I think the question is, does it matter? the amount of people trying to "expose" them just because they threaten a culture which is quite obviously simple to integrate into, is ridiculous. Must be a UK thing but maybe we just appreciate music no matter where it comes from on our small island
I completely agree with you here. Funny thing is, most people's favorite artists are consistently using ghost writers and aren't writing their own songs anyway. In their behind the scenes videos, Pete and Bas have said their grandchildren got them into drill and they help them with slang. They didn't even like drill at first but kept listening to it and they love it now. So, if you take their personal account of the situation, they admit to their grandchildren helping them write. BUT WHO CARES! I just agree with you so much. They might not write every single word, but their delivery and style is so unique. They can obviously represent the culture as well and many seem to agree since they're blowing up!
I don't thing it actually makes much difference for most people but still... it is interesting. People wanna figure it out. You could consider it entertainment.
I think you're definitely right about the UK being more accepting of other cultures. Throughout history we've been a melting pot of cultures (forced or not, for better or worse) and what we call appreciation or respect, Americans mainly call 'cultural appropriation' which on the whole is a toxic concept in itself. I've had white friends with dreads in the 90s. If they didn't have respect for the culture would they represent a part of it? British pop music has always shown appreciation and respect to other genres. Look at the Police or Culture Club in the 80s with their love of reggae or Madness and UB40 of ska and reggae etc. There are so many more examples and I'm not saying we were the only ones, but there was never the argument of 'they're stealing so and sos music' there was just acceptance and respect. Man, I never thought I'd get preachy on a Pete and Bas video lol
People buy tabloids to hear about people's kids and what not. Nothing wrong wanting to know more about these guys. I don't really care if they're real or characters, but I want to know more about them.
Ain't no way that after thousands of us telling you that yes they f'ing write their own lyrics with the help of their grandkids. Then on top of that, you got this video telling you the exact same thing but for some odd reason you still don't believe it, or don't want to....like what??
And he chooses the lowest common denominator of a video 😅 I find it so annoying that the two best videos about Pete and Bas have the least views, and in one of them you can hear snippets "Browns" & "Generals Corners" long before they was released! Meet The 70-Year-Old UK Drill Rappers_ Pete & Bas
@@kylemclachlan8651 ooh wait you're that guy that apparently knows everything there I know about Pete & Bas....yea how they can't rap and its not them, bla bla bla...be honest what do you have over your windows in your basement? Foil or newspapers? Do you sleep with your tinfoil hat on? I guess you do so that the government doesn't read your thoughts huh??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
This video is telling you bullshit because Bas' real name is Basil Preuveneers not Basil Belgrave you can look it up on google there's pictures of him on a uk notary website, and it says he built that notary practice from solo work so he is a notary. They don't write anything the whole thing 91studio and Sindhuworld those are all LLC's in name of Addison brothers, Barnaby Baxter Addison put that in google and pete & bas and frank & maury pictures come up. Btw have you heard of Frank and Maury? Yeah pretty much the american Pete & Bas. Same thing done by the same people the Addison brothers.
I'm lived in London a lot of years and met many old geezers like Pete and Bas, They are authentic in many ways and probably embellish a bit, but there's a real love of language in their generation and doesn't seem too much of a stretch that it translates into rap, there's a rhythm to how they speak that is a reflection of the old London street slang that's sadly dying out. And yes, they probably did some shady things along the way.
I live in Peckham and have literally seen Pete out and about. Growing up in Peckham you can meet a thousand Pete and Bas. They represent something very real
This is a far more accurate description than talking about them as gangsters. My Partners grandparents ran a pub (bar) in south London and you can hear some of the pub banter they use in Pete and Bas’ lyrics.
I'm from Peckham, grew up in the 70's and I believe every word they say. That's how it was back then and some of the things we got up to still blows my mind to this day.
Considering these guys took 5-10 years to perfect their craft, it feels legit. Yeah, there are people who've rapped their whole lives that are worse than them, but there are also gifted people who take off after rapping for 2 years. Talent and dedication matter. I really don't see any solid reason to doubt them anymore, other than discriminating against their age.
Just for context, much of what they're saying as a "backstory" was not uncommon back in the 60s, 70s, 80s and even 90s. Bare-knuckle boxing is still big in the UK underground working class communities but back in those days it was huge. Again, being involved with stolen cars (back then cars were much easier to steal and chop, they were high value and they were much less traceable - you only need to look into how huge Scotland Yard's "Flying Squad" became in that era to understand how common this sort of crime was and, also, how involved top level police officers often were themselves) and criminality whilst working as a Postman was also pretty common back in the 70s. In fact, there were numerous rackets which were discovered being operated through the sorting offices of the Postal service so none of this is entirely unbelievable. Also, to say a working class guy from South London had connections to the Richardsons back in the 60s was not uncommon - in fact, back then, if you were in South London, in those communities and you were even a little bit off the straight and narrow then the Richardsons probably would have known you. How close that connection was is debatable but, I would say, there are a few people still around with documented involvement with the Richardsons (not to mention Eddie Richardson himself) and, as far as I'm aware, nobody has called Pete out on that yet (although it's very possible they've not been made aware of his claims. Eddie has no problem, even at his old age, calling people out when they try and come out with stuff about his family that isn't true though). What I would say is Pete & Bas being some what vague and not wanting to talk about that stuff is just how ALL those guys used to be. They never had the need, nor ability, to brag on Social Media about EVERYTHING that they were getting up to and so the way Pete & Bas handle those sorts of questions about "their life" is exactly how I would expect people from their era to be. It isn't so much about what they are saying, or not saying, it is about what people who ARE from that life are not saying about them. Until someone like Eddie Richardson comes forward and says Pete & Bas are total phonies I give them the benefit of the doubt, whilst also being fully aware that everyone embellishes a little bit and memories often differ slightly.
