520i have smaller 20 to look like package not engine as we know for long time but from today also away from the performance, cause unless u have 6cyl, its just package.......
A very real onest review, a breath of fresh air for a car channel. În my opinion they try to recreate the E60 headlights but failed and the light steering it's really not good for bmw.
@@danielsacui5710 true! especially for a Whole brand that was known in late 2020's takling about after 2015 till 2020 for their Supple and Agile and very highly accurte Fast Handling in Steeeing.
The M5 F90 generation? Yes, stopped selling those before summer. They're making a new M5 with the S68 (I think it's called?) with the mild hybrid, it's the same one they're using in the new X5M,X6M, etc.@@dontlikemylife
@@firstlast2857 it started with the total fail of 1 series F40. The tortured desigb of 3/4 series. But now it is ugly AND cheap 😞 I really feel sad for this dream brand able to build a M3 E92 and now this piece of s***
@@Submariner92 Funnily enough the F40 1er would be the only _new_ BMW i'd contemplate buying even though i agree it's got it's flaws, however every newer model that has come since *is* a proper fail!
Design aside, I think its ridiculous that BMW removed the exhaust pipes That was one of the MAIN things that I loved about BMW as a kid, when my dad got his first f30 touring. It looked so cool compared to the other cars that only had bumpers or to feel 'special' that I was part of the exposed exhaust group on the road. I hate to think of reasons why they did this, but i can only imagine it is for us to get used to the electric design language, but even that idea is pulled out of my ass.
Thank you for your criticism. I absolutely agree as a fan and I feel even more furious about it. A base model peugeot 508 can make me feel more excited which is a real shame
I agree 100% with all your points of criticism. If BMW chooses to go with the same platform for electric and ice powered vehicles, why make them look like they re all electric. The lci g30 is so much more mature, stylish, elegant and powerfull design wise.
@@denalisiomontpellier4064Haha explain to me why the E60 looks bad because it does not. Same with the G30 facelift why does it look bad? All the shapes and proportions on those cars look good. On this one the stupid grille is the only chrome part on the exterior which looks ridiculous and also it's way too big in proportion to the front.. First 5 series that I hate!
Thanks Max. Thanks to be the voice of the true car enthusiasts out there. Once again I feel totally aligned with you. My family has had over 35 bmw in the last 25 years, we basically had all the M cars to have, as well as all the 5 series since 1995. BMW direction is indeed very scary: For the Sports car, since the G Gen, we switched to the GT department of Porsche, which has fully gave us what we were looking or. For the dailies however, it is though, as on the market there aren't any valid alternatives that can live on the FORMER BMW Legacy. Our attitude towards new models changed drastically, before we were always excited for the model, about what crazy innovation it might have brought from the racing world, or what design trait might have introduced to the market. NOW WE ARE SCARED, up to a point which we will start front-loading all the last FEW cars entailing the real essence of our passion, in vision of the future. This is true for the entire car industry, but particularly more for BMW, which has deluded once again it's most passionate customers. On top of this, all (other) medias seem to be happy with the latest non-sense in the car community, probably incentivised by some hefty commissions. Keep it up, Giak
Max really is the kind of guy you will sit through the entire ads for.. even though you know they make dough, just because he’s the only one producing reviews on this level and very fucking knowledgeable
Totally agree with your comments on the quality is going down day by day.Previous version luxury package and the one which is facelift are the ones which are my favorite for not only visual basis but also driving feels too.
Thanks to this new generation, I love my 540i G31 even more, and will keep it much longer than originally planned. It may be my last bmw. It is a shame as I fell in love in the brand well over 30 years ago buying second hand e28 as my first bmw.
It seems to me that BMW has also lost the plot when it comes to design. It was sad to see Mercedes look bad, but BMW too. This has to be the worst-looking set of BMW designs in a while, after such a great run in the last 12 years. Honestly, that's it, just going for a flying spur. At least Bentley is succeeding where everyone else is failing. Porsche too.
Yeah yeah, everyone says this literally every time a new generation of BMW comes out. Yawn... come up with a better critique. BMW is shattering the competition in terms of design as they are doing what they did in 2003, a complete change for the future state of cars. Audi is boring and Generic, and mercedes still looks modern yet old. BMW has completely changed the name of the game for future state of car design, always met with harsh judgement at first, and then a couple years down the road, praise.
Sorry, there is not a single detail in this car which hasn't been seen at other car brands. (Except the Logos) The Cars from the Bangle Era were revolutionary in terms of design, or maybe more recently the i3. But defenitely not the new 5 series. Anyway - this shouldn't be a problem. Most times, only people who have something to complain write comments and people who like the car often don't comment.
I don't know what happened to BMW lately, but for sure this new 5 series is not up to the segment it should belong to. I personally have a G21 320d, which I absolutely love, and since I'm going to change it in a few months I had the opportunity to evaluate the 5 series, but I said heck no, not this one! I already ordered another G21, and this time will be a 330d with the glorious 6 cilinder, and a nice spec. With the same budget as a bland 5, I will get again the best BMW I can have (at least IMHO).
Have fun with the LCI 3 series. No Ambient lighting in the door pockets Cheaper steering wheel (plastic) No key storage beside the steering wheel (on the left) No nets on the back of the front seats. No laser light anymore And a generally cheaper feel. 100% better than the 5er but still. I told my dad he should keep his G21 pre facelift as long as possible
@@patrickm.4754 100% agree. I'm an owner of the F30 for 5 years and still love the interior. Prefer what I have any day over the ugly displays in the newer models
The ix is far from a flop lmao... everyone who has money I know has bought one... even us. It's an investment because they give you 2 years free charging and such good luxury.@@v12-s65
@autotopnl I totally agree your comments as +6 yrs ownership of 5 G model series. I also don’t like digital car speedometer. I think that interface should be optional. Cars meant to be driving machines not mobile PCs.
It looks like a Toyota corolla. Especially the rear of the car. You described it perfectly by saying that any car manufacturer could have produced this car. Gutted with BMW these days, except with the new M2, love that 😁
G60 is downright ugly, i disagree for the G70 7 series,because the haters don’t even know what Rolls Royce is and the G70 just looks like that especially on the Spectre front end
@@seansiew5629 I understand the Rolls Royce thing, but this is no Rolls Royce, it's BMW and it doesn't look like BMW. I know BMW olwns Rolls Royce, but that doesn't mean they should be the same. BMW's philosophy is much different.
Last week I had a 740d as a rental. The new model with the bicycle stand grille. Very decent comfort but operating all the functions of the car is truly a nightmare. The revenge of German engineering.
Well the S class especially the w223 has a very cheap looking interior, coming from a w221 and w222 S class owner, the G70 seems to be a better to drive car than the w223 is
As a g20 lci owner, I really feel like that the 3 series is the much better car. I already sat in the new 5 series, and I think that the 3 Series Looks soo soo much better than the new 5 series, and that the interior is also much better. I think that everything in the 5 series feels quite cheap, I really dislike the steering Wheel and the new Idrive controller also feels weird to use. Another thing that I thought is horrendous in the new 5 series is the seating positon, because I felt like I was sitting in a minivan or a small SUV, because you sit quite high, which does not feel familiar in a BMW. Overall I have to say that I am incredibly dissapointed by the new 5 series, and I think that the „older“ g20 3 series is the much better car.
