Which Undertale & Deltarune Army Is The STRONGEST?
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- War never changes..
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Deltarune Chapter 1 - Chaos King
Undertale - Bergentrückung
Deltarune Chapter 2 - It’s Pronounced Rules
Deltarune Chapter 2 - Attack Of The Killer Queen
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Just a quick few things I wanted to address because I’m seeing a lot of the same comment.
“Sans & Papyrus are part of Asgore’s army”: Yeah that was my bad. Completely forgot about them. I still think the sheer number difference would overwhelm Asgore’s army even with the inclusion of those two. It’d take longer to bring them down but the result would be the same. Not to mention Sans would get tired extremely quickly.
“The Core Mercenaries were hired by Mettaton, not Asgore”: Once again, my bad. But Asgore is still capable of hiring them and I’m sure he has enough money to do so. I just needed as many combatants on Asgore’s side as possible because while doing research for this video, Asgore’s army was at a huge disadvantage due to size differences.
Anyways that’s all I wanted to clear up. If there’s anything else you want me to address, please leave a comment below.
wouldnt like sans insane attack speed and area damage capabilities like shred king's army of plentiful but weak units?
@@insertjokehere3430 We have to take into account the fact that Sans can only dodge 24 attacks before he gets tired and with sheer numbers, it would take a very short amount of time before he's exhausted. I feel like he'd be overwhelmed quickly by how much is being thrown at him.
@@Kustopiatechnically the easiest enemy 🤷♂️
Couldn't Mettaton also count? He was designed as a human eradication robot for Asgore.
didn't papyrus hold back against the fight?
also do amalgamates count or?
Back in Vietnam , US Army has deployed Spamton G Spamton as the last resort / chance at victory
We lost 3 minutes later
This actually mimics real life, with the military routinely buying into bullshit grifts like dowsing.
The core enemies are mercenaries hired by mettaton
Exactly! Mettaton even says “If I get your SOUL, I can stop Asgore’s plan” which clearly means he isn’t on his side. I remember someone theorised that Mettaton hired EVERYONE in the entire underground however Mettaton talks about the CORE before that line so debunked.
still, i´m sure Asgore has the money to hired them himself if he was preparing for a war
doesn’t RG stand for Royal Guard, so at least they’d be working for asgore? i don’t have a source for it but it feels like it’s commonly known
But they still ultimately work for Asgore.
@@stardust-reverie What do you mean? i don´t remember seeing any RG on their fight, name or armor
I heard someone say that if Berdly was a party member, he would have less HP than him being a boss however Susie is a boss in Chapter 1 and becomes your party member but she has the same stats as her party member self. So I guess if Berdly becomes our party member, he will actually have 900 HP I guess.
yes so thats why he never joins the party otherwise you would be unstoppable
susie is a boss in ch1?
@@JoaoPedro-jl8byIn chapter 1 you fight Susie and Lancer together right after the Thrash machine explodes in front of Kris and Ralsei then Susie talks about how she'll go back to being a good guy if you win but if you lose you'll have to join them instead and do whatever they say then you get a choice on if you accept or not but Susie stops you from saying yes or no and starts the battle anyway
It's because berdly was never meant to be a party member in the first since he isn't a main character unlike Susie. I mean his hp will probably be lower if he was meant be play as which he is not since again, he isn't a main character like, Kris, Susie, Ralsei, Noelle but no his only a side character/boss fight.
@@JoaoPedro-jl8by Yeah? She fights with Lancer remember? After they blow up the thrash machine
Alternative title: Which army would last longer against a child
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More like a god of time posing as a child.
@@fsexplorer9727 fax
no, Kris is big stupid, and Frisk is smol stupid
One important fact to mention is, after Roulx battle in chapter 2, he seems to charge up some ultimate form that’s cut short by him turning into stone. IF roulx were in a sustainable dark world, then I believe he would be absolutely unstoppable (even if we haven’t seen his true power yet). With him also being the “rules card” in the light world, fans have speculated that he would literally change the rules of battle, which if were true, roulx easily beats everyone easily. Plus he also has some regular attacks as in his chapter 2 battle, while most of his attacks are from the thrash machine, he does use some normal attacks (one that comes to mind is his box attack). Also roulx uses some sort of teleportation to enter the battle field which is already strong.
if he can change the rules of battle roulx beats everyone exept for sans...cause sans regularly breaks the rules of battle so he'd be mostly unaffected
Rouxls is *ALMOST* on par with the Invincible, the Omnipotent, the GREAT PAPYRUS
YOUVE given me an idea.
@@gameingtothemax6266 arguably, he could beat sans, as he just some times bends rules, rouxls likely can change remove and add rules to his will, and sans can easily be tired out and killed, also this means he could change the rules to not let him bend them, or make him take 1000 damage every time he moves
Thank you for not including the secret bosses, i really doubt King and Queen would recruit darkners they clearly dislike. King locked Jevil up for their safety, and Spamton is a vengeful maniac who'll turn on you on a dime if need be
i would imagine king would only MAYBE unleash jevil as a last resort
hed turn on you if paid a dime
turn on a literal dime
@@oof8493That’s A Great Last Resort, About The Likes Of Undyne The Undying (Referring To Battle Difficulty)
@@oof8493That’s A Great Last Resort, About The Likes Of Undyne The Undying (Referring To Battle Difficulty)
On the subject of plugs, they seem to be made for plugboys specifically, because when Berdly gets pluged he not only does not get any new powers, he becomes even weaker, not being able to use any other attacks besides his basic one.
however, his plugg was alot harder to remove and i am pretty sure you couldnt just pacify him unlike the werewires.
