I am a big fan of what pilot does as a company, there are so few companies still doing unique things, and continuations of things they've been doing for so long. but COME ON MORE COLORS PLEASE
Speaking as somebody in the common area between pen enthusiast and game design enthusiast, fewer but more meaningful choices are more psychologically satisfying to the vast majority of audiences/consumers. Having more options ironically makes your choice feel less meaningful and less like a choice, can lead to "analysis paralysis" (in which you agonise over which to get and eventually decide it's not worth getting anything, or if you're a "collect them all" type, you end up never _using_ them or only using one option to the exclusion of others, making the others feel like a waste), and can ramp up production costs (I imagine this applies as much to producing a stock of many slightly different pens for retail as it does to spending man-hours on producing many different game choice outcomes). To play devil's advocate, the risk in producing fewer choices is that the audience or consumer may feel pigeon-holed (especially if the choices are too similar- The E 95S doesn't have this problem as its two colour schemes are very different along multiple colour axes (contrast, lightness, chroma, hue, material (speaking visually, not chemically; the ivory and burgundy is slightly pearlescent)), but the Custom 823 does, though I think most people do pretty easily prefer one or the other, so this appearance of false-choice is illusory as the choice is clearly meaningful _enough)_ or that none of the choices available may appeal to someone (somebody who like vibrant colours, or saturated cool colours, is not going to find the E 95S appealing regardless). But you'll notice that more expensive pens in general tend to have fewer body options because these downsides fail to outweigh those of having too many choices- Unless the cost of choosing is low enough that the consumer/audience doesn't care (for example going left versus going right in a game with a navigational element that allows backtracking is unlikely to cause a player any amount of anguish, and about twenty-five years ago many developers began to realise that even being able to go in any direction in 360 degrees only causes most players a modicum of anguish, leading to the advent of open-world games; The analogue in the pen world would be lower-cost pens like the Preppy, which comes in a huge variety of colours, or lower-mid cost pens like the Metropolitan or ECO which still come in a respectable number of colours, because if a consumer purchases a pen and then decides they'd like another one more they can just buy the other one without feeling bad about it). With all that said, funnily enough, what game designers have found through immense amounts of trial-and-error and playtesting over the years is that for most meaningful choices the optimal number is three options with significant differences between them, meaning that Pilot's higher-end pens usually fall short by exactly one colour/body-option (ie they almost always have two variants).
@oliveboypens hi Sir, new subscriber btw :) I'm new to fountain pens 🖋 i bought this exact elite pilot vintage; mines 1977. Can some one please help me as to which converter or ink cartridge can be used on this pen ? So much appreciated thanks 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙇🏾🙇🏾
Another interesting and informative comparison between older and newer...and this time positive. I really enjoy learning about older pens and the ways they competed by innovation and quality.
A very informative and entertaining introduction! Congratulations on finding the perfect pen and its matching pencil! Recently discovered the Pilot Elite and this version has got to be the dream version of it. Hoping to source one for my kid soon.
Enjoyed your video. I won an E-Bay auction for a Pilote Elite 18K F nib. It will take some time to get here but should have it by the end of May. Can't wait!
Thanks for another excellent video. Your videos are some of the best pen-related ones on You Tube. I have a modern 95ES in black; it is a great pen with a very smooth nib. I used to own a mid-1970s Pilot long/short but lost it, so bought the new one a few years back. The main difference was that the modern "medium" nib writes a much broader line than its predecessor - not far off a western broad. However, Pilot has made a class pen. This is not a pale imitation, but the real deal. I would welcome some pencil reviews. I am old enough to remember when you could buy fountain pen/pencil sets in the shops - I still have a Montblanc 221 matching pen and pencil set from the 1970s, which is still going strong, and used to have a Waterman Hemisphere set (now lost). I am surprised that some of the major Japanese companies have not carried on selling pen/pencil sets as pencils are still used a lot in Japan.
Is it the position of my fingers on the Pilot E95S, that I always get ink from the nib? Years ago Goulet pens mentioned that but I haven't heard more about it. Thank you 🥰
@@oliveboypens I'm glad you have noticed too. I guess pen lovers we don't really care a lot, there are times when I don't want to have inky fingers (Drs appoinments,etc) but for the most I don't care have some ink spots. Thank you sweety boy, have a super weekend😍
@@chrisdaniels6523 I've inky fingers almost daily but well, of course not for drs appoinments,etc. I found out that Clear Ammonia used to clean pens, is good on inky hands too.
@@nicksg3002 Luckily, I don't have to worry about it - at my job, nobody cares, and I don't mind going to the doctor with ink everywhere... idk, it's kinda like a badge of honor or something... it's silly, but there you go...
