We Accidentally Create Iron Fist in D&D Monk Paladin Character Build
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Did We Accidentally Create Iron Fist in D&D Monk Paladin Character Build
This character build is inspired by Marvel Comic books Iron Fist Danny Rand. Not really trying to recreate that character, but I do believe watching the Netflix trailers have inspired me. So we delve into the players hand book to build our paladin monk combo that I am affectionately referring to as the Ponk D&D character build.
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Oathbreaker Paladin with Sun Soul monk was my version. 11 levels of paladin with 9 levels of monk. He was a fallen paladin and sought monkhood as a path to redemption
For Paladin turned Monk, Vengeance and Tranquility would fit together in RP. Character started as a Paladin because they were seeking vengeance for personal reasons(murder of a loved one for example). Talk to the DM and around the level you want to start taking monk levels have you find and kill the person who you were seeking vengeance against.
Finding your goal reached but the emptiness in your heart still there, you look for another way. As time goes by and you find peace you begin to look at the world with fresh eyes and see that you gain new understanding of your oath. At this point you bring the abilities together and set out to right wrongs and protect the innocent.
Make him a paladin of a goodly God. His order serves under the direction of a greedy religious leader. He casts off his affiliation with the corrupt heretic, but continues to serve his god. He starts his own sect of truly faithful paladins who must take a vow of poverty. They are trained to fight for good without the interference of weapons or armor. Just a devout soldier and his divine might.
Badass back story with a built in nemesis, rival faction, political intrigue, and quest line.
As a dm I love the flavor you've gotten going here hope someone brings it to my table someday
I must agree with Dave, mountain dwarf is always the correct answer.
One way I see a paladin becoming a monk is a vengeance paladin fulfilling his oath, then committing to enlightenment. It could be done in a story arc up to a level 8-9.
Also I would allow a Four Elements monk to use their 'Disciple of elements' for smites.
I really appreciate Dave for correcting himself and pronouncing WotC properly. You have earned back some respect. I love your guys channel and content. You put a lot of thought into your videos and it shows. You guys care about the community and that shows through when you do things like catching yourself. Keep growing guys, you're awesome!
Monk 7 or 8 for evasion with maybe 8 for the feat, lvl 2 paladin for smite, 10 or 11 levels divine soul sorcerer for holy weapon and/or bonus action fireballs
(Holy weapon spell)
the UA Oathless Paladin sounds more of a fallen Paladin than the DMG one
@JG R shhhhhhh
"Monks are the most humble"
Druid: Am I a joke to you?
Why wouldnt you just take 11 levels in paladin to get the improved smite? 1d8 for every hit is pretty good as well as constant glowing fists. (If the DM allows for smiting with fists)
although fists are not weapons, you do make a melee weapon attack roll with them which is the requirement to use smite
@@cykonetic My Paladin/Sorcerer build is built for smiting with fists. Grabbed up to 11 levels in Heroic Paladin just for the smites, for fighting style I went Unarmed Fighting from the Unearthed Arcana, grabbed a level of Fighter for Mariner to keep him mobile and went Giant Soul Sorcerer the rest of the way for more spell slots, giving him more opportunities to smite.
This is an awesome character concept.
Grave Domain Cleric/Monk. The Fist is Channel Divinity Holy Weapon cast on Monk Fists or Knuckles if you don't wanna call fists a weapon.
I definitely wanna try this out
oath of ancients also could work, give how they are about guarding the light in the world, and they're lv 7 ability to give resistance vs spells is rrally powerful as well
Quick breakdown of the racial options Nerdarchy mentioned: Mountain Dwarf - not too bad. With 12+2 15 12+2 8 13 13 we're technically good to go, but with lots of uneven stats. Vanilla Human: 12+1 15+1 13+1 8+1 13+1 12+1 give us a decent base if low on racial features. Variant Human with a "+1 to a stat" feat can start with something like 13 15+1 11+1 8 13+1 13 (resilient con) otherwise the hill is gonna be steep. Half-Elf - 13 15+1 12 8 13+1 12+2 is doable though I wish we had more Con. Wood Elf - 13 14+2 13 8 13+1 13 isn't bad, it's even decent. Races that were not mentioned but can serve the build: Tortle 14+2 14 12 8 12+1 13 is the case where one can go Str Monk and even grapple quite effectively. Dragonborn 10+2 15 14 8 13 12+1 gives a palatable setup provided we bump Str eventually. We also qualify for Dragon Hide. Triton 12+1 15 13+1 8 13 12+1 just barely passes and allows for some fun amphibian shenanigans. Finally I'd like to put Half-Orc and Ghostwise Halfling up for consideration - the former grants us access to beefier criticals and Relentless Endurance (11+2 15 13+1 8 13 13 passes our multi requirements) the latter grants us Lucky and 30 ft of Telepathy (and 13 14+2 13 8 13+1 13 is a pass).