In fact, Queen says that plug was designed for 'teenagers', if I'm correct, so only that specific wire works on a not plugboy
Sans is a sentry, meaning he is a part of the royal guard, similar to Doggo, Dogamy, and Dogaressa. I think him and Undyne would wipe the entirety of the other teams. Also, while not formally a part of the guard, Papyrus is basically one, working as a sentry and being Undyne's (basically) right hand man. Mettaton is in a similar situation to Papyrus, being Alphys' close ally and friend, and if not in NEO form, He has a basically impenetrable armor, as stated in the game, "His metal body renders him invulnerable to attack.", and if you attack him during the quiz show, all of your attacks miss.
Also papyrus’s is a power house like sans with the fact that he could probably pacify some darkners
sans with his 1 hp could get submerged by many foes who could tire him out and land a lucky hit. To be fair, sans is strong against opponents with (relatively) low hp like frisk but against large groups of ennemies, he is toast
Sans would probably just skip this one out until Papyrus gets hurt.
Royal gaurd solos chapter 2
Sans is actually a no issue in this fight. Sans’ only strong because of his haxes that work based off Karma. So in other words the less karma you have means the easier it is to hit Sans, the more IV frames you have during attacks, and less poison.
For example a simple Froggit would probably beat Sans 9/10, but Undyne or Asgore would lose to Sans 7/10 times. The darkner’s don’t have much karma with the exception of people like King, Jevil, and Spamton.
Queen does what she does based off of a misguided sense of wanting to make people happy. She honestly believes what she’s doing is helping people which would reduce her Karma earned for those acts.
Also it doesn’t matter because the armies themselves have little to no Karma, and basically no diff Sans.
King’s army relies on numbers just like in a cards game. A singe card isn’t much but with the right set of cards you can win easily. It’s not about the individual but about the group
Oh, that's smart
Wouldn't sans count as under Asgores Army because he is the royal judge? He works for Asgore.
The entire royal judge name is a tad fanon but sans is a royal guard/sentry
so basically yeah, he is under asgores army due to being a sentry.
Yea but like Sans needs motivation. In genocide his only reason for fighting you is “there might not be a reset after this, this may be it”. If you spare even a single monster he won’t act
So it’s unlikely he’d fight in this
But what about papyrus, he is an incredibly strong and capable warrior, has the most controll with attacks, and also has access to gaster blasters (alphys might also). And there is a trend in Undertale, the more the enemies move, the more they are trying to kill you... Papyrus never moves in his battle... like he is a brick wall until you hit him, then he goes right back.
@@element50-me i dunno where you got the alphys has gaster blasters, but yeah papyrus is part of asgores army and is probably more than capable of dealing with enemies than what we see in his battle.
Good points! But, then again. Asgore's army is comprized of lightners, who are INMENSELY more powerful when gifhting darkners. Much like Berdly, everyone would get an insane HP, Defense, Attack, and MAGIC boost (unless you truly think Berdly the middle schooler can take Undyne the head of teh Royal Guard).
Isn't Berdly in highschool?
@@axorandomBerdly isn't human though
Yeah that's true like the only way the asgore army will face the king's ND queen army is by entering the dark world so all of the monsters will get a boost in hp
Nice arguments… but it seems like you may have mistaken the intentions of some enemies. For example core enemies being mercenaries, scarlet forest bunnies just probably vibing around and amulances(although with queen), just doing their job.
Final Froggit, Whimsalot, Astigmatism, Madjick and Knight Knight are not memebers of Asgore army, they are mercenarys hired by mettaton, though i´m sure that if Asgore needed to he would have the founds to hire them no problem.
Sans is also a memeber of the royal guard, his position in the game is that of a sentry instead of a soldier, but they were also expected to fight humans if they saw any, and since Sans not doing his job is an exception that happened only because of the promise he did to protect the human, is safe to say he would be a valuable force on king Asgore army.
Alphys hacking abilities seem to be rather bad, on the game she wasn´t able to hack anything she tried to and she already had previous knowledge of how everything worked, so i doubt she could hack anything on the cyberspace, however she is a great enginier and could probably create wapons for the soldiers, to begin whit she probably created most of what mettaton EX uses as weapons on his fight.
But take the undertale hard mode (aka choosing frisk as your name). Would Final Froggit, Whimsalot and Astigmatism be mercenarys?
@@Snt1_ na, they are just normal monsters that atack you for random reasons on hard mode
You are wrong about sans being valuable cause even if he did fight he is only so strong in genocide is due to karma if you fought him in a pacifist run he would do 1 dmg then immunity then 1 dmg and so on
sans also seems to be the royal judge as proven by the fact that he judges us at the end (pacifist and gen)
@@SkeletonSlacker That dosn´t proof that he is the royal judge, just that he is a judge, and really not even that. not only there is not any evidence of the existence of a "royal judge" position or anything similar, but is also completly posible that he just does that as a pass time, just as he helps Alphys whit the amalgamates on his free time, specially considering how he seems to have no autority over anyone. There is evidence of him fighting you on a genocide route being his job, but nothing more than that and nothing that conects him to Asgore
good thing we didn't count kings
because asgore is a one mans army with his 3500HP 80atk and 80def
reminder that it is proofen (by undyne) that asgore can dodge
im prtty sure if asgore would not hold back he could make mashed potatoes off chaos king and regular queen.
I see some people say sans can be counted valuably
thing is he could if anything only deal damage against darkness who have done wrong things DUE to his stats, not to mention hed have to dodge everything thrown at him
I'm pretty sure that's the main reason Asgore doesn't have an army. It's not just the underground having a low population (around 10.000 monsters) but is Asgore being a one-man army himself. Also, Asgore priority is his people, so he probably doesn't even want to make his own people risk their lives fighting humans. Undertale constantly tells us that the average monster is weak. But if the humans preferred to seal the monsters underground instead of purging them, it's probably because of Asgore's strength being an actual threat to humanity.
