The nastiest part was that they all went to McDonald’s afterwards and sat and ate with no problem. That’s so gross to me, having an appetite after murdering someone. Shows the level of lack of remorse or care, imo
I have always thought the same thing! The fact that they just went to eat breakfast, like it was any normal day, and they hadn’t just tortured and murdered a young girl has always made me feel gross.
The scariest part of this for me isn’t the jealousy & mental/emotional health (abandonment) issues that contributed to Melinda’s murderous intent, but instead the (weak-mindedness?) (idiocy?) (mob-mentality?) (Lack of empathy?) (complete disregard of consequences/the future?) that allowed the other girls - complete strangers - to be involved in taking someone’s life. If people are that weak & stupid it’s really quite frightening - one of them could’ve stopped this, but nobody was strong, smart or decent enough to stand up.
Well-said! I have always been strong minded, very opinionated, assertive, and always on alert to come to someone's aid when he/she cannot defend him/herself. It sickens me that weak people like this even exist. And Hope for one had a very normal childhood as she admitted herself on the Dr. Phil show 10 years ago. All Shandra's mother and sister wanted was for Hope Rippee to stay in prison and serve out her full sentence: that would have been taking ownership and responsibility for what she did. Instead she made excuses and blamed the others for her behavior, appealing over and over until she was finally released early. I am in shock that any of these women were released early. People are in prison for life who have done far less than these "girls" did. And as for Laurie Tackett, I believe she is antisocial psychopathic. I don't know anything about Toni other than that she was spineless and weak. Sad state of affairs that young people like this exist tbh.
@@daliakuwait When they stopped at a gas station, Toni called a boyfriend. She could have called 911 and rattled off the plate number, stating there was trouble. Toni and Hope had no problem having sex with random boys while they waited for Melinda and Laurie to finish with a concert. Such a lack of boundaries. And it's sickening. Have sex, then off to bully someone with knife-wielding nutcase covered in a blanket and someone who identifies as a vampire next to her. 🙄
@@cristiana8079 I didn't know that about the concert and the sex. The whole thing makes my skin crawl. That's right, I do remember Toni calling her boyfriend. She and bHope were also left alone at home for HOURS. And they actually fell asleep apparently! Who could possibly sleep under those circumstances? I remember when I was in high school. Maybe I was lucky but nobody at my school would have done ANYTHING even remotely like what these girls did. And actually I am 45 so only a couple years younger than they are now! Ugh.
We have a system of Justice that has never worked as it was intended. They play favorites, privilege, and white supremacy. These girls may have been under age, but they knew what they were doing. Apparently, to kill and see someone die is a thrill that many desire. They are sick.
Calling them pure evil helps us rationalize it because we like to think only a small percentage of people are capable of doing something like that. The Milgrim experiments show that a very high percentage of people would literally murder someone if an authority figure told them it was ok.
@@danparish1344 Wow really, as in purposely murder someone? I can imagine someone losing control of their anger and killing someone unintentionally, but the idea someone could deliberately take someone's life because someone in authority told them to, ..... that, I just can't get my head around. I've had a lifelong fear of authority, and I know I couldn't. I can't even deliberately kill an ant, let alone a person. If I know I've accidentally killed an insect when gardening, I feel awful. I go out of my way not to, such as not using boiling water, or pesticides. I imagine the agony they would go through. I've even taken a bucket of snails for a drive in the car and left them in the countryside.
Nazi ideology was basically top down permission to capture, torture and murder. Most people have a strong inclination to conform with everyone around them.
Oh yeah this senseless kidnapping torcher and murder brought tears to my eyes.. To spite there ages they should have never been released all except Toni who sat in the car sucking her thumb no doubt or possibly biting her fingernails... Nevertheless how could not have gotten a ass whipping daily or even survived prison... Justice wasn't served...We need more strict judges and they should have never been offered appeals...
This happened in my county. I was in middle school when it happened, and it still haunts me. What happened to Shanda was pure horror. It’s hard to imagine teen girls doing this.
i can easily imagine it 🤣i don't know about your school experience, but coming from a girls only school, let me tell you, most people there you don't wanna touch with a ten foot pole. seriously. it was a cruel mess, the deviant sexual behaviour, the cruelty, the mob mentality, the lack of empathy and brain cells, it was all there.
@@canileaveitblank1476 There’s no more horrendous past than being a murderer, and you defeat your own point by mentioning the sex offenders’ registers - as you point out, that exists and thus people can check it, unlike a list of local murderers.
why this thing happen all the time? people never learned, they can get free LATER anyways, chinese quotation would say "teach one a good lesson, and you teach thousands of men"
@@canileaveitblank1476 Oh my gosh! i did..a cpl months after finally being able to afford to live in a well-sought-after neighborhood & school district (the school dist is #3 in my state👏🏼👍). Anyway...SIX!! 6 sex offenders within 3mi of my home!!😱🥺😡😠🤬!! Its ASTONOSHING! But I have to keep in mind that some most are cases such as 18 yo dating 15yo. Or the 23yo young woman who merely regretted her choice after she sobered up & had to go home & face her husband. Still NOT ACCEPTABLE, but not exactly "Ted Bundy" stuff either. Anyway...you are right & your comment is important.
I agree. Only the one murderer should have ever been eligible for parole. People should be more outspoken when the system lets murderers like this go free. Should be more outrage from The People.
I’ve known about this case for nine years and I can tell you, it just has staying power. I’ve been wondering if you’d talk about it. And this year is 30 years since it happened. R.I.P. Shanda
Wow 30 years. These girls lived not too far from me growing up so I've known about it for 30 years now I suppose. Shanda and I were the same age when it happened as well, Im 42 now. It was so scary being a kid that age and hearing about the whole terrible thing. I'll never understand it.
This is one of the most horrific cases I've looked into and read books on. The other was the Sylvia Likens case. Thank you for your thoughts on this case. RIP Shanda Sharer (who would have been 43 back in June, I'm 44 and I can't understand what these girls were thinking because I definitely wasn't thinking about killing and I had a hard life)
“If you enjoy this video”. I’ve never come across one that I didn’t love. I feel so sorry for Shandas mom. She asked the participants of this heinous crime to accept their sentences and not try to have them reduced. The only one who complied with this request was Lori Tackett. These girls continued to be a nightmare for poor Shandas family even after the murder.
These murdering sociopaths should never have been released into society - no parole! The complete lack of empathy and any responsibility along with their rage could never allow them to function normally and with any sense of reason and morality. Horrific!
This happened where I now live. All of these girls lived not ten minutes from my house and it’s eerie hearing Dr. Grande talk about places that are part of my daily life. I moved up here at age 14 just a few years after this occurred and my mom and I got the rundown from many parents in the community, which was still reeling from what happened. I also was briefly very loosely acquaintances with Amanda in the late 90s, early 2000s because we knew mutual people and she may not have had anything to do with the crime itself, but she was not innocent in all the manipulation and lying and instigating. That girl was one of those people who triggers your hair to stand on end when you’re around them and when she talked to me all I wanted to do was find the nearest exit.
The mail discussion was the only thing that kept me calm thru this horrible, horrible crime. The background on the parents was terrifying, also. Doesn't excuse anything tho. That poor Shanda, at least now she is safely home.