@matthewwalker5430 If that wasn't the truth, I don't know what is! Preach brother! I'm 58 and from South London. Battersea - SW. But you know how South Londoners travelled everywhere, so I was regularly in SE. Peckham, Walworth, Elephant, Rotherhithe, Bermondsey, and the rest. When it came to gangsters, there was only one family to talk about. The rest couldn't even pretend! Cut out the new slang out of their songs, and we're left with what's been happening on the wrong side of the law for the past century. The products might have upgraded, but the process is the same. And I think I've said enough now.
His granddaughter was 13 when he was around 60. 5-10 years later the started blowing up. Making their grand children are around 18, dead middle in today's youth, aging 14-22, so they have they connection to what the youth likes,
i was a nickle and dime drug dealer and car boost, i went into the navy ,when i got out i was a sous chef, body guard, bail enforcement agent, and corrections officer. when i was 31 i had my first professional MMA fight i went on with that for 5 years and got 4 titles out of it. now mind you i was a dj since the age of 9 and i mean a REAL cuttin scratchin mixin ass dj and done it my whole life off and on. i retired from djing in 2017 and started producing music. i am now a WU- Family producer who has done quite a bit of projects and actually had my music up for Grammy consideration, i just turned 50 on May 7th. life has MANY twits and turns my friend..
Thank you for going into these guys! more please! they epic! Whatever the story is, they are an inspiration cause they are just living life to the fullest even in the fouth quarter of the game!
Cockney helps for the fast speech and Bas plays trumpet so has good breath control. If you check their first track shut your mouth and compare it with what they bring now you cannot deny they learned and got better really fast (regardless if they write it themselves or not though I think the input of their grandkids should not be underestimated personally ... )
Hi Black Pegasus, I was here for your 1st Pete and Baz reaction and the second, in each your mouth was open, with disbelief. Eyes Shocked and even now, funny. I reckon they are genuine, they can rap...🤩😆😎☝️🖼☝️🎇
They are real and they are FIRE, its art, sure they dont do beats and production but Bas is an actual professional musician which puts him way ahead of most garbage today.
Do one of their older tracks next, you'll see how much they have developed over time, I recommend 'Pint and a Fag' (I know YT doesn't like that term but you also know it means cigarette here, so just do F*g) and if you want some straight fire again, do Mr WorldWide next
I'm so late to Pete and Bas. I too am like yo are these guys actually for real? And the answer is unequivocally YES. These guys have flow, cadence, lyrical wordplay, doubles, triples, all of that. Plus they're just fun, engaging and deliver it so well. Killing it. Hopefully not literally...
I don't know.. I feel like they seen shit💯.. All the older people in my life have told me stories that would put the hairs on your arms on end.. Real Gs😯😎🔥🤟.. When you take the time to connect with different generations you learn alot. Great rection BP. Love Pete n bas 🖤
I personally think that YES obviously there's an entertainment factor, they seem like smart men, but that doesn't mean they aren't truthful. They understand how entertaining it can be, but It's not staged, it's authentic, but again; there IS the entertainment factor, think about how a LOT of rappers exaggerate/paraphrase to make things more interesting, again; music whether you like it or not, is ENTERTAINMENT. The fact they blend a bit of comedy, seriousness, and fun together should be evident of it just being for the love of the music. I believe them personally, I think it's irresponsible to just assume something is fake when you see how much money and hard work is being put into it. Props to the old timers for keeping it real during the difficult times these past years. You should check out some of the songs with the other old dudes they collab with, those are usually more comedy oriented, think of the songs where Pete and Bas are alone as their more serious music (the other guys too, Norman Pain is a REAL one tbh). Then with the other guys, like The Northern Boys or The Snooker Team (If I recall Norman Pain is in both), etc. Those are more funny than serious, and honestly it'll be a good reaction for the stream, for a bit more comedy involved. Norman Pain has some crazy gritty songs, dude definitely has suffered in life and knows how to show it. Imho my favorite songs Norman Pain has put out so far are "F*ck" and "Pain & Strife" check them out sometime. Alternatively they have a collab together, "Pete & Bas - Golf ft. Norman Pain"
Either way they perform the characters even if it’s through some filter of others helping with the songs. Which still is incredible for these two older gentlemen to be performing these characters for us and doing this
Black Pegasus waddup?Mi name Black Dragon outta Bulawayo, Zimbabwe.Big up oonuself Pegasus,Black to the max and well proud of that.Maximum respect bredda
A lot of main stream artists just sing songs that have been written for them so if they don’t write their lyrics they still rapping with mad skills . But just like ren, bas knows music and instruments and both of them are cockneys so they grew up with Cockney rhyming slang as part of their daily language and Pete growing up in Peckham rise in south London he no doubt could have been a young one involved with the Richardson family and he’s hardley my gonna self snitch on what he did although he does give you a bit of a history lesson about himself in the song “ golf “ so maybe try that song . Nothing is impossible 🤷🏻♂️ great reaction
Make sense that they got good after 5 years. Its super common for people to get good after a couple years, hence why most rappers come out the gate at 17-19. Wasn't snoop 19 when he recorded his first song with Dre? Plus Bas is a musician makes sense that he knows how structure writing and know what sounds good. If they have help writing meh. Didn't stop me from listening to NWA or any of Dre's albums. And their stories seem genuine. Bas sounds like my late grandpa. Gotta remember they had a full life so they did a lot. I've switched up and had totally different things going on in my 40 years. I only know a hand full of people that have been doing to same thing since high school and I don't envy them.
I could care less whether they’re writing their own shit or not. There’s so many fake gangsta rappers out there and so many wack rappers out there. They’re making good music and that’s all I care about.