@@tomascalvo2285 the theory asgore might not wanna risk his own people sounds reasonable and, canon accurate to his character!
because you know, humans vs monster war? aka ptsd, and guilt..etc.
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Theoretically, King would have Seam in his army; as Seam mentions that theu were forced to lock Jevil away on the orders of the kings.
We also know Swatch is just barely capable of removing Topchef from the cafe when he doesn't have his men with him; it's unclear whether that reflects as an impressive feat on Topchef's part or very unimpressive on Swatch's part.
That's because Seam was once the Royal Magician. (And Jevil was the royal jester), but now, he's a just old shopkeeper.
Basically the same with Gerson who has once the Captain of the Royal Guard, but now he's just retired.
Swatch also said he had to repeatedly kick out Spamton, and even in base, Spamton is very dangerous, so my theory was that Swatch didn’t want to hurt Topchef while chef probably fought back
Seam left the kings side effectively leaving the army/faction and i believe Swatch is just a better commander than he's as an actual fighter
Queen would streamroll most things with her robot alone. Berdly, Tasque Manager, werewerewires and Swatch would be enough to clean up whoever survives
let's not talk about what happen in the underground from 1985 to 1997
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@@tadeolaguarda6965 the Sansident
@@user-eo6lk1cg7x XD
mettaton was the one who hired the monsters in the core he mentions it in his prefight dialogue I think
I mean to be fair... most Cyber World enemies could easily disable Alphys, too...
Undyne the undying could probably solo king`s entire army
The video makes a lot of sense!
And... I think Sansa can be attributed to Asgore's army
Yes, he is not a direct fighter, but he is a judge, and since Alphys, who is a scientist, belongs to the army, then Sans will also be attributed to it (logically)
And, of course, he will not be as strong as on genocide, but ... the fact that he ignores invulnerability (as only one thing in deltarune) and possible blasters with bones can cause problems
Well all monster is in asgores army and if spamton is not part of queen and jevil is not part of king then asgore solo
@@UrMom624 Well, Jevil is in prison, and Spamton is in a landfill.
This greatly simplifies the concept of who they are with.
But still no, not all the monsters in the ARMY itself
Yes, they are fighting with us, but for them it's more of a game than a real battle (in my opinion it's even a quote, but I don't remember exactly)
if Queen gets Noelle, then its over.
If Noelle cast snowgrave on kings team undertale would win because alphys can just disable the cyber world enemys
@@BlockysRUclipsChannel tbh i dont think they can be hacked, also if they were, then alphys likely would need internet to connect to their systems, and since berdley is acknowledged, and when he was in there the internet was out, alphys couldnt connect to the darkners internet, as they had none, also just tech in general seems to be strangely functioning, as the clocks clearly are broken, whos to say mettaton or alphys tech wouldnt be affected by this anomaly in the deltarune verse?
@@BlockysRUclipsChannel also why cant noelle snowgrave ASGORES team instead?
@@BlockysRUclipsChannel also alphys tech might not be compatible if they were, and if she could this actually may put them at a disadvantage, as queen could disable their tech, too
@@bloodrinker to be honest if that doesn’t work we might need an omega flowey or full power Asriel to do it
Wait, i thought Sans was technically part of the royal guard? Because if he was, Deltarune doesnt stand a chance
hes a sentry, which SHOULD make him part of the royal guard
undyne probably wouldnt have stopped to get mad at him during the chase in waterfall and hotland if he wasnt part of the royal guard, since it wouldve been none of her business otherwise
(also sans would probably lose to large numbers)
And Classic Sans is the royal judge, making him part of Asgore's army, even he's superior but that only will know who understand and know, but royal judge is part of royal guard, highest rank but is still part, so Undertale would be the strongest, bc Jevil would be the only one who can match him but is not counted since is trapped in a "void" of Deltarune Chapter 1 and doesn't attack the lighters bc of the King or something, bc he wanted to, so for that he doesn't count, and maybe should count Gaster too, bc was part of royal guard and was the royal scientist, making him an important part of the royal guard in the past and now is trapped in the void, but he still counting bc is still with same mind of royal scientist, thinking more to himself good position and caring more of himself than others, but still there counting in the army.
Sans is not a soldier because hes just a guy but he could
BUT the promised...
So, Sans is the royal judge. He is the last monster you encounter before Asgore, and is likely the last line of defense. It took Fisk/Chara killing literally everyone else, all 95-110 available encounters, for Sans to even start attacking. If one of the armies of Deltarune managed to wipe out Asgore's army, they'd still have reserve forces that would very easily overpower Sans. Sans would also struggle with fighting just Kris, as Kris has just 2 less HP that a level 19 Frisk/Chara had, at 90 instead of 92. This is Kris at LEVEL 1.
Undyne, on the other hand, has thouands, if not tens of thousands of HP (neutral v genocide), and never stops attacking, wearing down sans quite quickly.
Heck, even METTATON NEO, the joke of a fight in the genocide run, would beat sans as he has a whopping 30,000 HP! Sans can only attack for one damage per game tick (30 ticks/second) coming out at 30 dmg/second IF Sans is able to hold a bone on you the whole time.
Sans and Undyne and a human are like a rock/paper/scissors game. Sans is paper, flimsy and weak overall, but stores knowledge. The Human is a rock, durable and... maybe something else idk. Undyne is like a pair of scissors, Sharp, stabby, and very dangerous to run with.