These true crime cases are all sad, but Shanda Sharer went through so much undeserved horror, it's hard to listen to. She was a child. And the lack of closure for her family members (as they had to watch multiple perpetrators of the crime go free instead of serving their full sentences) is heartbreaking in it's own right.
@@hughhaefner3317 especially that Lori chick, have you seen the dr phil show, where she is crying aorund, she looks like pure evil and disgust. She will reoffend. as she said, in a statement, she gets off by thinking of someone dying at her hands and seeing blood on her body. research it, its disgusting.
It breaks my heart knowing how badly Shanda wanted to live! She had to have suffered terribly. Melinda was a monster, but how could anyone participate in such brutality?
I have dealt with abuse and neglect as a child. It was a traumatic upbringing. I would never hurt another human being. I have my own animal Rescue and I am a vegan. I do not like to see any life suffer. To me this is an excuse for already troubled person who has been abused. Something inside them that was already disturbed. You’re own suffering can teach you compassion. This is horrific, devastating and monstrous. Beautiful Shanda, 12 years old!
I took care of a lot of unwanted cats over the years and I can honestly say, that was the most honest and purest love I have experienced. They helped me everyday while I was going thru one of the worst times of my life. Thank you for helping these beautiful creatures. 💕
It's so offensive these people are out of prison. None of them should be out. I don't care how old they were, Shanda can't come out of her grave so they shouldn't get out of prison!
I can't believe Melinda especially is out of prison, she should have received LWOP at least. I can't believe the complete moral blankness of these four young people.
@@brookiegremlin6660 It's disgusting. Hope owns a dog grooming business and goes by Anna Tyree now, Toni has two children, and Laurie and Melinda are doing god knows what. They all got to go on with their dumb little lives and it's insulting. They did things to that girl that even Ted Bundy didn't do to his victims.
@@heathernikki5734 I can't imagine they are employable. It wouldn't shock me if they' on gov't assistance. They've lived off taxpayers most of their lives.
@@heathernikki5734 thanks for letting us know what they are all doing these days. I didn't know. I know that Toni is the only one who has children (thank goodness) but that's just because she was released in her early 30s. Melinda and Laurie were not released until their mid-40s or else they might have reproduced too. 😬😳
Every time I hear this story I remember the age difference. Older girls taking their frustrations on a less mature little kid and treating her like garbage.
"Larry was simply ahead of his time.....the only way that current postal service performance would be considered good is if they were running a witness protection program for envelopes and packages!" And: "Perhaps Melinda had sticky demons. These demons are like regular demons except with glue!" 😄😅🤣🤣🤣 Hysterical, as always! Dr. Grande, thank you! I REALLY needed your wit and humor today of all days. 🙏 😊 On a more serious note, I think Laurie Tackett was the scariest conspirator because she apparently enjoyed the entire murderous scheme and was extremely involved for someone who didn't even know Shanda.
This happened very close to my hometown, and I was around the same age as Shanda when she was murdered. She was 12 I think, I was 11. It scared me so badly, it's such a horrifically sad case but I'll never forget Shanda Sharer. Interesting to see your take on this case Dr. G.
Interestingly, Shanda's mother went on to get involved in a project that helped Melinda find a vocation later on, near the end of her sentence and do something positive with herself on re- entry to society.
That's incredible that Mom could overcome her horrible grief and loss by helping out the person who took her daughters life, an entirely altruistic act!! I wonder if her actions have helped her to accept the unacceptable knowing that she has truly done her part in helping to change the pathway of someone that could be so easily despised and hated, a natural reaction for any parent suffering such a loss. Peace be with you Mother! 🙏
Her mom now has a goal to sponsor a therapy dog every year in Shandas memory to be trained by the women in the indiana prison system program. She does not plan to ever meet w M, and agreed w her finishing her sentence, but feels that she has turned herself around, and that she wanted something beautiful to come from something broken, bc that's the kid of person her daughter was.
@@angiejackman2541 that's amazing and takes immense strength. I'm not sure I could do the same for someone who did what Melinda did to Shanda to my own child. I probably couldn't tbh.
I've been aware of this case for a very long time and I appreciate Dr. Grande taking it on and his analysis. I am appalled that these girls were allowed to get out of prison ever. There are fundamental problems with each one of them that I have doubts could ever be cured. Hope I'm wrong.
Let's not forget that Shanda had a horrific sexual assault committed against her. (I won't describe it here, but it left a wound for the medical examiner to document.) The police were able to piece together who did what to Shanda from the various stories the girls gave, but they were never able to account for the sexual assault. They never figured out who did that to her, and none of the girls spoke of it in their confessions. They all claimed they knew nothing about it. None of them did it or witnessed it. All these girls had enough sense to know that out of all the disgusting acts of torture they committed against Shanda, the sexual assault would be viewed as the worst. This would be the most shameful and degenerate act. So clearly, they knew right from wrong. (Realistically, the sexual assault was committed by Melinda Loveless, as it's consistent with her jealous rage aimed at Shanda.)
I taught in this school district for several years and this case haunted that community. It’s a cautionary tale of how a group dynamic can overrule human decency. The lost opportunities the other girls had to change the outcome of what happened to this poor girl should never have been excused. They should all have stayed in jail for life.
I went to school with several girls whom I could have absolutely seen getting involved in something like this. Many teenage girls have that cruelty and/or callousness in them, and when that is accompanied by a low enough intellect to not understand the repercussions, then these things unfortunately can and do happen when jealousy strikes, pride gets hurt or recognition from specific peers is desired.
You and I could obviously exchange a ton of bad USPS stories, Dr. G!! At one point......we had so many weird issues with our carrier that we had the local USPS postmaster on speed dial.......and we weren't alone!!
These 4 dangerous individuals are walking free on the streets putting those around them in an immense danger. They all should have gotten life in prison.
I like his voice too. I have an unfortunate habit of falling asleep during these and having to restart them. Not because the content isn't interesting, but because the calm vocal delivery relaxes me too much. Although, I suppose as far as problems go, falling asleep during Dr. G videos isn't too bad.
Thank you for covering this case. Your analysis is a clear-eyed of the apathy and cruelty of the perpetrators balanced against the vulnerability and suffering of the victim. Thank you for valuing accountability in the absence of justice.
After what those teenage broads did to that poor beautiful angel I'm surprised they didn't get a ass whipping daily in prison or better yet even survived prison.. What an example to show to the world of Dante fools than to allow them to go free before doing their time.. why wouldn't some other sick predator commit the same crimes if they feel they can get away with it with possibly doing a few years or on an appeal... Justice was not served.....
It's awful that they are out of jail. Many people have a harsh background and would never hurt a soul. They should all be in jail for life. It's disturbing that these girls did this for no reason.
@@derstoffausdemderjoghurtis I hear you but damn these girls were so young. Many young people go through feeling of jealousy etc. But would never do this. Its scary that they are all free after what they did.
@@theresathompson4719 it is scary. I think they all had pretty bad mental health issues and I know one did have borderline. I’m friends with someone who has borderline though and wouldn’t do this. But I do feel like there is a certain level of sadism in what they did to shanda. So I feel like they enjoyed seeing someone in pain. So it doesn’t sit right with me when people act like it’s only rage.
Supposedly, Melinda told Amanda more than once about her plans to kill Shanda, but Amanda didn't warn anyone because she didn't believe that Melinda would actually go through with it.A lot of people think she should've gotten into trouble for that.
