Hey Holden! I would love to see you do an analysis/examination of the film/book “Boy Erased.” It is a movie(with Russell Crowe and Nicole Kidman) that came out a few years ago that is based on a memoir that recounts an experience with LGBT conversion therapy. The author talks about what the experience was like and tries to navigate being both gay and Christian. I would love to hear what you think about it and maybe you could look at some of the conversion techniques shown and explain why they are anti-Christian or illogical. I really enjoy your less common videos such as analysis/vlogs/documentary. Always love your content❤
I (Atheist) never liked the story of the Fall. I have never understood why people consider the decision Eve & Adam's choice to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge, and then be punished, to be fair. But I see no reason why Adam & Eve would be able to understand the warning God gave them or the morality of that choice. The Tree of Knowledge is the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Adam and Eve don't have the knowledge of Good & Evil so expecting them to be able to make the correct moral choice, and then punishing them is wrong. Especially since Eve was manipulated by the snake. The Ariel analogy also doesn't fully hold up--well it does but in the bad way. Ariel is a child who was manipulated by Ursula to make a bad choice and is punished for it. There's a reason why children (minors) can't give consent or do certain legal things (like marriage, living alone, etc) because they aren't fully developed and don't have good enough knowledge or experience about their choices. They have to be taught some of it by others and learn some of it on their own. The story of Adam and Eve feels like this but even more so. They don't have any knowledge of good and evil until after they eat the fruit--where which they then realise the badness of what they had done. But they're still punished--for a choice they had no tools of correctly making. If they should have "just listened to God", and don't need justification then that's wrong. If God is truly good and not arbitrary, then he should never have to say "because I told you so". He should explain why he says so so they can understand and be better. Eve had no reason to assume the snake was lying or evil. She had no knowledge of evil. And she had no knowledge of deception and the idea that other people will try and trick and harm her. And trick her into harming herself. But I enjoyed the video, and like the new channel!! Look forward to seeing more videos. I like the Christian message that God is so loving that he is willing to take the consequences on our behalf despite our punishment being fair. I just disagree with the justifications of why we should originally consider our punishment being fair in the first place.
If a parent tells their kid not to touch the hot stove, regardless of if they say the reason is you will get burned, and the kid touches the stove anyway, there's still a consequence, the child gets burned. Just because the reasoning isn't given up front doesn't change the consequence of our actions. Someone who doesn't know or understand murder is a crime would still be punished if they murder someone. Also, you're example that children aren't fully developed and can't make their own choices is why we have adults care for them. And until they are old enough to understand more things about the world, it pretty much goes "just listen to mom and dad." Same with Adam and Eve. They didn't know any better, so the best that they could go off of is "just listen to God." However, they deliberately disobeyed the one thing God told them not to do, and so reaped the consequences of it. One last example about a child and a parent, if a child hits their younger sibling there would and should be consequences (time-out, grounded, etc.). They may not know it's wrong, but the parents do, and therefore punish them.
@@JacobPasqualeI understand and agree, but those punishments aren’t and shouldn’t be permanent. Because the whole point of teaching children right and wrong is so that they can know better for future decisions. There’s no other way besides teaching and experience. But that’s not true for God and Adam and Eve. They are adults with the ability to reason. If God have them the knowledge of good & evil, and told them, then they might not have disobeyed God. The only reason “because I said so” can be a valid justification is if they can’t/won’t understand the justification. That’s not the case with Adam & Eve. God could have made them the ability to understand but instead decided to test them on something they had no ability or understanding to fulfil. It’s even unclear how much Adam & Eve even understand the consequences. “You will die”. Death is completely unknown to them and if God meant this as a metaphor for spiritual death and separation from God, then it’s even more unreasonable to expect them to understand what it means.
@@ryanratchford2530 It seems like the focus of the test was less about whether or not they would eat the fruit, and more whether or not they would choose to listen to God. I think that’s the point. They weren’t given the entire justification because they were meant to love and obey God enough to just trust that He knew best. I think the idea of “just listen to God” isn’t as bad as you think it is because God is the definition good. You can always be sure that what He says is the right thing to do. However, you can’t do the same with people because they may not actually know what is best. And they also don’t have the authority over the universe that God has. I think you are trying to equate the fallacy of blindly trusting others with blindly trusting God. You’re forgetting that if anyone is to be blindly trusted it would be God. And I don’t even think it can be called blind trust because that implies you don’t truly know if someone can be trusted. From an understanding of who God is you trust Him without need for further explanation because you know that He is good. And that’s all the explanation you need. You know that He is always worthy of your trust.