(A video that shows this well for sans and undyne is here: ruclips.net/video/HgoDYEiVacc/видео.html)
Sans kinda just gets tired after 30 attacks or so
Which means that even if he can take out 30 enemies (unrealistic due to dodging and healing) , it still would be all he can do for the time being
Finally! Someone made a video about comparing the armies!
If we see that phases when noelle captured by queen we can maybe say for queen too and her snowgrawe☠
if its army v army then i feel like undertale would win. VERY easily too. something not mentioned is that the darkeners would have to fight the monsters (lighteners) in the light world as useless stuff or the monsters would fight the darkeners in the dark world. the dark world has been shown to make lighteners way stronger with kris a child with a pencil turning into a warrior with a sword. if the battle happened in either world the monsters would win. now if we were to say what you were saying i still think the monsters would win because of the genocide bosses and the influence of asgore. good video though. to anyone who read this the whole way through, thanks for reading.
counter point, asgore has 8 confirmed soldiers💀
Something to note that you seemed to have forget- the funny bone man himself, Sans Undertale, is a sentry and thus the same rank as Dogamy and Dogaressa.
I love Toby Fox's logic, because 1 alive Skeleton, Jester card and Random guy on wires stronger than Leaders of their worlds (Queen, King and Asgore).
tbh asgore beats sans, as he can dodge too in lore and has higher stamina
I feel like Undyne is gonna rip and tear and Papyrus is gonna just stand there
tbh undyne wouldnt last long
i don’t think that alphys disabling mettaton’s attacks is a show
she wasn't able to disable anything in the core (effectively), and mettaton states before you fight him that its all been an act or smth
@@funkymonkey7252Isn't she still the royal scientist who works for king Asgore though? She was hired as royal scientist for a reason.
@@firestorm3k882 certainly yes im just confirming that the attacks being disabled was a show
@@funkymonkey7252 Oh, ok
@@firestorm3k882 She was hired because she built an killer robot with soul.
i'd like to see all enemies from all games fight eachother
I feel like if a real war broke out papyrus would probably join the army even if he can't get the royal guard status and we are told by undyne that paps is strong enough to give her trouble anslo undyne herself would fight
Don't forget that Sans works as a sentry guard.
Well….Technically Papyrus has his own (small) rank in the Royale Guard so-
3:55 i repeatedly killed the first rudinn you meet in deltarune like 40 times . so i can agree with that.
Mettaton hired all the monsters to attack the human in core
Sans being the royal judge and sentry has went to a shortcut
Don't forget that Sans and Papyrus are sentries, since they are also tasked to bring human souls to the higher-ups. (Even though Papyrus doesn't know that much and just knows that he should "capture" the human.) So that also adds up to Asgore's army.
I feel like sans has like a side job for asgore where he would do literally nothing
Fun fact: berdly also was going to summon a dark fountain for Noelle which probably would take tons of power because those can create an entire world lol
I think maybe if the spade king gets in an emergency situation and the enemy is just too strong the king could (consider to) release jevil from his freedom so that he could play a little game, game
“it took the combined powers of kris susie and ralsie to bring him down”
Noelle using iceschock:🗿
I think u forgot mettaton but I believe asgore army can win and numbers doesn’t always mean you will win as there’s some wars in the old days had huge differences in numbers but somehow the side with lesser numbers were victories
counter point, mettaton isnt in the army, and doesnt count
@@bloodrinker ok but then still undyne is the captain of asgore army + again numbers isn’t everything importantly when the one with more numbers are ruled by fear and force
@@bruhntastic3021 it kind of is in this case, and undyne is the only one that would stand a chance, everyone else would go down relatively easy, doggo cant see still objects, dogamy and dogaressa rely on smell and the greater and lesser dog could be distracted, 01 and 02 wouldnt do much against a large group of ppl, leaving undyne, which likely would get overpowered by sheer numbers
You didn’t mention the robot in the basement its shown to be very strong to the point of a base troop like rudin would have a lot of power and even more if it was a very powerful troop like berdly if berdly could use it he could stand a chance to Undyne the undying
OK, So right off the bat I have to correct some misinterpretation. sorry for this, but...
The enemies you fight in the CORE are bounty hunters hired by Mettaton. I'm pretty sure Alphys even says they're not supposed to be there. As far as Im aware, ONLY members explicitly stated to be part of the Royal Guard are part of Asgore's army.
1:38 They are not from the royal guard, they are mercenaries that Mettaton hired
From what we know about Chapter 3, I think that Tenna/Mike's army stands a good chance because (assuming the shadowmen work for them) the Shadowmen have modern weaponry
As funny as it is, damage dealt and taken are two different systems as proven by suzie when you fight them in chapter 1.
I disagree with what you say about Rouxles Kaard. In my opinion he's very powerful and potentially up there with the King. He just plays stupid with the Lightners. He may want the Lightners to think he's incompetant and his puzzles are trash so he can thrash them later on (for whatever reason) when they have their gaurd down. His accent is so painfully fake and in his shop he doesn't really use it at all. Oh, he can teleport too. Which is often reserved for extremely powerful characters, like Sans, and Sans looks like some dumb lazy NPC, but at the end of a genocide route he shows us his true power. Rouxles Kaard was going to show us his true power at the end of the acid tunnel fight, but he turned to stone before he could do anything. Also I should should note, Rouxles Kaard (Rules Card) is THE Rules Card, that's how you pronounce his name. Despite all of this I do understand if anyone thinks that he is incompetant, as we don't know his motives, if he has any, so he could just be hanging around and goofing with us for all I know. I would say this is supported by the altercation he had with Swatch. According to Swatch he wanted to be crowned as "Buttler Supremeth" so it seems he was using his accent around Swatch. But who knows, he could be trying to fool Swatch into thinking he's an idiot too. There's a million 'What if?'s out there, but ultimately I think Rouxles is stronger than he seems.