The bit about the post office had me cracking up. This crime is horrifying. I cannot imagine the pain and fear that poor girl endured. It’s disturbing to think all of them are out now.
If four teenage boys had conspired to kill a 5th like this for the same motives, all of them would be rotting away in prison. It makes me sick to my stomach that all 4 of these women are out on the street after committing such a murder. Too many women who commit serious crime get off easy.
Boys in my state have gotten away with much less time. Women do more time for murdering their husbands (15 years) than men do for murdering their wives (2 to 6 years). Sometimes women do get off easier but it depends on the type of crime. Women are usually punished worse for violent crimes.
I live in Louisville, Kentucky and I remember when this happened. I was a very, very young girl, myself. Younger than the girls, but close enough both in age and location to be scared out of my mind! I appreciate this, Dr. Grande and it's absolutely disgusting that those revolting blobs are out of prison!
@@helenhettinger-hayes absolutely, me too! And my momma, too! She still refers to this case often. Yikes. I don't recall the exact year this was, but I was born in 80, so however old that makes me it was very very in my mind growing up!
I'm only a minute and 30 seconds into the video and I LOVE Dr. Grande's commentary on the postal services these days. He is ON POINT 🎉 to say the least!
When you display jealousy, you often become less attractive, less fun to be around. Always be your best, happiest self, because others are paying attention. If you can't, then be quiet or leave. Whether or not your external reasons for jealousy are real or imagined should have nothing to do with your behavior. Where is the anger really coming from? From the other person or you? Life is short; be of good will always.
Your nonchalant humor is incredible, and it's consistent across all your videos. At this point, I'm always looking forward to big doses of laughter in a new video you upload, along with some interesting topics and new information to think about! I don't say this that often about anyone, but I stan you! Keep up the good work. 👌❤
Untreated mental issues and unstable homes can be a dangerous combination. The stability of our family units is super important to society and the children. There was nothing stable about this environment. From that everything can easily spiral.
I also remember being sad when I saw my school mentioned at the beginning of the Jeremy video by Pearl Jam. There's several newspaper clippings at the beginning and the murder is one of them. Those girls put us on the map for all the wrong reasons.
I've always been obsessed with this case. I bought the Aphrodite Jones book at Barnes & Noble 20+ years ago. I loved the OG true crime mass market paperbacks with the pictures in the middle.
I’m amazed by the number and consistent quality of your videos. You are also the undisputed master of sarcasm. Many of these videos are really dark and they really benefit from a bit of humor. Thank you!
@@Catlily5 they were charged as adults. The level of violence displayed is so vicious I have to imagine there are people sitting on death row for far less. And as stated by Doc, there was evidence out the wazoo. The prosecutor had them all dead to rights.
@@ryanbailey6401 They committed a very horrible crime but I think society tends to go easier on people under age of 18 and especially under the age of 15. This 15 year old kid in my state gunned down 5 members of his own family one by one as they came home. The youngest victims were his siblings ages 5 and 2. He was planning to shoot more people at Walmart but instead went to his church and confessed to his pastor He wasn't eligible for the death penalty due to age. He went to a treatment center instead of jail and they were talking about releasing him at age 21. Instead he was sentenced to 30 years without parole.
Why did Indiana cut them a deal? They had a confession. Surprised they didn't pursue the death penalty for the worst two girls, the victim's death was absolutely heinous.
We have a system of Justice that has never worked as it was intended. They play favorites, privilege, and white supremacy. These girls may have been under age, but they knew what they were doing. Apparently, to kill and see someone die is a thrill that many desire. They are sick.
This horrific tragedy happened 45 minutes from where I live. If I remember this correctly, Lori also sodomized Shanda with the tire iron and one of the girls sprayed her wounds with window cleaner. I remember my high school current events teacher attended the trial and shared that information in our class. As a 16 year old, I couldn't believe something so awful could happen so close to our small, rural community. 30 years later, unfortunately it's become a common occurrence. Thank you for sharing this on your channel. Appreciate how you share these crime stories.
Hello,here are some facts,Hope, Lori and Melinda have all denied committing the act, and none of them know how Shanda was injured. Toni also denies any involvement, but points the finger at the other three, and I quote Toni Lawrence: "Mary, Melinda and Hope got out, opened the trunk, someone sodomized her, no one will admit it, and I was in the back seat, out of the way" (Toni said this happened on Lemon Road, so not long before he burned her). So three girls were on top of Shanda and Toni didn't see exactly who sodomized Shanda because she stayed in the car, but the fact that none of the other three said who did the penetration makes me think that maybe all three took an active part in the rape, either taking turns or holding Shanda while one did the thing, which means all three are guilty of rape, regardless of who penetrated her. (If only one of the three had assaulted Shanda, the other two or one of them would have reported the assailant, and vice versa). Loveless, Rippey and tackett were officially charged with sexual assault. But later, the rape charge was dropped along with six other charges as part of the guilty pleas, meaning that none of them would be tried for sexual assault; in other words, it was as if Shanda had never been sexually assaulted. In the end, following an agreement with the prosecutor, only three of the original ten charges were brought against the defendants: arson, murder and criminal confinement. So, based on the elements of the case file I've cited in above, I think Hope, Melinda and Laurie assaulted Shanda. In any case, we don't know who sodomized Shanda and we probably never will, none of the three girls wanted to denounce themselves or the culprit(s), in my opinion, because all three of them did it in one way or another. In conclusion, I don't think we can say with any certainty that it was Lori who attacked Shanda, and the same goes for the other two. The only thing we do know is that, at the precise moment when this despicable act was perpetrated, Shanda was under the influence of three attackers, not just one. But even if we can't state anything with certainty, nothing prevents us from having hypotheses, obviously based on facts and reliable sources. For example, I'm 99% sure it was Melinda's idea to rape her, so I'm 99% sure it was her who sodomized Shanda, but that doesn't mean the other two didn't take part. I could argue my opinion if you're interested, but for now I'll stop here as I realize I've already written a lot, in any case, I wish you a good day.
In Russia there’s a practice for not just defendants, but also for the victim side to hire lawyers. I kind thought it was odd at first, but the idea is to make sure the state/prosecution does their job and doesn’t let criminals get away too easy. Cases like this make me think it’s not such a crazy idea. What’s crazy is that these sick people are out free now among the society. The society gains nothing from them being out. Should’ve been locked up for good.
I lived in Madison Indiana while I attended Mortuary College in Jeffersonville IN. (1st exit across the river from Louisville). My relatives told me about this case. Madison is a small town & was such a shock (as it would be anywhere). My Uncle actually took me by the location where Shanda was found. It was years later of course. Such evil, cruel girls. If I'm not mistaken, Shanda was only 12 or 13 when she first got involved w/ these vultures. She was continuously tortured, & left like garbage is so disgusting. All this from young girls. Scary. But how they are allowed to now walk free----I don't know how Shandas loved ones can cope. Thanks for covering this story, Dr. 'BIG'.🙂👍
@Tomika Kelly I think this was on Dr Phil show; and Shanda's mom was doing anything but comforting her. She was calmly questioning this Hope girl on why she didn't trry to stop things and let it get so far. Her mother told Hope that the only thing she could have done for her to make anything better, would be to not continually seek her parole, but stay in prison for her entire sentence. which none of them did.. Shanda's mom Jacqie Vaught had Shanda's aunt with her on Dr Phil also, and it was not pleasant for Hope!
