this is the best visualization you've done IMO. Having the track layout always present is a huge help to those trying to understand what course they are looking at straight away given you are presenting the visuals in angles not often seen. Perfect, no notes...except the above ;)
Well it‘s also important to note that this years Spa quali in F1 was in damp conditions. They would‘ve been 3-4 secs faster on a completely dry track with rubber on it. Max‘s pole time last season was a 1:43.66 and this years pole time from Max a 46.1… The Ferrari would‘ve probably done a low 1:43 this year and Max probably a sub 43.
@jonasjonaitis8571 Yeah, no shit. That thing had no regs. If a current F1 car could lose as much weight as the teams would want and have no fuel flow/ engine mode restrictions then it would absolutely destroy the 919 EVO.
For the one who is confused hypercar power is restricted to 700hp to 650 hp and the hybrid power will come after 190kmh ,it 's weight is also adjusted by bop like 1030 to 1080 kg if the power and hybrid of the 499p is not capped it will the cloqns car in dust
let's make a comparison between the cars... F1: ~ 1000hp - 789kg - hp per ton: 1250 ~ 750kg downforce @ 100mph - Tyres: 305mm front, 405mm rear - Tyre Life: around 100km are usually around the maximum for the soft tyres used in comparison - cost per year: 140.000.000€ Hypercar - 680hp (subject to BoP, but that's base power in the rules) - laptime here is with 692hp - 1030kg (subject to BoP, but that's the lowest weight in the rules) - laptime shown with 1040kg - hp per ton: 660 (laptime shown: 665) - 4:1 downforce to drag ratio ~ 650kg downforce @ 100mph (calculated weight) - Tyres: 300mm front, 310mm rear - Tyre Life: average stint would be around 170km, but tyres can hold over double and triple stints. - No tyre warmers - cost per year: 10.000.000€ conclusion: F1 has almost double the hp per ton far better tyres, way more downforce and costs around 14 times as much. Nothing surprising to see here And now that I have your attention: I can only suggest for everyone watching here to go ahead and watch a WEC race. The races are uploaded in full for free on the FIA WEC RUclips channel a couple of weeks later, so even if you are unable to watch it live (due to it either not being broadcasted in your area or you're not willing to pay the 30$ WEC broadcast) you can catch up on them there.
possibly my favourite RUclips acc ever. I'm such a damn nerd and I love the maths, splits and comparisons in the racing world etc. Thank you for all your work!
They are not so fast. LMP1 was faster than Hypercars. But for a car which cost around max 10 million comparing to the 150 million car it's amazingly fast.
Great video and content! Please make sure the map orientation matches the direction of the cars, though. Like, when the cars turn right, they go right (not left) on the map.
really hoping we'll get to 2020 speeds again soon. even F1 itself has a "F1 for beginners - Everything you need to know about F1" animation video on their site since march where the cars hit 370 kmph. Can't remember the last time this speed has been achieved in a race. Feels like the cars are so slow and sluggish now.
I love the video! I will say that maybe using Spa data for the comparision is a bit unfair since Spa for the WEC car was much much much colder and really damp as well so the tyres had no windows to properly work I would love to see a Monza comparision coming the F1 round to the temple of speed.
ngl with you guys, sometimes f1 is so fast and perfect that i usually take it as a normal thing, from the pitstops (try the boblox f1 pitstop game to further understand my point), the car, the driver, etc. Now i've realized that its takes tons of hard works from everyone to make this sport reach the highest point of motorsport (maybe)
LMP1 is much faster than Hypercar Class! LMP1 have higher horse power and lower weight at only 930 to 985 KG correct me if I am mistaken. FIA WEC limited the horse power of Hypercar to 700 to 670 HP only. They also made it heavier at 1030 KG.The Hypercar can match this Formula 1 race car if it has 1,000 plus HP and lighter than 1,000 KG. The Formula 1 here have more than 1,000 HP and it is like only under 800 KG in weight. The result is not surprising to me. In the past the Porsche 919 Evo unrestricted ran faster than the Formula 1 of Red Bull and Mercedes-Benz. Toyota's LMP1 at the time can also match a Formula 1 IF UNRESTRICTED. I was a bit disappointed to Le Mans Hypercar because I thought they will bring back supercars and hypercars on the road to be used as race cars in the racing circuit but it all cars was purpose built race cars that never resembled any road car hypercar or supercar. I do hope next years Hypercar will look more like road cars modified for the racing circuit to become race cars! Hypercars, LMP1 & LMP2 body the design, I want the shark fins to go away or to be remove because it makes the race car look more ugly!
awesome to have this comparison. if i can add a bit of constructive criticism, the track is flipped compared to the real one and makes it a little confusing. still awesome video!