Sorry if anyone had a stroke reading this, I usually type out what i'm thinking without double checking it, lmao. Great video btw! Keep up the good work!
(Oh also I don't want to really argue or debate, it's just me expressing my thoughts, but I will deffinately hear you out!)
Rouxls also made the control crown which means he is actually an inventor as well as he was able to make a crown that NOT ONLY made the C round into K round giving them the SAME POWER but ALSO letting him have complete control over the entity.
@@cyborgboy3070 Oh yes, that too. Rouxles is quite sneaky!
@@Emperor_Creeper alright I can't handle it anymore rouxls is the sans of deltarune they both are blue, they both can teleport, they both are inventors, they both like puzzles, they both speak differently from everyone else, they both have a "special attack", and they both are Mr. Stealyogirls to the kings.
@@cyborgboy3070 That's actually an interesting theory, those are certainly a lot of coincidences. Or are they coincidences?!?
i bet king would win from just sheer number like there are practically infinite of every type of enemy while there are like 50 at most in cyber world and and like 15 in undertale
maybe papyrus will get into the royal guard someday
Yeah he deserves it
papyrus is stronger than sans. he is implied to put in no effort into the fight based on his movement, and in true pacifist he has four vines around him when the others have two. papyrus is way stronger than sans
@@mrblakeboy1420I never saw that
If we think in disbelief(i know that is fanmade) it would made a lot of sense
@@jarkquioxd3245true, he still holds back tho
Papyrus would be in the right cause he is a sentry
Honestly, Undyne can probably wreck a lot of the other two's normal soldiers, and another thing you forgot, Sans is the Royal Judge, he works for Asgore, is him as well as Undyne the Undying get involved it might as well as be over, even queen with her mech, Spamton Neo, and Jevil might lose to those two plus a soul absorbed Asgore.
The "Royal Judge" is a fanmade position, there is not mention of such thing on the game and one would think that if he had such an important position he would held some level of autority over the royal guard or something
Well, if you had enough numbers, like kings army, and some roman tactics, too long to explain, it would be easy to overwhelm any of the armies
@@minestar2247 Don't worry, I get what you're saying there.
youre forgetting sans is a sentry
"Sentry comin' up!"
-Engineer TF2
No he s not
@@jarkquioxd3245 Yes, he is. He has a sentry stand and watches out for humans for his brother.
@@jarkquioxd3245 Yes he is, not only does he has real sentry post around the underground, Undyne says herself that he works for her and always does enough work for her to not be able to fire him, except for the day Frisk fell (because of the promise he made to Toriel)
Sans is a dispenser
Sans is fucking part of asgore team
Asgore has the smallest army, but one soldier (Undyne) can solo all of Deltarune (it’d take Undying for Queen’s big robot thingy)
well what about sans? pretty sure he works directly under the king as a judge, and if not he works under undyne as a sentry, also i dont think berdly would be a part of queens army unless noel was there
Hear me out but sans is a judge. Which kinda means he works for asgore. Also if there was a war, I feel like many more monsters would take up arms than what you think
No sans is a sentry the calls confirm that Undyne is his boss. The whole royal judge thing was a myth in order to give more importance to sans when he clearly doesn't have any more to give.
Sans? 2:53
Sans works for him.
Plus Sans solos a ton of enemies.
The judge.
counter point, sans only is strong because you play as 1 kid with an easily dodged slash, bullet hells would destroy him
@@bloodrinker COUNTER COUNTER POINT! Sans can teleport.
Undyne plus 6 human souls equals ass kicking MACHINE
Undyne the undying plus the human souls solos 🗿
@@nitroblaze6696 i would put a counter point but the fact you use the moai emoji and the way you word it makes me feel like you would respond with nuh uh to every point
I think when it comes to how you counted things... you forgot that if the Queen and King both conscripted everyone then didn't Asgore also do the same? Isn't that why Toriel left is he made the same claim?
In part why any Monster beating you is a Game Over and why they are hostile to you till an area is either completely killed or completely pacified. They stop attacking you at certain points.
they arnt giving your souls to asgre. they are keeping it for themseves
Not really, Toriel is furious at Asgore because he declared war on humans, yes, but he did not bring most monster into the fight. Most monsters that atack you on the underground do so for their own motives not realated whit Asgore, some want to keep Frisk soul for themself to gain power, others are just angry and take it out on you, others just want to flex how strong they are and some don´t even realize they are atacking you on the first place. It also would go agains Asgore character if he had tried to involv every siticen on the underground into doing something so potentially dangerous, that´s why he has the royal guard to begin whit
Most monsters doesn't even know that we are human.
4:50 fun gang? if you picked the crupled paper i would've been th fu-
One thing you forgot is that Asgore’s kingdom is by far the biggest of the 3, undertale is significantly longer than a single deltarune chapter and from clues in the enviroment the underground is much bigger, Asgore’s “soldiers per capita” might be low, but considering the larger population…
I'm gonna say it even though he would not really be able to do anything with 1att - 1def - 1hp we forgot the judge: Sans
In the end, friendship is stronger than all of them combined !
Im very confident that if papyrus was involved in a war and he was TRYING he would stomp most if not all the darkners (mabie not rules card tho)
if these armies were to fight, wouldnt they have to do it i a dark world?
cuz in the light world the king and queen's armies would effectively not exist.
but also if they fight in the dark world then the hp and atk of asgore's army would prob be raised like how Kris's stats go from 20 to 90.