Very true, I’m also an owner of a 330i LCI and while I haven’t sat in the new 5 series it doesn’t look that appealing - even the ambient lighting. Also the taillights don’t match the looks of the front of the car and even makes the car look cheaper. I heard that the driving dynamics are still ok but not as sharp even though their chassis is sitting higher probably due to its need for placement of the big battery.
I sat in the new 7 series and strangely there seemed to be a major lack of driver leg room. I'm 186cms and I felt pretty cramped. Completely different to the S-Class for driver leg room to the pedals.
Also have g20 LCI and after test driving new 5 series I feel absolutely no need to get one. I wanted one before I tested it, but its quality feels just so much downgraded compared to f10 for example that it doesn't feel the 5 series anymore. It is just a car. Rear seat is uncomfortable which shouldn't be the case anymore after all of the added length, cupholders changed from premium to very cheap as armrest as well. Comfort seats were one of the most important things since forever and now they removed all the important functions like tilting upper part. I5 m60 is a good car but compared to 330e lci it is nothing special which would make me pay double the price.
You hit the nail on the head. My family has been buying BMWs since the mid 80s and it’s been getting worse. By far our families favorite BMW was a 91 e34 535i. Amazing car at the time and looked modern for many, many years. My mom handed it down to me as my first car and then it went to my brother. 250k miles before we donated it and it was still going strong. Last BMW my fam had was the first X5 before going big family haulers (Land Cruisers) Fast forward to 2021 and my mom wanted to get back into BMWS, she ended up getting an X3 m40i. She loves it, mostly the drive and power but she was shocked at how much plastic and cost cutting there was everywhere. She’s getting an X5 50e M sport soon which just may be the last one if they continue down this path.
@@dubber4lifeFor real, Hyundai is killing it with their N-models. The i30 N (fastback) is one of the most fun cars I have ever driven. A friend of mine is getting an Elantra N and I can't wait to drive it. And that's coming from someone who daily drives an M340i, which is a very fun car too, but the i30 N tops it in the fun department for me. I might get myself an N-model for my next car I think, since BMW is losing its touch and I'm thinking of switching brands after 20 years of BMW
My biggest gripe is with the interior. I really don't like these screens, they look like they were added on over the existing design. The first version of screens were nicely integrated, like in the G20 pre-LCI or G30.
@@truxton1000 you need 1 tap to get the comprehensive menu. And to adjust the temperature tap on + or - that is always on the screen. Or use voice controls. And it is not an often thing usually. Doesn't bother me. It's a too trivial thing to have an opinion about it/like or dislike. Just use it
@@KDR816 “You need to” yes that’s the point, in my g31 I don’t “need to”, I just press ONE button and it’s done. Voice control usually fails so you end up shouting at the car. The problem is that progress is supposed to make things simpler, or if not possible keep it the same. So to make it MORE difficult is just insane. But of course; those screens are very cheap to produce, well they are not cheap to replace when they break so the car probably have to be scrapped but who care about that, not BMW, not the guy who buy the new car and sell after 3 years but when it’s clear that the average car will be written off years before the older models maybe owners care in the end? Why do you think the prices on used electric cars fall so much? Well I’s sure it will be clear for everyone after a few years.
100% agree with your comments. Been driving BMW 5 series for 15 years, different models. But this doesn't look like a BMW. I now own a G31 and I seriously believe I'll skip this 5 series and buy something else in future. Have spend so much money for BMWs but those cars all look the same these days.
I've had exactly this feeling when only looking at pictures and videos. Seems like a step back (except for the vegan leather, I like that actually). The previous 5-series looks better both in and out.
You’ll think “ill get used to it”, until its compared to the previous gen😢. If you get the carbon black paint with the other 20 inch wheels (the silver and gloss black ones), the code name is 938, with these, i think it looks alright, but in any other spec, im not too sure
I jumped into the G60 from my F10 and thought I just jumped into a 3 Series. BMW tried to reduce cost on things they think we wont notice. But it's the small details that matters.
I got g30, 530d xdrive :) and actually went to see new 5 series. I don't hate it but don't like it at all. From behind looks like jaguar, inside like not well designed octavia and from skoda as well. As well got 2021 730d xdrive which I love vs new 7 series. 😢😢😢😢😢v
I agree 100% - the design is disappointing, as is the drop in quality of the materials, inside and outside 😮 I have a G30 LCI in M sport trim in the same colour as the car you tested and have to say I think my car looks way better! Maybe I’m biased, but honestly I wouldn’t swap it for the new one. It’s a backwards step for BMW in my opinion.
I fully agree with you! I wanted to buy a 5 series limousine but they already had the new G60 model, thus I bought the G31. And I do not regret it any second. Two months after my brand new G31 arrived I got to see a G60 in person ... boy, that car is not what I would want to buy. The front and back with all the useless Black-ish plastic bits, the cheap (comfort) seats and the new dash ... "very, very good copy by a Chinese company" describes it perfectly.
I own a 2011 BMW 328i xDrive Sports Wagon, 6 speed manual with the sport package - Deep Sea Blue Metallic over Oyster interior. I absolutely LOVE it, truly is the Ultimate Driving Machine. I am sad to say I will NOT be buying another new BMW ever again, that’s how far they have come down hill. This new 5 series looks worse inside and out, that’s a fact. Hate the unintegrated screens, no physical buttons, and the Honda Accord like styling. For my next car I will be getting a Porsche, they know what their customers want!
I sadly had similar impressions when checking out the new model in person. For the first time a new 5 series came out, I was not impressed. I honestly feel like I would rather stick to my G30 for now.
@@enjoylife756 No one is forcing me to buy anything, I will keep driving my G30 for many years, but obviously eventually it will need replacement. That's not the point though, new model is supposed to be desirable more than the old model, otherwise where is the improvement. This new car feels like it was done with cost cutting to meet competition's EV specs in mind. And yet the price is still higher.
I think the main problem is the M Sport cosmetic package: if you go on the configurator and choose a more “basic” trim the look of the car changes completely and looks really good in my opinion…even by changing the rims only
It's sad to think that we are probably the last generation that is going to enjoy beautiful BMWs with massive engines, lots of power, great sound and manual gearboxes
I like it how BMW still increases the size of these cars and makes them more and more practical over time despite sticking to 5 series weight rations. It makes it really interesting to have compared to some competitors like Mercedes Benz or Audi. Though I don't like it how they went away from the German Baukasten Format to something that is more curved. The sidelines on the G30 were just perfect and now the engine hood literally falls down like a river very quickly. It makes the car look like a FWD platform from outside. Also I don't like the headlights (neither do I on the G30 LCi I miss my 4 Angel Eyes) They look very 1 Series and 2 Series Gran Coupe like. This car in total just looks like an upsized balloonized 2 series Gran Coupe with the exception of being a RWD Car. I would even go as far as annoying other BMW fans by saying: VW Passat B8 Sedan in R-Line looks better than this car. Of course the G30 preLCI is king but still, this opinion of mine speaks bands for me.
i am very happy with my e60 LCI, i have a 3.0 petrol engine (n53b30a) and a manual gearbox, bonus to that exclusive edition and has around 1550kg, no need for new models.
