Leica 42.5 1.2 Nocticron vs Panasonic Lumix 42.5 1.7
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- Опубликовано: 16 мар 2018
- Leica 42.5 1.2 Nocticron vs Lumix 42.5 1.7
Which lens is best, and which is right for you?
One of the best parts of working in a Micro 4/3's camera format is that there are an abundance of lenses to choose from in a variety of prices points. Two of my favorite lenses at the Leica 42.5 1.2 and the Lumix 42.5 1.7, but for entirely different reasons.
On the surface these two lenses look entirely different, but in terms of clarity they are very much the same. To see how they are different you have to dive a little deeper than what is obvious. When I want to be traveling light I definitely turn to the Lumix 42.5 1.7, and when I need that extra stop of light, or to be a little more precise as pointed out by one of my viewers 3/4 of a stop, I turn to the Leica 42.5 1.2.
There is also a difference in the look of the Bokeh with each of these lenses, and although it's all about personal preference, the Leica is my favorite of the two in that regard. Which ever you choose, I have no doubt you will love the results as both are incredibly sharp.
If budget is no object, I would turn to the Leica for professional product or people work as a photographer or a filmmaker. However, if I am a street or travel photographer I'd probably go with the Lumix version.
Hope this helps bring some clarity to the differences and likeness of these to amazing lenses.
Cheers... Charles
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dude, thank you so much for this... you just helped me make my decision and saved me $1,000. great side by side comparisons and an overall wonderfully informative video! so rad!
You Rock Robb... Thanks for the kind words!
I am surprised that you didn’t mention close focus which I use all the time with portraiture. The 1.7 focuses dramatically closer than the Nocticron. That alone makes it my preference.
Such a great point... 💯
Your review of the two lenses has been the best along with your opinion of what to use where. The difference in cost is so huge that I would go for 1.7 even though I do low light videos a lot. Thanks so much.
Germane Vision 😎 glad you found it helpful.
The Panny 42.5mm 1.7 is a PHENOMENAL lens. I've gotten some of the most amazing portraits with it: pocketable, stabilized, sharp, and with solid bokeh... what more do you want?? The fact you can buy one used for under two hundred bucks blows my mind. Yes, the Nocticron is fantastic, but even its biggest fans would not call it a great VALUE. If you're always shooting in pitch blackness, then maybe the Nocticron is for you. For most everyone else, the Panny 42.5mm is a GEM.
Don't forget about Minimum focus distance.
42.5 1.7 at 31 cm.
42.5 1.2 at 50 cm.
Nice.. good point. Thanks for the added detail.
The voigtländer 42,5 mm/1:0,95 Nokton - Minimum Focus 0,23 m (at 23 cm) ;)
@@roterroggen manual lens isnt a good point for everyone
I own the panasonic 42.5mm 1.7 and I was not disappointed. It's my favorite lens that I use with G7. The videos and pictures are amazing.
it's4RIEL No doubt! Powerfully lens especially for its size.
Excellent comparison, very well done, Thank you. 👍
Cool appreciate the feedback.
Well done, thanks for taking the time to share your experience and information. be blessed ~ Frederick & Jennifer
Thanks for the kindness... Your comment made my day:)
Great review thanks for uploading, I want the 1.2 but think I will save the money and get the 1.7
Oval Banger Videos Thanks.. yeah you can’t go wrong either way.
Excellent comparison, very well done, Thank you. 👍
Think I can get additional gear for the $1000 difference in cost. 😎
Excellent review! Thanks for this, I myself got the 1.7 because it is 1/3 the price of the nocticron, but would get the 1.2 if I was a professional
Thanks for a really helpful comparison of these lenses.
Cool thanks... Glad it was useful
Thank you! You just saved me a lot of money! Great video, perfect explanation!
😎 glad it was helpful 👍
Only difference I can spot is the colors. On the 1.2 the skin tones tend to lean more towards magenta whereas on the 1.7 they tend to be a little green. But that isn't a big at all. Great video. Enjoyed it much.
