Firefighters upset about new fire truck
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- The city of Stuart and its firefighters are at odds over the purchase of a new truck for their fire department. The city says in the long run, it will save taxpayers money.
Firefighters say it will prevent them from saving those taxpayers' lives.
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This truck should be an addition, not a replacement.
knightd12 agreed
agreed. they are a complement and not a replacement for a 1st due engine.
They replace a engine that pretty new for some reason. I don't understand that community
knightd12 it sounds like there is another reason behind the replacement
Casey Biehl...Government policy. "If you don't use it, you lose it" when funding is available.
Oh look, allowing politics to step into and make decisions on a job they have no idea about....
Sounds like law enforcement these days
@@Zaltic are you a member of antifa?
They said the fire chief made this decision. That should be an experienced firefighter.
I don't use a Cessna 172 as a commercial airliner for a reason.
They would had it met the requirements. Your comparison is pretty bad though considering this truck meets their requirements. It's a want over needs, and ultimately it's not their money.
reverse thrust I really agree with you on that one
M Hamma. Shut up know nothing.Keep worthless info( your opinion) to yourself.
My crew has done more with a quick attack than 5-6 trucks with 750-1000 gal tanks! 10,000 gallons of foam that is also 300-400% MORE efficient can do a TON more than the big rigs. That is equal to 30,000-40,000 Gals when you do the math! THEN on top of it do to how it interacts with air particles it clears smoke MANY times faster removing fuel from air that could cause back draft or heat draft! THEN on top of that is STICKS in place causing 1000's of times less water damage and not allowing EPA issues to arise from chemical runoff! On top of that it cool ambient temperature WAY down MANY times faster than water! BIG SIZE AS YOU SEEM TO IMPLY is not always better.
Unfortunately one of the issues (and why I think some don't like foam) Is that even though we are talking CLASS "A" Foam. There are multiple companies that make it and add there own spin to it. SOME ARE much better than others. Also how you disperse it. Some like caffs because of the control. Others like nozzle induced air to get the throw. You basically need to decide if you're going to us it that you do research and be willing to spend more for the good stuff. The foam we used was Almost a full 400% more effective than water because it held 4 times the water molecules in place as it was explained to us in training. Yet also was HUGE on killing surface tension, so what water is there saturates the physical non-burned fuel available. SO YES 4 times the water molecules being held in place cools MUCH faster on top of smothering and grabbing particulates from the air. THIS ALSO COOLS THE AIR MANY times faster. It steals the fuel and steals the heat. AS FAR as airport foam for runways. That fluffiness has more to do with specialized dispersion equipment. HOWEVER... Since almost 1987 the FAA has recommended AGAINST laying blanket foam on runways FOR PUBLIC airports. That is more a military thing and even then they recommend a protein based foam . The idea is that is interferes with braking systems and may make plane overshoot runway causing MORE chance of severe accident. As well that you want as much foam available as possible in event fire does brake out. Military has other issues like ordinance to worry about. So the call is on them.
Replacing a regular engine that holds 1,000 gallons of water with a mini pumper that holds only 400? God forbid these fire fighters are unable to hook up to a hydrant on a fire call with this mini pumper. Should be an addition NOT a replacement!
Southern Comfort Well maybe that extra 600 gallons of water could extinguish the fire enough to rescue someone trapped inside where once you use the 400 gallons on this truck you have to wait helplessly until a larger truck arrives... But what do you care it probably won't be any of your family members...
@Southern Comfort plus that mini may be cafs equipped so it's water would go farther
@@mikewhipkey6863 you never just pull up and start spraying water 1st , and send members into that structure . That would be very dangerous . They arrive on scene and do a search for life and then put water on the flames !
Regular fire engines hold 500 gallons of water, not 1000.
@@FreedomsNurse many type 1 engines hold a thousand gallons and have large pumps
Thats a first due piece to structure fires...are they kidding ? Thats good for a car or brush fire.
22///// A mini pumper is fully capable of being a first in apparatus. It has a large pump and is capable of supporting two hand lines for an initial attack.
So your one of the dumbasses who support this ... What next who needs a HURST tool (Jaws of life) When a Hammer & crow Bar are cheaper & do the same thing.