I would also say that, in the UK at least, we have a natural affinity toward the English language, witticisms and rhyme. In London, where Pet and Bas are from, we have a form of slang that is pushing 200 years old (maybe older) called "Rhyming Slang" or "Cockney rhyming slang" and many people in the UK speak it so fluently we don't even realise when we are using it. For people of their generation in particular they use a LOT of rhyming slang and, funnily enough, rhyming slang and Hip-Hop do fit together quite well. I think Pete & Bas almost certainly write their own lyrics when they're using classic Cockney slang, I mean they speak it in their common discourse anyway, but when their lyrics contain more modern slang they've probably had a little help with that. Not sure how much that really matters in the end though.
I choose to believe their story. There are bars that they spit that nobody would ever think to spit unless you had that experience or at least saw it with your own eyes. Here are some recommendations: Quick 1-2, Golf, Browns, Generals Corner, Windowframe Cypher part 1 and 2, Mr. Worldwide.
Age gains experience, and Pete and Bas have a ton of it to use as they body beat after beat! Never missing! The old group are Pete and Bas' crew The Snooker Team. They appear in many P&B videos, and rap in two Window Frame Cyphers. The Indian member is Uncle Bal, who owns Sindhu World who make all the videos. The album 'Quick Little Mixtape' is 🔥 Your rabbit hole - 'Browns' 'Quick 1-2' 'Mr Worldwide' 'The General's Corner with Kenny Allstar' 'Bermondsey' 'Golf' 'Lightwork Freestyle' 'The Old Estate with M24' 'Quick Little Freestyle' Can't remember if did 'Plugged-in with Fumez the Engineer' And there's more bangers! Masters 🐐 🐐
all i really care about is if pete and bas are the ones doing the rapping, which i 100% believe they are. Whoever writes the lyrics and beats is fantastic. Pete and Bas got the delivery. It's all fire.
P&B are real and are a fact. The evidence is clear, their live concerts throughout Europe and we see that it is not only the public that enjoys them, but also their followers on social networks in each video. They have earned the respect and admiration of everyone including the rappers of the United States, as is the case, of T-Pain who already have a remix together. They are a lesson for all generations of rappers. It is never too late if the talent exists. Greeting from Cuba.
Pete and Bas have more street cred than most rappers, lol. As for having ghost writers, they've been out long enough that if that was true, it would have leaked out by now. Writing lyrics is a mental challenge, not physical, so i don't know why people find it so unbelievable that they could put together these bars. Their flow alone is impeccable, and you can tell they are comfortable behind the mic. The only thing people pay attention to is their age, but their minds are as sharp as any of the rappers out today.
There are 6 old dudes making music together. Pete and Bas are the main duo and three of the others go by "the Northern Boys" and are a more rap/rock style.
Oh wow you haven't done the window frames? I recommend this path down this complete rabbit hole: Windows frame cypher feat. snooker team part 1 and 2 Northern boys - nobody likes me And then finally the master piece that is: Norman Pain - Sonnet That last song and video needs 10 million views. If anyone ever doubted the talent of these old timers, that song cements that doubt at a building site.
ain't about where they been, it's about where they are now...ol boys are smashin it...simples🎉...an NO..I didn't watch your video...Big up my UK dons🎉😂
I just found them and unfortunately (yes i'll call'em out) I saw Stevie Knight reactions before this one and I appreciate your desire to learn about these two! Stevie came off as angry as hell.....You seemed legitimately curious and non judgemental!
Dude think about what has happened in the last 70 years. They survived it and they are kicking like this, don't matter what the story is, they gangsta respect
They've studied the genre like Amy other type of music, it's fairly simple and Bas' musical experience is easy to transfer over with timing, breath control etc.
Deny as much aa you want. Heres the thing. Even if they didnt write it. They do it live. They know it in ans out, they know the flow, they know the bars, and they deliver fire. Even if they gavw a ghost writer, theyre still better than most in the game today.
The Northern Boys are who was with them. Their life experiences and vocabulary by age 70- and obviously their imaginations give them topics- and 5 - 6 years when your retired gives you time- plus it is probably quality time with the grandkids 😂😂😂😂
Thanks BP for introducing me into some crazy music that I would never even heard of before I’ve been following you since you started getting demonetized for the jab Stay blessed
So for me im not 100% sure if they write there own lyrics. (with some help). Back in the day i was more of a guy that appreciated someone writing their own stuff that they rapped. If you didn't write your own stuff then... Idk was just the times and how it was. But nowadays its not that big of a deal to me (Even tho its preferred). But even Drake doesn't write alot of his stuff. There are so many rappers out there that has ghostwriters. For me its how they deliver it and the flow they do. They can out rap most rappers out there these days and thats just the fact. They sound dope im enjoying it. I just hope im living like they do when im 70. Big up Pete & Bas.
Regardless, I'm totally down with them bringing my attention to UK music once again. Without them I never would have found Ren, Chinchilla, or Sam Tompkins. Also, I've known many people in my lifetime, some looked like straight up citizens and had good jobs, but did the dirtiest grimiest stuff . They truly presented low key, but if people knew....
They defo write their own lyrics because some of the references and slang they use, even for uk listeners are old. They've just learnt modern slang to help tell their stories.
Here's the thing. The real ones who were somehow involved with the Richardsons or Krays who served their time for crimes, talk about it. Those who had dealings and didn't serve for any crimes...don't 😂 Very sound reasoning.
Pete and Bas is definitely a colab project, but they have the energy and ability to spit the bars (even if not all in one go), and they definitely have input on the writing, I'm an old geezer and pick up little bits that the younger/non-uk reactors will always miss. They have good personas, telling something close to the truth is the best lie, and at the end of the day they are highly entertaining, that's enough - enjoy the show and stop looking for the strings holding them up.