Keep in mind that we don't necessarily have to satisfy multiclassing conditions at level 1.
Incidentally it would be possible to dip Draconic Sorcerer at some point since it would allow for Dex prioritization. I'd even say it could be interesting, RP-wise, to play something like Draconic Sorc 1/Monk X. 13 cha alone is a lot easier to satisfy compared to Str and Cha 13. For instance, you may go Variant Human, start with 9 15+1 14 8 13+1 13 and take Mobile or whatever rocks your boat.
Perfect example of how to work with a player to help them develop the character that they want to be.
Mountain dwarves ARE awesome! lol. If I'm building a fighter type PC, it's hard not to keep dipping in that well.
I was not aware there was a playable race other than Mt dwarf lol
I'm still amazed there are non barbarian classes.
@@mongolifepawn842 what are you talking about? This is fifth edition Bard simulator?
I like the idea of the "ponk", but I feel that it's slightly inaccurate. If I had to make Iron Fist as D&D character, I would say that monk/draconic bloodline sorceror would be a more direct adaptation due to the explicitly draconic origin of Iron Fist's powers. Flavoring spells like Shocking Grasp or Burning Hands to do radiant or force damage could solidify the build, assuming DM cooperation. The build still suffers from MAD, but it would be interesting to try out.
Derek Pope it could also be named "Maladonk" just saying.
what about now with the new draconic monk?
Probably not checking this vid anymore I still wanna say this was soooo helpful... I keep watching it as I im in a game I just started on roll 20 they gave me ten levels to catch up to everyone else this Video saved me lol I went "Asimar Paladin oath of vengeance/Monk Kensei 5/5 split so far... I probably could have min-maxed could have on stuff or done better probably, but I was using his story to build him really... One encounter my first... really in 5e... Ouch damage is heavy on this guy and he's squishy when he gets hit lol but but I can dish out the damage hunters mark and than smite next round Hunters mark is still going and i can flurry of blows this time and smite one of the flurry is usually a stun attack... I think that's my go for two rounds at least that is how i remember it... thank you so much...
Happy to be of service!
-Nerdarchist Dave
I'd go standard human with 14s in all but Int (which gets an 11). Keeping the build at level 10, taking 5 level of Vengeance Pally and 5 levels Open Hand Monk. Use the 2 ASI to boost Dex and Wis up to 16s. Now you have a respectable AC of 16, Extra Attack, D6 fists, pool of 25hp Lay on Hands (Mr. Miagi style), four 1st level and two 2nd level slots for Smites... which you try and save for when you crit (more likely with your vow of enmity), you can Stunning Strike and do all the great Open Hand Techniques with your flurry. This is how I would build it and seems pretty awesome! The only thing I think is wasted is the fighting style (which I don't think works with unarmed).
Daniel Powell I was kind of thinking along those lines.
Nerdarchist Dave
Take the time to cast Hunter's Mark in the first round and add an extra d6 to each strike thereafter. With Extra Attack and Flurry you could do 8d6 plus four lots of dex mods per round. While your ki lasts.
Imagine a crit on just one of those punches! 2d6 for the attack, 2d6 for the Hunter's Mark and 6d8 if you tack on a 2nd level smite...plus dex!
take mariner fighting style, duh stacks with monk ac. Its useable by pally
Oath of redemption and way of the sun soul. This could be for a palamonk who fell and wants to redeem himself, but doesn't like to fight.
1:45 Ted becomes the Oprah of butt-kickings!!
13:44 is why he should definitely be a noble. I love it!
I'm okay with a Daniel Rand character have Intelligence as the dump stat. He was away in Kun-Lun for a decade (15 years according to the Netflix series) so he wouldn't be aware of modern technology.
I like the extra smiting, but I'd rather have the more consistent unarmed damage of the monk. Plus, Iron Fist was only able to use his smoldering fist once per day for decades. It was more of a coup de grace until he joined the Avengers and needed to be more powerful to keep up with the rest of the team.