Curious with 2026 F1 rule changes, estimations of the ICE producing about 500-550hp, and an electric motor about 500hp, the numbers get awfully close to the same power, but probably about 75kg lighter than the LMP1 hybrids of 2015. For sure, F1 cars are going to slow down. They will still be faster than hypercar class, but would they still be much faster than the LMP1 hybrid golden era?
which cars are most competitive with f1 cars around a track? there is no point comparing uncompetitive cars that are over 14 seconds behind in a single lap
Can you please do Indycar vs F1 car. In indy500 this year, some top cars averaged 233+mph in the qualifying. In F1, most cars do their drs overtake around 310-350kph range. It would be awesome to see the comparison at least in a circuit that is not oval.
Indy car gets destroyed by F1 everywhere except ovals. F1 corners so much better and has much better acceleration. You’d need a track with massively long straights for the Indy car to catch up. Still would be overall slower lap times.
can you do this for 2015-2017 hybrid lmp1s too please? That would be amazing to see the difference, as the p1s were way faster than hypercars, thanks you
Straight line speeds are influenced by many factors. Remember it’s not a drag race where both cars are starting out at the same speed. A straight is generally preceded by a corner. The car that can corner at higher speed will exit a corner at a higher speed, allowing it to begin the straight at a higher speed. F1 has more power as well. The advantage a prototype has over and f1 can’t be appreciated because of addl weight, less power and aero constraints of prototypes these days, that advantage is superior downforce to drag ratio.
the brakes of an f1 car must be incredible. when you look at onboards from spa, the cars are a full throttle 100 metres before the chicane following the kemmel-straight and start breaking 75-50 metres before the turn
If you mean just laptime no, the F1 car would still dominate. It's just a faster car. But if you meant the actual race itself, the 499P would win because the SF23 probably wouldn't finish
@@jonaskussama In fact I’m wrong. I was just wondering if the gap between f1 and wec would be smaller or different. A circuit with more straights like monza would be great 😄
@@Beau_Rivage You're right, I found this footage of it - ruclips.net/video/LW-Ps8onKUA/видео.html&ab_channel=RalliTurkTV - but I couldn't find the lap time
@@LeSurfavecNicothe issue for WEC cars are corner speed, at Monza, for main straight F1 will be faster because F1 will be 80kph mor than WEC cars at the end of Parabolica so F1 start the « straight race » with big advantage.
There's a chance for us to see the gap differences in Qatar WEC next season compared to this F1 season on Qatar, considering the upgrade package for LMDh and LMH per year... (if BoP not messing it)
So. There is a fundamental problem with the SF23 comparison. The assumption is that it won’t blow up, due for engineering incompetence. It won’t spin off due to driver incompetence . And that it will be on track in time due to team management incompetence.
Now compare with it the Toyota TS050 Hybrid 2017 or Porsche 919 Hybrid 2017 Even while lifting and coasting every corner they both managed to do a 1:53. They probably would run 1:50 or 1:49 without lift and coast. And without battery, fuel and aero package restriction (like the 919 evo), they would be as fast as the W11 depending on the driver skill and the amount of preparation/practice. For example Neel Jani in a 919 evo was faster than Bottas (Q3) in a W11 but slower than Hamilton (level of preparation Q3). So the driver skill is very important to give us the full potential of the car but also the amount of training and preparation.
@@jaiganticpooey3012 Yeah I know but FIA LMP1 are way more restricred than F1 cars Even the 919 evo is still restricted in some kind of way. It is just unrestricted in comparaison to the LMP1 regulations not absolutely unrestricted, or the car would be way faster than an F1 to the point that it would be undrivable. Same issue would go with an absolutely unrestricted F1 car. So you should get my point.