I know you're loving the brit vibes...so thought I'd mention an artist called Slowthai....hes another braking boundaries.....it's for want of a better analogy the dark side of Ren???? His new album is amazing. But I'd start with Doorman, that's what got me into him
The only thing that would disappoint me is if their old was just makeup. I don't care about the rest. They could buy lyrics off of ebay and make up backstories and all of that and I don't care. Those dudes are awesome and that's all I'm interested in. I showed my 76 year old dad some of their music and he said it was great and they're having a ton of fun and their music gives them something to look forward to every day and that's what keeps them going.
I enjoy their story, but its truthfulness is not important to me because their work transcends any story. They are artists, pure and simple. Their lyrics are 2, 3 even 4 deep, there's no one else writing that well. IMO
Yes it's two brothers who own the sinduworld. They tried to do it in the usa with frank and murray but it didn't take off and exposed that they are most likely just actors. The old ad they posted is archived how they are looking for actors to play rappers like they did in london. The music is fantastic whoever is writing and performing. Been listening to rap since the late 80s and the skill involved is top 5% I've heard. If love to hear them do an actual freestyle even a 10 second one on the street but in a studio. The concerts don't count. I've watched multple ones and most of the time petes not even rapping. He holds the mic right up to his lips so you can't see him miming wrong.id love to be wrong
The insecurities of aspiring rappers on full display with the shrinkage. I’ve seen so many Pete & Bas reaction videos. So many times they start by laughing, then cling to denial and disbelief, even looking pissed, but eventually they all have to admit it’s fire. After facing the reality that P&B can drill better than everyone, they try to shoot ‘em down by claiming they have ghost writers or that they’re still a novelty/gimmick. Just accept that they are legit and even if you get another 50 years you’ll never spit like them.
My take is they seem pretty honest when it comes to their writing process and if you go through their work chronologically you can see their progression and its consistent with someone developing skill in a craft through practice and that would be pretty hard to fake imo. As far as their backgrounds I think they're dodgy but in the "old dudes telling stories" sort of way where you're never gonna know for sure what's exaggerated and what's not and I really don't think it matters. The only thing I wish they could have answered is my understanding is that 2 of Pete's grandkids are "producers/engineers" (not sure what the correct terminology is) for 91SHOTS and do their beats but I haven't been able to truely confirm that
I love watching magic tricks yet I still am very curious about how it is ACTUALLY done. Personally I don’t think Pete and Bas are artists so much as they are the artwork itself. That doesn’t make it less impressive. I don’t think the artist’s behind the project and Frank and Maury, (and possibly Norther Boys) are going for a cash grab so much as they are playing with social media as an art medium. Think of the band Gorillaz. They created an entire animated band with backstory that the actual artists play behind. GWAR did it to cartoonish proportions. Look at comedian Andy Kauffman.
The reason why you keep being so skeptical is your LATE to them,They probably get help here and there,truthfully alot of rappers do,of course they not going to be up on current references like yung dudes BUT they also spit alot of old uk references that its hard for others to write for them,also its hard to take OTHER peoplez writing structure and FLOW like they do,especially the switch ups and transitions so i think they write most of it just get editing tips to make it sound current,no matter they still two of the best technical rappers that ever lived
Oh, Black P. I got an idea for a reaction video. So I saw an announcement that ren was added to the Lalapalooza line up. I was hyped and ready to take my son to his first concert. Then i found out is was a female named ren. No idea who she is or if she is any good. Would love to see a reaction video titled "The Wrong Ren"
I think the question is, does it matter? the amount of people trying to "expose" them just because they threaten a culture which is quite obviously simple to integrate into, is ridiculous. Must be a UK thing but maybe we just appreciate music no matter where it comes from on our small island
I completely agree with you here. Funny thing is, most people's favorite artists are consistently using ghost writers and aren't writing their own songs anyway. In their behind the scenes videos, Pete and Bas have said their grandchildren got them into drill and they help them with slang. They didn't even like drill at first but kept listening to it and they love it now. So, if you take their personal account of the situation, they admit to their grandchildren helping them write. BUT WHO CARES! I just agree with you so much. They might not write every single word, but their delivery and style is so unique. They can obviously represent the culture as well and many seem to agree since they're blowing up!
I know. if not them these old legends exists out there. the kray twins had a big crew :)
I don't thing it actually makes much difference for most people but still... it is interesting. People wanna figure it out. You could consider it entertainment.
I think you're definitely right about the UK being more accepting of other cultures. Throughout history we've been a melting pot of cultures (forced or not, for better or worse) and what we call appreciation or respect, Americans mainly call 'cultural appropriation' which on the whole is a toxic concept in itself. I've had white friends with dreads in the 90s. If they didn't have respect for the culture would they represent a part of it? British pop music has always shown appreciation and respect to other genres. Look at the Police or Culture Club in the 80s with their love of reggae or Madness and UB40 of ska and reggae etc. There are so many more examples and I'm not saying we were the only ones, but there was never the argument of 'they're stealing so and sos music' there was just acceptance and respect. Man, I never thought I'd get preachy on a Pete and Bas video lol
People buy tabloids to hear about people's kids and what not. Nothing wrong wanting to know more about these guys. I don't really care if they're real or characters, but I want to know more about them.
Ain't no way that after thousands of us telling you that yes they f'ing write their own lyrics with the help of their grandkids. Then on top of that, you got this video telling you the exact same thing but for some odd reason you still don't believe it, or don't want to....like what??
😂😅💯
And he chooses the lowest common denominator of a video 😅
I find it so annoying that the two best videos about Pete and Bas have the least views, and in one of them you can hear snippets "Browns" & "Generals Corners" long before they was released!