I will now have to make this character.
if you really wanted to do Iron Fist would the monk paladin worship Bahamut?
Cm Mosher now this is an idea I can get behind!
Excellent for theme. Nice.
I read the title as ironskin monk for some reason. Good video.
the monk paladin works well thematically, monks can be part of a temple that worships a god
David harris And their monastic traditions could be based off oaths.
Right the redemption story presented is okay for a character but it is entirely possible for a character to be entirely commited to a god or a temple
David harris I totally agree. This is just where my inspiration took me.
Nerdarchist Dave
it is a good character story, lots for a GM to use for plot points.
started coming up with backstory for a fantasy setting. Second or third son of nobility, (old noble tradition, first son is heir, second sent in service to the king or immediate superior noble, third goes to priesthood, paladin is a good mix of 2&3) sent off to train with the order at a young age he returns after completing his training to see his family before setting off on his first assignment.
On his way to his home he see's the squaller and degradation of the people on his family's land (possibly seeing some of his family's guardsmen beating a townsmen (your choice for man woman or child) for refusing to work.
On confronting his father all his father says is," where did you think the money came from for your training and armor?"
Aghast he leaves immediately casting aside his mace and armor as he walks through the village and into the night, never to return.
this allows you to explain your refusal to wear armor while also sidestepping those pesky rules for losing the favor of your god. Plus it adds some potential conflict you dm might incorporate into the story, when you run into your pompous older brother in the kings service.
Why have to switch gods? You simply changed orders within the same god's church...
You can use way of the astral self now and your astral arms count as monk weapons so you should be able to smite with them without the need for an actual weapon.
@nerdarchy if you see my comment maybe you could visit this idea?
In order to multiclass with paladin though, you need Strength AND charisma at 13
I would personally go 11 paladin/ 9 monk because that would give you the extra 1d8 radiant to all of your attacks. you would also get immunity to fear and if you went devotion paladin like I would for this build you'd get immunity to being charmed. Your martial art's die would be a d6, but the amount of dice you would be throwing per attack would be higher without using any of those smites.
That is one thing that I have always disliked about the rules. Making it dependant on class level instead of just levels.
Especially when it comes to multi-classing.
Roll on gentlemen.
You will be a sorcerer... a sorcerer of FISTS!
Oath of vengeance against a clan of shadow hand monks...
Dragonborn has it's own armor in it's scales, so if you're looking for that extra bit, that's a good way to go about it.
I was thinking of a similar concept but Goliath, 1 level of UA Stone Sorcerer, the rest Monk. Make him a strength based Grappler build and use Booming Blade or Green Flame Blade for his punches.
A couple of things: 1) What if your deity were someone like Ilmater from Forgotten Realms? You might want to be a more healy monk or just determined to soak up as much of the world's pain as you can (Monk of the Long Death? Lots of temporary HP to help you soak in the world's evil)
2) The noble background still works for a monk minded build in that sure after his Paladin training, he just didn't feel that he was being devoted enough and so sought out unarmed combat instructors to teach him. He definitely has the money especially after selling off his armor and weapons. Think Bruce Wayne or even Elektra Natchios from the movie, her father didn't want her to be a victim so he paid the best martial artists to teach her combat.
Monk/Paladin in Pathfinder was just obscene. the saving throws go off the charts.
It kills me that he pronounces ki like KAI when it's like KEE
Me too. Take the time to learn it. Say it right.
Rant over.
"Starting at 2nd Level, when you hit a creature with a melee WEAPON Attack, you can expend one spell slot to deal radiant damage to the target, in addition to the weapon's damage. The extra damage is 2d8 for a 1st-level spell slot, plus 1d8 for each Spell Level higher than 1st, to a maximum of 5d8. The damage increases by 1d8 if the target is an Undead or a fiend." Goodbye Iron Fist.
At least the Sage Advice Compendium includes this nugget: "If a DM decides to override this rule, no imbalance is created. Tying Divine Smite to weapons was a thematic choice on our part-paladins being traditionally associated with weapons. It was not a game balance choice." It's certainly fun for us to override this rule!
@@Nerdarchy wow, back in the game, then! Thank you, I will think about it!
@@Nerdarchy Also, how many rules did they make as flavor that could fit this description? Your answer blew my mind.
Aasimar is almost tailor made for this. I used one for my Monk/Warlock jedi character
trequor how did you do It?? I was thinking of using an aasimar Monk for my Next Game but your idea sounds like a lot of fun
I think celestial warlock with a pact weapon fist (if your DM lets you) would fit this a bit better. It would let you have to "summon the iron fist" and gives you situations where you wouldn't be able to summon it (e.g. it goes against your code, or you've done something to upset your diety).
