CONSCIOUSNESS - A conversation with Deepak Chopra and Stuart Hameroff
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Description: Deepak Chopra and Stuart Hameroff take an in-depth dive into the science of consciousness.*
Stuart Hameroff, MD is a physician, Professor of Anesthesiology and Psychology, and Director of the Center for Consciousness Studies at the University of Arizona in Tucson. In medical school, Hameroff became interested in intelligent behavior of microtubules, protein lattices within brain neurons and other living cells. Hameroff developed theories of microtubules as self-organizing molecular computers, and teamed with Sir Roger Penrose on the controversial Penrose-Hameroff "Orch OR" model of consciousness. Based on quantum computing in brain microtubules, Orch OR connects brain activities to the most basic level of the universe -- fundamental spacetime geometry at the Planck scale. At that level, Penrose has proposed Platonic information guiding or influencing conscious choices and perceptions. Orch OR could be seen as providing a plausibility argument for non-locality and spirituality. Hameroff is also involved with clinical trials of transcranial ultrasound (TUS) for mood and cognitive dysfunction, and co-organizes the biennial interdisciplinary conference 'Toward a Science of Consciousness.'
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Wow one of the most thought provoking conversations I've ever heard! Explained so much but brought on so many more questions! Amazing...
There is so much being said in this video! This needs to be taught in schools.
Haha I love deepak he reminds me so much of my dad.
Absolutely amazing. I recognize so much from my own experience in consciousness. I love the way Hameroff explains things in scientific terms and how Chopra translates to both mystical terms and also to usual human experience. I think it is important to always relate these mind-boggling discoveries to the implications for our practical day to day reality. We can't continue to live as if everything is purely material and separate.
This conversation needs a slide-show of visual representations to illustrate what they're saying
Soo truee! Haha would sure help me to understand it beter
+Preliminimal Check out the images from the Orch-OR paper:
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064513001188
ruclips.net/video/ZAVQjMf2fEQ/видео.html
Thank you for this video, giving scientific reasoning to age old truth of Hinduism.what our seers have articulated 5000 years ago.
As a fellow Indian, you make me darn proud Deepak!
The holistic nature of consciousness is a strong argument for Hamerhoff‘s theory. No matter what collapse criterion we use, there must be something that sinchronizes the wavefunction collapse.
This is what I say to those who believe that pure consciousness is a product of the brain (simply because that by tweaking the brain here and there, one can produce out-of-body experiences): Just because you can reproduce something in a laboratory (e.g., out-of-body experience), it doesn't necessarily disqualify the natural experience (e.g., NDE) making it false, in the same way that just because vitamin C can be synthesized in the laboratory doesn't necessarily make natural vitamin C to be false or unreal. If we consider the brain as a receptor of pure consciousness (much like a TV, for example) then tweaking certain parts of the brain can open the doors for consciousness to manifest itself in its full form. As scientists we must be open to all possibilities, especially considering that the study of consciousness is in its embryonic state right now. Actually, to believe that the brain is the seat of consciousness can be likened to the time when people believed that the Earth was the center of the Universe! Therefore, it is imperative that we keep an open mind until proven absolutely wrong. Who knows, we might have a definitive answer to the riddle of consciousness perhaps a few hundred years from now. Until then, we should be open to all possibilities.
+Maurice C. Muller-Quinhoneiro Brain is center of consciousness. And so is Heart. In the body, these two should come into alignment.
+inTubeHD Totally agree! In certain spiritual traditions the heart is considered the seat of consciousness and there is much to be said about that. However, for the sake of simplicity and to avoid instigating abusive remarks by non-believers, let's leave the brain as the main receiver of consciousness for now. That is a lot for some people to swallow already. Peace!
Haha.. lol..r on on FB?
All pure hogwash! Get real and get a brain at your local dispenser!
@@MauriceMuller-Q "let's leave the brain as the main receiver of consciousness for now."