This crime shook me to the core when I first heard about it... there aren't words to truly convey the cruelty enacted on Shanda, and by people she had no reason to fear otherwise - young women her own age. The fact that Shanda _almost_ didn't get in the car had a profound effect on me, and I have never discounted my gut feeling in a situation since. I'm horrified that Melinda & Laurie have been released from jail, because the level of depravity they displayed isn't something that you can be rehabilitated from... millions of teens grow up listening to "depressing" music, dressing in black & dabbling in the occult, and just like those raised in abusive homes & every other excuse they tried to use to justify themselves, they _don't go on to torture & murder._ RIP Shanda 💜
This a truly shocking and disgusting crime. Dr. Grande, please answer “People with Cluster C personality traits make up _____% of the population.” Your show is the best on you tube.It seems as though you have made 9 new videos ( plus a podcast?!!) since Friday morning HST!!! Thank you very much! Excellent thought provoking work and humor. Bravo!
They were all horrible and senseless murderers. You were sooo spot on with regard to your comments on the postal service Dr. Grande…omg you cracked me up!! (I am retired from the USPS after thirty- six LONG years!! Haha)
I heard about this case before on another channel that I no longer listen to because of stoners and giggly vapid girls, so I definitely look forward to hearing your analysis, Dr. Grande!
Thanks for another insightful video, Dr. Grande. I look forward to these on a daily basis! 😀 I had never heard about this case before. What an absolutely awful attack those girls put Shanda through. Poor Shanda. Her death sounds so heartbreaking. 💔 I can't believe that all of those monsters have since been granted their freedom. Absolutely disgusting that they get to have a future but Shanda doesn't. On a side note, you're anecdotes and one liners are always so good, they catch me off guard. 😆 I'm begging you to write a screw ball comedy one day! Haha. 😆😎 I hope you have a great day and keep on rocking, good sir!
My grandfather was the sheriff of Madison, IN at the time of this murder. He was one of the first people to see the sight of the murder. He had to drive the girls who killed Shanda to different jails/trials. He never talked about it once it was all over my grandma said...didn't know he was involved with this murder until he had passed. Such a tragic and horrible thing to happen to someone so young. Always love your videos Dr.Grande, you do a great job!
The more I think about cases like Shanda's, Michele Avila's, and Skylar Neese's, the more I'm thankful to be a loner, as a teen and now. It's so awful that these poor girls couldn't even trust their "friends".
May I ask, why it is always an issue, when people wear black clothes and listen to Metal music? I wear black since I was a child and I love Black Metal. I am not violent, I hate aggressive humans and prefer good manners.
This is Horrifying!! Brutal, and Savage! 💔💔💔💔🙏🙏🙏🙏🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️ To be So Vicious, and Cruel,and at such a young age! They all should have Received LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE!!
I've heard of so many cases but this is definitely one of the worst I've heard of, if not the worst. I read the book on this case and it's repulsive beyond words what they did to her. They aren't human, I don't know how they sleep at night knowing what they did to an innocent twelve year old child. The fact they are out of jail makes me very disappointed in the justice system.
I doubt the church member was concerned with Melinda’s demons; I’m sure he was more concerned with satisfying his own. 😢 sick, sick people. All four girls were very damaged; however, it doesn’t excuse the horrific behavior later. IMO, Amanda held responsibility in this case, as well. She was older and had no business introducing a 12-year old child to sex. Amanda also played a large part in pitting Melinda against Shanda. My opinion, don’t come for me.
The nastiest part was that they all went to McDonald’s afterwards and sat and ate with no problem. That’s so gross to me, having an appetite after murdering someone. Shows the level of lack of remorse or care, imo
And they compared the sausage to Shanda's burnt body!
I have always thought the same thing! The fact that they just went to eat breakfast, like it was any normal day, and they hadn’t just tortured and murdered a young girl has always made me feel gross.
The scariest part of this for me isn’t the jealousy & mental/emotional health (abandonment) issues that contributed to Melinda’s murderous intent, but instead the (weak-mindedness?) (idiocy?) (mob-mentality?) (Lack of empathy?) (complete disregard of consequences/the future?) that allowed the other girls - complete strangers - to be involved in taking someone’s life.
If people are that weak & stupid it’s really quite frightening - one of them could’ve stopped this, but nobody was strong, smart or decent enough to stand up.
Excellent comment!
Well-said! I have always been strong minded, very opinionated, assertive, and always on alert to come to someone's aid when he/she cannot defend him/herself. It sickens me that weak people like this even exist. And Hope for one had a very normal childhood as she admitted herself on the Dr. Phil show 10 years ago. All Shandra's mother and sister wanted was for Hope Rippee to stay in prison and serve out her full sentence: that would have been taking ownership and responsibility for what she did. Instead she made excuses and blamed the others for her behavior, appealing over and over until she was finally released early. I am in shock that any of these women were released early. People are in prison for life who have done far less than these "girls" did. And as for Laurie Tackett, I believe she is antisocial psychopathic. I don't know anything about Toni other than that she was spineless and weak. Sad state of affairs that young people like this exist tbh.
Exactly
@@daliakuwait When they stopped at a gas station, Toni called a boyfriend. She could have called 911 and rattled off the plate number, stating there was trouble.
Toni and Hope had no problem having sex with random boys while they waited for Melinda and Laurie to finish with a concert. Such a lack of boundaries. And it's sickening. Have sex, then off to bully someone with knife-wielding nutcase covered in a blanket and someone who identifies as a vampire next to her. 🙄
@@cristiana8079 I didn't know that about the concert and the sex. The whole thing makes my skin crawl. That's right, I do remember Toni calling her boyfriend. She and bHope were also left alone at home for HOURS. And they actually fell asleep apparently! Who could possibly sleep under those circumstances? I remember when I was in high school. Maybe I was lucky but nobody at my school would have done ANYTHING even remotely like what these girls did. And actually I am 45 so only a couple years younger than they are now! Ugh.
I am very unhappy that these young women didn't get harsher sentences and are now free to live their lives. Poor Shanda didn't get that privilege.
We have a system of Justice that has never worked as it was intended. They play favorites, privilege, and white supremacy. These girls may have been under age, but they knew what they were doing. Apparently, to kill and see someone die is a thrill that many desire. They are sick.
The two primary participants should have gotten life without parole.
Keywords; young women.
@@ToyotaGuy1971 So it's wrong to punish murderers even if they're teenagers? F outta here
@@puppiesarepower3682 yeah unfortunately it was probably bias that played a role
This is one of the most horrific murders I've ever heard about. That poor girl, how she must have suffered. Her murderers are pure evil.
Poor little thing.
Calling them pure evil helps us rationalize it because we like to think only a small percentage of people are capable of doing something like that. The Milgrim experiments show that a very high percentage of people would literally murder someone if an authority figure told them it was ok.
@@danparish1344 Wow really, as in purposely murder someone? I can imagine someone losing control of their anger and killing someone unintentionally, but the idea someone could deliberately take someone's life because someone in authority told them to, ..... that, I just can't get my head around. I've had a lifelong fear of authority, and I know I couldn't.