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this is the best visualization you've done IMO. Having the track layout always present is a huge help to those trying to understand what course they are looking at straight away given you are presenting the visuals in angles not often seen.
Perfect, no notes...except the above ;)
Glad you enjoyed the video! We have more to come :)
Only too bad that the cars are moving in the other direction 😂 Would be nice if they’re moving in the same direction
I agree, it was the only criticism I could think of in his other videos.
@@RoysIdea Or on a track that isn't mirrored.
It’s not perfect… the track map is completely incorrect. It’s mirrored. Spa is a clockwise track.
It's incredible how the SF23 is gaining time on the 499P basically everywhere on track.
Well it has better tires, more downforce, more hp, and less weight
"It's incredible that the faster car is the faster car"
@@adamn7125and F1 is a lot larger
Well LMH is much slower than the old LMP1.
@@taylorknight5702 "When you qualified first well you have an advantage on everyone because you start at the first line"
Hypercar: only 23 hours 57 minutes to go. Lets see who breaks first
I'd love to see f1-like cars racing endurance
F1 engine is projected to last 2000 km more or less , so can run smoothly for 12 hour
just enjoy the comparison
@@iTecKnOIt would take a miracle for that car to run smoothly for 12 hours without considerably turning the engine down so temps are safe.
@@iTecKnObut not non-stop mate
Well it‘s also important to note that this years Spa quali in F1 was in damp conditions. They would‘ve been 3-4 secs faster on a completely dry track with rubber on it. Max‘s pole time last season was a 1:43.66 and this years pole time from Max a 46.1… The Ferrari would‘ve probably done a low 1:43 this year and Max probably a sub 43.
@jonasjonaitis8571 Which is still slower than the Mercedes W11
@jonasjonaitis8571well if we are comlaring it to the best car F1 can put against it im pretty sure 2020 Mercendes will destroy it
@jonasjonaitis8571porsche evo would still be slower then 2020 Mercedes F1
@jonasjonaitis8571 Yeah, no shit. That thing had no regs.
If a current F1 car could lose as much weight as the teams would want and have no fuel flow/ engine mode restrictions then it would absolutely destroy the 919 EVO.
Don't forget Hyperclass did it in cold and damp conditions, that's even worse.
For the one who is confused hypercar power is restricted to 700hp to 650 hp and the hybrid power will come after 190kmh ,it 's weight is also adjusted by bop like 1030 to 1080 kg if the power and hybrid of the 499p is not capped it will the cloqns car in dust
it would still lose, even with 2000 Horsepower, cause it is then faster on the straight, but not on the turns
Would love to see this with the W11 and 919 Evo!
919 Evo ran a 1:41.7 around Spa
@@jackcharles8243and the W11 was 1.41.25 (according to google)
@@jackcharles8243Very impressive, but still slower than the W11, W09, and the Ferrari SF71H
@@jackcharles8243 And the W11 ran a 1:41.25
@@rockmoralesw10 also
let's make a comparison between the cars...
F1:
~ 1000hp
- 789kg
- hp per ton: 1250
~ 750kg downforce @ 100mph
- Tyres: 305mm front, 405mm rear
- Tyre Life: around 100km are usually around the maximum for the soft tyres used in comparison
- cost per year: 140.000.000€
Hypercar
- 680hp (subject to BoP, but that's base power in the rules) - laptime here is with 692hp
- 1030kg (subject to BoP, but that's the lowest weight in the rules) - laptime shown with 1040kg
- hp per ton: 660 (laptime shown: 665)
- 4:1 downforce to drag ratio
~ 650kg downforce @ 100mph (calculated weight)
- Tyres: 300mm front, 310mm rear
- Tyre Life: average stint would be around 170km, but tyres can hold over double and triple stints.
- No tyre warmers
- cost per year: 10.000.000€
conclusion:
F1 has almost double the hp per ton far better tyres, way more downforce and costs around 14 times as much.
Nothing surprising to see here
And now that I have your attention: I can only suggest for everyone watching here to go ahead and watch a WEC race. The races are uploaded in full for free on the FIA WEC RUclips channel a couple of weeks later, so even if you are unable to watch it live (due to it either not being broadcasted in your area or you're not willing to pay the 30$ WEC broadcast) you can catch up on them there.
