I just went to my locals to test a similar lost box list (with thorns and terapagos), i went 3-0 today (1 vs hydreigon, 2 vs klawf terapagos) and so far, i feel like it's a deck that forces me to sequence my plays, use my searches more effectively (to know what's in the deck and what's prized) and map prizes. It has so many options since you can go for ohkos with pikachu, stop basic decks with terapagos' second attack (I honestly thought klawf would destroy me, but terapagos blocking it's attacks was huge), buy time with thorns, snipe the bench with both greninja and sableye, take a prize lead with cramorant and you can even charge ursaluna early and catch an opponent off guard. But it´s also even more comitted than somehing like giratina vstar, in that deck you don't have to manage where your energy is as much as this one, and every resource in the lost zone is something you really have to think of, assuming your 2 lightning energy are in the deck and sending 1 into the lost zone turn 1 can lose you the game asap if you don't get the extra prized one, it's a wonderful deck to learn to get better at the game because of how punishing mistakes can be, and the skill ceiling is very high, finding those 330hp KOs can be tough but extremely rewarding once you nail down how to prepare for them. For the list, I felt like cancelling cologne only helps to ohko an opponent's pikachu maybe a cornerstone ogerpon but that loses a 1v1 if you hit it first with terapagos (you can even switch cart it send a comfey with rescue board into the active, retreat and go back to terapagos, the extra 30 hp denies the KO bc of their double turbo), mimikyu dies to cramorant, if you even encounter milotic, you can charge thorns and take it out bc of weakness, and an opposing iron thorns can only block greninja and pikachu, so it's out of my list, I play a night stretcher to recover one of the attackers asap or get an energy in hand to attach manually if i don't have any. I know there's other changes but idr them atm.
@@PokeSharkYT it has a bit of a weird combo for zard, electrode + super effective glasses + sneasler + poison = 330 dmg, sounds like a lot of pieces but the deck is very fast tbh, granted, it's not something that makes the matchup that good anyway, and more often than not, it wins by poisoning pidgey in front of pecharunt early on and slowing down the zard. Honestly, idk its drago matchup, but just looking at it, seems like it depends on how good/bad the opening hand is, if they manage to soften regidrago with poison early on and don't bench the klawfs before being ready to attack, it should be fine i guess
I was playing with my girl and she was using raging bolt and I was use of my slaking ex and I run 2 terapagos ex, and I was kinda stumped because I realized if I just use crown opal on terapagos she can’t hit it right? Then if I keep using it I basically will just win? Not sure if that’s how it would work.
Techically yes, but you would need the three different types of energy needed to use crown opal. Putting those energies into the deck would just take up space for when you don’t need to use crown opal, and would slow your game down tremendously against other decks. But if you did just use crown opal in that specific matchup then yeah, they wouldn’t be able to attack at all (if she was running a standard bolt build)
yes but you'd need 2 conditions to guarantee that win: manage to play all 3 energies into your terapagos and have no other pokemon in play, if she played boss orders (or prime catcher, counter catcher, pokemon catcher, etc), the effect is gone, she can even play it twice, one to send terapagos to the bench, the effect goes away, and another one to bring it back in the active, at that point she can attack normally
I disagree with a couple of these placements. I think lost box is way too high and you’re underselling Gholdengo. Lost box still struggles because one of the best decks is still drago. Gholdengo is able to deal huge damage and while doesn’t have the biggest HP pool, it still can take hit, which is important because it’s its own draw engine and is able to get you out of sticky situations. There have been so many times where I go down to like 1 or 2 cards in hand, and Gholdengo is able to draw me back into the game.
Some players will consider the deck's consistency. Energy management makes gholdengo less consistent than klawf and you must consider the amount of fighting-weak Pokemons playing rn
As someone who's been playing a bit of lost box pika, I mostly agree, it's definitely not top 1. I think the placement for gholdengo is fair tho. I understand the gholdengo hype, it's very real, but the main issue i see in it is that it's very linear, has one of the roughest matchups vs stall/control (very hard time dealing with thorns, ogerpon and mimikyu, a pidgeot control player placing genesect with a tool turn 1 slows it down a lot, not really much space to add more than 1 cancelling cologne), it's matchups vs mainly single prize decks like gardevoir and ancient box aren't in its favor (lugia can screw up your prize map too, but there's some wiggle room) and it's pretty even into raging bolt (usually comes down to who gets the first KO) and regidrago, to be fair, it's great into miraidon and terapagos (idk about klawf terapagos, but it should be good or maybe even). It's a good deck imo, i just wish it was more versatile
It is insane how good klawf is especially with terapagos. It is so cool. Gotta love them klawf sticks
I just went to my locals to test a similar lost box list (with thorns and terapagos), i went 3-0 today (1 vs hydreigon, 2 vs klawf terapagos) and so far, i feel like it's a deck that forces me to sequence my plays, use my searches more effectively (to know what's in the deck and what's prized) and map prizes. It has so many options since you can go for ohkos with pikachu, stop basic decks with terapagos' second attack (I honestly thought klawf would destroy me, but terapagos blocking it's attacks was huge), buy time with thorns, snipe the bench with both greninja and sableye, take a prize lead with cramorant and you can even charge ursaluna early and catch an opponent off guard.