I can't even deliberately kill an ant, let alone a person. If I know I've accidentally killed an insect when gardening, I feel awful. I go out of my way not to, such as not using boiling water, or pesticides. I imagine the agony they would go through. I've even taken a bucket of snails for a drive in the car and left them in the countryside.
Nazi ideology was basically top down permission to capture, torture and murder. Most people have a strong inclination to conform with everyone around them.
Oh yeah this senseless kidnapping torcher and murder brought tears to my eyes.. To spite there ages they should have never been released all except Toni who sat in the car sucking her thumb no doubt or possibly biting her fingernails... Nevertheless how could not have gotten a ass whipping daily or even survived prison... Justice wasn't served...We need more strict judges and they should have never been offered appeals...
"Loveless" is an understatement. Absolutely horrific
So fitting
This happened in my county. I was in middle school when it happened, and it still haunts me. What happened to Shanda was pure horror. It’s hard to imagine teen girls doing this.
i can easily imagine it 🤣i don't know about your school experience, but coming from a girls only school, let me tell you, most people there you don't wanna touch with a ten foot pole. seriously. it was a cruel mess, the deviant sexual behaviour, the cruelty, the mob mentality, the lack of empathy and brain cells, it was all there.
Dear god, these murderers are now living among us as free citizens? How can this happen? I would be terrified if they lived anywhere near my family.
I guarantee you have plenty of neighbors with horrendous pasts.
Ever look up your area on the ‘sex offender registration?’
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@@canileaveitblank1476 There’s no more horrendous past than being a murderer, and you defeat your own point by mentioning the sex offenders’ registers - as you point out, that exists and thus people can check it, unlike a list of local murderers.
why this thing happen all the time? people never learned, they can get free LATER anyways, chinese quotation would say "teach one a good lesson, and you teach thousands of men"
Same
@@canileaveitblank1476 Oh my gosh! i did..a cpl months after finally being able to afford to live in a well-sought-after neighborhood & school district (the school dist is #3 in my state👏🏼👍). Anyway...SIX!! 6 sex offenders within 3mi of my home!!😱🥺😡😠🤬!!
Its ASTONOSHING! But I have to keep in mind that some most are cases such as 18 yo dating 15yo. Or the 23yo young woman who merely regretted her choice after she sobered up & had to go home & face her husband. Still NOT ACCEPTABLE, but not exactly "Ted Bundy" stuff either. Anyway...you are right & your comment is important.
They should not ever be free. Slapped on the wrists for such a dreadfully aggravated murder.
I agree. Only the one murderer should have ever been eligible for parole. People should be more outspoken when the system lets murderers like this go free. Should be more outrage from The People.
They even changed their names.
One of the most gruesome and disgusting true crime cases I’ve ever heard of. I agree about the sentencing.
I’ve known about this case for nine years and I can tell you, it just has staying power. I’ve been wondering if you’d talk about it. And this year is 30 years since it happened. R.I.P. Shanda
Wow 30 years. These girls lived not too far from me growing up so I've known about it for 30 years now I suppose. Shanda and I were the same age when it happened as well, Im 42 now. It was so scary being a kid that age and hearing about the whole terrible thing. I'll never understand it.
I remember this case very well.
It was sad.
It's good to have a little humor.
It has really stuck with me too. That poor girl.
I’ve been watching true crime since I was a kid and I agree, this case sticks with you long after you hear it.
Like S.Os. , people should know where they live if, or when, they get out. What they did was beyond the pale.
This is one of the most horrific cases I've looked into and read books on. The other was the Sylvia Likens case. Thank you for your thoughts on this case. RIP Shanda Sharer (who would have been 43 back in June, I'm 44 and I can't understand what these girls were thinking because I definitely wasn't thinking about killing and I had a hard life)
Ugh Sylvia Likens 😢
“If you enjoy this video”. I’ve never come across one that I didn’t love. I feel so sorry for Shandas mom. She asked the participants of this heinous crime to accept their sentences and not try to have them reduced. The only one who complied with this request was Lori Tackett. These girls continued to be a nightmare for poor Shandas family even after the murder.
These murdering sociopaths should never have been released into society - no parole! The complete lack of empathy and any responsibility along with their rage could never allow them to function normally and with any sense of reason and morality. Horrific!
I agree 100%. More people should feel that way and be outspoken about it.
This happened where I now live. All of these girls lived not ten minutes from my house and it’s eerie hearing Dr. Grande talk about places that are part of my daily life. I moved up here at age 14 just a few years after this occurred and my mom and I got the rundown from many parents in the community, which was still reeling from what happened.
I also was briefly very loosely acquaintances with Amanda in the late 90s, early 2000s because we knew mutual people and she may not have had anything to do with the crime itself, but she was not innocent in all the manipulation and lying and instigating. That girl was one of those people who triggers your hair to stand on end when you’re around them and when she talked to me all I wanted to do was find the nearest exit.
Here, in this story of a girl dying in the most gruesome way possible, Dr. Grande manages to make me smile about mail delivery performance.
The mail discussion was the only thing that kept me calm thru this horrible, horrible crime. The background on the parents was terrifying, also. Doesn't excuse anything tho. That poor Shanda, at least now she is safely home.
These true crime cases are all sad, but Shanda Sharer went through so much undeserved horror, it's hard to listen to. She was a child. And the lack of closure for her family members (as they had to watch multiple perpetrators of the crime go free instead of serving their full sentences) is heartbreaking in it's own right.
Parole boards need to be held accountable for releasing these types of criminals and they often go on to offend again.
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What's even more of a stab in the back of Shanda's family is Laurie Tackett becoming a millionaire shortly after she was released.
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I'm the source. She used to work at the same clothes factory as me.
@@hughhaefner3317 especially that Lori chick, have you seen the dr phil show, where she is crying aorund, she looks like pure evil and disgust. She will reoffend. as she said, in a statement, she gets off by thinking of someone dying at her hands and seeing blood on her body. research it, its disgusting.
Absolutely heartbreaking and 100% unnecessary. They didn’t have to do what they did. It’s horrifying what people will do to each other
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"They didn't have to do what they did."
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All three of you like to be irritating don’t you?
It breaks my heart knowing how badly Shanda wanted to live! She had to have suffered terribly. Melinda was a monster, but how could anyone participate in such brutality?
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Laurie as well.
@meagenmontana958 Watch the snippet of Laurie as a grown-up. She's scary.
I have dealt with abuse and neglect as a child.
It was a traumatic upbringing. I would never hurt another human being. I have my own animal Rescue and I am a vegan. I do not like to see any life suffer. To me this is an excuse for already troubled person who has been abused. Something inside them that was already disturbed. You’re own suffering can teach you compassion. This is horrific, devastating and monstrous. Beautiful Shanda, 12 years old!
I took care of a lot of unwanted cats over the years and I can honestly say, that was the most honest and purest love I have experienced. They helped me everyday while I was going thru one of the worst times of my life. Thank you for helping these beautiful creatures. 💕
@@sarahalbers5555 Animals are truly a blessing!
What does being a vegan have anything to do with this?
@@steveptasznik6147 Shows that she can't eat a living warm blooded animal. Vegans don't believe in killing living animals for food.
Aren't you the privileged one.
Thank you, Dr. Grande! This case was horrible. What was done to shanda was terrifying!
I remember reading a book on this case when I was in adolescence. It has stayed with me all these years. It's horrible what they did to Shanda.
one of the most heartbreaking cases out there. thanks for doing this!