Okay well king has seam who was said to have trapped jevil in the cell and i doubt jevil would go along with it so seam probably put him in the cell BY FORCE
1:48
Mettaton hired them to kill you in the CORE (though he didn’t actually pay them)
That's such a mettaton move . Hopefully it isn't like that irl
@@minestar2247 after finishing the Mettaton fight in pacifist you can talk to the "black sausages" in the CORE and they will tell you that he hired them but didn't pay them
Nah Deltarune Chapter 7 characters are way more powerful than all of the armies combined.
ikiaj (i know it's a joke) but still, dude thinks it's 2025
Alright, now I wanna know how killer robot queen vs. soul infused Asgore would go
Why do people keep calling Sans the Royal Judge?
The guy just runs an illegal a group of hotdog joints and pretends to be a sentry (He is, but he might as well just be pretending to be, since he is THAT bad at his job.)
But yeah...
Asgore would have Sans and Papyrus...
One is useless... Can you guess which?
Sans. Unless we go out of character for Sans... He's sorta just going to be sat there cheering his brother on. Sure, he might beat up a Rudin, but that's about it pretty much. Tbh he'd probably get the Darkners in debt with his illegal hotdog stand.
Papyrus is the main one here. He is a Royal Guard in training, so we CAN say he's in the army. We know he's more tougher than he lets on etc etc... Yet he does NOT need that. And he wouldn't do that unless he watches Undyne die in front of him or something... He's just going to be regular, which is still strong. He'd be able to beat the vast majority of the Darkners armies. Remember that his greatest weakness is KINDESS. He's too kind to go all out.
Base Undyne could beat everyone tbh... Sure Nerdly is strong bUUUT.... He lacks the experience to talk on Undyne of all people. Being powerful is good enough but I don't think it'd be enough to take on the experience that Undyne is packing.
If you really want to stretch it you could say Alphys could pull Mettaton or the Amalgamates but I think that'd just secure Asgore's victory. Mettaton alone would give them ANOTHER Undyne level player. Amalgamates are unfair but... Uhhhh... Realistic tbh... If we're talking competent war and if the Underground begins to loose, it is possible Alphys could unleash them. However, if we consider them as similar to the souls, it's a no.
Uhh... You could include R03 and R04 if you wanna pull "COULD TECHNICALLY EXIST DUE TO THEIR BEING MORE OF THE UNDERGROUND THAN WE SEE." Does just mean the Underground gets some more mid-low high tier fighters.
The Core guys could probably just be there since Asgore could easily just hire them.
If we include bosses, then Asgore probably solo's almost everyone besides maybe Mechaqueen. Again, he probably will try HARDER than he does in Undertale, he's not facing his sins right infront of him, inform of what he believes he HAS to do, so yeah. He's not going to be the absolute monster I imagine the first human after Chara faced. But yeah, he's going to be more accurate to how Undyne described him, at the least.
"the wire is better than the crown"
K Round: WHO NEEDS ARMS WITH LEGS LIKE THESE?!
In terms of the combatants Asgore's army is dead last even with the overpowered combatants he has it is just too much to assume that each combatant would be able to destroy multiple 100's of king's forces when maybe 10? Rudin rangers were able to subdue the fun gang. A gang mind you that was able to take on Jevil who is very easily comparable to Asgore himself. Another thing that people often just flat out ignore when talking about this is that many Npc's in the first dark world that seem like nothing are suddenly very important for the fight such examples being top chef, Rouxls kaard, and Malius . Top chef is able to make and replenish multiple spin cakes which can heal hp of the entire party. Rouxls is much more impressive as many people often forget that the control crown isn't the armies it is ROUXL'S CONTROL CROWN! He MADE that crown not to mention rouxlsroux (his own healing item), Amber cards (that he has a plentiful supply of), and the brave axe that are all under Rouxl's ownership as well. Finally Malius who is able to not only fix armor, but also FULLY HEAL ANYONE! Besides all of that lest we forget that the K. round can only be beaten if the combatants of the other two armies A. Bow to it (which could be considered mutiny) or B. Throw things to get the crown off. Let me remind you that the only reason it was so easy the second time was cause of the prior knowledge that the fun gang had. If the armies didn't know how to beat it then they would probably never win.
Snowdin sentries (Sans and Papyrus) propably also work for asgore
Swatch maybe is powerful, since he created the NEO robot.
Rules Carter is actually most powerful because he could make the rules Change it to that the rules are any monster in robot just die
the core monsters are mercenaries hired by mettaton
I mean to be completely honest here berdly sweeps all of those army’s. Why? Because he is a true gamer and gamers don’t die they respawn. Ok now to watch the video.
Sans is the judge (Team Asogre) allowing him to judge every darkner on their army
bro would get evaporated by any bullet hell
Sans and Papyrus also work under Asgore, they're sentries. Sans mans 3 sentry stations and is also literally the last line of defence before the king. Sans also was stated to just have money with Papyrus not knowing where it comes from, pretty heavily implying that Asgore is paying him well for his service.
actually Papyrus isn´t an oficial sentrie, as evidence by how he dosn´t even have a real sentry post and being a sentry would make him a part of the royall guard, which he isn´t.
Sans probably also gets money from selling hot dogs and working as a comedian on the resort besides working as a sentry, wich may imply that the salary of a sentry is not that great.
@@tadeolaguarda6965 If that were where Sans gets his money then he wouldn't make it a big secret, Pap would know about that. IMO it's pretty clear that Asgore is paying him under the table, and if I were to guess a reason why it's probably because Sans was the one to deliver at least some of the humans that fell. That's why he's so ominous in the MTT Resort date, he knows that "youd be dead where you stand" because it's happened before. As for Papyrus, I'm pretty sure Undyne refers to him as a sentry? I could be wrong about that, not sure.