The brain is not the receiver of consciousness! The part of the brain named the reticular formation is a structure of the brain in the brain stem and is largely the "producer" of consciousness. Extirpate this structure and the individual is comatose! No need for woo woo; it's neuro-biology!
Sir Chopra to me you are a genius, thank you!!!
Good lord. It's the Emperor's new clothes all over again. He's not a "genius" he's an intellectual leech who feeds people horrible misinformation to his own wallets agenda.
Thanks Deepak, I really hope we can bring the best scientists we've got to debate the skeptics. It's a necessary and constructive debate.
We created the big bang, and the big bang created us. It's a circle. I Am created us, and we created I Am.
Amazing conversation. What joy it is to experience. The "hard question" to me is about our awakening...from the walk as a zombie, unaware, lacking objective conscience...and the job of life in the awakening. This perceived life I've been blessed with has had subtle and dramatic leaps. Conversations like this take me just a bit further. Thanks guys.
Well, the fastest supercomputer today computates about 120.000 TFLOPS..so those microtubules are "working" at a rate about 1 Quadrillion (10 to the power of 15) faster than this supercomputer..that´s simply awesome...
Hameroff´s claims are life-changing, specially from 10:00 --the scientific support to "after death" is mind boggling. Speculative but science-based.
Thanks for sharing. It is best understood if viewed at 0.75 speed reproduction and with subtitles.
Brilliant work deepak sir, we expect a scientific explanation of Advaita Vedanta from you.
One of the best discussions on consciousness I've seen in a while...very good point about consciousness being different from the normal brain functions, and that one can work without the other...because a lot of people think that consciousness IS the brain, but it's so much more.
Grateful for Hameroff because as much as I have learned from Dennet, he seems to be missing something of the utmost importance. I think Dennet is ultimately full of it.
Gravity always causes collapse of wavefunctions. We just don't take that possibility seriously enough because it's too weak to measure, yet we cannot rule it out as a decoherence mechanism.
We are not human beings having a spiritual experience, We are spiritual beings having a human experience.
HardRockMiner you are right as upanisad describe tat tyam asi (that thou art). You are that pure Consciousness(drasta)/ witness consciousness having worldly experience. You are different from what is seen or content of your consciousness.
I think we are the universe experiencing a person.....................
The coolest part, in my opinion, is when Hameroff said that we exist right on the edge of the quantum and classical worlds. Mind sufficiently blown.
Just so nice that some people can Think! To agree or not, isn't the point. The thinking process is what is missing from many lives.
Turn the TV off more often and the thinking ON.
I heard it said that we only use 5% of the brain, to which I disagree. I say we use 100% of the brain but only 5% of the time. The crazy world we have, is in an Hypnotic state.
33:00 beautiful explanation of the Bardo states from a scientific perspective. Great talk. Deepak is such a great interviewer.
i love u deepak
This being Dr. Hameroff is a heavyweight .......he is very capable of putting this kind of wisdom and information into a form that is understandable / perceptible at the level that a normal science major in college can process.... how great would it have been to be able to have this person as a professor in undergrad classes.
I can attest to Dr. Hammeroff's description of how a person involved in a perceived life-threatening event (in my case, spinning across 5 lanes of early morning traffic on the 405 Freeway, after dropping off my written final exam paper at UCLA; it had been drizzling, the road was wet, and I was driving too fast for the conditions when a mini van suddenly applied it's brakes). Time seemed to slow down, the radio sound was garbled like it was slowed down, my awareness/consciousness was moving faster than the external world around me.
Deepak is doing a very good job at making these relations. I'm very glad that he is stepping out to understand quantum physics to this extent. One time during meditation I've been able to step out into a different plane. So I can imagine that a Buddhist monk that are well practiced in meditation could have achieved these plans on a regular basis. This would have gave them the opportunity to explore these plans well before science was able too.
