI of Cawl turn out to save the Imperium. That banned them in the first place.
Grim Dark Irony.
I think AI would change the whole vibe of the 40k universe too much. It's got to be kept out so the guardsmen have something to do.....
@@nznick9033 AI playing chess with all the Chaos gods, while simultaneously having to take enough loses so as not to attract any Inquisitorial attention.
@@justinbruck9602 Na no way. Everything becoming automated? No need for grimy slave labour and grease monkeys and high danger manual work because bots can do it? Prosperity and comfort? It would all become plastic and shiny and star trek.
The only AI that fits the theme is evil or insane AI. Or.... AI headed that way but not quite there yet.
I can just imagine Guilliman confronting Cawl after all of this, and not be mad that Cawl did all the heretical stuff just that he wasn't informed first.
Clone of a lost Primarch perhaps?
That would change the ENTIRE GW universe. IF they did that, I would love to see where Loyalists stop mid battle and kneel to this new Primarch, who is fighting for the "wrong side". Epic
So a couple of things for me 1) I thought the Fabricator General was dead. I thought he was killed at the end of the book “the dark city” by Chris Wraight. So if that is true then doesn’t this story line set up a potential civil war within the Ad mec. With Cawl’s AI specifically asking for him to be installed and it’s clearly working on its own. It’s been doing it since “the Dark imperium” book. 2) I think primis is a chimera, he definitely has traitor gene seed and because he’s chimeric that probably why he’s always in pain and in THIS book he says he can’t really see himself in the warp as if he doesn’t have a soul. 3) I think Bile is trying to create a primus type to lead his “new men” this is going to be really interesting
Him not having a soul could be the source of his pain.
@@jamesespinosa690 He's a blank, and aware of it?
@@justinbruck9602 Oh, I forgot that Blanks don't have souls.
Maybe he doesn't have a 'real' soul?? Only an artificial one??????
Isn’t the fabricator general already dead during the arks of omen
He died earlier... lost in the Webway in a failed deal with the Dark Eldar.
But Cawl don't know this, and by the time he finds out, the Synod might have elected a new one.
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen thanks I knew he had died but couldn’t remember when timeline wise which brings the question how long can he be dead and gone and no one say shit to guilleman
@@Irishman1861Forever, mechanicus and imperium are still two different super powers working together, how and why their leader is dead is not important has long has they have a new one.
Wait, why did you say the Lion is not part of the main story. HE is the story. The Lion will pincer attack Chaos between the Fleet Guilleman is bringing into Niallis.
Cawl is trying his best, but he also has to deal with Fabulous Bill and hearing voices.
Also, I'm sure the Adeptus Mechanicus is in a bit of a tornado since the fabricator General is Awol.
The only way Cawl will beable to advance the pylons project will be working with Necrons. They built the pylons. He just needs to find something he can trade to Trazyn in return for help with Pylons.
Didn't the fabricator general die in the webway during that secret deal with the dark eldar in the webway? Or was that a fever dream 😅
This is his Abaddon become Horus- the Lion is going to get a beating from a true First Captain.
Alpha prime-archis more like it
What if Alpha Primus is the Resurrection of the one TRULY destroyed Primarch, Horus.
So is this set before devestation of baal? Or is guilliman _returning_ to nihilus?
I wonder if cawl is aware of trayzn?
Well he was talking to a necron and said he did meet with him so I would assume I think the bigger question is does he know about bile and clone falgrim
The fabricator general is dead in the webway, there's nobody to petition to.
They will just elect a new one.
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen That may take some time, since nobody knows he's dead or where he is.
@@Meridorka hell, even we aren't 100% on him being dead...
Good book but...
The ending as well as the plan against Cawl felt rushed and forced.
Chaos primaris revelation is just leading CSM as a copy paste army again... they could have led the chaos armies as a mix of aos-like demons and cultists to compliment the CSM.
How funny would it be if fulgrim comes into the story and destroys the gene seed etc of alpha primaris. And also smacks bile through a few walls. But I doubt it will happen.
Beat the +@#%$ outta Bile for the latest Ferrus clone failure.
Let's hope GW doesnt do something stupid like Cawl travelling back in time and either replacing Firstborn with Primaris from the beginning or him becoming Vashtorr.
Gulliman really should give the poor Arch Magos a break. After all he did resurrect a Primarch and pretty much single handily created the Primaris Marines and saved the Imperium by acting like a space squirrel and stashing Primaris Marines all over the galaxy like nuts in nests.
No Wolf Lord Rho, I don't think the Fabricator General will be involved at all. Because he is already dead. Yes, he's dead. Killed by the Drukhari in the webway. Along with some custodes and high ranking inquisitors.Are you aware of the story arc of 'The Dark Throne'? That's what I'm referring to.
imo, alpha primus is a grey knight primaris
There were a few moments that were very good. I’m not buying that Primaris had trouble with Bile.
Why did he only make one alpha Primus? Why not make an army of them or atleast like a 100 of them for a bodyguard.
I think Alfa primeris is a mixture of all the primarks
I just hate like non of these stories ever come out fully like we knew that Luther broke out and everything they kept saying he was gathering in legion size of fallen ok than the Novel comes out basically ending exactly where we wanted it to continue from.
So after that we get the lion and he is gathering up the "Good" fallen making them "Rizen" or Risen? Either way it's not cool All I'm saying is WHERE ARE THE FALLEN MINATURES & THE CHAOS PRIMARIS!
also the Whole Vashtor 5th GOD thing would be amazing But we all know that's not gonna happen We thought there would be The DARK MECHANICUM! from that also so I personally have now invested all in on The Fallen, Chaos Primaris & Dark Mechanicum But feel all of these will get scrapped for whatever reason and nothing comes of it.
We got SQUATS over the DARK MECHANICUM like ((WTAF))
If Magnus was dragged down by his imprudence in pursuing banned knowledge of the warp, Cawl will absolutely be dragged down by his imprudence in pursuing banned knowledge of tech. Death, Chaos or something worse. And if not, well GW just did Magnus the dirtiest one ever.
Sure is a lot of talk of time travel and AI in the most recent 40k books
What book is this from?
I bet Alpha Primus is a half-Eldar.
i hope the trairor legions don't get primarus because that will just be "we need to copy paste for the black legion"
Isn’t the Fabricator General dead in the web way?
To use wrestling lingo, Cawl jobbed to Bile.
I was sooo looking forward to reading this bit they never put it out I phisical version mega gutted
Loved the book