It's so offensive these people are out of prison. None of them should be out. I don't care how old they were, Shanda can't come out of her grave so they shouldn't get out of prison!
I can't believe Melinda especially is out of prison, she should have received LWOP at least. I can't believe the complete moral blankness of these four young people.
@@brookiegremlin6660 It's disgusting. Hope owns a dog grooming business and goes by Anna Tyree now, Toni has two children, and Laurie and Melinda are doing god knows what. They all got to go on with their dumb little lives and it's insulting. They did things to that girl that even Ted Bundy didn't do to his victims.
@@heathernikki5734 I can't imagine they are employable. It wouldn't shock me if they' on gov't assistance. They've lived off taxpayers most of their lives.
@@heathernikki5734 thanks for letting us know what they are all doing these days. I didn't know.
I know that Toni is the only one who has children (thank goodness) but that's just because she was released in her early 30s. Melinda and Laurie were not released until their mid-40s or else they might have reproduced too. 😬😳
More people should feel as you do. And speak up about it.
Every time I hear this story I remember the age difference. Older girls taking their frustrations on a less mature little kid and treating her like garbage.
"Larry was simply ahead of his time.....the only way that current postal service performance would be considered good is if they were running a witness protection program for envelopes and packages!"
And:
"Perhaps Melinda had sticky demons. These demons are like regular demons except with glue!"
😄😅🤣🤣🤣 Hysterical, as always!
Dr. Grande, thank you! I REALLY needed your wit and humor today of all days. 🙏 😊
On a more serious note, I think Laurie Tackett was the scariest conspirator because she apparently enjoyed the entire murderous scheme and was extremely involved for someone who didn't even know Shanda.
This happened in my hometown. The fact that they're all out now is shocking.
This happened very close to my hometown, and I was around the same age as Shanda when she was murdered. She was 12 I think, I was 11. It scared me so badly, it's such a horrifically sad case but I'll never forget Shanda Sharer. Interesting to see your take on this case Dr. G.
Interestingly, Shanda's mother went on to get involved in a project that helped Melinda find a vocation later on, near the end of her sentence and do something positive with herself on re- entry to society.
That's incredible that Mom could overcome her horrible grief and loss by helping out the person who took her daughters life, an entirely altruistic act!!
I wonder if her actions have helped her to accept the unacceptable knowing that she has truly done her part in helping to change the pathway of someone that could be so easily despised and hated, a natural reaction for any parent suffering such a loss. Peace be with you Mother! 🙏
Her mom now has a goal to sponsor a therapy dog every year in Shandas memory to be trained by the women in the indiana prison system program. She does not plan to ever meet w M, and agreed w her finishing her sentence, but feels that she has turned herself around, and that she wanted something beautiful to come from something broken, bc that's the kid of person her daughter was.
@@angiejackman2541 that's amazing and takes immense strength. I'm not sure I could do the same for someone who did what Melinda did to Shanda to my own child. I probably couldn't tbh.
I've been aware of this case for a very long time and I appreciate Dr. Grande taking it on and his analysis. I am appalled that these girls were allowed to get out of prison ever. There are fundamental problems with each one of them that I have doubts could ever be cured. Hope I'm wrong.
Today I gave my postal delivery worker a brownie and a cold coke. He is nice, and does a great job. Thanks Joe!
Let's not forget that Shanda had a horrific sexual assault committed against her. (I won't describe it here, but it left a wound for the medical examiner to document.)
The police were able to piece together who did what to Shanda from the various stories the girls gave, but they were never able to account for the sexual assault. They never figured out who did that to her, and none of the girls spoke of it in their confessions. They all claimed they knew nothing about it. None of them did it or witnessed it.
All these girls had enough sense to know that out of all the disgusting acts of torture they committed against Shanda, the sexual assault would be viewed as the worst. This would be the most shameful and degenerate act. So clearly, they knew right from wrong.
(Realistically, the sexual assault was committed by Melinda Loveless, as it's consistent with her jealous rage aimed at Shanda.)
Oh gawsh, there’s more?! 😨
I think it was Tackett. She admitted beating shanda with tire iron and kept telling melinda to smell it.
I taught in this school district for several years and this case haunted that community. It’s a cautionary tale of how a group dynamic can overrule human decency. The lost opportunities the other girls had to change the outcome of what happened to this poor girl should never have been excused. They should all have stayed in jail for life.
This was a barbaric crime. It's hard to imagine young teenage girls were capable of doing what they did to that poor girl.
everybody is capable of that. Still courts favour female perps.
Keyword, teenage girl.
Competition, Envy and Revenge.
Hard to imagine? Living in a cave much?
I went to school with several girls whom I could have absolutely seen getting involved in something like this. Many teenage girls have that cruelty and/or callousness in them, and when that is accompanied by a low enough intellect to not understand the repercussions, then these things unfortunately can and do happen when jealousy strikes, pride gets hurt or recognition from specific peers is desired.
@@regional1000 the point is they're supposed to be kids.
I was a very troubled teen, and I can easily see how this happened. I’m always saying how ‘I have no idea how I avoided prison
and/or dying young.’
You and I could obviously exchange a ton of bad USPS stories, Dr. G!! At one point......we had so many weird issues with our carrier that we had the local USPS postmaster on speed dial.......and we weren't alone!!
How pathetic. These individuals should never be allowed to go free. I don't see how any of them or their parents sleep at night.
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These 4 dangerous individuals are walking free on the streets putting those around them in an immense danger. They all should have gotten life in prison.
I can't get over the sheer brutality of this murder. It's unreal that 15yr olds could be this evil. And no real justice was served. Rip Shanda.
"...shower remodeling tips from Norman Bates." 🤣 Wonderful humor! But what a horrible case! Excellent analysis, Dr. Grande! ❤️
I love your voice. It’s so easy on the ears. I found you when I was doing my own video about Misophonia.
I like his voice too. I have an unfortunate habit of falling asleep during these and having to restart them. Not because the content isn't interesting, but because the calm vocal delivery relaxes me too much. Although, I suppose as far as problems go, falling asleep during Dr. G videos isn't too bad.
@@christa7773 he does have a relaxing voice. I remembered thinking that when I looked up Misophonia.
Does Dr. G talk about misophonia on his channel? I wonder if auditory processing disorder is related, do you know?
@@gracevalentine1666 He does talk about it on his channel which is how I found him. I don’t know about the other condition but he might.
@@TrishaSmith ok, thanks very much -stay cool
Thank you for covering this case. Your analysis is a clear-eyed of the apathy and cruelty of the perpetrators balanced against the vulnerability and suffering of the victim. Thank you for valuing accountability in the absence of justice.
Thank you, Dr.Grande. I’ve learned so much from your videos
If I can remember this heinous case, they are out too soon!
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After what those teenage broads did to that poor beautiful angel I'm surprised they didn't get a ass whipping daily in prison or better yet even survived prison.. What an example to show to the world of Dante fools than to allow them to go free before doing their time.. why wouldn't some other sick predator commit the same crimes if they feel they can get away with it with possibly doing a few years or on an appeal... Justice was not served.....
It's awful that they are out of jail. Many people have a harsh background and would never hurt a soul. They should all be in jail for life. It's disturbing that these girls did this for no reason.
one did it out of jealousy, the other wanted to kill, the third wanted to be cool and part of the gang and the last one was a coward
@@derstoffausdemderjoghurtis I hear you but damn these girls were so young. Many young people go through feeling of jealousy etc. But would never do this. Its scary that they are all free after what they did.