WEC is much better but most F1 fans just want to see the fastest cars race
Niga its not just about the horsepower clown
The map silhouette on the corner is best addition to your videos! Good job
possibly my favourite RUclips acc ever. I'm such a damn nerd and I love the maths, splits and comparisons in the racing world etc. Thank you for all your work!
Wow, the Hypercar is so fast, it has to keep stopping to let the F1 car catch up! Amazing stuff.
The warp technology is so OP on the 499P
Tf
They are not so fast. LMP1 was faster than Hypercars. But for a car which cost around max 10 million comparing to the 150 million car it's amazingly fast.
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Great video and content! Please make sure the map orientation matches the direction of the cars, though. Like, when the cars turn right, they go right (not left) on the map.
A sprinter vs an endurance racer, awesome to see how little speed they actually gave up for crazy endurance
These videos are incredible, keep it up!
And the fact that w11 went around 1:42 is even more insane
1:41
track was a bit damp in qualifying
2020 cars were much fater than todays
really hoping we'll get to 2020 speeds again soon.
even F1 itself has a "F1 for beginners - Everything you need to know about F1" animation video on their site since march where the cars hit 370 kmph. Can't remember the last time this speed has been achieved in a race. Feels like the cars are so slow and sluggish now.
@@frankhuurman3955the Alpines were hitting 340 on the kemmel straight on Sunday.
My only complaint is your map of spa is reversed. Very entertaining video
I love the video! I will say that maybe using Spa data for the comparision is a bit unfair since Spa for the WEC car was much much much colder and really damp as well so the tyres had no windows to properly work I would love to see a Monza comparision coming the F1 round to the temple of speed.
It never ceases to amaze me how short an F1 car makes even the most challenging tracks look
You should make a comparison between the slowest F1 cars in recent times (2014) to the fastest WEC cars like the Porsche 919 Hybrid
Isn't that like comparing Usain Bolt to a marathon runner ?
Yes but is a good demonstration of the difference
No, because the F1 car is not specifically designed for straight line speed, both cars are designed to lap a race circuit as fast as they can.
@@BeanOMaskren No, the comment is correct, the LMP1 cars have to drive for 24 hours whereas the F1 car does not.
I want to see a f1 season with no car limitations
The map being mirrored messed with my brain :p
I'm waiting for the Master Clock, and delta-time, instead of having to clocks showing the same time.
Would have been good to see the comparison in the chicane, anyways great videos
While I like the addition of the map, used to enjoy trying to figure out the track.
Great video as always.
ngl with you guys, sometimes f1 is so fast and perfect that i usually take it as a normal thing, from the pitstops (try the boblox f1 pitstop game to further understand my point), the car, the driver, etc. Now i've realized that its takes tons of hard works from everyone to make this sport reach the highest point of motorsport (maybe)
The map track is inverted 😢
LMP1 is much faster than Hypercar Class! LMP1 have higher horse power and lower weight at only 930 to 985 KG correct me if I am mistaken. FIA WEC limited the horse power of Hypercar to 700 to 670 HP only. They also made it heavier at 1030 KG.The Hypercar can match this Formula 1 race car if it has 1,000 plus HP and lighter than 1,000 KG. The Formula 1 here have more than 1,000 HP and it is like only under 800 KG in weight. The result is not surprising to me. In the past the Porsche 919 Evo unrestricted ran faster than the Formula 1 of Red Bull and Mercedes-Benz. Toyota's LMP1 at the time can also match a Formula 1 IF UNRESTRICTED. I was a bit disappointed to Le Mans Hypercar because I thought they will bring back supercars and hypercars on the road to be used as race cars in the racing circuit but it all cars was purpose built race cars that never resembled any road car hypercar or supercar. I do hope next years Hypercar will look more like road cars modified for the racing circuit to become race cars! Hypercars, LMP1 & LMP2 body the design, I want the shark fins to go away or to be remove because it makes the race car look more ugly!
awesome to have this comparison. if i can add a bit of constructive criticism, the track is flipped compared to the real one and makes it a little confusing. still awesome video!
Do you have a motogp vs f1? Im just curious how this two compares. Great videos!