The way that I understand Penrose's ideas is that as the universe continues to expand for a very long time (trillions of years) and as it expands the black holes all evaporate, and the remaining particles are only photons (light) .At light speed there is no space or time and the universe becomes a singularity, the starting point of the big bang.
What an amazing discussion. We are connected. And I, yes, it is "God" or whatever name you want to give "Cosmic wisdom-Divine" Thank you for this discussion!
Top of science and philosophy, Hameroff and Penrose (Nobel price of physics 2020 ) . They are so powerful together , together with Indian mythologie, tremendous!
One of the very most illuminating discussions I have ever seen on the subject of consciousness!
Fascinating discussion. The possiblities of what we are really experiencing when we allow ourselves to go into deeeper consciousness is quite intriquing!!
THESE GUYS ROCK!!
I just thought of the Tibetan Book of the Dead when these gentlemen began speaking of "disembodied consciousness" and possible rebirth. When Stuart spoke of the essence of the rose's pinkness and smell being rooted in Planck scale geometry, I immediately thought of Plato's Forms or Ideas.
If what Stuart is saying will be proved to be right, then he's just explained the moment when aware beings are born. I.e. when there's a moment of collapse in the mass of proto-consciousness.
No one of us ever can experience consciousness but we consciousness can experience everything
having trouble understanding quantum entanglement...fascinating theory. Also i think and like you say Dr.Deepak the consciousness is everywhere,and time is non-linear which we can exit and re-enter into could explain how fish swim away in anticipation from a diver or a person having a premonition or clairvoyance for example. Great topic.. i majored in math many yrs ago and am now fascinated by spirit today too
Deepak and Stuart....the ultimate Bromance!!!
For over 4 minutes he kept talking without looking at Deepak.. the consciousness was some where else
This is AMAZING!!
Omg they are so cute with permanent smiles on their faces, they are free :)
I am a 33 experiencer I have been seeing it for months now. Is there a reason why this ends at 33 minutes and I watched the whole thing and wasn't aware until it finished lol. I understand completely what they are both saying. Its hard to implement this way of view in society though because people are so ignorant
+Novae Terrae The majority of people, on a certain level, do not even know that they are "alive".
One can be alive. But one can be ALIVE! (imagine a burst of extroverted arm action)
I totally understand what these guys are saying as well. The truth is not concealable forever, eh? Especially considering that the proto-consciousness has started the accelerating process of interconnectedness and transparency, allowing us to propel our evolution immensely.
Interestingly, one can experience that proto-consciousness, very simply, within their subjective experience, if one pays close attention. Why hasn't Chopra talked to Hameroff about the method of simply experiencing the nothingness awareness by being aware of the thinker of thoughts, the "thing" which is there beyond thought, deeper than thought, behind thought.
This is remarkable stuff eh, we need to create a space for this stuff to proliferate! More organizations that can promote this stuff, the better!
How about ALivE? And sometimes I feel aliVe.
Consciousness still remains a mystery that goes beyond our understanding. There is no science that can explain it.
***** Maybe in a few centuries we will know more about the world and us. At this stage science doesn't answer fundamental questions.
My near death experience supports the continuation of consciousness. In addition, there was a brief period of time where a gap occurred between my consciousness "seeing" my body and my clinical death. Very interesting research.
I have always intuited that science and religion are only at odds in terms of being highly disparate languages for describing the same phenomenon - I don't identify as a religious person at all, but certainly, I possess religious mind. I happen to call my religion "science".
I am not sure what you mean by science however if you are referring to the 'scientific method' - no they are not the same, it may be worthwhile reading up on the scientific method.
Deepak , physicist TOM CAMPBELL. elegantly and scientifically explains that the reality is virtual and copiousness fundamental. All weirdness of quantum physics and the 'hard problem are easily explained.
Love. These. Techy. Conversation. Science. And. The. Spiritual. 🍓
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I made the same theory in my head. I called it Frames of reality.
Mind blowingly refreshing, Stuart & Deepak. Top notch. Thanks
Soooo AWesome!! So happy to be alive!