DXO did a test on the Leica 42.5mm f1.2 and they say the light transmission is 1.7 TStop. They don't have the Panasonic 42.5mm f1.7 tested, but they do have the Olympus 45mm 1.8 and the transmission is 2 TStop. Is it right to conclude that the stops of light advantage are not 1 stop but 1/3 stop, at least between the Leica and the Olympus?
Thanks a lot for that review Charles.
I think I'll go with the Nocticron since although it's quite pricey it nevertheless seems worth every Penny; as you mentioned in another comment :)
Best, Jerry
Cool Jerry... No doubt you will love it.
thank you. the 42,5mm reminds me of the canon classic 50mm 1.8 version. do you think it brings similar image quality (except of the IS of course)? my other question is that if the focus ring on this lense works in the same direction as the canon ones or in reverse (like tamron does)?
Canon makes some beautiful L glass, with smooth focus pulls... Definitely similar, but more closely related to the 85mm 1.2 from Canon in terms of image. I'd say both are on par with Canon on sharpness and image quality. Sold all my Canon lenses, and had two of just about everything under 300mm and moved into native M43 lenses as I felt the quality very similar. The size / weight benefits of native M43 was compelling.
Together In Style thanks for the quick reply! you mean the lumix 42.5 f1.7 matches with canon 85mm f1.2 lense in termsmof image quality? sounds very tempting..
Minus that stop of light, and the build quality... Canon has that over it. But, it is a very sharp lens.
Nice review.Actually achieving enough sharpness at 1.2 is hard technological task.I owned many old lenses with 1.2 opening and must say full open their sharpness is unacceptable for anything except "dreamy photos" with crazy low Depth of field.Leica can do great images at 1.2 .Because of it its so expensive & big.Nobody else except Voigtlander for MFT can do it,but last one is manual lens.
Great video - that's a comparison that is actually useful for a professional wanting to make an educated buying decision
Cool 😎 thanks so glad it was helpful
Question - I have used the 4k photo feature of my GX85, but I do have a concern that maybe you can heck me with. It is a little difficult going through the camera to select stills to save a jpg files due to the small size. I there any software editing program that will let me load the clip onto a computer and see the images in a larger size and THEN pick what I want but still get the same size jpg (I think 4 megapixels) once "extracted?"
Great question... Basically 4K photo mode is taking video clips and saving them to the camera, which would allow you to export an 8mp still photo. You can import into any video editing software to do this. You could also just shoot video instead of using the 4K photo function and do the same thing. Here is a video on how to do this using FCPX. Hope this helps... ruclips.net/video/AtKZaIHak3U/видео.html&list=PLnxk-J_hJU2d0KL_KyLg539P7Z1Sevszl
I use VLC player,( free ) I use a MAC but there is a windows version also. Play the video, pause it at the correct point and right click in the video and click SNAPSHOT. You get no exif data this way but I get 10-11mb .png files with my G85. On the mac I can use the scroll wheel lean left or right to fast forward or reverse the playback to find the exact correct frame. I use a logitech mouse on my iMac. hope that helps.
@@batsonelectronics Thanks for adding another perspective...
@@batsonelectronics Thanks! - I just checked any my MacBook pro with High Sierra says my current VLC version can't be used on it. I have a new mac coming and will serif VLC is automatically on that and will give it a try if it is. I'll also check for newer VLC version on this high Sierra MacBook pro
@@richardmeade9842 VLC is not included, it is not an apple program. www.videolan.org/vlc/download-macosx.html is the maker, it is free open source. It will play dang near any video or audio file type and I use it for playing .mov as well. It is my DEFAULT program to play any video or audio file. It has been around for a long time. It will play 4K even if your display is not 4k and still output a full resolution size file when you do the SNAPSHOT.
I have bought the lumix 42.5 1.7 and the manual meike 35mm 1.4 (only 100€)
For videos I use the lumix because it is automatic and has OIS.