Sai Sahan in Elder Scrolls Online gives me that Desert style Paladin/Monk (with a two hander though)
Watching this at 1 am and sacred flame monk PrC from 3.5s Complete Divine comes to mind. Guys, do a prestige class conversion video. Sacred flame could be a monk or pally subclass. Why not both? Stay nerdy, fellas.
could you please do samurai jack next? due being so close to the reboot show.
Roberto Rios Sure can. We really didn't set out to create any specific characters in this vid. It just kind of happened.
Nerdarchist Dave
Any idea how to make a naruto ninja, or ryu hayabusa from ninja gaiden
Depending on the ninja from naruto?elements ninjas for flavor and tyu would likely be kensei with the new monk sub branching class flavors. Ain't there are 7 in total monk traditions?
For Naruto ninja, doing a combination of Way of Shadow monk and Circle of the Land druid will get you to where you want to be. But if you are looking to make specific Naruto characters, that is when things can get tricky.
I would assume monk and fighter hybrid? long sword for the katana can catch arrows has insane movement human variant mobile as many attacks per turn as possible hmm maybe even Ranger hunter 11 for whirlwind attack would make more sense with the other bonuses from hunter with the horde breaker so maybe 11 Ranger hunter 9 monk for the movement speed bonus, unarmed bonus and monastic tradition? or even rogue assassin for expertise and better overall damage if you get the jump cause jack gets the jump and had an ally every now and then? definently need that Ranger Hunter in the build though with whirlwind attack and horde breaker, after that not sure what else cause you could go fighter if you wanted more fighting styles which I would recommend as well as going into battle master to disarm and trip and parry stuff it fits thematically to samurai jack.
With One DnD this could be modified a bit in terms what levels you go...definitely need 6 lvl of Paladin for the sweet sweet bonus on SAVES.
I think it’s fine to have strength as a dump stat actually, just because it is possible to play a dex paladin, rapier and a buckler and studded leather armour or half plate,
With the new UA adding an unarmed fighting style I'm planning on making a drunken brawler type paladin who only punches
Glowing Fists? Sounds like you'll want Sun Soul Monk with that.
Great idea, though by RAW the build is Multiple Abilities scores Dependant, and even if your GM allows multiclassing to and from Paladin with 13 dex instead of str, that's still three stats instead of two plus a decent Con would be ideal. Now, low level builds are doable imho (Pal 3/Monk 2, Pal 2/Monk 3 or even just Pal 1 for the proficiencies and Divine Sense) but higher levels are indeed where the money's at.
My version of Paladin/Monk is kinda weird, but i picked Halfling Lightfoot. Started as a sailor, his goddess is of the Sea and he wasn't in a setting where Heavy armors were common. I envisioned a sacred warrior more than a traditional western European knight. As for the monk part, i took it on land and with the same dedication to perfect his way of defending the cult dogma. All in all, it's an incredible character to play, and i did it despite a lot of negative reviews. Maybe it's not an optimal build but it's such a fun character.
Kensai or Open Handed are both cool. I will not go over the Oath level, considering the setting, doing so will just make him fell to the darkside, but will pursue Monk all the way thereafter. Vengeance seems more efficient, but i think Devotion or Redemption would be the way to go.
I really think having a sincere approach to the game with any character build works better than a mechanical beast. At least from a role-playing perspective. But if people play tactical board all day, well good for them and there's really nothing to add :)
Reminds me of my favorite 3.5 character, halfling monk paladin...never really thought of trying to reconstruct.
Would you guys do a class vid on how to make Prince of Persia?
I was thinking a mix of Kensei/Champion with dual Scimitars. Variant human or Air Genasi for a more Djinn/Genie vibe.
Wouldn't you need a 13 in strength to multiclass to paladin?
aerodozz Yes you would.
Nerdarchist Dave
Yes you would, but not to multiclass into a monk ;)
Think you need to meet the multiclass prerequisites of both Paladin and Monk, so 13s in Str, Cha, Dex and Wis. Doable with standard human. Check out my build in the comments.
Miklos Mihok actually you do need 13 str to multiclass
Daniel Powell I actually bring up using the standard human during the vid.
Nerdarchist Dave
What monks really need are a 3rd caster Archetype.