The beauty of Penrose-Hameroff's theory is that it's probably the only theory that's fully 'materialist' (Physical) and at the mean time is fully 'idealistic' (Platonic) and yet is NOT dualistic.
oh my goodness...well, i listened intently and probably was able to comprehend maybe 1%...which made me wonder if i am conscious at all...probably a good thing...with gratitude and love
That was extraordinary and very enlightening. Thank you Deepak.... and Mr. Hameroff!
Hameroff gave reasonable explanations for inner connectedness (quantum entanglement), cosmic wisdom (stemming from the physics of Planck time), although he made a reach for the afterlife. Even if we ceded him that final argument, Deepak made a leap to call it God, which means such a variety of things to people, and in America at least is this ridiculously personal one that helps sports teams win, is against gay marriage, and causes/prevents world events.
I agree with regards to Dawkins and Shermer, to me they prove the fact that there are several lines of psychological development and that no matter how many higher education degrees that one has earned, that has absolutely "nothing" to do with "wisdom."
Revolving into redundant , deepak got the master hammeroff , thank you
But the neat thing is that both are "recreating" that rose from different perspectives
Also interesting is when Deepak said - From nothingness, we came; from nothingness, we return.
I believe that my personal consciousness is as likely to extend beyond the death of my material body, as is the personal consciousness of an alligator.
Non-locality implies that due to this chance rendezvous, the two particles will instantaneously react to one another's change in quantum properties (automatically), no matter how great the local or cosmic distance between them. I don't know if this is of any help. But, for what it's worth!
Mr. Hameroff I think deprived us as well as himself of getting as much of this divine mans gift of sharing a understanding of consciousness that few in this world can actually express in words.
9:02,, The big bang was that moment in a frequency that determines it
Conflating Quackery³.
I don’t understand why people hate Deepk chopra so much,
calling him a “charlatan”, as if he’s constantly and purposefully telling lies in order to get
your money. True, I’ve heard that Deepak was known to have a temper and to mistreat
some of his employees, that’s where his reputation as a charlatan began and it
lives on until today, but this was back in the early 90’s! People change with
age, at least most people do, especially those who practice meditation with the
objective of spiritually improving themselves, which I am sure Deepak does. I am
absolutely sure that Deepak did grow too, but to continuously and blindly call
him a charlatan with no sound proof of any wrong doing on his part is not only
mean, but pure ignorance.
way more than that. He talks of consciousness as if he's an expert (he's not), he talks of physics as if he's an expert (he's not). He makes up complete bullshit to sell oprah idiots books. No one in the scientific community with integrity gives him respect. Check out his many videos where he gets his ass continually handed to him. he's a piece of conscious shit.
Because they’re jealous that they never got to the point of having enough courage to bring their gifts and talents to the world.
He’s a successful and spiritually conscious man.
He couldn’t care less what losers say about him.
The more haters you have, sometimes the more you are hitting a trigger in their own internal fears and inadequacies.
I’m not talking about real corrupt politicians that breed anger and hate at their injustices here.
I’m referring to people who are successful in the way they have influenced humanity and will leave a legacy to the world for an ideal. They have been able to expand their consciousness on a big level.
And most people will never do that so they will resort to project their anger toward themselves to someone else who is living out their dreams.
It's because he does nothing but make claims without any evidence. a "Charlatan" is someone who sells baloney. and Chopra is in the Baloney bussiness.
At school we thought we understood the model of an atom. Turns out is mostly empty space, information in plankt scale geometry. Same with neurons. We don't yet completely grasp quantum effects that occur in the cells microtubules, but promising breakthroughs in science recently in the area of consciousness studies suggests we are making a jump forward in cosmology. Don't get hung up on the linguistics. Keep an open mind.