For photography and low light the Meike. It's metal body and full manual settings (aperture and focus), and also the boquet is fantastic. There is a small chromatic aberration and reds tends to be magenta, but it is easy fixed in post.
For people who are in budget, I advice to research this lent for portrait, results are amazingly professional
Cool 😎 that’s one of the most wonderful things about M43 as a format. The lens options seem endless.
Which do you recommend for newbie at a no flash allowed mini concert at a pub; dark, but spotlight on seated musician/s ???
Either of these would be great. As a newbie the 42.5 1.7 is a great option. You can't go wrong with either. Should be plenty of light in that scenario.
Very informative video thanks
Cool... Happy to share.
Great video. Really helpful
Steve Mayeda Awesome Thanks Steve 👍
Great review with great demonstration. That 1.7 could be a pocket lens.
Awesome Video // I was right in the middle of researching this same topic last week & was wondering what way to invest?... Thanks for the insight, I'm also feeling more positive towards the Lumix lens now! I'm gonna get it... Could be a nice combo for my G7 :) Thanks again for the insight! :)
Cool... We must have been on the same thought. Yeah, you won't be disappointed in the Lumix 1.7. The quality is there, and I still can't believe how small and light it is considering the focal length and fast aperture in it.
I made some videos using the 42.5 1.2 and I love that lens! Looks great!
Yeah I checked out the 42.5 vid... Love the shallow depth of field on the floral. The Nocticron is a special lens for sure. One of my favs. But, I wouldn't think twice about picking up the Lumix 42.5 1.7 on a budget. It's a really great lens and an easy return on investment.
Thanks for checking out the vid! Yeah I do agree, if you are on a budget the 42.5 1.7 is a good choice.
Fantastic test!
Great video. I have the Panasonic Lumix 42.5 1.7 and was totally thinking of buying the 1.2 - I do street portraiture - do you think I should invest in the 1.2 or will the difference for street photography be negligible? Thanks again for a great vid!
Dan Stewart If you have a body with IBS it’s not a huge difference because you can hand hold with slower shutter speeds. As long as it isn’t about stopping action at night . It’s a tough call, but I might look to widener your prime options personally with a 12mm 1.4 or 25mm if you already have the 42.5 1.7.
@@artistcharlesmaring Thanks for getting back to me. I am fairly new to photography so I really appreciate the advice. I'll look at those other suggestions.
Thanks for the comparison video. I'm still trying to understand what constitutes a 1000.00 USD price difference between these seemingly similar lenses.
Sorry for the delayed response just got back from a weeklong assignment. Yeah hard to justify for sure unless your a working professional, or just have the coin to step up. Not a lot to gain, and "anything" Leica branded is always a premium product. But, given the choice on client projects I prefer the Leica. All depends on budget, but that is part of what is so cool these days. We have choices galore when it comes to lenses.
Thanks for the comparison, Charles. Really useful info.
Awesome Chris... Appreciate the comment!
@@artistcharlesmaring I love the bokeh that the Leica lens gives, but the Lumix's lighter weight for street photography - and when chasing the grandkids at play - means I'll probably go for the Lumix. Less than a third of the price, too.
@@artistcharlesmaring Your video was fantastic and just what I needed to make an informed decision.
@@chrisstratford1333 Yeah... The Lumix is really sweet as well. Better to role light weight in most cases IMO
@@artistcharlesmaring Going to use it with the Lumix G9. Two areas in which I like to take photographs are golf and chess, and the silent mirror-less aspect of the Micro Four Thirds systems is a boon in both arenas.
Can you get away with using the 1.7 and reducing noise with noise reduction software for video I.e neatvideo? How would the results compare with the 1.2 in similar situations? Maybe an idea for a new yt video? 😁😎🙌🏻
I'm sure you can at most ISO's there a threshold where noise just takes over the image, but a lot can be done with noise reduction these days.
Which of the two can focus closer?