@@MrAppleSalad Sans has clearly made a big effort to make everyone think he is super lazy while still doing his jobs, we don´t know the reason for this, maybe it is to hide how little will to live he has left or maybe it is just because as he himself says, he just likes being call lazy despite it not being the truth. Hiding were the money comes from, even if it is from normal jobs is a vital of keeping his status as a lazy person, no one would think he is lazy again if they realize he keeps like 5 diferent jobs to pay the bills. why would he even have all those jobs instead of just sleeping if he really dosn´t need them.
If Sans really is the king last line of defense, i have many question: Why does he seem to have no relationship at all whit Asgore? they don´t seem to know eachother, there is not even an implication of them having met before and i don´t even think they ever talk to each other(i may be wrong on that one). Why would they even keep it a secret, even from the royal guard?specially when all it takes to find out his positions is to go to the king house. Why would a monster that is psycally weaker that even a kid whitout arms is put is such position whitout any kind of protection or help? specially whit how concern Asgore is whit everyone safety. Why would he only do his job when you are lv 19 when you are still clearly a treat to the king at lower levels? Why is he so out of shape? evey other soldier is train and can keep fighting indefinitly, but Sans completly exaust himself after a while to the point he can even stay concious, wich is something that could be solve whit training, and one would asume that "the last line of defense" would be force to train constantly.
Why is there never any mention or alution to a "last line of defense" or "royal judge"(as so many people likes to call it) even existing? things like this this would normally be aluded to or implied on the game whit some kind of hiden dialog or evidence.
@@tadeolaguarda6965 Sans is the Arbiter of the Underground. He is the one character other then maybe Flowey that follows and watches us intently throughout our journey, and at the end he is the final judge that gets to decide whether or not you're allowed to go see Asgore. The reason he doesn't stop you normally even if you're violent? He tells you exactly why during his fight, he knows it wouldn't matter. He knows about your ability to reset, and he knows that even if you go on to kill Asgore then you'll just reset and go back. He also knows that he probably can't stop you, so doesn't bother trying unless the timeline is at risk of total eradication, which is why he stops you on genocide. If you didn't have the ability to reset then he'd probably stop you at anything above like, LOVE 5ish, as that's when he specifically points out that yeah you probably killed some people on purpose, that's way too high to be just self defence.
Sans *is* alluded toward being of importance in the kingdom, he's known all across the Underground and follows you incessantly, making a mental note of everything you do. He's implied to have some kind of history with Alphys and Sans also stated in the XBox version that Asgore came to the resort once to watch his show, laughing at his puns and overall having a good time. In his fight he also says "Guess I'm good at my job, huh?" which implies that he is working for someone, it's not just something he's doing for a personal reason he's stopping you because it's his job to do so.
@@tadeolaguarda6965 Sans would hide why he is in the Royal Guard is because of his brother that tries to get there despite Undyne not allowing him because of his kindhearted personality.
So of course he would hide an fact that he got in the royal guard because of his younger brother.
What about jevil of spade king, according to the backstory of seam, jevil was the joker of the kingdom and was happily accepted at the kingdom. This means that jevilis also by stand of king and can fight for king. AND you know how powerful jevil is and i think jevil can handle undyne and his true form
jevil thinks his cell is freedom and the kingdom is the trapped one, he wouldnt budge
bro i'm sorry i'm only 2 mins in but: the CORE enemies work for Mettaton, not Asgore. Mettaton literally says that he hired them to kill you lmao
also something you didnt say about the Kings army but I think is important is that even though his army is large, his subjects all hate him. i cant see them sticking with him for long lol
deltarune chapter 1 enemies because they respawn lol
So do ch2
You just... Forgot papyrus and sans in asgore's army, sure sans wont do much unless he has a reason too, but papyrus is strong in his own right
@vimies5746
i mean seam is in king army and maybe jevil
@@chongwillson972 jevil is not in spade army, also he would kill spade army too
Actually, you did miss something that would make the Spade King op
*JEVIL*
If they let him fight the other two armies hed only need to deal with a bit cuz Jevil would of already wiped out most of the armies members DEFINITELY KILLING SOMEONE LIKE UNDYNE id say if you let him fight you could let Asgore and Giga Queen in
tbh jevil would not accept, as he thinks that hes actually free and the outside is prison, and also if he did hed also kill spade kings army, also he doesnt count as he is not in the army
@@bloodrinker No, *All We Need To Tell Him Is That Its A Game And He Gets To Be Free Again After Hes Done Playing* =)
@@Bedrock367 i dont think he would buy this, as he is insane and believes he is free
i can't say anything about Asgores army but i can say that you gave Kings and Queens army to much credit. to point out, K.Round is not working for the King he's a neutral party, and Roulx was BSing with the controll crown, on top of that, Star Walkers and Scissor Dancers might or might not be part of the army, Clover do strike me as being a top ranking member but the relation about being part of the army or being at all some kind of soilder is questionable, nithereless she is one of the strongest. as for Queen, yes her army is strong and is precented acurett we need to ask who actually is in it, the Werewires are forced in to it so they do count for the purpose but should we count Tasque? is Tasque a being able to be part of it? if we see Saque as being beasts and Tasque Manager as being a Beast master then it counts, the Ambulances are striking me more as a police force than army material but there use to be no diference between a "Police" and soilder so by thinking that the Police force and army are the same entity then we can give her that these are part of her army for probably home defence (thinking about ViruVirukun). the Swatchlings are are directivly working for her but are they really army people? are they just butlers or are they more akin to asgores royal guards who also take part in a butler role and i would give this to queen as well since servent ellet soilders is a trope that excist in ficton and used to in real life. WereWerewirer... it's hard to tell if they are part of the army since they cut the cord and it insinuates freedom from the mind controll, i can't defend this one as well as i defended the others so i would not attribute it to Queen. i do think Swatches is strong since he's the leader of the swatchlings so he probably is strong or atleast knows how to command and he would do a good job being the leader. giving queen Berdly is ok but is a bit questionable since he was only around for less than a day, so would he really count?