My understanding is: Our consciousness is our immortal self. As perceived by quantum physics, the physical material reality is a kind of illusion. Nothing is really solid. In the quantum level, all matters are made of atoms which are basically particles of energy vibrating in certain frequencies. Our bodies are not solid in the strictest sense of the word. Solidity is merely an illusion. What is real may be only consciousness manifesting itself like an energy in the quantum level. Consciousness may be viewed as the all pervading reality of the cosmos that exist like a medium as a whole but broken into infinite realms. We are part of that reality and manifesting in this physical realm. What makes this physical realm is its distinct vibrational frequency.
Excellent comment, thank you.
Guys, al magallanes has it in a nutshell.... bravo! :))
You said more that is clear and understandable than the speakers. But I'm saddened that the universities are getting grants which seem mostly to shore up materialism, which has caused all of the wars and problems of the world. We finally get a hard science which has proven that "there is NO MATTER as such" (Max Planck) and that OUR thoughts or observations create our reality, and it appears "science" can't deal with it but instead give all sorts of confusing theories that are all attached to matter. We need scientists who are unafraid of criticism and question, if we are not made of matter, what are we? If we are creating our reality, we need proof and there are people and scientists proving there's healing going on by simply knowing the Truth of our non material nature, which really could set us free, and be that Quantum Leap humanity has needed for thousands of years. But I love both of these men as they seem to be sincere seekers of the Truth.
as an artist i started drawing this when i first put my pencil to paper . i like words too.
The answer is that consciousness is not in the "mind", consciousness is located in the heart
What I am about to quote is not so much as authority, but simply an anecdote: "if you think you understand quantum mechanics you don't understand quantum mechanics (Feynman)".
I have never (no exaggeration) heard of a physicist try to apply quantum mechanics to consciousness. I truly believe people just exercise wishful thinking to somehow (example) rescue free will.
I am almost paralyzed by my refuse to say what I know- people should be highly skeptical of ideas that are especially appealing.
I think the truth is coming out. God does exist, God is this ocean of consciousness that gives life to the various universes it has created. Our God is a creative God.
Philosophers and the religious have puzzled over conciousness for centuries and yet the debate continues...
what do you think then?
The hard problem of consciousness has been solved a few years ago in a very elegant way. We are elastic holistic holograms embedded into our brains. And our Universe is also a hologram embedded into the higher dimensional space. We are living in the multidimensional holographic world. This is the only possible solution.
What you described in no way "solves" the hard problem of consciousness. How does a hologram in our brain or in higher dimensions result in our inner self-aware experience of qualia? The hard problem of consciousness goes away only when one realizes that consciousness is fundamental, and that everything else are merely objects within consciousness. These objects include, of course, brains, holograms, and higher dimensions (and space itself, for that matter).
And cause and effect is only possible if there is a ground state of causelessness which is consciousness.
Consciousness is the field of potential that the universe is expanding into, the field of potential that time exists in. And if it were not, nothing would exist. And i feel that our only purpose, the only purpose, is to experience this.
Thank you so very much for your mindful teachings ~
Thanks for the enlightenment!Namaste
i have been watching physics and actually astrophysics ..it all comes together ..
It doesn't really matter where consciousness comes from.
It only matters that you are.
...where as empirical, (the platform of scientific reality) can be defined as a common observation from a specific grouping within the overall group consciousness. As Deepak states, "there is no yellow@...but empirical evidence is 'yellow' to the scientific observers.
This is why individual epiphanies within the scientific fraternity, are usually met with hostility/denial. The "group consciousness" also aims for homeostasis, the very essence of which, fuels the"individual" need for truth.
Deepaks smile at 26:20 is a shared quantum smile :)
Deepak Chopra mystical woo woo 🤣🤣🤣
truly informative & great teaching
Anyone notice how it's the Skeptics that are resorting to calling names in the comments. Wonder why that is. Hmm....
No sabes hablar SIN INSULTAR...... TE DELATAS TÚ MISMO....... "NO TIENES ARGUMENTO RACIONAL ALGUNO".