Thanks for an honest review, which kinda made me sad. I'm a proud owner of a pre-LCI G30 540i and I think I might keep it longer than anticipated. 02:10 - This car looks like a cheap Chinese copy because it was presumably designed for Chinese market. 10:36 - At least BMW drivers will now have a good excuse for not using indicators. 😄😄😄 13:42 - I was hoping this not to be true. Unfortunately, this could make me do the unthinkable and buy a Mercedes E-class next. I think the new E 450 will be a very praised car in the near future.
This car is the best, the ultimate example for that BMW build cars no longer for the european market anymore. They build cars for the asian market. They like this design.
Probably the most honest review on the new 5. I had an e46, e 90, f11 and now I own a gorgeous Jatoba color 530xd G31 with Oyster interior. When I saw the new 5, first time ... I thought to myself ... 'I have to see it live, because it's not possible to look so bad'. Well ... it looked even worse in reality. Didn't drive one though ... but I will wait on that part.
I have my g30 facelift for 2 years. It is a daily joy to drive. Ergonomics are very fine I like listening to my audiobook each time I get in with no action other than driving. Everything falls naturally in my hands. No need to multiple actions. All is simple. Comfort leather seats are gorgeous. The 530l trunk was not belated by recent cars. The car handles like a smaller car. It is quite light lightweight (less than 1700kg). The quality is perfect everywhere. I hated to buy so many options. No I almost forgot this but it came at a price. At least every options works perfectly, it is like the car itself : sleek design, élégant, and perfectly operational. I have Mhev 2liter 4 cylinder. It works fine and silently. I I miss my old 3.0 six cylinder from my previous E39. But I must admit performance is superior now and fuel efficiency made a step forward. What can I expect from the G60 version ? It became so huge and heavy but with no improvement in capacity or space. It is a screen infotainment with complex ergonomics. The design is just as you said : I don't really like it. I know the challenge was to make a tall beast loaded with 350kg electric batteries look reasonably elegant. Did they succeed ? I would say, to some extent, yes. It does not look bad. But as time will go we will realize how perfectly balanced the g30 was in comparison.
I currently own the G30 and have ordered the new G60 in 550e. It still has the spirit of the 5 series, with its long hood and bevelled trunk. I think it'll take a while to like it, but you'll come to love it. One thing's for sure: it's a shame we don't have real exhaust pipes any more. We're stooping to Audi's level. As for the rest, I'm sure I'll enjoy driving and admiring my new 550e.
Having owned 2 5-series I have to say BMW has lost it. I bought a Mazda 6 now and honestly I like it more than my 5 series. It's sportier, it handles better,... No more BMW for me.
I was really afraid about the looks of the BMW 5. I was expecting worse. Recently tested the i5 M60. Power is a bit over the top and and range a bit low. I did see the new 5 touring in avant premiere and it does look acceptable, some minor details I don’t like. As for the 520i, it is sufficient, but I’d rather have a bit more power.
Power true, but I have serious doubts about optics, exterior and especially the interior without buttons. We need buttons! And exhausts on the outside. This thing doesn't quite stand above an Ioniq 5 which I recently drove. This is simply not worth it tbh.
Picked up my new M4 Comp today. The interior is such high quality. If BMW are reducing the quality of the 5 Series I think they’ll regret it. 5 Series customers want quality!
I like the front end of your car but I really hate the design of the M4 coupè from the side, anyway I admit it's a good deal for the performance that offers, compared to the car I'm looking for (an used 2017-2019 porsche 991 4s with ceramic brakes).
Exactly my opinion too, it screams of cost savings, especially at the interior. A short list, no more laser lights at the exterior, at the interior the lower door panels are hard plastic and no fabric on the interior like the G30 had, the sunshades are covered in cheap plastic, the steering wheel hub, plastic again, phone storage not anymore with cover, cup holders in the back not covered anymore, no more backseat pockets, no more led strip on the back doors, sunroof is not openable, less physical buttons, less physical buttons and settings for the comfort seats too, cheap windows opening buttons, no more Sensatec stitching (optional on G30), smaller door pockets (as the subwoofers are not anymore underneath the seats), no more dedicated button for setting the distance against the car in front (is in OS menu now), no more door entry sealings.
I'm gonna be honest and say that the new 5 series looks pretty nice actually. But I will a 100% agree that BMW is not like what it used to be from 2020 onwards. Still a nice looking car though.
I have just picked up a new 520i from BMW Cockermouth. I completely disagree with many of your comments. The build quality is superb ( way better than my wife’s GLC). The rotary dial is so satisfying. The quality of the components on touch points, the solidity and the smoothness of operation is fantastic. I agree the indicator stalks are a bit “ hollow”. The drive is so smooth , enough power , and I drove back from the dealership for 300 miles on the M6 at 75mph using the excellent Tech Plus pack’s driving assist getting over 45mph. I filled up and the range indicated 680miles. The car is so quiet and relaxing, the seats really comfortable and the tech is mind blowing. The best car I’ve ever had ( including 840d / M340i /997) for quality / value / tech .
I can forgive the bulky exterior design because it's clearly a transitional vehicle where the side panels also need to hide the batteries of the EV version. But the cost cutting is unforgivable. I sat in the vehicle at a car show and was sure that the interior materials were still pre-production but no. Some of the cheapest most scratchiest plastics right in the field of vision and touch. The quality of materials is worse than in a G30. The bean counters who decided that this was acceptable in a 5 Series deserve to be slapped in the face. Fully understand the anger in this video.
Hope some companies will make an affordable fix for the removed exhaust tips. Those were the thing, that made you feel special while other companies made what they know also make.
I really think that if max would design cars he would have the most successful car company because in an era where everything is turning into fake , plastic and touch sensitive he would at least on some plastic parts he would make them look nice , the interior would have actual buttons and not too many and big screens the fake parts would at least be little worse than the expensive parts and better than the plastic ones and he would have I think one of the best if not the best cars on the market
For me it’s all pretty bad. But the interior is just awful. The evolution of the original 5 series interior has always been the reason I love the 5 series so much. Hey carmakers, not everybody wants a dash covered in computer screens.
Just can't believe how cheap it looks, not stiched dashboard, crappy plastic all over and such horrible door panels🤢 I'm a 5 guy and this just makes me very sad😢
Everyone complains about the design but i think except the front grill its really cool my dad ordered one 3 weeks ago carbonscwartz exterior with red interior but some hard plastic parts a bit squeaky ı wouldnt buy one but its okay ı guess (Sorry for mu english too its not my naive language)
I think the previous 5 series was able to be configured way more classic and luxurious. But with the black front part which you find in every new 5 series, with or without M-package, you are not longer able to have a car with just one color. There will always be the black front. I mean sure, BMWs style was a little bit more sporty than Mercedes-Benz, but this is a little bit to sporty for the base model in my opinion. Other than that, I really like the whole exterior design, especially from the side. I would love to have the old Infotainment element instead of the curved screen. It looked more integrated and not like something you just smash on top. But maybe we will get used to it. Buuut I really love that there is an electric 5 series. Super expensive compared to the combustion engine, but the i5 seems to be really good. To own a 5 series is my biggest dream. So the good thing is that there will be plenty of not so expensive G30 in the next years :D Thank you for the video, really like it! ^^
I just bought previous model 545e, one of the last ones for sale. For the exact reasons that this video explains. For quality and not to have this stupid screen with hidden functions.