Way of the Jedi Monk [by SpiketailDrake] if Homebrew is allowed would be an interesting option!
Glowing Light Saber instead of Glowing Fists though...
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they do.
Thanks for the idea but give the monk a goal of a solitary of his clan that needs protection or favor a true neutral or a chaotic good God that gives him an oath of the ancients or conquering.
I'm about to start an 8th level Campaign, and the Aforementioned Oath of Vengence/Kensei made me immediately jump to "The Bride" a.k.a. Beatrix Kiddo from Kill Bill.
Paladin 5/ Kensei 3
Criminal Background
She wanted to stop killing when she found out she was pregnant, ran, and was pursued by the order of assassins she used to work with. Culminating in the massacre of a god's temple during her wedding. She's still out to kill all the people who massacred her wedding party/unborn daughter, but after waking from the coma, she decides to make it personal by seeking out the legendary Swordsman who trained her former boss, to slay him at his own game.
This is reallly the Sensei Matt build
Not sure what that is off to the Googles.
Nerdarchist Dave
@@Nerdarchy this link
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If you wanted your "glowing fists" with a little less MAD, a single level in Cleric, Domain of War would get you the Divine Favor spell which adds 1d4 radiant damage to each of your attacks for up to a minute as long as you concentrate on it. Not the handful of d8s a Pally gets, but much more feasible, and still decent synergy with the Monk's many attacks. You'd also be much more sustainable.
Ethan Feil
You could also focus on more spells like guiding bolt or whatever its called
Lvl 7 Paladin, lvl 7 Monk, lvl 6 Sorceror
How would you make rock lee from naruto? He is basically bruce lee + shurikens, who can walk on water and on walls, can make himself much faster and stronger at the cost of his own health, amd is decent enough in stealth to do some espionage... Also, when he drinks alcohol he becomes much harder to hit and gets much better as a fighter...
Drunken Master monk has everything you need for Rock Lee.
Notification Squad! Fun Idea for a build. Personally, If I am avoiding human and dwarf (would be cool) I might go halfling so I could avoid natural 1's for the flurry of attacks generated by monk.
Josh Padro excellent call. Any subrace would help.
Nerdarchist Dave
another option could be putting in 3 levels fighter battle master. with the additional crowd control and superiority dice knocking an enemy prone and really waylaying into them while still controlling the battlefield to some extent. plus the them of using your inner strength to heal yourself a bit, or drawing into additional reserve power and really pelt down an enemy with divine smite, superiority dice, Ki, attacks and even knocking them prone unleashing all of your inner strength and hate. or adding the versatility to your character with using them individually from one moment to the next and practically dancing around a battlefield knowing you can treat every foe differently to better suit your needs as you can see your superior power of inner strength but your inner peace to conduct your foes in the way to best suit what you want. honestly it would be really hard for any NPC to gauge how this character will fight because they can do so much, not to say if this character where to Nova every chance they get that enemies are going to cannon fodder out your Nova before the big baddies come in because they are smart and don't want to be hit with a dozen dice worth of damage within 6 seconds.
I think I want to play this lol but I didn't think you needed to match the multiclass str required if you start as paladin
You need to meet the stat requirements to multiclass into or out of a class. So you can play a wizard with an Int of 8, but you can't multiclass out of the class.
Honestly from what I have seen over the all the characters I've built, I feel like 9 / 11 split is a good bet no matter what classes you're taking. I built Kratos the other day and did a 11 champion fighter and 9 Berserker Barbarian.
If the idea is smiting punches then you would most probably want to go either monk 6, paladin 6, cleric/sorcerer/bard 8 or monk 6, paladin 8, cleric/sorcerer/bard 6. The spell casters is to get a boost to the spell slots as you would end at either 10th or 11th this way, which is about the same as what the paladin gets if it was pure
You could also swap the 8 for a 6 and take 2 levels of warlock and obviously eldritch blast would be like punching out infinite ki blasts ;)
But unfortunately even monk fists do not count as melee weapons so the entire thing doesn't work as paladin divine smite requires a melee weapon attack and monks use melee attacks... Still a nice idea if you can con your DM.
I might have missed it but which monk archetype would it be?