Meet The 70-Year-Old UK Drill Rappers_ Pete & Bas
You are so gullible
@@kylemclachlan8651 ooh wait you're that guy that apparently knows everything there I know about Pete & Bas....yea how they can't rap and its not them, bla bla bla...be honest what do you have over your windows in your basement? Foil or newspapers? Do you sleep with your tinfoil hat on? I guess you do so that the government doesn't read your thoughts huh??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
This video is telling you bullshit because Bas' real name is Basil Preuveneers not Basil Belgrave you can look it up on google there's pictures of him on a uk notary website, and it says he built that notary practice from solo work so he is a notary. They don't write anything the whole thing 91studio and Sindhuworld those are all LLC's in name of Addison brothers, Barnaby Baxter Addison put that in google and pete & bas and frank & maury pictures come up. Btw have you heard of Frank and Maury? Yeah pretty much the american Pete & Bas. Same thing done by the same people the Addison brothers.
I'm lived in London a lot of years and met many old geezers like Pete and Bas, They are authentic in many ways and probably embellish a bit, but there's a real love of language in their generation and doesn't seem too much of a stretch that it translates into rap, there's a rhythm to how they speak that is a reflection of the old London street slang that's sadly dying out. And yes, they probably did some shady things along the way.
I live in Peckham and have literally seen Pete out and about. Growing up in Peckham you can meet a thousand Pete and Bas. They represent something very real
This is a far more accurate description than talking about them as gangsters. My Partners grandparents ran a pub (bar) in south London and you can hear some of the pub banter they use in Pete and Bas’ lyrics.
@@Greymangeretty much why SinduWorld exists. The Northern Boys etc. Pete and Bas Excel at it, but there's definitely more around those parts
Mate shut up.
seen pete & bas at boomtown in the uk , 75,000 people festival and they smashed it
rapping over the recordings right? fool go listen to Frank and Maury. same exacr management , same people rapping
I'm from Peckham, grew up in the 70's and I believe every word they say. That's how it was back then and some of the things we got up to still blows my mind to this day.
"Beware of an old man in a profession where men usually die young."
Considering these guys took 5-10 years to perfect their craft, it feels legit. Yeah, there are people who've rapped their whole lives that are worse than them, but there are also gifted people who take off after rapping for 2 years. Talent and dedication matter. I really don't see any solid reason to doubt them anymore, other than discriminating against their age.
Either way, they are an inspiration and doing their thing! I am a Fan!
Just for context, much of what they're saying as a "backstory" was not uncommon back in the 60s, 70s, 80s and even 90s. Bare-knuckle boxing is still big in the UK underground working class communities but back in those days it was huge. Again, being involved with stolen cars (back then cars were much easier to steal and chop, they were high value and they were much less traceable - you only need to look into how huge Scotland Yard's "Flying Squad" became in that era to understand how common this sort of crime was and, also, how involved top level police officers often were themselves) and criminality whilst working as a Postman was also pretty common back in the 70s. In fact, there were numerous rackets which were discovered being operated through the sorting offices of the Postal service so none of this is entirely unbelievable. Also, to say a working class guy from South London had connections to the Richardsons back in the 60s was not uncommon - in fact, back then, if you were in South London, in those communities and you were even a little bit off the straight and narrow then the Richardsons probably would have known you. How close that connection was is debatable but, I would say, there are a few people still around with documented involvement with the Richardsons (not to mention Eddie Richardson himself) and, as far as I'm aware, nobody has called Pete out on that yet (although it's very possible they've not been made aware of his claims. Eddie has no problem, even at his old age, calling people out when they try and come out with stuff about his family that isn't true though). What I would say is Pete & Bas being some what vague and not wanting to talk about that stuff is just how ALL those guys used to be. They never had the need, nor ability, to brag on Social Media about EVERYTHING that they were getting up to and so the way Pete & Bas handle those sorts of questions about "their life" is exactly how I would expect people from their era to be. It isn't so much about what they are saying, or not saying, it is about what people who ARE from that life are not saying about them. Until someone like Eddie Richardson comes forward and says Pete & Bas are total phonies I give them the benefit of the doubt, whilst also being fully aware that everyone embellishes a little bit and memories often differ slightly.
@matthewwalker5430 If that wasn't the truth, I don't know what is! Preach brother!
I'm 58 and from South London. Battersea - SW. But you know how South Londoners travelled everywhere, so I was regularly in SE. Peckham, Walworth, Elephant, Rotherhithe, Bermondsey, and the rest. When it came to gangsters, there was only one family to talk about. The rest couldn't even pretend!
Cut out the new slang out of their songs, and we're left with what's been happening on the wrong side of the law for the past century. The products might have upgraded, but the process is the same.
And I think I've said enough now.
This is extremely inspiring and is the reason I love Pete and Bas so much. I'm always left with a smile on my face.
His granddaughter was 13 when he was around 60. 5-10 years later the started blowing up. Making their grand children are around 18, dead middle in today's youth, aging 14-22, so they have they connection to what the youth likes,
i was a nickle and dime drug dealer and car boost, i went into the navy ,when i got out i was a sous chef, body guard, bail enforcement agent, and corrections officer. when i was 31 i had my first professional MMA fight i went on with that for 5 years and got 4 titles out of it. now mind you i was a dj since the age of 9 and i mean a REAL cuttin scratchin mixin ass dj and done it my whole life off and on. i retired from djing in 2017 and started producing music. i am now a WU- Family producer who has done quite a bit of projects and actually had my music up for Grammy consideration, i just turned 50 on May 7th. life has MANY twits and turns my friend..
Life does have many twists and turns. And many twits as well. LOL
Thank you for going into these guys! more please! they epic! Whatever the story is, they are an inspiration cause they are just living life to the fullest even in the fouth quarter of the game!
Cockney helps for the fast speech and Bas plays trumpet so has good breath control. If you check their first track shut your mouth and compare it with what they bring now you cannot deny they learned and got better really fast (regardless if they write it themselves or not though I think the input of their grandkids should not be underestimated personally ... )
It’s just too cringy for me Ngl, fair play to them tho it’s a good gimmick but I just can’t watch it.