I actually enjoy my pro gear slims more than the 1911L. I’m not really a fan of the 21ct gold nib. I find other gold nibs more enjoyable to write with. I picked up a vintage pilot elite NOS from the 70s (EF) and I like it just as much as my modern one. Fun pens! what do you use a pencil for? I only use them for drawing lines for my bullet journal lay outs;) great review! Tracks well with my own experience;)
The 21ct nibs are hit or miss, but I do like them a lot. Vintage ones are fun too! Pencils I mostly use for drawing! I wish I had the patience for bullet journaling.
From the metallurgical perspective, 14k gives the optimal combination of Young’s modulus and yield point for pen nibs. The carat wars were one of those sillinesses that corporations indulge in from time to time.
would love to see re iew of elite pencil. loe set of fountain and mechanical penil, not sure if i need to get a ballpoint, its just extra unless pen doesnt work
I enjoy my modern E95S. I have not tried the vintage yet, so I enjoyed this comparison. I do own the vintage Sailor and Platinum versions of this pen, and like them very much.
i love the modern e95s, haven't tried the vintage. side note - the pilot mju is one of my grail pens. I'm also a pencil person, especially mechanical pencils and lead holders so would definitely be interested in your reviews!
I'm new to fountain pens 🖋 i bought this exact elite pilot vintage; mines a 1977 pen. Can some one please help me as to which converter or ink cartridge can be used on this pen ? So much appreciated thanks 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙇🏾🙇🏾
Hi! The cool thing about these is that they take modern pilot cartridges, as well as the CON40 converter. I personally just syringe fill cartridges though.
I had a pilot E95S in extra fine point and I got rid of it because it wrote like a medium point and it put down to much ink on the paper I rather have the vintage pilot Elite any day over the pilot E95S
I would say honestly that neither of these should be considered if you’re looking for line variation. I’m pretty sure that they made a Falcon nib version of the vintage elite with cutouts for added flex- I would look for one of those! They’re quite rare though.
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I am a big fan of what pilot does as a company, there are so few companies still doing unique things, and continuations of things they've been doing for so long. but COME ON MORE COLORS PLEASE
more colors!!! Give the people what they want!!! Give me a dark red demo 823!!!
Speaking as somebody in the common area between pen enthusiast and game design enthusiast, fewer but more meaningful choices are more psychologically satisfying to the vast majority of audiences/consumers. Having more options ironically makes your choice feel less meaningful and less like a choice, can lead to "analysis paralysis" (in which you agonise over which to get and eventually decide it's not worth getting anything, or if you're a "collect them all" type, you end up never _using_ them or only using one option to the exclusion of others, making the others feel like a waste), and can ramp up production costs (I imagine this applies as much to producing a stock of many slightly different pens for retail as it does to spending man-hours on producing many different game choice outcomes).
To play devil's advocate, the risk in producing fewer choices is that the audience or consumer may feel pigeon-holed (especially if the choices are too similar- The E 95S doesn't have this problem as its two colour schemes are very different along multiple colour axes (contrast, lightness, chroma, hue, material (speaking visually, not chemically; the ivory and burgundy is slightly pearlescent)), but the Custom 823 does, though I think most people do pretty easily prefer one or the other, so this appearance of false-choice is illusory as the choice is clearly meaningful _enough)_ or that none of the choices available may appeal to someone (somebody who like vibrant colours, or saturated cool colours, is not going to find the E 95S appealing regardless). But you'll notice that more expensive pens in general tend to have fewer body options because these downsides fail to outweigh those of having too many choices- Unless the cost of choosing is low enough that the consumer/audience doesn't care (for example going left versus going right in a game with a navigational element that allows backtracking is unlikely to cause a player any amount of anguish, and about twenty-five years ago many developers began to realise that even being able to go in any direction in 360 degrees only causes most players a modicum of anguish, leading to the advent of open-world games; The analogue in the pen world would be lower-cost pens like the Preppy, which comes in a huge variety of colours, or lower-mid cost pens like the Metropolitan or ECO which still come in a respectable number of colours, because if a consumer purchases a pen and then decides they'd like another one more they can just buy the other one without feeling bad about it).
With all that said, funnily enough, what game designers have found through immense amounts of trial-and-error and playtesting over the years is that for most meaningful choices the optimal number is three options with significant differences between them, meaning that Pilot's higher-end pens usually fall short by exactly one colour/body-option (ie they almost always have two variants).
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@oliveboypens hi Sir, new subscriber btw :)
I'm new to fountain pens 🖋 i bought this exact elite pilot vintage; mines 1977.
Can some one please help me as to which converter or ink cartridge can be used on this pen ? So much appreciated thanks 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙇🏾🙇🏾
Another interesting and informative comparison between older and newer...and this time positive. I really enjoy learning about older pens and the ways they competed by innovation and quality.
I have 2 modern Elites, Love them both. I'm a pencil person, too, would love to see some pencil reviews.
A very informative and entertaining introduction! Congratulations on finding the perfect pen and its matching pencil! Recently discovered the Pilot Elite and this version has got to be the dream version of it. Hoping to source one for my kid soon.