Great question, and sorry for the delayed response. In my busy schedule, I had to get both lenses and do a test to find out. The 1.7 seems to allow me to get 2-3 inches closer to the subject.
Yep! Great! Thanx a lot!!!!
Most interesting.I'm happy with the F1.7
Thanks for sharing Ron. I am happy with the 1.7 as well. Both have their sweet points, but love how mobile the Lumix 1.7 is for sure.
I'm glad you've confirmed my choice. I wouldaybe invest in the Leica if it was at least weather sealed. But the simply Panasonic is simply better imho. :)
Hi, I'm not normally a grumpy person and I definitely wish you success on RUclips.But I'll give you my critique. But I'll give you my critique. I was looking forward to seeing some really sharp photos of gorgeous because the lens is perfect both lenses are very good, but if you compress that perfect thing into HD resolution you've killed it. It didn't happen. So maybe next time.
Very interesting and informative. This just happen to be what I needed to see right now. I'm buying the Lumix 42.5 1.7 while it's on sale, wishing I could afford the Nocticron but at a $1000 more I can't afford right now. Now after watching this video I feel much better about the Lumix lens. If I find that I have something coming up that I know that the Nocticron would be better I'll take some advice that you gave me earlier and rent it.
You can't go wrong either way. You will love the Lumix version I am sure. The Leica is definitely sweet, but we all have to consider our budgets. So cool that there are so many M/43 options for sure.
1.7 is enough for me and specially my budget! 0 regrets since I bought it!
Good to hear.. I agree 100% it's a solid lens.
Very useful comparison, why so many dislikes?
Thanks for the comment... Who knows why... RUclips is a funny place LOL
Hi best video you are best can i ask about noise of 42.5mm f1.2
Thanks for the kind words... It's the fastest lens in the Leica / Lumix lineup. So, it is my go to lens in extreme low light. Having a 1.2 aperture opens up the lens very wide, which will reduce noise at higher ISO ranges. Hope that helps explain
Thank you for fast answer what you think about this 2 lense is it same sharp for video
My friend please the 42.5mm 1.2 is the when focusing is some noise can hearing or no
It should be equally sharp for video and mine doesn't make any noise when focusing, so there may be something going on with your lens if you are hearing noise.
For the price of the nocticron you can pick up the 42.5 f1.7 AND the Olympus 75 f1.8 which is one of the sharpest lenses for micro 4/3.
No doubt! One of the cool parts of M43 is how many lens choices we have. I've even seen some mods here on RUclips from old vintage cameras that give some unique effects, blurs, and bokeh's. I've heard the Olympus 75 is nice, but haven't tried it. Although, I will say that the Nocticron is one of my favs of all time paralleling the 85 1.2 Canon lenses, or the 150mm Hasselblad Zeiss we used to lug around. But, it ain't cheap for sure:)
Just wondering about the fact u r using F16 very often. Does diffraction don't bother you?
eXaviar sanTos eXaviar sanTos I don't ever notice any diffraction problems. To be clear I don't always shoot f/16 by any means. But for product or fashion work it gives a lot of detail. It also makes painted backdrops look more like they were intended for portrait work. Kind of an old school way of thinking. One of my favorite ways to work these days is shallow DOF balancing ambient and strobe together, but all depends on the goal and the assignment.
Together In Style got it. Thanks for the answer. Keep it up
While it almost completely don't make sense but I love the aperture ring on Leica and built quality - I own 15mm Leica and I wish I could save for 42.5mm because of that.
Yeah the the Leica build quality is definitely well done.
Most interesting.
nice review
Chagrin Valley-Web appreciate the positive feedback
I MUCH prefer the image/bokeh coming out of the LEICA but OMG the price!