Sometimes it is not about if the new looks good, sometimes it is about if the new design looks fresh, new and modern . and that will most of the time grow on people after some time
I think alot of these interior and quality issues could be a cause of eu restrictions and movement towards evs. It is a modern trend, emmision controll has made cars alot more expensive and i am guessing bmw wants to keep it more reasonably priced than it would be if they built it like they usually do. I guess there is just so much hype about the 7 and 3 series with the suvs that they couldnt bother with the 5 series. Shame really...
Target market for BMW is China. Chinese customers have different tastes in cars and BMW admited in public that they build their cars specifically as the Chinese people like it and they don’t take any other markets into consideration.
Yep, the interior looks just like every other model in BMW's new line-up, i know they used to all like similar with past generation models but they were still enough different, this is just raided the same parts bins and save money (yet more expensive than ever!). After my short-loan of a U06 Active Tourer i just _hate_ the cheap feeling interior and complex driver interface - and least it still has the iController. Never been a fan of flat-bottom steering wheels and at least the 12-o'clock marker is black! The exterior doesn't look awful (except that rear diffuser) but doesn't look "special" either, just "meh". Agree about your comments about the head-light design. Thanks for the video and glad you done a base model 👍
AS I GOT AN IDEA through video about "the small 7 series" I felt like it's a mercedes benz C220 w203 but with less heavy steering but a dead one I loved that car a lot (w203) how it was light weight but calm, stable and classily heavy in drive feeling and as many mercedes we build trapezoids with its steering wheel (that is a bit dead but truly functionnal) it's nostalgic
Every time I see this car I expect BMW to come out on social media and post that it was all a joke and this car was just them trolling, and then the real new 5 series will be shown... Whoever designed this car is literally clueless about design. It goes beyond taste, it's just objectively badly designed, proportions are horrible, can't pick which angle it looks worst from, it's totally unbalanced from every direction. It's like they were trying to design an ugly car. Whoever designed it never studied anything related to designing, or they did, in which case, shut down the institution that gave them a degree. What's sad is that BMW used to be the benchmark of a good sedan. They literally invented the game and perfected it. They designed flawless sedans, absolutely perfectly proportioned from every angle. This literally drops all that made BMW great and forgets it, and then starts something from scratch that's just horrible and doesn't work. And the interior is just as bad. Not only ugly and kitschy, but also low quality materials than pretty much in any 5 series since before the E39. An E39 that came out almost 30 years is a definition of luxury and quality and style for this. This to me looks like an interior designed by juvenile people who haven't grown up and have a weird taste, and expect everyone else to like their work. This does not look like a car that would be driven by a typical 5 series owner.
Im a huge fan,love all your videos man keep it up I mean I know we’re well that there’s a big team behind you so thank you for them too anyway keep it up man. I have one more question how can I be like you? Like how can I get this job as you or work with you guys?
This design takes my personal new lead in worst looking BMWs, followed by E36 compact. And a 5-series with a 4-cylinder already sounds weird.. I combine 5 series with inline6 engines at least. That 4 cylinder sound makes this 5-series feel like an 3 series at max.
Every 5 series generation has had a 4 cylinder. If it was not selling then they would not be making it. It honestly is plenty since most of these lower power 5 series are company fleet cars . But yes a 6 cylinder is alot better and it is coming to the g60 in hybrid atleast which is honestly pretty god damn good.
BMW was one of the last car manufacturer still trying to improve their quality in last gen cars. With this new gen, I hope they are not trying to follow Mercedes, which has been doing this cost saving interiors for a while now, apparently even with success, since people are still buying it...
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520i have smaller 20 to look like package not engine as we know for long time but from today also away from the performance, cause unless u have 6cyl, its just package.......
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A very real onest review, a breath of fresh air for a car channel.
În my opinion they try to recreate the E60 headlights but failed and the light steering it's really not good for bmw.
@@danielsacui5710 true! especially for a Whole brand that was known in late 2020's takling about after 2015 till 2020 for their Supple and Agile and very highly accurte Fast Handling in Steeeing.
All models from 1998 to 2010 all machines were good
You forgot to mention the scratchy hard touch plastics in the lower door cards. Crazy for a 5 series.
Yes, BMW is really losing it. Ugly designs and making the materials feel cheap.
It’s a shame cause a new E class has soft touch
bc competition is intense, so they need to make them cheaper
@@d.s.2868???
@@ataipacquiao5713 you do know the price difference between thoose two?
Saying goodbye to the loved M5 F90 😢 hope they turn back to that design.
The M5 F90 generation? Yes, stopped selling those before summer. They're making a new M5 with the S68 (I think it's called?) with the mild hybrid, it's the same one they're using in the new X5M,X6M, etc.@@dontlikemylife
no they won't go back to it
forget
duh that's how works, my favourite car i want means i have to buy a used :((@@dontlikemylife
Those days are gone - absolutely gone.
All BMW models since 2020 are step down unfortunatly ... And I'm a BMW fan
true words mate😕im sad too
Yeah, older also was 6 syl. it's true that bmw doesn't look so valuable anymore
@@firstlast2857 it started with the total fail of 1 series F40. The tortured desigb of 3/4 series. But now it is ugly AND cheap 😞 I really feel sad for this dream brand able to build a M3 E92 and now this piece of s***
@@Submariner92 Funnily enough the F40 1er would be the only _new_ BMW i'd contemplate buying even though i agree it's got it's flaws, however every newer model that has come since *is* a proper fail!
Indeed, me too
Design aside, I think its ridiculous that BMW removed the exhaust pipes
That was one of the MAIN things that I loved about BMW as a kid, when my dad got his first f30 touring. It looked so cool compared to the other cars that only had bumpers or to feel 'special' that I was part of the exposed exhaust group on the road.
I hate to think of reasons why they did this, but i can only imagine it is for us to get used to the electric design language, but even that idea is pulled out of my ass.
as a kid f30? are you 12?
@@hardywoodaway9912 2012 released the f30. If he was 10 hes now 21
100% agreed..
But what do you need them for? Can’t even see them while driving.
Dude, just check the stock rear bumper of e39
Thank you for your criticism. I absolutely agree as a fan and I feel even more furious about it. A base model peugeot 508 can make me feel more excited which is a real shame
I agree 100% with all your points of criticism. If BMW chooses to go with the same platform for electric and ice powered vehicles, why make them look like they re all electric. The lci g30 is so much more mature, stylish, elegant and powerfull design wise.
The 5 series has always been the best looking BMW line with every generation but this one is terrible 🥲🥲
the bangle 5er looks bad, so did the previous generation after the facelifting
@@denalisiomontpellier4064Haha explain to me why the E60 looks bad because it does not. Same with the G30 facelift why does it look bad? All the shapes and proportions on those cars look good. On this one the stupid grille is the only chrome part on the exterior which looks ridiculous and also it's way too big in proportion to the front.. First 5 series that I hate!
@@denalisiomontpellier4064Speak for yourself, I think every generation up to this one looked great.
Yeah they did! This one looks more like a big 2 grand coupe (FWD)
@@Chris-cy3uqyeah I really like the g30 lci
Thanks Max. Thanks to be the voice of the true car enthusiasts out there. Once again I feel totally aligned with you. My family has had over 35 bmw in the last 25 years, we basically had all the M cars to have, as well as all the 5 series since 1995.
BMW direction is indeed very scary:
For the Sports car, since the G Gen, we switched to the GT department of Porsche, which has fully gave us what we were looking or. For the dailies however, it is though, as on the market there aren't any valid alternatives that can live on the FORMER BMW Legacy.