If you're taking a standard array, I think standard human is probably better. It would be 16 15 14 13 12 9, and you need a 13 in strength and charisma, or dexterity and wisdom to multi-class to either. So starting paladin you put your 14 in charisma, 15 in wisdom, 16 in dexterity, 13 (yeah i know its awful) in strength and 12 in con with a 9 int. Build for the monk part since probably the best way to play this is going to be more monk than paladin. as this build you get an ability score increase at level 4 of both classes, and at level 8, and 12. So if you go 9 paladin, and 11 monk, you get 4 ABIs, if you go 6 paladin and 14 monk you get 4 ABIs so it doesn't matter in that regard but you will have to decide what Feats you want. With standard array it will be really hard to be optimized while having good stats, i can foresee wisdom and dexterity being the only 18's and the main feat you get would be Mobile. +2 Dexterity, To get wisdom to at least 18 you have to at some point do a +1 / +1 split between two scores so if you don't like a negative intelligence modifier or you wanna slowly beef up Constitution that's the way to go. Then later on you will put the +2 in wisdom leaving you one ability score increase to get Mobile or Dexterity / Wisdom to 20, I'd take Mobile.
If you're doing the standard 27-point buy then getting 13 in the 4 stats takes 20 points, leaving you with 7 points to do not much with, thus making you pretty much worse off in the long run.
Your best bet is to roll at least 2 16's with 4d6. Ideal level 1 stats i would want as this build would be 16, 16, 14, 14, 13, 10
Pretty above average but it covers your bases. If you do get this array then you could be a Variant Human for Mobile, and beef up Charisma and Dexterity with those +1's. then at level 4 beef them up again each with +1's so that when you hit level 6 paladin your saves will be AMAZING. At that point your scores would look like: 13 STR, 18 DEX, 14 CON, 16 WIS, 10 INT, 16 CHA with at least being level 4 in either class. Moving on up you can choose to get Dexterity to 20, Wisdom to 18, or Charisma to 18, Constitution is incredibly important but this class has too many stat requirements as it stands so having higher than a +1 is amazing. doing the 11/9 split you'll have 9 d10 hit dice and 11 d8 hit dice, and if you roll very well you won't be incredibly squishy while having high unarmored AC.
The only Feat I think is mandatory for this build is Mobile. It's just TOO good to pass up, especially as a Monk of any type. That being said Tough, Resilient, and even Lucky are incredibly beneficial (Tough being my personal go-to, my level 10 (1 life cleric / 9 favored soul sorcerer) with Tough and currently 18 CON has 123 hit points so i'm no slouch, so don't sneeze at the power of 40 additional hit points.
As was mentioned you're better off using a Simple weapon or Shortsword with the Dueling fighting style for this build, but to capture the Iron Fist in you, weapons don't mean shit. That being said you can opt for Archery to have some ranged weapon potential with something like Darts (which are monk weapons) just in case you cannot get up to your enemy for whatever reason, but for Min-Max Dueling is really the only option.
This is all without taking into consideration any magic items you could have that increase your Ability Scores or items like Amulet of Health (which makes your Con 19) etc., nor is it considering any custom item your DM has for you. With non-magical items, and the standard array you're looking at 18 AC, well over 100 hit points on average, 60 base speed, +2 to all saves with Aura of Protection (Paladin, 6th level feature), d8 Monk weapon / martial arts die, level 3 spell access (with the 11/9 split, 14/6 only gets you 2nd level slots) for smites or utility, anywhere between 11 and 14 Ki points. Downside is that if you go Human like i said above, without any items you won't have Dark vision, which is a real pain in the ass 9/10 times, and if you go Variant Human your ability scores would probably be harder to manage. Half-Elf is probably way better for the Standard Array version of the build but in the end it's really up to you as a player.
Did I look too far into this? O_O
there is a fighting style that gives you a d8 if you are not using a shield
Mountain dwarf? Obviously Gnome works the best...
You need a min 13 Str & Cha to multiclass Paladin, and 13 Dex & Wis for monk ... and if you don't want to take a HP hit, Con is a consideration too
Sun Soul monk from the scag manipulates radiant and would fit the theme
I'm arriving late to the party, but with a potential idea I believe could be cool.
Monks are usually portrayed as the wise-men-on-the-mountaintop, but they can also be more Street-Fighter-Kung-Fu-esque.
As far as a 20th level character, what I see potentially being cool is a Dragonborn: 12-level Open Hand Monk, 8-level Frenzy barbarian. They don't need armor: Their skin is the armor. They don't need weapons: they are the weapons. Strength and Con highest scores, followed by Dex.