@@theresathompson4719 it is scary. I think they all had pretty bad mental health issues and I know one did have borderline. I’m friends with someone who has borderline though and wouldn’t do this. But I do feel like there is a certain level of sadism in what they did to shanda. So I feel like they enjoyed seeing someone in pain. So it doesn’t sit right with me when people act like it’s only rage.
I love your channel and your dry sense of humour. Thank u for another great vid 😊
Supposedly, Melinda told Amanda more than once about her plans to kill Shanda, but Amanda didn't warn anyone because she didn't believe that Melinda would actually go through with it.A lot of people think she should've gotten into trouble for that.
I hate how much this poor girl suffered….horrific.
"Larry was simply ahead of his time." lol
Those evil girls should have been shown the same mercy they gave their victim. None whatsoever.
I'm not happy these cruel women are free out prowling around the world in neighborhoods where innocent vulnerable girls live.
The bit about the post office had me cracking up.
This crime is horrifying. I cannot imagine the pain and fear that poor girl endured. It’s disturbing to think all of them are out now.
releasing tony might make sense but the rest should be dead or behind bars
I absolutely cannot believe they're out especially Melinda and Lori
If four teenage boys had conspired to kill a 5th like this for the same motives, all of them would be rotting away in prison. It makes me sick to my stomach that all 4 of these women are out on the street after committing such a murder. Too many women who commit serious crime get off easy.
Boys in my state have gotten away with much less time.
Women do more time for murdering their husbands (15 years) than men do for murdering their wives (2 to 6 years).
Sometimes women do get off easier but it depends on the type of crime. Women are usually punished worse for violent crimes.
You're right.
Very true.
I live in Louisville, Kentucky and I remember when this happened. I was a very, very young girl, myself. Younger than the girls, but close enough both in age and location to be scared out of my mind! I appreciate this, Dr. Grande and it's absolutely disgusting that those revolting blobs are out of prison!
Same here in was 9 and it scared the scrap out of me for friendship relationships
@@helenhettinger-hayes absolutely, me too! And my momma, too! She still refers to this case often. Yikes. I don't recall the exact year this was, but I was born in 80, so however old that makes me it was very very in my mind growing up!
I'm from Indiana and remember when this occurred. Love your sense of humor as always ❤
And DV occurs at a higher rate in Lesbian women relationships, than any other.
Not true.
I'm only a minute and 30 seconds into the video and I LOVE Dr. Grande's commentary on the postal services these days. He is ON POINT 🎉 to say the least!
When you display jealousy, you often become less attractive, less fun to be around. Always be your best, happiest self, because others are paying attention. If you can't, then be quiet or leave. Whether or not your external reasons for jealousy are real or imagined should have nothing to do with your behavior. Where is the anger really coming from? From the other person or you? Life is short; be of good will always.
Useless platitudes.
@@eadweard. Thank you for your reply. Have a great day.
Your nonchalant humor is incredible, and it's consistent across all your videos. At this point, I'm always looking forward to big doses of laughter in a new video you upload, along with some interesting topics and new information to think about! I don't say this that often about anyone, but I stan you! Keep up the good work. 👌❤
"Shower- remodelling tips from Nornan Bates"😂
Untreated mental issues and unstable homes can be a dangerous combination. The stability of our family units is super important to society and the children. There was nothing stable about this environment. From that everything can easily spiral.
I also remember being sad when I saw my school mentioned at the beginning of the Jeremy video by Pearl Jam. There's several newspaper clippings at the beginning and the murder is one of them. Those girls put us on the map for all the wrong reasons.
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Yeees!! I literally was waiting for this one! Thank you so much!
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@@robertgreen2176 Just a other day with Dr Grande
I've always been obsessed with this case. I bought the Aphrodite Jones book at Barnes & Noble 20+ years ago. I loved the OG true crime mass market paperbacks with the pictures in the middle.
Heavy Metal is a way better media obsession. 🤘
Crochet is a way better obsession
@@cmng9360 oh I crochet too!!
Me, too.
Great way to start the week! Thanks Dr Grande!
Legend has it that Dr. grande did over 4000 takes of this video in order to correctly say “Shanda and Amanda” every single time.
Teenagers can be extremely cruel. Horrible the way they continued beating even though she was still alive. One of the worst cases
I’m amazed by the number and consistent quality of your videos.
You are also the undisputed master of sarcasm. Many of these videos are really dark and they really benefit from a bit of humor.
Thank you!
Wow horrific story- & they are all out - horrific- ❤️ ya Dr G-
That is a heinous murder. The first two are lucky they did not get the death penalty. Wow
They were minors. Not adults...
@@Catlily5 they were charged as adults. The level of violence displayed is so vicious I have to imagine there are people sitting on death row for far less. And as stated by Doc, there was evidence out the wazoo. The prosecutor had them all dead to rights.
@@ryanbailey6401 They committed a very horrible crime but I think society tends to go easier on people under age of 18 and especially under the age of 15.
This 15 year old kid in my state gunned down 5 members of his own family one by one as they came home. The youngest victims were his siblings ages 5 and 2. He was planning to shoot more people at Walmart but instead went to his church and confessed to his pastor He wasn't eligible for the death penalty due to age. He went to a treatment center instead of jail and they were talking about releasing him at age 21. Instead he was sentenced to 30 years without parole.
Why did Indiana cut them a deal? They had a confession. Surprised they didn't pursue the death penalty for the worst two girls, the victim's death was absolutely heinous.
We have a system of Justice that has never worked as it was intended. They play favorites, privilege, and white supremacy. These girls may have been under age, but they knew what they were doing. Apparently, to kill and see someone die is a thrill that many desire. They are sick.
Their young age.
This was completely disgusting every player was toxic.
Can’t believe how these monstrous people are freed presently.
This horrific tragedy happened 45 minutes from where I live. If I remember this correctly, Lori also sodomized Shanda with the tire iron and one of the girls sprayed her wounds with window cleaner. I remember my high school current events teacher attended the trial and shared that information in our class. As a 16 year old, I couldn't believe something so awful could happen so close to our small, rural community. 30 years later, unfortunately it's become a common occurrence. Thank you for sharing this on your channel. Appreciate how you share these crime stories.
Hello,here are some facts,Hope, Lori and Melinda have all denied committing the act, and none of them know how Shanda was injured. Toni also denies any involvement, but points the finger at the other three, and I quote Toni Lawrence: "Mary, Melinda and Hope got out, opened the trunk, someone sodomized her, no one will admit it, and I was in the back seat, out of the way" (Toni said this happened on Lemon Road, so not long before he burned her).
So three girls were on top of Shanda and Toni didn't see exactly who sodomized Shanda because she stayed in the car, but the fact that none of the other three said who did the penetration makes me think that maybe all three took an active part in the rape, either taking turns or holding Shanda while one did the thing, which means all three are guilty of rape, regardless of who penetrated her.
(If only one of the three had assaulted Shanda, the other two or one of them would have reported the assailant, and vice versa).
Loveless, Rippey and tackett were officially charged with sexual assault.
But later, the rape charge was dropped along with six other charges as part of the guilty pleas, meaning that none of them would be tried for sexual assault; in other words, it was as if Shanda had never been sexually assaulted.