Some ideas: F1 vs Indy, F1 vs Formula-E
Awesome content
Great!! Why opposite drive?
i knew the gap was considerable but YEEESHHH
Curious with 2026 F1 rule changes, estimations of the ICE producing about 500-550hp, and an electric motor about 500hp, the numbers get awfully close to the same power, but probably about 75kg lighter than the LMP1 hybrids of 2015. For sure, F1 cars are going to slow down. They will still be faster than hypercar class, but would they still be much faster than the LMP1 hybrid golden era?
They'll be much faster than LMP1
Why is the minimap reversed? It took me ages to realise this is meant to be Spa
a eau rouge comparison would be sick to see
Awesome vid as usual, but am i the only one that noticed the map is backwards?
Love how you have the track image the wrong way around
You either have the track outline mirrored, or the on-screen comparison... One makes a left turn, the other makes a right turn. 🏁
Thanks! Nice piece of data vis. Does the software allow for lateral forces display? Max vs everyone else has been fascinating. All the best
Why was the mini-map a mirror image of the main track? When the car was turning right on the visualisation, it's turning left on the minimap...?
I'd like to see Hypercar vs F2
Fantastic! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I didnt expect the difference to be that large!
which cars are most competitive with f1 cars around a track? there is no point comparing uncompetitive cars that are over 14 seconds behind in a single lap
I assume super formula, F2, indycar
Amazing video!
Obviously the F1 wins in a landslide, but honestly, for what it is, the Hypercar did pretty well imo!
WEC has restrictions just like F1. A hypercar without restrictions, like 919 hybrid evo would possibly be the most well rounded car for speed freaks
I love these videos
good video but why is the track map backwards
The route graph in the upper right corner is mirrored upside down
Comparing w 919evo tribute would be interesting!
Can you please do Indycar vs F1 car.
In indy500 this year, some top cars averaged 233+mph in the qualifying.
In F1, most cars do their drs overtake around 310-350kph range.
It would be awesome to see the comparison at least in a circuit that is not oval.
Indy car gets destroyed by F1 everywhere except ovals. F1 corners so much better and has much better acceleration. You’d need a track with massively long straights for the Indy car to catch up. Still would be overall slower lap times.
There is an on board comparison around COTA.
Spa goes clockwise.
11/5000
What kind of software does it use?
Thank you for this lol. Seeing all the F1 vs Hypercar drag races is super ridiculous because that's really not what an F1 car is built for
Carwow racing a f1, motogp and wrc car in a drag race lol
I'd like to see F1 vs Formula E
It's like the Ferrari F1 says, "Ah, you think you're a hypercar...how cute!"
Nice video, but is there a reason why you mirrored the track image in the upper right corner?
can you do this for 2015-2017 hybrid lmp1s too please? That would be amazing to see the difference, as the p1s were way faster than hypercars, thanks you
The track in the top right being inverted really triggers me lol
very solid content
I thought hypercars were faster in straights. This was a great comparison!
Straight line speeds are influenced by many factors. Remember it’s not a drag race where both cars are starting out at the same speed. A straight is generally preceded by a corner. The car that can corner at higher speed will exit a corner at a higher speed, allowing it to begin the straight at a higher speed. F1 has more power as well. The advantage a prototype has over and f1 can’t be appreciated because of addl weight, less power and aero constraints of prototypes these days, that advantage is superior downforce to drag ratio.
LMP1s used to be, but hypercars are much slower
331 km/h for toyota if i'm not mistake...
My god the mirrored Spa in the corner confused the hell out of me
Can you do F2 vs Hypercar?
I like the mini map
Yeah but let's see an F1 car go for 24 hours...
Remember that the hypercars in wec are limited by some rule like the F1 cars
Let me remind you that this is a visual demonstration of 2 perfectly working Ferrari.
Imagine an F1 Newey design with 0 restrictions though.
The track being mirrored completely f-ed me up...