This means the Monkzerker can Rage (get Str bonus for unarmed strikes). Flurry of blows attack (1 unarmed strike, 2 more as bonus action), and then use the Barb 5th level Extra Attack and do the same thing (a total of 6 attacks, unarmed). And this could be done at level 4 (3 monk, 1 barb).
The Wanderer the most attacks you could get would be is 4. two from extra attack and two from flurry of blows. doesn't matter what level after 7(that assumes 5 barbarian and 2 monk. could be 6 if you do monk 5 barbarian 1.).
frenzy barbarian attack uses a bonus action, and flurry of blows uses a bonus action. you only have one bonus action per turn.
Haha, I have been working on a Sun Soul Monk/Oath of Devotion (or Vengeance) Paladin. Hmm, I was going to go a 14 Monk, 6 Paladin split (or something along those lines) but I kinda like the 11 Monk and 9 Paladin better. Thanks.
ImmortalTimothyM awesome idea. That is totally a street fighter build.
Nerdarchist Dave
Yeah essentially a really Holy Street Fighter along the lines of Ryu's personality. The only problem with the Oath of Devotion is that its Sacred Weapon ability specifies "weapon" and I would want to go completely unarmed.
Brass knuckles?
Should you consider rebuilding this with the XGtE giving Hexblades Smites?
Iron fist build 11 paladin Devotion 9 monk way of the open hand varient human starting stats 8 str 15 dex 12 con 8 int 15 wis 13 cha. +1 cha +1 Wis with your feat either defensive duelist, or duel weilder with +1Dex
Actually, you need a minimum 13 STR, 13 CHA, 13 DEX and 13 WIS to multiclass from Paladin to Monk ... which means the point buy system or a REALLY lucky die roll build are the only viable options ... and point buy would, frankly, create a sub-par character at best.
Hey nerdarchy I had a question about action economy. How if you would go about adding a team action on top of your regular actions? Our team game it can be a bit difficult acting with your allies.
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That's a nice combo.
The problem is the fighting style, duelling does'nt work with unarmed style, defense does'nt work without armor, there is nothing that works really...
Personally, I'd go for radiant monk for this build (you did'nt mention it but I guess you're planning on a vanilla monk).
Radient would be thematic, plus it gives option.
Also, because you don't have a free sun bolt spell attack as a bonus action you would not "miss"a free bonus attack while casting/controlling hunter's mark. You can go hunter's mark +sun bolt, then fire 4 sun bolt using a ki point on the next turn to maximise damage without loosing on the action economie.
The character would also be less one note. With less risk to burn everything on a couple of flurry of smite.
Having two option, sun bolt+hunter's mark and unarmerd smite would allow some flexibility dealing with both minion and bosses...
I'd like to know how this build does because it is an idea that I had and dismiss for lack of class synergie.
I was mostly afraid to have too few smites to be worth the level investissement, well that and the other synergies issue like the wasted fighting style etc... but the concept is so cool that i am really curious.
( And for those that wan't to emulate that feel of mana fist in another way : eldtrich blast + crossbow expert or how to "punch" with 1d10 force damage up to 4 times an action. A great way to make a melee warlock without beeing unfaithfull to the trinity eldrich blast-agonising blast-hex)
Mariner Fighting Style:
As long as you are not wearing heavy armor or using a shield, you have a swimming speed and a climbing speed equal to your normal speed, and you gain a +1 bonus to AC.
That would be an excellent option if the DM is cool with it.
He has to accept UA and that palladin can get this fighting style but if he does'nt care or if you can sell him a good reason why, that seem pretty balanced.
Either Paladin 14/Monk 6 to get 4th level spell slots to max out the smite damage with 5 dice, or Paladin 12/Monk 6/Sorcerer 2 to gain metamagic and thematic arcane magic for a mystical warrior, with maxed out smite damage.
hell yeah..I wanna play a 5e monk bad
This is like Batman Begins!
League of Shadows is the monastery, Ra's al Ghul is the master. Then Bruce leaves them and vows to REDEEM Gotham. He has high tech that allows him to be armored, but not encumbered by it, but really it's fine to always wear armor. Start Paladin, take two to four levels of monk (extra attack at 5 won't stack with Paladin extra attack), then finish Paladin.
Any opinions on the clonk (cleric +monk)?
So a wealthy guy casts off all ties to his wealth and walks the earth to find a monk master to study unarmed combat and spirituality then one day returns to his wealthy life as a changed man. I don't know about iron fist but it is definitely Barman Begins. Vengeance paladin and way of the shadow monk. Perfect.