In the end, following an agreement with the prosecutor, only three of the original ten charges were brought against the defendants: arson, murder and criminal confinement.
So, based on the elements of the case file I've cited in above, I think Hope, Melinda and Laurie assaulted Shanda. In any case, we don't know who sodomized Shanda and we probably never will, none of the three girls wanted to denounce themselves or the culprit(s), in my opinion, because all three of them did it in one way or another.
In conclusion, I don't think we can say with any certainty that it was Lori who attacked Shanda, and the same goes for the other two. The only thing we do know is that, at the precise moment when this despicable act was perpetrated, Shanda was under the influence of three attackers, not just one. But even if we can't state anything with certainty, nothing prevents us from having hypotheses, obviously based on facts and reliable sources.
For example, I'm 99% sure it was Melinda's idea to rape her, so I'm 99% sure it was her who sodomized Shanda, but that doesn't mean the other two didn't take part. I could argue my opinion if you're interested, but for now I'll stop here as I realize I've already written a lot, in any case, I wish you a good day.
In Russia there’s a practice for not just defendants, but also for the victim side to hire lawyers. I kind thought it was odd at first, but the idea is to make sure the state/prosecution does their job and doesn’t let criminals get away too easy. Cases like this make me think it’s not such a crazy idea. What’s crazy is that these sick people are out free now among the society. The society gains nothing from them being out. Should’ve been locked up for good.
I lived in Madison Indiana while I attended Mortuary College in Jeffersonville IN. (1st exit across the river from Louisville). My relatives told me about this case. Madison is a small town & was such a shock (as it would be anywhere). My Uncle actually took me by the location where Shanda was found. It was years later of course. Such evil, cruel girls. If I'm not mistaken, Shanda was only 12 or 13 when she first got involved w/ these vultures. She was continuously tortured, & left like garbage is so disgusting. All this from young girls. Scary. But how they are allowed to now walk free----I don't know how Shandas loved ones can cope.
Thanks for covering this story, Dr. 'BIG'.🙂👍
I remember Shanda's mom confronting Hope on a talk show.
@Tomika Kelly I think this was on Dr Phil show; and Shanda's mom was doing anything but comforting her. She was calmly questioning this Hope girl on why she didn't trry to stop things and let it get so far. Her mother told Hope that the only thing she could have done for her to make anything better, would be to not continually seek her parole, but stay in prison for her entire sentence. which none of them did.. Shanda's mom Jacqie Vaught had Shanda's aunt with her on Dr Phil also, and it was not pleasant for Hope!
@@vsroseconfronting, not comforting
"Shandaandamanda" now stuck in my head
Excellent analysis as usual, Dr. Grande. We are fortunate to have access to a daily dose of rational discourse with regard to these cases. Thank you.
I don't understand how those people are free after what they did.
I can't understand it, either.
This crime shook me to the core when I first heard about it... there aren't words to truly convey the cruelty enacted on Shanda, and by people she had no reason to fear otherwise - young women her own age. The fact that Shanda _almost_ didn't get in the car had a profound effect on me, and I have never discounted my gut feeling in a situation since. I'm horrified that Melinda & Laurie have been released from jail, because the level of depravity they displayed isn't something that you can be rehabilitated from... millions of teens grow up listening to "depressing" music, dressing in black & dabbling in the occult, and just like those raised in abusive homes & every other excuse they tried to use to justify themselves, they _don't go on to torture & murder._ RIP Shanda 💜
This a truly shocking and disgusting crime. Dr. Grande, please answer “People with Cluster C personality traits make up _____% of the population.”
Your show is the best on you tube.It seems as though you have made 9 new videos ( plus a podcast?!!) since Friday morning HST!!! Thank you very much! Excellent thought provoking work and humor. Bravo!
@Titastravels I made a glaring error, Dr.Grande. The above question should have read”… Cluster B personality traits….”?I apologize. Thank you.🫤
They were all horrible and senseless murderers.
You were sooo spot on with regard to your comments on the postal service Dr. Grande…omg you cracked me up!! (I am retired from the USPS after thirty- six LONG years!! Haha)
let this case be a reminder to not get caught up in someone else's problems or perceived problems
Revenge, Envy and Competition.
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ABC&Me
The teen girl equation that fits on a Post-It note.
Dr. Grande, you have apparently attempted to track lost mail. Me too. Jesus take rhe wheel.
I heard about this case before on another channel that I no longer listen to because of stoners and giggly vapid girls, so I definitely look forward to hearing your analysis, Dr. Grande!
I know. There are still a few channels out there that do a good job and do it with respect.
Thanks for another insightful video, Dr. Grande. I look forward to these on a daily basis! 😀
I had never heard about this case before. What an absolutely awful attack those girls put Shanda through. Poor Shanda. Her death sounds so heartbreaking. 💔 I can't believe that all of those monsters have since been granted their freedom. Absolutely disgusting that they get to have a future but Shanda doesn't.
On a side note, you're anecdotes and one liners are always so good, they catch me off guard. 😆 I'm begging you to write a screw ball comedy one day! Haha. 😆😎 I hope you have a great day and keep on rocking, good sir!
This is one of the most brutal murders I've ever heard of.
Dr G, hilarious about Norman Bates analogy & modern post office!
I totally agree with your viewpoint.
My grandfather was the sheriff of Madison, IN at the time of this murder. He was one of the first people to see the sight of the murder. He had to drive the girls who killed Shanda to different jails/trials. He never talked about it once it was all over my grandma said...didn't know he was involved with this murder until he had passed. Such a tragic and horrible thing to happen to someone so young. Always love your videos Dr.Grande, you do a great job!
Ranks right alongside the Skylar Neese case. What makes the Neese case worse...Frenemies instead of Enemies.
The more I think about cases like Shanda's, Michele Avila's, and Skylar Neese's, the more I'm thankful to be a loner, as a teen and now. It's so awful that these poor girls couldn't even trust their "friends".
Phenomenal all around.
May I ask, why it is always an issue, when people wear black clothes and listen to Metal music? I wear black since I was a child and I love Black Metal. I am not violent, I hate aggressive humans and prefer good manners.
Teen angst.
who said that it is an issue?^^
Dr. Grande just pointed out that she was different in some aspects to the rest of the group.
@@eadweard. exactly!
Your wry and dry humor is always appreciated.
This is one of the most horrifying stories I've ever heard.
This is Horrifying!! Brutal, and Savage! 💔💔💔💔🙏🙏🙏🙏🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️ To be So Vicious, and Cruel,and at such a young age! They all should have Received LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE!!
🙌🏻 Yes!
I've heard of so many cases but this is definitely one of the worst I've heard of, if not the worst. I read the book on this case and it's repulsive beyond words what they did to her. They aren't human, I don't know how they sleep at night knowing what they did to an innocent twelve year old child. The fact they are out of jail makes me very disappointed in the justice system.
I doubt the church member was concerned with Melinda’s demons; I’m sure he was more concerned with satisfying his own. 😢 sick, sick people. All four girls were very damaged; however, it doesn’t excuse the horrific behavior later. IMO, Amanda held responsibility in this case, as well. She was older and had no business introducing a 12-year old child to sex. Amanda also played a large part in pitting Melinda against Shanda. My opinion, don’t come for me.