Glad you enjoyed the video! Funnily enough I might be selling this one soon, I found a version of it I like even more 😅
Wonder what you’re replacing this with!
I just bought the fountain pen this morning from a vendor in Japan.
Enjoyed your video. I won an E-Bay auction for a Pilote Elite 18K F nib. It will take some time to get here but should have it by the end of May. Can't wait!
Thanks for another excellent video. Your videos are some of the best pen-related ones on You Tube. I have a modern 95ES in black; it is a great pen with a very smooth nib. I used to own a mid-1970s Pilot long/short but lost it, so bought the new one a few years back. The main difference was that the modern "medium" nib writes a much broader line than its predecessor - not far off a western broad. However, Pilot has made a class pen. This is not a pale imitation, but the real deal. I would welcome some pencil reviews. I am old enough to remember when you could buy fountain pen/pencil sets in the shops - I still have a Montblanc 221 matching pen and pencil set from the 1970s, which is still going strong, and used to have a Waterman Hemisphere set (now lost). I am surprised that some of the major Japanese companies have not carried on selling pen/pencil sets as pencils are still used a lot in Japan.
Is it the position of my fingers on the Pilot E95S, that I always get ink from the nib? Years ago Goulet pens mentioned that but I haven't heard more about it. Thank you 🥰
I could see that yes! Sometimes ink leaks from the nib seam.
@@oliveboypens I'm glad you have noticed too. I guess pen lovers we don't really care a lot, there are times when I don't want to have inky fingers (Drs appoinments,etc) but for the most I don't care have some ink spots. Thank you sweety boy, have a super weekend😍
@@nicksg3002 Happens to me, too, all the time. I like having ink on my fingers...
@@chrisdaniels6523 I've inky fingers almost daily but well, of course not for drs appoinments,etc. I found out that Clear Ammonia used to clean pens, is good on inky hands too.
@@nicksg3002 Luckily, I don't have to worry about it - at my job, nobody cares, and I don't mind going to the doctor with ink everywhere... idk, it's kinda like a badge of honor or something... it's silly, but there you go...
I actually enjoy my pro gear slims more than the 1911L. I’m not really a fan of the 21ct gold nib. I find other gold nibs more enjoyable to write with. I picked up a vintage pilot elite NOS from the 70s (EF) and I like it just as much as my modern one. Fun pens! what do you use a pencil for? I only use them for drawing lines for my bullet journal lay outs;) great review! Tracks well with my own experience;)
The 21ct nibs are hit or miss, but I do like them a lot. Vintage ones are fun too!
Pencils I mostly use for drawing! I wish I had the patience for bullet journaling.
Good point about the colour options, or rather, the lack of them. Whereas Sailor are out there with more options than you can keep up with . . .
From the metallurgical perspective, 14k gives the optimal combination of Young’s modulus and yield point for pen nibs. The carat wars were one of those sillinesses that corporations indulge in from time to time.
would love to see re iew of elite pencil. loe set of fountain and mechanical penil, not sure if i need to get a ballpoint, its just extra unless pen doesnt work
I enjoy my modern E95S. I have not tried the vintage yet, so I enjoyed this comparison.
I do own the vintage Sailor and Platinum versions of this pen, and like them very much.
I highly recommend a vintage Elite!! They’re so lovely.
I’d love to try a sailor or platinum too.
i love the modern e95s, haven't tried the vintage. side note - the pilot mju is one of my grail pens.
I'm also a pencil person, especially mechanical pencils and lead holders so would definitely be interested in your reviews!
The pilot Myu and m90 review is coming soon!! Look out for it!!
Good to know! I’ll look around for some pencils to review!
I'm new to fountain pens 🖋 i bought this exact elite pilot vintage; mines a 1977 pen.
Can some one please help me as to which converter or ink cartridge can be used on this pen ? So much appreciated thanks 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙇🏾🙇🏾
Hi! The cool thing about these is that they take modern pilot cartridges, as well as the CON40 converter. I personally just syringe fill cartridges though.
the music is getting in the way of hearing your words!
I had a pilot E95S in extra fine point and I got rid of it because it wrote like a medium point and it put down to much ink on the paper I rather have the vintage pilot Elite any day over the pilot E95S
I’m about to buy vintage pilot pen, is the 18k nib more bouncy or softer than 14k nib?
I need line variation ( a bit line will be helpful )
I would say honestly that neither of these should be considered if you’re looking for line variation.
I’m pretty sure that they made a Falcon nib version of the vintage elite with cutouts for added flex- I would look for one of those! They’re quite rare though.
@@oliveboypens thank you so much bro, but i really want vintage pilot pen, they’re genuinely gorgeous and unique, unique as your video :D
If you want a little line variation I recommend cheaper but great pilot 74 SFM
Difficult to see detail on pens when they are moving. Just set them on the table and point instead of waving them.
Pilot Super 200.
What price to sell
Greetings from Australia.
Great review. Please stick to pens. 😀