Our attitude towards new models changed drastically, before we were always excited for the model, about what crazy innovation it might have brought from the racing world, or what design trait might have introduced to the market. NOW WE ARE SCARED, up to a point which we will start front-loading all the last FEW cars entailing the real essence of our passion, in vision of the future.
This is true for the entire car industry, but particularly more for BMW, which has deluded once again it's most passionate customers.
On top of this, all (other) medias seem to be happy with the latest non-sense in the car community, probably incentivised by some hefty commissions.
Keep it up,
Giak
Yes, they are all determined that we should all eat SOY and like it.
Max really is the kind of guy you will sit through the entire ads for.. even though you know they make dough, just because he’s the only one producing reviews on this level and very fucking knowledgeable
No
Simp
Thank you new BMW design, makes me appreciate my E38 and F11 more every day. Good and honest review, as we like on this channel.
Totally agree with your comments on the quality is going down day by day.Previous version luxury package and the one which is facelift are the ones which are my favorite for not only visual basis but also driving feels too.
G30 was a beautiful 5 series. Last one for me after driving 5er for over 20 yrs.
Thanks to this new generation, I love my 540i G31 even more, and will keep it much longer than originally planned. It may be my last bmw. It is a shame as I fell in love in the brand well over 30 years ago buying second hand e28 as my first bmw.
keep it as long as possible
keep it as long as possible
keep it as long as possible
It seems to me that BMW has also lost the plot when it comes to design. It was sad to see Mercedes look bad, but BMW too. This has to be the worst-looking set of BMW designs in a while, after such a great run in the last 12 years. Honestly, that's it, just going for a flying spur. At least Bentley is succeeding where everyone else is failing. Porsche too.
Yeah yeah, everyone says this literally every time a new generation of BMW comes out. Yawn... come up with a better critique. BMW is shattering the competition in terms of design as they are doing what they did in 2003, a complete change for the future state of cars. Audi is boring and Generic, and mercedes still looks modern yet old. BMW has completely changed the name of the game for future state of car design, always met with harsh judgement at first, and then a couple years down the road, praise.
@@IEATU95 not this time, methinks...
Sorry, there is not a single detail in this car which hasn't been seen at other car brands. (Except the Logos) The Cars from the Bangle Era were revolutionary in terms of design, or maybe more recently the i3. But defenitely not the new 5 series. Anyway - this shouldn't be a problem. Most times, only people who have something to complain write comments and people who like the car often don't comment.
Tbh the new e, c and s-classes all look good in my opinion but the EQS and EQE though absolutely horrible.
objectively the Mercs (non eq) look quite decent for comparison.
s class vs 7 series
e class vs 5 series.
clear decision for me and my friends..
Finally someone who drive the 20i. All reviews talks about the i5 who nobody cares about
I don't know what happened to BMW lately, but for sure this new 5 series is not up to the segment it should belong to. I personally have a G21 320d, which I absolutely love, and since I'm going to change it in a few months I had the opportunity to evaluate the 5 series, but I said heck no, not this one! I already ordered another G21, and this time will be a 330d with the glorious 6 cilinder, and a nice spec. With the same budget as a bland 5, I will get again the best BMW I can have (at least IMHO).
Have fun with the LCI 3 series.
No Ambient lighting in the door pockets
Cheaper steering wheel (plastic)
No key storage beside the steering wheel (on the left)
No nets on the back of the front seats.
No laser light anymore
And a generally cheaper feel.
100% better than the 5er but still. I told my dad he should keep his G21 pre facelift as long as possible
As a G20 pre-LCI owner, I agree. I personally chose to buy the pre-LCI after I saw that slab they stuck on the dash.
@@patrickm.4754 100% agree. I'm an owner of the F30 for 5 years and still love the interior. Prefer what I have any day over the ugly displays in the newer models
the german brands are cost cutting
Those 3er are pretty bad, heavy and with a bad weight distribution (around 52.5/47.5 for rwd). Also diesel 6 is not as good as the gasoline 6.
Good news is, this car is not gonna sell so we will have a better 5 series in 2 years 😂
looks like that for all new bmws
it’s definitelly going to sell. especially in china where these new goofballs were literally designed to be sold there 😻
@@efeisik0 let's wait for that. They thought this about the ix, turns out a flop
The ix is far from a flop lmao... everyone who has money I know has bought one... even us. It's an investment because they give you 2 years free charging and such good luxury.@@v12-s65
@autotopnl I totally agree your comments as +6 yrs ownership of 5 G model series. I also don’t like digital car speedometer. I think that interface should be optional. Cars meant to be driving machines not mobile PCs.
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Retrophile 😅
It looks like a Toyota corolla. Especially the rear of the car.
You described it perfectly by saying that any car manufacturer could have produced this car. Gutted with BMW these days, except with the new M2, love that 😁
The worst part is that it cost €90.000, which is €40k more than the G30 🤨
the base model is 90k? crazy
@@th3oristbase 520d is 70000€
Nah, in Germany it starts at 57.000€. Where do you live?
With a bit of configuration it will be 70k and that for a 190 hp car@@jojajo2707
@@jojajo2707 prices in the Netherlands are always more expensive. LCI G30 was about €55k
I totally agree with you. G30 was perfection interior and exterior wise. I am trying really hard to like the new 5 and 7 series, but I just can't.
But became ugly after the restyling
@@denalisiomontpellier4064 I agree.
G60 is downright ugly, i disagree for the G70 7 series,because the haters don’t even know what Rolls Royce is and the G70 just looks like that especially on the Spectre front end
@@seansiew5629 I understand the Rolls Royce thing, but this is no Rolls Royce, it's BMW and it doesn't look like BMW. I know BMW olwns Rolls Royce, but that doesn't mean they should be the same. BMW's philosophy is much different.
@SWENWAR well I can say the same thing when Audi applies Lamborghini styling cues to their RS cars and it did,well tbh G70 is too futuristic for most
Last week I had a 740d as a rental. The new model with the bicycle stand grille. Very decent comfort but operating all the functions of the car is truly a nightmare. The revenge of German engineering.
Bicycle stand 😂
Well the S class especially the w223 has a very cheap looking interior, coming from a w221 and w222 S class owner, the G70 seems to be a better to drive car than the w223 is
You get used to it pretty quickly
@@KDR816 Maybe but when you get the car as a rental and aren’t a BMW driver yet, it’s a nightmare.
@@seansiew5629 The interior quality of the G70 isn’t that good either.
I think their designers have to get jump at this point tired of giving excuses for them 😑😑😑😑😑😑
As a g20 lci owner, I really feel like that the 3 series is the much better car. I already sat in the new 5 series, and I think that the 3 Series Looks soo soo much better than the new 5 series, and that the interior is also much better. I think that everything in the 5 series feels quite cheap, I really dislike the steering Wheel and the new Idrive controller also feels weird to use. Another thing that I thought is horrendous in the new 5 series is the seating positon, because I felt like I was sitting in a minivan or a small SUV, because you sit quite high, which does not feel familiar in a BMW.
Overall I have to say that I am incredibly dissapointed by the new 5 series, and I think that the „older“ g20 3 series is the much better car.