Facts 💪👏🔥
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When the joke gets old, the music gets even better. The idea that they collaborate with the grandkids is the heartwarming thing I've ever heard.
you about to go on an incredible ride... love what these guys are doing. Gives me hope as i get older
BP: Great breakdown with the 'shock value' analysis 💯💯
Hi Black Pegasus, I was here for your 1st Pete and Baz reaction and the second, in each your mouth was open, with disbelief. Eyes Shocked and even now, funny. I reckon they are genuine, they can rap...🤩😆😎☝️🖼☝️🎇
Haters gonna hate, and bp def hating
They are real and they are FIRE, its art, sure they dont do beats and production but Bas is an actual professional musician which puts him way ahead of most garbage today.
Do one of their older tracks next, you'll see how much they have developed over time, I recommend 'Pint and a Fag' (I know YT doesn't like that term but you also know it means cigarette here, so just do F*g) and if you want some straight fire again, do Mr WorldWide next
Funny "do one" of their older tracks do do one
Do one is the name of the song for people who don't get it.
Actually, shut ya mouth is older, and better.
@@davidyeo8731 You like my doubles :P
Been a fan since I saw you on Team Back Pack.
Glad to see you doing so well my man! Much love
I'm so late to Pete and Bas. I too am like yo are these guys actually for real? And the answer is unequivocally YES. These guys have flow, cadence, lyrical wordplay, doubles, triples, all of that. Plus they're just fun, engaging and deliver it so well. Killing it. Hopefully not literally...
Dude, London is no joke. Seriously. If you don't believe it all, believe at least half of it and these dudes are still hard.
I don't know.. I feel like they seen shit💯.. All the older people in my life have told me stories that would put the hairs on your arms on end.. Real Gs😯😎🔥🤟.. When you take the time to connect with different generations you learn alot. Great rection BP. Love Pete n bas 🖤
3 years, my man, just 3 years and they blew up!
Getting the grandkids to translate old slang to current slang is genius
I personally think that YES obviously there's an entertainment factor, they seem like smart men, but that doesn't mean they aren't truthful.
They understand how entertaining it can be, but It's not staged, it's authentic, but again; there IS the entertainment factor, think about how a LOT of rappers exaggerate/paraphrase to make things more interesting, again; music whether you like it or not, is ENTERTAINMENT.
The fact they blend a bit of comedy, seriousness, and fun together should be evident of it just being for the love of the music.
I believe them personally, I think it's irresponsible to just assume something is fake when you see how much money and hard work is being put into it.
Props to the old timers for keeping it real during the difficult times these past years.
You should check out some of the songs with the other old dudes they collab with, those are usually more comedy oriented, think of the songs where Pete and Bas are alone as their more serious music (the other guys too, Norman Pain is a REAL one tbh).
Then with the other guys, like The Northern Boys or The Snooker Team (If I recall Norman Pain is in both), etc.
Those are more funny than serious, and honestly it'll be a good reaction for the stream, for a bit more comedy involved.
Norman Pain has some crazy gritty songs, dude definitely has suffered in life and knows how to show it.
Imho my favorite songs Norman Pain has put out so far are "F*ck" and "Pain & Strife" check them out sometime.
Alternatively they have a collab together, "Pete & Bas - Golf ft. Norman Pain"
Either way they perform the characters even if it’s through some filter of others helping with the songs. Which still is incredible for these two older gentlemen to be performing these characters for us and doing this
Black Pegasus waddup?Mi name Black Dragon outta Bulawayo, Zimbabwe.Big up oonuself Pegasus,Black to the max and well proud of that.Maximum respect bredda
A lot of main stream artists just sing songs that have been written for them so if they don’t write their lyrics they still rapping with mad skills . But just like ren, bas knows music and instruments and both of them are cockneys so they grew up with Cockney rhyming slang as part of their daily language and Pete growing up in Peckham rise in south London he no doubt could have been a young one involved with the Richardson family and he’s hardley my gonna self snitch on what he did although he does give you a bit of a history lesson about himself in the song “ golf “ so maybe try that song . Nothing is impossible 🤷🏻♂️ great reaction
The "fumez the engineer " joint and that Sindu sesh is good vibes man...
Make sense that they got good after 5 years. Its super common for people to get good after a couple years, hence why most rappers come out the gate at 17-19. Wasn't snoop 19 when he recorded his first song with Dre?
Plus Bas is a musician makes sense that he knows how structure writing and know what sounds good.
If they have help writing meh. Didn't stop me from listening to NWA or any of Dre's albums.
And their stories seem genuine. Bas sounds like my late grandpa. Gotta remember they had a full life so they did a lot. I've switched up and had totally different things going on in my 40 years. I only know a hand full of people that have been doing to same thing since high school and I don't envy them.
@12:45 Pete was in his late 60's when his grand daughter introduced to grime, so the curve has got to be closer to 2-3 years. That's wild!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Pete and Bas are the Kings of UK Drill. 👏❤️✊😎💪🔥
Im a Londoner its streight up 🇬🇧🍀🇮🇪
I could care less whether they’re writing their own shit or not. There’s so many fake gangsta rappers out there and so many wack rappers out there. They’re making good music and that’s all I care about.
I would also say that, in the UK at least, we have a natural affinity toward the English language, witticisms and rhyme. In London, where Pet and Bas are from, we have a form of slang that is pushing 200 years old (maybe older) called "Rhyming Slang" or "Cockney rhyming slang" and many people in the UK speak it so fluently we don't even realise when we are using it. For people of their generation in particular they use a LOT of rhyming slang and, funnily enough, rhyming slang and Hip-Hop do fit together quite well. I think Pete & Bas almost certainly write their own lyrics when they're using classic Cockney slang, I mean they speak it in their common discourse anyway, but when their lyrics contain more modern slang they've probably had a little help with that. Not sure how much that really matters in the end though.