But it´s also even more comitted than somehing like giratina vstar, in that deck you don't have to manage where your energy is as much as this one, and every resource in the lost zone is something you really have to think of, assuming your 2 lightning energy are in the deck and sending 1 into the lost zone turn 1 can lose you the game asap if you don't get the extra prized one, it's a wonderful deck to learn to get better at the game because of how punishing mistakes can be, and the skill ceiling is very high, finding those 330hp KOs can be tough but extremely rewarding once you nail down how to prepare for them.
For the list, I felt like cancelling cologne only helps to ohko an opponent's pikachu maybe a cornerstone ogerpon but that loses a 1v1 if you hit it first with terapagos (you can even switch cart it send a comfey with rescue board into the active, retreat and go back to terapagos, the extra 30 hp denies the KO bc of their double turbo), mimikyu dies to cramorant, if you even encounter milotic, you can charge thorns and take it out bc of weakness, and an opposing iron thorns can only block greninja and pikachu, so it's out of my list, I play a night stretcher to recover one of the attackers asap or get an energy in hand to attach manually if i don't have any. I know there's other changes but idr them atm.
We’re living in a Klawf world Baby 🦀🦀🦀
@@NightHawkExpress I don’t get it, it loses to Drago and zard
@@PokeSharkYT it has a bit of a weird combo for zard, electrode + super effective glasses + sneasler + poison = 330 dmg, sounds like a lot of pieces but the deck is very fast tbh, granted, it's not something that makes the matchup that good anyway, and more often than not, it wins by poisoning pidgey in front of pecharunt early on and slowing down the zard. Honestly, idk its drago matchup, but just looking at it, seems like it depends on how good/bad the opening hand is, if they manage to soften regidrago with poison early on and don't bench the klawfs before being ready to attack, it should be fine i guess
I was playing with my girl and she was using raging bolt and I was use of my slaking ex and I run 2 terapagos ex, and I was kinda stumped because I realized if I just use crown opal on terapagos she can’t hit it right? Then if I keep using it I basically will just win? Not sure if that’s how it would work.
Techically yes, but you would need the three different types of energy needed to use crown opal. Putting those energies into the deck would just take up space for when you don’t need to use crown opal, and would slow your game down tremendously against other decks. But if you did just use crown opal in that specific matchup then yeah, they wouldn’t be able to attack at all (if she was running a standard bolt build)
@@ayeajjj yes
yes but you'd need 2 conditions to guarantee that win: manage to play all 3 energies into your terapagos and have no other pokemon in play, if she played boss orders (or prime catcher, counter catcher, pokemon catcher, etc), the effect is gone, she can even play it twice, one to send terapagos to the bench, the effect goes away, and another one to bring it back in the active, at that point she can attack normally
Boss' order or Counter Catcher for countering this. Or even Iron Bundle Ability.
I disagree with a couple of these placements. I think lost box is way too high and you’re underselling Gholdengo.
Lost box still struggles because one of the best decks is still drago. Gholdengo is able to deal huge damage and while doesn’t have the biggest HP pool, it still can take hit, which is important because it’s its own draw engine and is able to get you out of sticky situations. There have been so many times where I go down to like 1 or 2 cards in hand, and Gholdengo is able to draw me back into the game.
Some players will consider the deck's consistency. Energy management makes gholdengo less consistent than klawf and you must consider the amount of fighting-weak Pokemons playing rn
As someone who's been playing a bit of lost box pika, I mostly agree, it's definitely not top 1. I think the placement for gholdengo is fair tho. I understand the gholdengo hype, it's very real, but the main issue i see in it is that it's very linear, has one of the roughest matchups vs stall/control (very hard time dealing with thorns, ogerpon and mimikyu, a pidgeot control player placing genesect with a tool turn 1 slows it down a lot, not really much space to add more than 1 cancelling cologne), it's matchups vs mainly single prize decks like gardevoir and ancient box aren't in its favor (lugia can screw up your prize map too, but there's some wiggle room) and it's pretty even into raging bolt (usually comes down to who gets the first KO) and regidrago, to be fair, it's great into miraidon and terapagos (idk about klawf terapagos, but it should be good or maybe even). It's a good deck imo, i just wish it was more versatile