I believe you can see how every human is born to be corrupted. We all choose evil many points of our lives and are impulsive at others. Being cleaned can only be possible Thanks to GOD's Work in us, and the thing is He Never stops Working to Save us
Because man like adam is a wicked criminal who had to be chastised for his own benefit. It's for the purification of the bloodlines and the need to have the infinite atonement Christ reconcile us with God who elsewise should give us over to the eternal fire
She put Nala in danger 😂
Hey Holden! I would love to see you do an analysis/examination of the film/book “Boy Erased.” It is a movie(with Russell Crowe and Nicole Kidman) that came out a few years ago that is based on a memoir that recounts an experience with LGBT conversion therapy. The author talks about what the experience was like and tries to navigate being both gay and Christian. I would love to hear what you think about it and maybe you could look at some of the conversion techniques shown and explain why they are anti-Christian or illogical. I really enjoy your less common videos such as analysis/vlogs/documentary. Always love your content❤
You should talk about the scene from The Whale, when he talks to the missionary!🤩
0:42 this kinda reminds me of me right now with my little sister lol
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I (Atheist) never liked the story of the Fall.
I have never understood why people consider the decision Eve & Adam's choice to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge, and then be punished, to be fair. But I see no reason why Adam & Eve would be able to understand the warning God gave them or the morality of that choice. The Tree of Knowledge is the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Adam and Eve don't have the knowledge of Good & Evil so expecting them to be able to make the correct moral choice, and then punishing them is wrong. Especially since Eve was manipulated by the snake. The Ariel analogy also doesn't fully hold up--well it does but in the bad way. Ariel is a child who was manipulated by Ursula to make a bad choice and is punished for it. There's a reason why children (minors) can't give consent or do certain legal things (like marriage, living alone, etc) because they aren't fully developed and don't have good enough knowledge or experience about their choices. They have to be taught some of it by others and learn some of it on their own.
The story of Adam and Eve feels like this but even more so. They don't have any knowledge of good and evil until after they eat the fruit--where which they then realise the badness of what they had done. But they're still punished--for a choice they had no tools of correctly making. If they should have "just listened to God", and don't need justification then that's wrong. If God is truly good and not arbitrary, then he should never have to say "because I told you so". He should explain why he says so so they can understand and be better. Eve had no reason to assume the snake was lying or evil. She had no knowledge of evil. And she had no knowledge of deception and the idea that other people will try and trick and harm her. And trick her into harming herself.
But I enjoyed the video, and like the new channel!! Look forward to seeing more videos.
I like the Christian message that God is so loving that he is willing to take the consequences on our behalf despite our punishment being fair. I just disagree with the justifications of why we should originally consider our punishment being fair in the first place.
If a parent tells their kid not to touch the hot stove, regardless of if they say the reason is you will get burned, and the kid touches the stove anyway, there's still a consequence, the child gets burned. Just because the reasoning isn't given up front doesn't change the consequence of our actions. Someone who doesn't know or understand murder is a crime would still be punished if they murder someone.
Also, you're example that children aren't fully developed and can't make their own choices is why we have adults care for them. And until they are old enough to understand more things about the world, it pretty much goes "just listen to mom and dad." Same with Adam and Eve. They didn't know any better, so the best that they could go off of is "just listen to God." However, they deliberately disobeyed the one thing God told them not to do, and so reaped the consequences of it. One last example about a child and a parent, if a child hits their younger sibling there would and should be consequences (time-out, grounded, etc.). They may not know it's wrong, but the parents do, and therefore punish them.
@@JacobPasqualeI understand and agree, but those punishments aren’t and shouldn’t be permanent. Because the whole point of teaching children right and wrong is so that they can know better for future decisions. There’s no other way besides teaching and experience.
But that’s not true for God and Adam and Eve.
They are adults with the ability to reason. If God have them the knowledge of good & evil, and told them, then they might not have disobeyed God.
The only reason “because I said so” can be a valid justification is if they can’t/won’t understand the justification. That’s not the case with Adam & Eve. God could have made them the ability to understand but instead decided to test them on something they had no ability or understanding to fulfil. It’s even unclear how much Adam & Eve even understand the consequences. “You will die”. Death is completely unknown to them and if God meant this as a metaphor for spiritual death and separation from God, then it’s even more unreasonable to expect them to understand what it means.
@@ryanratchford2530 It seems like the focus of the test was less about whether or not they would eat the fruit, and more whether or not they would choose to listen to God. I think that’s the point. They weren’t given the entire justification because they were meant to love and obey God enough to just trust that He knew best. I think the idea of “just listen to God” isn’t as bad as you think it is because God is the definition good. You can always be sure that what He says is the right thing to do. However, you can’t do the same with people because they may not actually know what is best. And they also don’t have the authority over the universe that God has. I think you are trying to equate the fallacy of blindly trusting others with blindly trusting God. You’re forgetting that if anyone is to be blindly trusted it would be God. And I don’t even think it can be called blind trust because that implies you don’t truly know if someone can be trusted. From an understanding of who God is you trust Him without need for further explanation because you know that He is good. And that’s all the explanation you need. You know that He is always worthy of your trust.
I believe you can see how every human is born to be corrupted. We all choose evil many points of our lives and are impulsive at others. Being cleaned can only be possible Thanks to GOD's Work in us, and the thing is He Never stops Working to Save us
Because man like adam is a wicked criminal who had to be chastised for his own benefit. It's for the purification of the bloodlines and the need to have the infinite atonement Christ reconcile us with God who elsewise should give us over to the eternal fire