How about a monk/soulknife/spellfire channeler
Paladin of vengeance that killed the person he was against and didn't know what to do with himself. Or was just about to kill them and decided not to. Then they went monk.
Human Paladin 11/Monk 6 (oath of devotion/open hand) with magical +3 Boxing Irons Of Striking (variant on staff of striking) because why not :)). You can have +13 to hit with unarmed attack. If you stack 9 charges from the boxing irons, 4 spell levels for divine smite, sacred fist, 5 Ki for Flurry of blows and Stunning Strike on all attacks. STR 14,DEX 18, CON 11, INT 9, WIS 18, CHA 14.
If all attacks hit.
3 x 1d6 Blunt + 3d6 Force +3d8 radiant + 9
1 x 1d6 blunt + 3d8 radiant +9.
total damage between 61 and 210 (or 135 average) and the target must make 4 CON saves DC 18 or be stunned until the end of the paladin/monk's next turn.
boxing irons of striking?
Yeah, instead of using a Staff Of Striking (see magical items in the DMG), I turned it into boxing irons. Just a little fantasy of my own.
edh9999 ah that's not a bad idea actually
Build this with a tabaxhi. +2 dexterity.
4 years later, and I'm thinking of making a Punk (Paladin/Monk). For race, I'm thinking Minotaur and for starter class: Paladin Oath of Glory turned Monk Way of Drunken Master (he's seen too much in his years).
Isn't iron fist the one who's dad is fu man chu? I wonder if they'll keep that character in the movie?
Actually, that's Shang Chi.
As stated that's Shang-Chi. But either way Marvel lost the rights to the character years ago. So probably not. But they did change his name in Secret Avengers so there's always that. Personally I would love if they changed his father to Yellow Claw or Golden Claw for the MCU and let us get Jimmy Woo and the Agents of Atlas!
You can't dump strength in this build because of the multiclass into paladin. Need 13 str and 13 cha
Really, Really a 9 paladin 11 monk split. Personally if you was going with smitting i would do 2 Paladin, 10 monk and 8 cleric which will give you more spell slots, and depending on the domain " cough war cough" you will get an extra d8 radiant dmg so a better iron fist look.
I feel like you'd be missing a great flavorful (and mechanical) opportunity by taking dueling fighting style instead of defensive. Helps make up for the fact your unarmored AC will probably be lower due to less points being put into wisdom.
I think dueling requires a melee weapon [not fist] and defensive requires armor [not unarmored defense]...The only [non-UA/non-Homebrew] option for fighting style I see working here is Mariner unless I'm missing something. I guess you need a melee weapon to divine smite anyway so this character concept would require changing the class features of BOTH classes and DM approval.
BrianReisbeck Nope, you're right, I forgot the armor clause. The Monk can use the dueling if he uses a single monk weapon, but it just felt like a poor choice for efficiency.
Can you explain how Dueling works with Monk? Just since your fists are your weapons, then why does dueling work? ALSO what is your preferred multiclass of monk/pally dave? It burns thinking about not getting that diamond soul from level 14 monk, but those level 3 smites hhhnnnnggggg so hard to decide.
You could make all attacks with one hand is the easiest answer
a scourge aasimar sun soul, vengence paladin would this be a good kind of monk paladin and it would be 10:1 monk:paladin, what would be a good way to start this paladin monk combo monk start or paladin start
What if our ponk was betrayed by his order or the higher ups are corrupt in some way and he’s cast out for learning to much or left for dead. So you have a paladin if vengeance who has to find new means of getting stronger to come back and remove the corruption in his order.
I want to build a monk/slash blade dancer. Also I let my dice choose everything. So the dice chose monk, and my race...Dragonborn. But I love thought of having a dual class of blade dancer. I was blessed to get a good roll for ability points. So for a level one character I’m sitting good. Can you help with my request?
Wouldn’t monk/cleric work better and be less MAD?
sun soul monk with at least 2 levels of life cleric, use an asi for the magic initiate feat=druid. whatever works for cantrips, but get goodberry.
you are now krillin, discuss
So an unlucky halfling :D
Age tends to Mello revenge.
Your character can’t smite with his fists cause according to paladin you can smite with a melee weapon attack, and fists count as unarmed not as a melee weapon attack.
Mental, spiritual and physical change happened and in order for him to save (insert here) he had to use questionable methods making the paladin fall. Strips of his armour and turns monk.
Let's you keep elf