I choose to believe their story. There are bars that they spit that nobody would ever think to spit unless you had that experience or at least saw it with your own eyes. Here are some recommendations: Quick 1-2, Golf, Browns, Generals Corner, Windowframe Cypher part 1 and 2, Mr. Worldwide.
You'll love their songs 'Golf' ,
'A pint and a (f(ag)', 'window frame Cypher 1 and 2'
Age gains experience, and Pete and Bas have a ton of it to use as they body beat after beat! Never missing!
The old group are Pete and Bas' crew The Snooker Team. They appear in many P&B videos, and rap in two Window Frame Cyphers. The Indian member is Uncle Bal, who owns Sindhu World who make all the videos.
The album 'Quick Little Mixtape' is 🔥
Your rabbit hole -
'Browns'
'Quick 1-2'
'Mr Worldwide'
'The General's Corner with Kenny Allstar'
'Bermondsey'
'Golf'
'Lightwork Freestyle'
'The Old Estate with M24'
'Quick Little Freestyle'
Can't remember if did 'Plugged-in with Fumez the Engineer'
And there's more bangers!
Masters 🐐 🐐
all i really care about is if pete and bas are the ones doing the rapping, which i 100% believe they are. Whoever writes the lyrics and beats is fantastic. Pete and Bas got the delivery. It's all fire.
P&B are real and are a fact. The evidence is clear, their live concerts throughout Europe and we see that it is not only the public that enjoys them, but also their followers on social networks in each video. They have earned the respect and admiration of everyone including the rappers of the United States, as is the case, of T-Pain who already have a remix together. They are a lesson for all generations of rappers. It is never too late if the talent exists. Greeting from Cuba.
They earned respect and fame thanks to being fake. They just actors dubbed by other voices
Pete and Bas have more street cred than most rappers, lol.
As for having ghost writers, they've been out long enough that if that was true, it would have leaked out by now. Writing lyrics is a mental challenge, not physical, so i don't know why people find it so unbelievable that they could put together these bars. Their flow alone is impeccable, and you can tell they are comfortable behind the mic. The only thing people pay attention to is their age, but their minds are as sharp as any of the rappers out today.
Love it! ❤
There are 6 old dudes making music together. Pete and Bas are the main duo and three of the others go by "the Northern Boys" and are a more rap/rock style.
Oh wow you haven't done the window frames?
I recommend this path down this complete rabbit hole:
Windows frame cypher feat. snooker team part 1 and 2
Northern boys - nobody likes me
And then finally the master piece that is:
Norman Pain - Sonnet
That last song and video needs 10 million views.
If anyone ever doubted the talent of these old timers, that song cements that doubt at a building site.
I just watched these today! Amazing!!!!!!
Remember his granddaughter was 13 when she interested Pete in Rap. She's probably in her 20s now.
Approaching 70 aswell.... from the wrong direction lmfao
ain't about where they been, it's about where they are now...ol boys are smashin it...simples🎉...an NO..I didn't watch your video...Big up my UK dons🎉😂
The northern boys are taking off pretty good. Actually, they are part of their team, part of their crew part of their show.
I just found them and unfortunately (yes i'll call'em out) I saw Stevie Knight reactions before this one and I appreciate your desire to learn about these two! Stevie came off as angry as hell.....You seemed legitimately curious and non judgemental!
I have to say , I’m very skeptical. But who wrote the bars? who produced the beats?
It's real stop being professionally jealous coz you would never be as good 😂😂😂
Dude think about what has happened in the last 70 years. They survived it and they are kicking like this, don't matter what the story is, they gangsta respect
@12:45 Pete was in his late 60's when his grand daughter introduced to grime, so the curve has got to be closer to 2-3 years max. That's wild!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
They've studied the genre like Amy other type of music, it's fairly simple and Bas' musical experience is easy to transfer over with timing, breath control etc.
If you live long enough, you can live many lives. These guys lived and write all their own stuff, you can tell...
Deny as much aa you want.
Heres the thing. Even if they didnt write it. They do it live. They know it in ans out, they know the flow, they know the bars, and they deliver fire. Even if they gavw a ghost writer, theyre still better than most in the game today.
Credit where credits due.
When you understand the impact Ian Dury had on Londoners back in the day, it makes it easier to see how they do what they do...
The Northern Boys are who was with them.
Their life experiences and vocabulary by age 70- and obviously their imaginations give them topics- and 5 - 6 years when your retired gives you time- plus it is probably quality time with the grandkids 😂😂😂😂
Idk, but I feel these guys are the real mckoy.
I think real or not. It is entertaining and original. So regardless they deserve all the hype and success.
Sounds great, and its fun. If you are bothered, then the only parties you get invited to are on xbox.
Thanks BP for introducing me into some crazy music that I would never even heard of before I’ve been following you since you started getting demonetized for the jab Stay blessed
Thing is why would a ghost writer give these insane bars away for free it's not like they're making crazy money from a big label, I could be wrong.
Have you checked out Northern Boys
Put it this way. If they aren’t authentic they’re not mentioning the Richardson’s to this day without being spoken to in a heavy handed way.
Yo Dude get them on the Podcast
So for me im not 100% sure if they write there own lyrics. (with some help). Back in the day i was more of a guy that appreciated someone writing their own stuff that they rapped. If you didn't write your own stuff then... Idk was just the times and how it was. But nowadays its not that big of a deal to me (Even tho its preferred). But even Drake doesn't write alot of his stuff. There are so many rappers out there that has ghostwriters. For me its how they deliver it and the flow they do. They can out rap most rappers out there these days and thats just the fact. They sound dope im enjoying it.
I just hope im living like they do when im 70.
Big up Pete & Bas.