Yeah it's pricey, but it's worth every penny IMO. Each has their sweet spot, but there are only a few lenses I've had in my life that I felt the "worth every penny" feeling... Others would be the Hasselblad 500cm series Fisheye, 50, and 150... Canon 85 1.2... I think since I have been down those roads this feels like a bargain:)
The price is fine for one of the best lens of the system since the target audience are pros who will quickly earn back their initial investment
If you care about price or want a travel lens. The Panny F1.7 is great. If you are a working professional then the Noctricon is a no brainer.
Well said... Both have their cool factor.
can I use the 42,5mm on s1h?
No it’s Micro 4/3’s only
@@artistcharlesmaring ah ok thank you! and how it's possibile to use this on s1h? there's any adapter that you know?
Bosco Alessandro Not that I am aware of. You might want to look at the Sigma 85 1.4 Art
Any thoughts about Sigma 56mm?
john jensen I didn’t know Sigma had M43 lenses. So no thoughts, but def will look into it.
I knew leica lens was expensive but not that much I went to a lens seller to test those two 42 mm the prices was hidden and of course he got a low light area to shot ^^ the 1400€ price (I'm in France) completely broke me down 😅.
It's really expensive for a micro 4/3 lens I mean
No doubt that anything with the name Leica is always pricey whether it be cameras or lenses. But, they do make some of the best glass out there. Give the 42.5 1.7 a go. It's a very nice lens, and it's priced very reasonably for the quality and speed.
You still use this lens?
Yes and still love it
@@artistcharlesmaring for video or photo?
Fernando Taborda I turn to it often for both
when sensors started to look good at ISO 6400 and got 5 F-stops of stabilization I decided that anything about f1.8 max aperture was
all I wanted to carry. I got decent OOF and still could get shots in focus.
F 1.2 is so shallow DOF that often I would miss acceptable focus.
Comparing these lenses, the F1.2 has egg shaped Bokeh Balls, not what
I want.
zenjitsuman Smaller and lighter has its advantages for sure. In some cases less is more.
You are like John Malkovich with long hair. :)
Mem Orjaliza Media Solutions Cool I don’t mind “being John Malcovich” 😂
@@artistcharlesmaring haha. Great comparison btw! :)
It's mind blowing to me that the Nocticron is not weather sealed, that's a huge fail
ATT MEE No doubt! Such a great lens but that's a big miss.
If the leica did not exist you would not know any difference so I the 1.7 is the one for me. I found a like new used for $280.
Greg Wallace nice find!
@@artistcharlesmaring I just finalized that deal picking it up wed from someone local for $270 saved another 10 dollars.
Greg Wallace Nice 👍
you state the difference between f1.2 and f1.7 is 1 stop, but this is not true. It is 3/4 of a stop, maybe you was rounding but you did then say its the difference between doubling the iso, which again is not the case. Its like shooting at 6400 or 11,200 not 6400 and 12800. I think its important to state the actual difference in light given the price difference.
Thanks for chiming in and being precise Alan... Yes there is a subtle difference making the 1.7 just a little bit more enticing.
anyways tx for the comparison, just trying to convince myself the f1.2 is worth the extra. How did you find it focusing in low light? reliable?
Yes the focusing is very comparable... Nice thing about Lumix is that the focus assist lamp is in the camera body instead of the flash. Moving over to Lumix from being a Nikon and then Canon shooter, that little feature is a huge help for me personally in low light as I photograph a lot of weddings with off camera strobes. My DSLRs would hunt non-stop a weddings photographing the first dance, etc... when the lights got low. Now it's a breeze to work this way. The real difference in the lenses is build quality. A couple of things I didn't mention was that the Leica has a manual aperture ring option which is kind of nice once in a while, and it has the ability to turn off AF on the lens as well so it's an easy switch to Manual focus. But, of course that can be done with ease on the camera body as well. I don't think you'll be disappointed either way you go. The Leica is a very special once in a lifetime kind of lens albeit expensive, but I love how lightweight the 1.7 is! Tough call because they both make great points.
your not making this any easier for me lol! as you said, that small form on the f1.7 is what I moved to m43 for!
Alan Ross Reviews lol Yes myself as well.