I have noticed a number of people have figured out how to ask questions which can't be answered while using blaming tones or terms. This effectively spreads the conflicted statements into the aggregate where they are spread further.
"Stupidity", for example, is a blaming term. If we were to remove the blaming term, we are left with: "Is this going out its way to present itself as intelligence?" This question is hardly more answerable than the first one, but at least one can start to see it's a bad question to ask to begin with.
The correct term for them is "pseudo-skeptics". Real skeptics would not behave so ignorantly. Azazel is a good example of a pesudo-skeptic. He can't help but resort to profanity because he's been so severely programmed by scientific materialism, that he feels he must curse all non-conformists to his doctrine.
The steady state theory has been totally refuted. We now know the universe is finite and came into existence a finite time ago.
some of this is a lot of learnign but its also nice to know as well
It's really sad that scientific materialism and skepticism has produced its own doctrine to defend its own belief systems with a preconceived bias that has now next to religion become one of humanity's greatest barriers to a greater truth
Well Said.
Much respect to Roger Penrose.
Consciousness can obtain energy and information from far off locations, using osmosis, the chakra system, sympathetic awareness, and remote viewing capabilities. It can open dimensional energy niches and experience those realities. It can physically project to anywhere and anytime. It can speed up or slow down the unfolding of time. Consciousness can experience unity, instantaneous interconnection and communication. It can build anything feasible. It can direct energy along self determined paths. It can interact with other conscious agents at a distance or in close proximity. Consciousness does not originate completely from our Universe, it comes from a reality beyond it (it is thus partially alien).
The consciousness uses the braIn... it is not the brain
Of course.. the brain is the physical structure, just like a processor in a computer. The consciousness is the running programs if you will.
John Doe Interesting analogy, but I prefer the television one more. Our bodies are like television screens, configured to receive information from an outside source. Once the television is destroyed, the information it was receiving still exists, out in the air.
alternate241
Well an old TV is a pretty passive device compared to a powerful computer.
Of course the computer would also have several inputs (a camera for visible light, thermometers ... ).
I agree that if you destroy it, the outside information will still exist. Everything else would be solipsism.
I love this theory so much, I wholeheartedly believe the universe is a super computer. This also why l think the hunt to build AI is waste of time lol. Its incredible hubris of us to think will ever be able to tap into such power. Nature is allowing us the grace this is as good as it will get.
Deepaks ground state theory is also something l love, its like ram ready to be reused.
Thank you for this reminder from a 2013 discussion..bravo!
15:18 "If consciousness is actually a quantum effect, quantum requires very little/almost no energy. Ambient heat from room temperature can drive it ..." Could this be why the temperature is said to drop when ghosts or disembodied spirits are around, i.e. they are utilising thermal energy in some way?
Conscious awareness happening slow motion (slows down in accident to preserve life to save life) can this slow down be the answer to greater awareness . We seem to talk quickly act quick yet that- slow down -that happens to so many humans in curtain states is similar to a slow motion movie with less gravity... NDE floating above body (no gravity or levitation) similar to the slow down ... just thoughts that came during your fabulous discussion . Quantum no energy disembodied perception holograph in all bits ..... brilliant genius
let's say i was under for 13 hours i came thru and can walk but i feel changed.... and we are changed each moment ..i am .
The existence of unicorns is well explained too. It is possible! Seriously guys- no joke.
There is a sage in Iowa that explains everything very easy...........He is very easy to talk to ask him any question, he calibrates everything you ask him........there is a field where everything is, just look him up his name is Robert Smalley, just Google his name and good luck.
the present reality of existence is actually the watcher of both reality and mind. its actually the present reality that sees itself
Anyone in this day and age who still thinks brain produces consciousness is frankly closed-minded and indoctrinated by the materialist concept. Consciousness is so much more than a computational effect and evidence is mounting for this.
The "whole within the part" may merely be an aspect of the Universe, not necessarily implying that the Universe is an actual hologram.
thank you
Thanks for sharing
Great video by the way thank you so much