Cool! So are you gonna say who the strongest army is or nah?
he did, it was queens
King and queen are lucky papyrus wasn’t in the royals guard he would solo both army’s by himself
does sans and papyrus counts as royal guards? i mean papyrus is not a official royal guard but sans is working as a judgement of the underground. Also he supposed to kill the humans if he didn't gave a promise so i guess he counts
Sans does count since he is oficially a sentry for the royal guard, though that of being a judge is mostly fanmade, there is no real evidence to say that´s an actual position he has under Asgore
@@tadeolaguarda6965 though tbh i dont think sans would stand a chance, as he has limited stamina, and can only dodge an easy slash 21 times
Epic fight sans vs jevil vs Spamtone
*I don't know how to says it's name*
i think you just have to remove the e at the end
burgley fighting undying when undying uses determination and almost kills burgley
burgley:...GAMERS DONT DIE THEY RESPAWN
*proseeds to smash bros the fuck out of undying
Lmao imagine if that would actually happen.
@@MetaFictionEdits
i mean berdly can take on determination without dying like undyne
@@chongwillson972 Monsters in Deltarune > Monsters in Undertale.
Cause Monsters in Undertale had one great weakness - their bodies was made of magic and thus not being winstand even fraction of power of determination (Undyne is exception but even she couldn't become somewhat fully Undying and immortal)
While in Deltarune, monsters has bodies made of... Not magic. These are biological based bodies similar to humans and thus anyone determined enough can handle it.
So yeah, while i think Undyne would win in most Hand to hand fights, the lack of power to have Determination is what would made her lose (Although her Deltarune counterpart can handle it)
Source: Susie being able to bleed.
(And a lot of other evidence, although monsters still turn to dust when die since it's just their nature)
Could you count papyrus
Queen's army wins. Queen just insults Asgore on twitter to demoralize him, and overpower King
Sans is under Asgore. If they were ever fighting a bad person (cough,cough) Queen,King,
Sans would solo.
Asgore absolutely wins
It's so goofy to think Birdly would have the same HP and attack as a party member than as a Boss, Toby has stated multiple times he won't be consistent over stats.
Lancer for example has different stats EVERY SINGLE TIME
Hes absolutely destroying the king thats for sure, but queen? dont think so, especially with that gigantic robot. It took literally everyone’s power to even match the queen’s power, and EVEN THEN they lost. The queen’s robot is still completely functional. plus im pretty sure she can create mini versions of the robot things, and sans literally got killed by one person. sans struggles against multiple enemies. Heck, im pretty sure even 2 ruddins will give sans quite a bit of trouble.
Sans dosn´t depend just on the enemy being a bad person, it depends mostly on them comiting lots of murders, and as far as i know, they haven´t really kill anyone have they? Also, Sans atacks would probably do s**t agains Queen mecha
sans would die easily, he can only dodge a measly slash 21 times, bullet hell enemys such as every enemy would destroy him
Alright but wheres fandom gaster in asgores army?? (Insert why gaster was the first royal scientist and he has 6666 and 666 stats blah blah)
Aren’t papyrus and dans part of the royal guard. Also mettaton neo is aligned with the alphys which is aligned with the king.
Sans is the judge, we assume Asgore put him there but there is not much evidence of that, the problem I see from a lot of people is that if sans were to fight sans from deltarune.!I say to that is delta sans( deltarune sans) would absolutely beat sans undertale, for one reason, resets. Sans in undertale fights you at then end of the game to hope to see you quit the slim chance even tho he knows that it would never happen and he would die. Dying does not help him because he knows he would just come back every single time. However, deltarune sans, the way I see this is deltarune is the product of the genocide rune since chara says let’s erase this would and move on to the next. And if you were to got into your game files and erase all saves
And reset then it would be like you are playing for the first time. Which means sans does not remember because there is nothing to remember. And the only place you can save and reset is in the dark world. Which means sans has something to fight for. That means that sans undertale would help sure, but it would make little difference from the out come. Now for the Roaring knight, who is stronger then anything we faced yeah idk about that guy. Anyway you forgot one more army, Spamton. He has to have the largest Amy of peps ( idk how to spell it so I’m calling it this) that burst into spamton heads that deal a lot of damage per one peps.
You can save in the light world if you manipulate the files
That is true and it’s a great argument, if we were talking about undertale because in undertale, manipulating the files is known in the game. Even in the mega flowey fight he kills the player every time they reload file 1 and 2. However in deltarune as far as I know there is no direct talk about game files and the player is not known. We assume the player exists because from undertale but we don’t have confirmation yet. Going by that if the player does not exist that means there should be no one who can change the files in deltarune, of course this is based of off the player not existing in deltarune, but instead chara who seems to have access but can’t change anything in deltarune.
This can be unproven in later chapters so don’t put me on my word
Actually, we know nothing abaut Sans deltarune, as far as we know he may not even able to fight or use magic at all, or he may be the same exact Sans than in Undertale, or he may be stronger than Sans Undertale because he is not depres, we don´t know so we shouldn´t judge wether he would win or lose fights
@@tadeolaguarda6965 yeah that is true. My argument is full of
Assumptions using things we know from undertale and deltarune, so I hope this would be cleared up in chapter 3 , 4 , or 5
If only it was inverted fate instead of undertale
Oh well it’s asgore and the underground We barely see any of the underground so there can easily be hundreds of royal guards ignoring undyne and well sans is actually a royal guard he just doesn’t feel like taking his job seriously and well there is papyrus technically