Very true, I’m also an owner of a 330i LCI and while I haven’t sat in the new 5 series it doesn’t look that appealing - even the ambient lighting. Also the taillights don’t match the looks of the front of the car and even makes the car look cheaper. I heard that the driving dynamics are still ok but not as sharp even though their chassis is sitting higher probably due to its need for placement of the big battery.
I sat in the new 7 series and strangely there seemed to be a major lack of driver leg room. I'm 186cms and I felt pretty cramped. Completely different to the S-Class for driver leg room to the pedals.
G20/21 LCI will be one of the last good BMWs for a long time it seems.
Also have g20 LCI and after test driving new 5 series I feel absolutely no need to get one. I wanted one before I tested it, but its quality feels just so much downgraded compared to f10 for example that it doesn't feel the 5 series anymore. It is just a car. Rear seat is uncomfortable which shouldn't be the case anymore after all of the added length, cupholders changed from premium to very cheap as armrest as well. Comfort seats were one of the most important things since forever and now they removed all the important functions like tilting upper part. I5 m60 is a good car but compared to 330e lci it is nothing special which would make me pay double the price.
Make bmw great again
You hit the nail on the head. My family has been buying BMWs since the mid 80s and it’s been getting worse. By far our families favorite BMW was a 91 e34 535i. Amazing car at the time and looked modern for many, many years. My mom handed it down to me as my first car and then it went to my brother. 250k miles before we donated it and it was still going strong. Last BMW my fam had was the first X5 before going big family haulers (Land Cruisers) Fast forward to 2021 and my mom wanted to get back into BMWS, she ended up getting an X3 m40i. She loves it, mostly the drive and power but she was shocked at how much plastic and cost cutting there was everywhere. She’s getting an X5 50e M sport soon which just may be the last one if they continue down this path.
Just get a mint E39 :)
@@lolish1234 one day I will own an e39 m5, my dream car. For now I have an Elantra N, talk about fun!!
@@dubber4lifeFor real, Hyundai is killing it with their N-models. The i30 N (fastback) is one of the most fun cars I have ever driven. A friend of mine is getting an Elantra N and I can't wait to drive it. And that's coming from someone who daily drives an M340i, which is a very fun car too, but the i30 N tops it in the fun department for me. I might get myself an N-model for my next car I think, since BMW is losing its touch and I'm thinking of switching brands after 20 years of BMW
Try it yourself, they are great if you are open minded/not a retrophile
I agree with everything you said. So true.
New 5 front looks disappointing, hoping for a much different m5 touring front look
Not only the front , the back is so chinese , the sides are ridiculous , everything is messed up with this car
According to recent spy photos... I've got some bad news for you :(
My biggest gripe is with the interior. I really don't like these screens, they look like they were added on over the existing design. The first version of screens were nicely integrated, like in the G20 pre-LCI or G30.
I have used that for 7 months already, nothing to complain about in real use.
@@KDR816 I have driven a courtesy car for a bit more than 1 week. I would never pay for a car with that interior.
@@KDR816 Really, you actually like pushing that ugly screen 3 times instead of a button one time? Maybe you like to be constantly annoyed.
@@truxton1000 you need 1 tap to get the comprehensive menu. And to adjust the temperature tap on + or - that is always on the screen. Or use voice controls. And it is not an often thing usually. Doesn't bother me. It's a too trivial thing to have an opinion about it/like or dislike. Just use it
@@KDR816 “You need to” yes that’s the point, in my g31 I don’t “need to”, I just press ONE button and it’s done. Voice control usually fails so you end up shouting at the car. The problem is that progress is supposed to make things simpler, or if not possible keep it the same. So to make it MORE difficult is just insane. But of course; those screens are very cheap to produce, well they are not cheap to replace when they break so the car probably have to be scrapped but who care about that, not BMW, not the guy who buy the new car and sell after 3 years but when it’s clear that the average car will be written off years before the older models maybe owners care in the end? Why do you think the prices on used electric cars fall so much? Well I’s sure it will be clear for everyone after a few years.
as G31 owner I fully agree with everything you said. I really do not know what guys at BMW are smoking.
You are soooooo right, this is such a step back from the previous gen… it is actually sad.
I can‘t fathom how they went from the G30 Facelift to this. It shouldn’t even be possible
100% agree with your comments. Been driving BMW 5 series for 15 years, different models. But this doesn't look like a BMW. I now own a G31 and I seriously believe I'll skip this 5 series and buy something else in future. Have spend so much money for BMWs but those cars all look the same these days.
I've had exactly this feeling when only looking at pictures and videos. Seems like a step back (except for the vegan leather, I like that actually). The previous 5-series looks better both in and out.
You’ll think “ill get used to it”, until its compared to the previous gen😢. If you get the carbon black paint with the other 20 inch wheels (the silver and gloss black ones), the code name is 938, with these, i think it looks alright, but in any other spec, im not too sure
Yeah, never had to get "use to it" for many older cars. They look great from first sight!
I jumped into the G60 from my F10 and thought I just jumped into a 3 Series. BMW tried to reduce cost on things they think we wont notice. But it's the small details that matters.
10 minutes in and Max is still destroying every single part of the car.😆I just can't imagine swapping my F90 for this kia...
It looks like a Kia Ceed from front
I got g30, 530d xdrive :) and actually went to see new 5 series. I don't hate it but don't like it at all. From behind looks like jaguar, inside like not well designed octavia and from skoda as well. As well got 2021 730d xdrive which I love vs new 7 series. 😢😢😢😢😢v
I agree 100% - the design is disappointing, as is the drop in quality of the materials, inside and outside 😮 I have a G30 LCI in M sport trim in the same colour as the car you tested and have to say I think my car looks way better! Maybe I’m biased, but honestly I wouldn’t swap it for the new one. It’s a backwards step for BMW in my opinion.
It's 2 backwards step for bmw
what the inside looks so nice in the new 5-7 series :(
@@senoow4215 idk, g30 better
@@ipanfeed i materiels ans overall quality? Not looks?
@@senoow4215 it doesn't look good
Man it’s struggling to get above 200 😂. It’s not meant for the autobahn. It is however a great car for the Netherlands.
Bruh this is not 550i
I mean it is the lowest trim, right?
also useful for the UK, or maybe not as it's a bit big - maybe 2-series Gran Coupe then instead as it looks similar ;)
I fully agree with you! I wanted to buy a 5 series limousine but they already had the new G60 model, thus I bought the G31. And I do not regret it any second. Two months after my brand new G31 arrived I got to see a G60 in person ... boy, that car is not what I would want to buy. The front and back with all the useless Black-ish plastic bits, the cheap (comfort) seats and the new dash ... "very, very good copy by a Chinese company" describes it perfectly.
I own a 2011 BMW 328i xDrive Sports Wagon, 6 speed manual with the sport package - Deep Sea Blue Metallic over Oyster interior. I absolutely LOVE it, truly is the Ultimate Driving Machine. I am sad to say I will NOT be buying another new BMW ever again, that’s how far they have come down hill. This new 5 series looks worse inside and out, that’s a fact. Hate the unintegrated screens, no physical buttons, and the Honda Accord like styling. For my next car I will be getting a Porsche, they know what their customers want!
I sadly had similar impressions when checking out the new model in person. For the first time a new 5 series came out, I was not impressed. I honestly feel like I would rather stick to my G30 for now.