Regardless, I'm totally down with them bringing my attention to UK music once again. Without them I never would have found Ren, Chinchilla, or Sam Tompkins.
Also, I've known many people in my lifetime, some looked like straight up citizens and had good jobs, but did the dirtiest grimiest stuff . They truly presented low key, but if people knew....
They absolutely real gangster well not anymore but they speak from experience in there music
They are the best
Black, it seems to me, if you sat in a romm with them while they write their lyrics...you still wouldn't believe them. You are a sceptic to the max.
They defo write their own lyrics because some of the references and slang they use, even for uk listeners are old. They've just learnt modern slang to help tell their stories.
Here's the thing. The real ones who were somehow involved with the Richardsons or Krays who served their time for crimes, talk about it.
Those who had dealings and didn't serve for any crimes...don't 😂
Very sound reasoning.
I think it's 💯 real
Good chance the bareknuckle boxing part is true.. Its not a 'crazy as hell' over here in UK. Its still really popular
You don't talk about the Richardson's and ties with the Firm if you didn't, that sh!t gets put to bed sharpish👍🇬🇧
Pete and Bas is definitely a colab project, but they have the energy and ability to spit the bars (even if not all in one go), and they definitely have input on the writing, I'm an old geezer and pick up little bits that the younger/non-uk reactors will always miss. They have good personas, telling something close to the truth is the best lie, and at the end of the day they are highly entertaining, that's enough - enjoy the show and stop looking for the strings holding them up.
From London and know for sure they’ve had help but they don’t need to thank anyone else
This is absolutaly real, just check some interviews with them freestyling,...fire!
I know you're loving the brit vibes...so thought I'd mention an artist called Slowthai....hes another braking boundaries.....it's for want of a better analogy the dark side of Ren???? His new album is amazing. But I'd start with Doorman, that's what got me into him
With the producers of tracks for them credit to Nine and Dex AKA 91shots and Handsome Dexter
Quick little freestyle
The only thing that would disappoint me is if their old was just makeup. I don't care about the rest. They could buy lyrics off of ebay and make up backstories and all of that and I don't care. Those dudes are awesome and that's all I'm interested in. I showed my 76 year old dad some of their music and he said it was great and they're having a ton of fun and their music gives them something to look forward to every day and that's what keeps them going.
I enjoy their story, but its truthfulness is not important to me because their work transcends any story. They are artists, pure and simple. Their lyrics are 2, 3 even 4 deep, there's no one else writing that well. IMO
Would love to hear you all opinion on the scottish comedian The Wee Man, does comedy rap on here although short.
How many of you will understand him 😁
Yes it's two brothers who own the sinduworld. They tried to do it in the usa with frank and murray but it didn't take off and exposed that they are most likely just actors. The old ad they posted is archived how they are looking for actors to play rappers like they did in london. The music is fantastic whoever is writing and performing. Been listening to rap since the late 80s and the skill involved is top 5% I've heard. If love to hear them do an actual freestyle even a 10 second one on the street but in a studio. The concerts don't count. I've watched multple ones and most of the time petes not even rapping. He holds the mic right up to his lips so you can't see him miming wrong.id love to be wrong
The insecurities of aspiring rappers on full display with the shrinkage. I’ve seen so many Pete & Bas reaction videos. So many times they start by laughing, then cling to denial and disbelief, even looking pissed, but eventually they all have to admit it’s fire. After facing the reality that P&B can drill better than everyone, they try to shoot ‘em down by claiming they have ghost writers or that they’re still a novelty/gimmick. Just accept that they are legit and even if you get another 50 years you’ll never spit like them.
My take is they seem pretty honest when it comes to their writing process and if you go through their work chronologically you can see their progression and its consistent with someone developing skill in a craft through practice and that would be pretty hard to fake imo. As far as their backgrounds I think they're dodgy but in the "old dudes telling stories" sort of way where you're never gonna know for sure what's exaggerated and what's not and I really don't think it matters. The only thing I wish they could have answered is my understanding is that 2 of Pete's grandkids are "producers/engineers" (not sure what the correct terminology is) for 91SHOTS and do their beats but I haven't been able to truely confirm that
100% it’s not them. Amazes me how many people really believe it’s them.
Who is it?
I love watching magic tricks yet I still am very curious about how it is ACTUALLY done. Personally I don’t think Pete and Bas are artists so much as they are the artwork itself. That doesn’t make it less impressive. I don’t think the artist’s behind the project and Frank and Maury, (and possibly Norther Boys) are going for a cash grab so much as they are playing with social media as an art medium. Think of the band Gorillaz. They created an entire animated band with backstory that the actual artists play behind. GWAR did it to cartoonish proportions. Look at comedian Andy Kauffman.
Real recognise real!!! What more do you need to know?
grand kidz ahhhh!
if you like word play listen to Your Old Droog - Pronouns (i recommend essentially his whole discography 😭)
Look at the size of the fists on Bas, and his nose, bare Knuckle boxer shouldn't be surprising.
Question all you want p. I'm curious as well.
pete n bas were not the first old rappers norman pain and p,j,k who both have done tracks with them did tracks a few yrs before,all work together
Norman pain and pkj just dropped a trac today
The reason why you keep being so skeptical is your LATE to them,They probably get help here and there,truthfully alot of rappers do,of course they not going to be up on current references like yung dudes BUT they also spit alot of old uk references that its hard for others to write for them,also its hard to take OTHER peoplez writing structure and FLOW like they do,especially the switch ups and transitions so i think they write most of it just get editing tips to make it sound current,no matter they still two of the best technical rappers that ever lived
Oh, Black P. I got an idea for a reaction video. So I saw an announcement that ren was added to the Lalapalooza line up. I was hyped and ready to take my son to his first concert. Then i found out is was a female named ren. No idea who she is or if she is any good. Would love to see a reaction video titled "The Wrong Ren"