To be honest, I thought the hypercar would put a tight fight during the straight. I was wrong.
the brakes of an f1 car must be incredible. when you look at onboards from spa, the cars are a full throttle 100 metres before the chicane following the kemmel-straight and start breaking 75-50 metres before the turn
Look at Monza's Prima Variante then😂
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Looking at SPA without the undulations is pretty weird.
curious to see the 499p without limitations
Compare with lmp please
Can u compare to the old 1000hp hypercars too??
better yet compare old F1 cars to old LMP1 group C cars? surely comparing old vs new isnt the best comparison
@@friktionrc do all
@@King-Julz yup def agree 🤟😎
Interesting, it would be a lot closer at Le Mans where the 499P may have the edge.
Nah, at LM the gap would be even bigger.
If you mean just laptime no, the F1 car would still dominate. It's just a faster car. But if you meant the actual race itself, the 499P would win because the SF23 probably wouldn't finish
Can you please do this comparison at the circuit of La Sarthe? It will be great to see the top speed différence!!
Have any of the modern F1 cars completed a timed lap of La Sarthe recently?
@@jonaskussama In fact I’m wrong. I was just wondering if the gap between f1 and wec would be smaller or different. A circuit with more straights like monza would be great 😄
@@Beau_Rivage You're right, I found this footage of it - ruclips.net/video/LW-Ps8onKUA/видео.html&ab_channel=RalliTurkTV - but I couldn't find the lap time
@@LeSurfavecNicothe issue for WEC cars are corner speed, at Monza, for main straight F1 will be faster because F1 will be 80kph mor than WEC cars at the end of Parabolica so F1 start the « straight race » with big advantage.
There's a chance for us to see the gap differences in Qatar WEC next season compared to this F1 season on Qatar, considering the upgrade package for LMDh and LMH per year... (if BoP not messing it)
What's the difference after 24hr of constant running full throttle? :D
The Spa track map overlay is horizontally flipped.
So. There is a fundamental problem with the SF23 comparison. The assumption is that it won’t blow up, due for engineering incompetence. It won’t spin off due to driver incompetence . And that it will be on track in time due to team management incompetence.
The 2021 Haas would've gotten third💀
The track map is inverted/mirrored
i love your videos , but your beats are soooo hard , i wanna do a drive by
Err.. Spa track layout is mirrored?
Now compare with it the Toyota TS050 Hybrid 2017 or Porsche 919 Hybrid 2017
Even while lifting and coasting every corner they both managed to do a 1:53.
They probably would run 1:50 or 1:49 without lift and coast.
And without battery, fuel and aero package restriction (like the 919 evo), they would be as fast as the W11 depending on the driver skill and the amount of preparation/practice.
For example Neel Jani in a 919 evo was faster than Bottas (Q3) in a W11 but slower than Hamilton (level of preparation Q3). So the driver skill is very important to give us the full potential of the car but also the amount of training and preparation.
Yeah but F1 has restrictions too
@@jaiganticpooey3012 Yeah I know but FIA LMP1 are way more restricred than F1 cars
Even the 919 evo is still restricted in some kind of way. It is just unrestricted in comparaison to the LMP1 regulations not absolutely unrestricted, or the car would be way faster than an F1 to the point that it would be undrivable. Same issue would go with an absolutely unrestricted F1 car.
So you should get my point.
Waiting for a comparaison with the 2018 Porsche 919 Evo
Good Shout!
Not even the RB19
So this is how it feels to be racing against Verstappen.
It's odd that the mini map is flipped
For some reason I pictured the 499P and WEC hypercars a lot larger than they actually are
It's should be small ehh? 5m long vs 5.5m long on F1...
Now imagine the W11
Wow imagine if is Red Bull with Verstappen driving , it would be 20 sec in front in one lap
Great trackmap😂
Wow, SF23 is actually really fast when they do not use their strategists
nice comparison and song name 😅?
Please make a comparison between JP Montoya's lap (Monza 2004) and Lewis Hamilton's (Monza 2020)
Isn't it funny that cars got too fast again that they had to slow them down even more
"wHy f1 cArs aRe sLoWeR tHaN sUpErCaRs?"
imagine if F1 completely redesigned their car into an AWD hybrid like the lmh
its a shame this year the track was wet... I think 1.44 was possible
1.42 range was easily possible if it was dry this year.... RB is a rocketship this year, much faster than last year
@@Nichaansama i dont think... maybe 1.43
@@bastordd Max already did a 1.43.6 last year so with the rb19 it definitely could have been a 1.42 this year.