@@enjoylife756 No one is forcing me to buy anything, I will keep driving my G30 for many years, but obviously eventually it will need replacement. That's not the point though, new model is supposed to be desirable more than the old model, otherwise where is the improvement. This new car feels like it was done with cost cutting to meet competition's EV specs in mind. And yet the price is still higher.
@@enjoylife756what a daft comment
I think the main problem is the M Sport cosmetic package: if you go on the configurator and choose a more “basic” trim the look of the car changes completely and looks really good in my opinion…even by changing the rims only
i think it looks even worse that way
The fact you even try to find a spec to see something good really says a lot
It’s pretty bad without the m sport package. With it it’s passable. Far too many weird angles with this generation though.
Rear looks like some random korean/chinese car
It's sad to think that we are probably the last generation that is going to enjoy beautiful BMWs with massive engines, lots of power, great sound and manual gearboxes
RIP G30, the nicest 5 series made
Sorry I forgot; 100-200 28.02
What a beast 😅
100-200: yes, just barely 😅
Is that a date? 28.02.2024 🤔
Got a 530d F11 LCI one of the best BMW designs ever. Still looks brand new 😊
Now I love my G31 even more
I like it how BMW still increases the size of these cars and makes them more and more practical over time despite sticking to 5 series weight rations. It makes it really interesting to have compared to some competitors like Mercedes Benz or Audi. Though I don't like it how they went away from the German Baukasten Format to something that is more curved. The sidelines on the G30 were just perfect and now the engine hood literally falls down like a river very quickly. It makes the car look like a FWD platform from outside. Also I don't like the headlights (neither do I on the G30 LCi I miss my 4 Angel Eyes) They look very 1 Series and 2 Series Gran Coupe like. This car in total just looks like an upsized balloonized 2 series Gran Coupe with the exception of being a RWD Car.
I would even go as far as annoying other BMW fans by saying: VW Passat B8 Sedan in R-Line looks better than this car. Of course the G30 preLCI is king but still, this opinion of mine speaks bands for me.
Agree the new Passat looks better.
i am very happy with my e60 LCI, i have a 3.0 petrol engine (n53b30a) and a manual gearbox, bonus to that exclusive edition and has around 1550kg, no need for new models.
Thanks for an honest review, which kinda made me sad. I'm a proud owner of a pre-LCI G30 540i and I think I might keep it longer than anticipated.
02:10 - This car looks like a cheap Chinese copy because it was presumably designed for Chinese market.
10:36 - At least BMW drivers will now have a good excuse for not using indicators. 😄😄😄
13:42 - I was hoping this not to be true. Unfortunately, this could make me do the unthinkable and buy a Mercedes E-class next. I think the new E 450 will be a very praised car in the near future.
The E39 2001 face lift car was the best BMW 5 series ever made. FACT.
The LCI was so perfect they knew they cannot beat it, so they clearly didn't even try.
This car is the best, the ultimate example for that BMW build cars no longer for the european market anymore. They build cars for the asian market. They like this design.
ما اسم المصمم الذي صممها ...يجب ان يكتب اسمه على المحرك او الباب ...حتى نعرف الشخص الذي استطاع تدمير bmw ..
The bit with “Chinese copy” was great :)))
Probably the most honest review on the new 5. I had an e46, e 90, f11 and now I own a gorgeous Jatoba color 530xd G31 with Oyster interior. When I saw the new 5, first time ... I thought to myself ... 'I have to see it live, because it's not possible to look so bad'. Well ... it looked even worse in reality. Didn't drive one though ... but I will wait on that part.
I have my g30 facelift for 2 years. It is a daily joy to drive. Ergonomics are very fine I like listening to my audiobook each time I get in with no action other than driving. Everything falls naturally in my hands. No need to multiple actions. All is simple. Comfort leather seats are gorgeous. The 530l trunk was not belated by recent cars. The car handles like a smaller car. It is quite light lightweight (less than 1700kg). The quality is perfect everywhere. I hated to buy so many options. No I almost forgot this but it came at a price. At least every options works perfectly, it is like the car itself : sleek design, élégant, and perfectly operational. I have Mhev 2liter 4 cylinder. It works fine and silently. I I miss my old 3.0 six cylinder from my previous E39. But I must admit performance is superior now and fuel efficiency made a step forward. What can I expect from the G60 version ? It became so huge and heavy but with no improvement in capacity or space. It is a screen infotainment with complex ergonomics. The design is just as you said : I don't really like it. I know the challenge was to make a tall beast loaded with 350kg electric batteries look reasonably elegant. Did they succeed ? I would say, to some extent, yes. It does not look bad. But as time will go we will realize how perfectly balanced the g30 was in comparison.
I currently own the G30 and have ordered the new G60 in 550e. It still has the spirit of the 5 series, with its long hood and bevelled trunk. I think it'll take a while to like it, but you'll come to love it. One thing's for sure: it's a shame we don't have real exhaust pipes any more. We're stooping to Audi's level. As for the rest, I'm sure I'll enjoy driving and admiring my new 550e.
Having owned 2 5-series I have to say BMW has lost it. I bought a Mazda 6 now and honestly I like it more than my 5 series. It's sportier, it handles better,... No more BMW for me.
I was really afraid about the looks of the BMW 5. I was expecting worse. Recently tested the i5 M60. Power is a bit over the top and and range a bit low. I did see the new 5 touring in avant premiere and it does look acceptable, some minor details I don’t like.
As for the 520i, it is sufficient, but I’d rather have a bit more power.
Power true, but I have serious doubts about optics, exterior and especially the interior without buttons. We need buttons! And exhausts on the outside. This thing doesn't quite stand above an Ioniq 5 which I recently drove. This is simply not worth it tbh.
Picked up my new M4 Comp today. The interior is such high quality. If BMW are reducing the quality of the 5 Series I think they’ll regret it. 5 Series customers want quality!
I like the front end of your car but I really hate the design of the M4 coupè from the side, anyway I admit it's a good deal for the performance that offers, compared to the car I'm looking for (an used 2017-2019 porsche 991 4s with ceramic brakes).
This is a very meah car. I would not pay more than 30k for it.
Exactly my opinion too, it screams of cost savings, especially at the interior. A short list, no more laser lights at the exterior, at the interior the lower door panels are hard plastic and no fabric on the interior like the G30 had, the sunshades are covered in cheap plastic, the steering wheel hub, plastic again, phone storage not anymore with cover, cup holders in the back not covered anymore, no more backseat pockets, no more led strip on the back doors, sunroof is not openable, less physical buttons, less physical buttons and settings for the comfort seats too, cheap windows opening buttons, no more Sensatec stitching (optional on G30), smaller door pockets (as the subwoofers are not anymore underneath the seats), no more dedicated button for setting the distance against the car in front (is in OS menu now), no more door entry sealings.
Idk why, but the front looks like a lego car..
I'm gonna be honest and say that the new 5 series looks pretty nice actually. But I will a 100% agree that BMW is not like what it used to be from 2020 onwards. Still a nice looking car though.
I am looking to buy a 5-series, now I know I want a G3x after watching this video. The G60 is really ugly outside and inside...
I have just picked up a new 520i from BMW Cockermouth. I completely disagree with many of your comments. The build quality is superb ( way better than my wife’s GLC). The rotary dial is so satisfying. The quality of the components on touch points, the solidity and the smoothness of operation is fantastic. I agree the indicator stalks are a bit “ hollow”. The drive is so smooth , enough power , and I drove back from the dealership for 300 miles on the M6 at 75mph using the excellent Tech Plus pack’s driving assist getting over 45mph. I filled up and the range indicated 680miles. The car is so quiet and relaxing, the seats really comfortable and the tech is mind blowing. The best car I’ve ever had ( including 840d / M340i /997) for quality / value / tech .
I can forgive the bulky exterior design because it's clearly a transitional vehicle where the side panels also need to hide the batteries of the EV version. But the cost cutting is unforgivable. I sat in the vehicle at a car show and was sure that the interior materials were still pre-production but no. Some of the cheapest most scratchiest plastics right in the field of vision and touch. The quality of materials is worse than in a G30. The bean counters who decided that this was acceptable in a 5 Series deserve to be slapped in the face. Fully understand the anger in this video.
Hope some companies will make an affordable fix for the removed exhaust tips. Those were the thing, that made you feel special while other companies made what they know also make.
everything is going down the drain.... i just bought a 2022 A8 full option just because of the solid build quality and the "old" tech
Unpopular opinion apparently, but I quite like the new 5 series (especially the i5) - design wise
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I like it, especially the long wheelbase for the chinese market
I really think that if max would design cars he would have the most successful car company because in an era where everything is turning into fake , plastic and touch sensitive he would at least on some plastic parts he would make them look nice , the interior would have actual buttons and not too many and big screens the fake parts would at least be little worse than the expensive parts and better than the plastic ones and he would have I think one of the best if not the best cars on the market
BMW target is china. That design suit af for China market, it gonna be huge success for BaoMa (BMW in Chinese is called BaoMa)
For me it’s all pretty bad. But the interior is just awful. The evolution of the original 5 series interior has always been the reason I love the 5 series so much. Hey carmakers, not everybody wants a dash covered in computer screens.
Bmw car getting uglier
Just can't believe how cheap it looks, not stiched dashboard, crappy plastic all over and such horrible door panels🤢
I'm a 5 guy and this just makes me very sad😢
Everyone complains about the design but i think except the front grill its really cool my dad ordered one 3 weeks ago carbonscwartz exterior with red interior but some hard plastic parts a bit squeaky ı wouldnt buy one but its okay ı guess
(Sorry for mu english too its not my naive language)
I think the previous 5 series was able to be configured way more classic and luxurious. But with the black front part which you find in every new 5 series, with or without M-package, you are not longer able to have a car with just one color. There will always be the black front. I mean sure, BMWs style was a little bit more sporty than Mercedes-Benz, but this is a little bit to sporty for the base model in my opinion.
Other than that, I really like the whole exterior design, especially from the side. I would love to have the old Infotainment element instead of the curved screen. It looked more integrated and not like something you just smash on top. But maybe we will get used to it.
Buuut I really love that there is an electric 5 series. Super expensive compared to the combustion engine, but the i5 seems to be really good. To own a 5 series is my biggest dream. So the good thing is that there will be plenty of not so expensive G30 in the next years :D
Thank you for the video, really like it! ^^
I just bought previous model 545e, one of the last ones for sale. For the exact reasons that this video explains. For quality and not to have this stupid screen with hidden functions.
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Theres also gonna be a 6 cylinder diesel 540d mid of next year
Those are not kidneys, those are Hitler's moustaches.
Sometimes it is not about if the new looks good, sometimes it is about if the new design looks fresh, new and modern . and that will most of the time grow on people after some time
I think alot of these interior and quality issues could be a cause of eu restrictions and movement towards evs. It is a modern trend, emmision controll has made cars alot more expensive and i am guessing bmw wants to keep it more reasonably priced than it would be if they built it like they usually do. I guess there is just so much hype about the 7 and 3 series with the suvs that they couldnt bother with the 5 series. Shame really...
Target market for BMW is China. Chinese customers have different tastes in cars and BMW admited in public that they build their cars specifically as the Chinese people like it and they don’t take any other markets into consideration.
Yep, the interior looks just like every other model in BMW's new line-up, i know they used to all like similar with past generation models but they were still enough different, this is just raided the same parts bins and save money (yet more expensive than ever!). After my short-loan of a U06 Active Tourer i just _hate_ the cheap feeling interior and complex driver interface - and least it still has the iController. Never been a fan of flat-bottom steering wheels and at least the 12-o'clock marker is black! The exterior doesn't look awful (except that rear diffuser) but doesn't look "special" either, just "meh". Agree about your comments about the head-light design.
Thanks for the video and glad you done a base model 👍
I loved the old models so much but i’ll give this one a chance. Need to see them in person
At least the grille is reasonably sized, even if a bit tacky looking. In my book though, designwise the G30 wins by a landslide.
I’ve been watching you guys since 2016
AS I GOT AN IDEA through video about "the small 7 series" I felt like it's a mercedes benz C220 w203 but with less heavy steering but a dead one I loved that car a lot (w203) how it was light weight but calm, stable and classily heavy in drive feeling and as many mercedes we build trapezoids with its steering wheel (that is a bit dead but truly functionnal) it's nostalgic
Every time I see this car I expect BMW to come out on social media and post that it was all a joke and this car was just them trolling, and then the real new 5 series will be shown...
Whoever designed this car is literally clueless about design. It goes beyond taste, it's just objectively badly designed, proportions are horrible, can't pick which angle it looks worst from, it's totally unbalanced from every direction. It's like they were trying to design an ugly car. Whoever designed it never studied anything related to designing, or they did, in which case, shut down the institution that gave them a degree.
What's sad is that BMW used to be the benchmark of a good sedan. They literally invented the game and perfected it. They designed flawless sedans, absolutely perfectly proportioned from every angle. This literally drops all that made BMW great and forgets it, and then starts something from scratch that's just horrible and doesn't work.
And the interior is just as bad. Not only ugly and kitschy, but also low quality materials than pretty much in any 5 series since before the E39. An E39 that came out almost 30 years is a definition of luxury and quality and style for this. This to me looks like an interior designed by juvenile people who haven't grown up and have a weird taste, and expect everyone else to like their work. This does not look like a car that would be driven by a typical 5 series owner.
as a BMW fan, i wouldn’t buy this car if i had the money. G30 was peak BMW
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🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, It looks horrible, as it was made for the Chinese market only...
When he said its looks like a good chinese replica of a bmw 😂 that was spot on!
Im a huge fan,love all your videos man keep it up I mean I know we’re well that there’s a big team behind you so thank you for them too anyway keep it up man. I have one more question how can I be like you? Like how can I get this job as you or work with you guys?
I really like this guy, he's like a big kid, however he knows his stuff.
This design takes my personal new lead in worst looking BMWs, followed by E36 compact. And a 5-series with a 4-cylinder already sounds weird.. I combine 5 series with inline6 engines at least. That 4 cylinder sound makes this 5-series feel like an 3 series at max.
Every 5 series generation has had a 4 cylinder. If it was not selling then they would not be making it. It honestly is plenty since most of these lower power 5 series are company fleet cars . But yes a 6 cylinder is alot better and it is coming to the g60 in hybrid atleast which is honestly pretty god damn good.
BMW was one of the last car manufacturer still trying to improve their quality in last gen cars. With this new gen, I hope they are not trying to follow Mercedes, which has been doing this cost saving interiors for a while now, apparently even with success, since people are still buying it...
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