Kevin/// I want to watch you do that. HURST is a lot faster. Before that, there were hydraulic hand tools that were used to good effect.
Ignore Kevin, he is a moron troll that knows absolutely nothing about firefighting.
ffjsb k0smon
ignore yourselves, Kevin is making a satirical point he isn't literally saying to replace hurst with a crowbar
I wish the politicians would stay out of things they know nothing about. Let the department decide what they need and work into the budget. A mini pumper is not suited to be a first due apparatus. Mini pumpers are great for small trash fires, and car accidents. Not structure fires
Zack /// Disagree. A mini pumper can have as large a pump as you order, and water supply according to the size of the truck. Where I live, the mini's carry two preconnects and 300 gal water. They are first in in their territory and are working well. Yes, we have hydrants.
k0smon in some instances they're fine but they aren't suitable for most departments. I'm sorry but a mini pumper just isn't suited for the same use that the full size pumpers are equipped for. Not to mention fitting all the equipment.
Zach Novosad But thanks to politicians they get funding so they have a right to pick and choose. The firefighters only job is to keep the citizens safe and put fires out so the Fire dept. Doesn't have the right to complain!
Keam Pickens yes they do. They know what's best for their department. I'm a volunteer myself and we battle the same issues with our town officials. This is why we have truck committees to bring to the officials to say this is what we need. If they know it won't be sufficiency enough to do the job they have every right to complain. Doesn't matter where the money comes from. The people that do the job know the equipment the best. It's like a dentist performing open heart surgery. We've had people in our town say "what do they need hydrants for? Don't they have that tanker truck?" Were a district with less than 5 hydrants.
@k0smon You are not understanding. The truck they got is what the city bought for them, they had no say in what options were fitted to it nor the option of having larger pumps, hoses, etc. Hence why this video was put on the news. Secondly, you're not going to fit 5-7 men fully geared-up to attack a house fire in a quad cab pickup.
This all boils down to the city wanting to cut out the most expensive budget drainers which can be the most easily dealt with, which is replacing a full size first priority ladder truck with a wimpy little bush pumper and writing it off on the books.
"cheaper to maintain"... people need to stop looking for cost-cutting ways to get by. The cheaper you go, the pointless it gets.
some people do not have endles supply of money
My department has one of these. The thing is useless! It spends half its life being sent back to the manufacturer for service, and god help you if you try to draft with it. It certainly hasn't proven "cheaper to maintain". They've spent more than twice the initial purchase cost on fixing it, and we've had it for less than five years. Would have been more cost-effective to just get another pumper. The only advantage is that it can get down tighter driveways and roads. When it runs.
I know little about fire fighting. however, I think the mini pumper would be a good addition (not a replacement). it would be good for quicker respond time and slow the fire while the big rigs take over and finish the job. (timing is everything with fire.) or even for the areas the big rigs can't get to. like I said, this mini pumper is a good addition not replacement.
Carnage 50X you are absolutely correct. Many departments around the country use the mini pumpers (some call them Rescues or Squads) as an additional vehicle in the fleet. They can help speed up response times, start an initial fire attack, or reach tougher terrain for the engine to get to. That being said, as you stated, it's never a good idea to replace a full service fire engine with a mini pumper.
Carnage 50X and it can control the situation until a bigger unit gets on scene
Even the latter statement could give room for discussion.
Why carry obsolete stuff, which you hardly need, for every run?
It's like when an ambulance responder drives to your location with a smaller, more agile car to deliver first aid while the slower, clunkier ambulance arrives and gives you more sophisticated support
The firefighters should have the casting vote on equipment. Specialist equipment should be chosen by the specialists who will have to use it in conditions of adversity. Training firefighters in maintainance with the significant bonus paycheck might be an incentive to help them select the best for the best. Respect
My God, we fought this mini pumper concept in the 70s. It didn’t work then and it won’t work now. You can’t replace a full service pumper with a glorified pick up truck. Mini pumpers have thier place as an addition to a fleet not replacing pumpers.
Our Tahoe's are getting replaced with mini pumpera
yeah they are good for small brush fires or rural quick response. another thing they are actually great for is highway use, car fires and washing down the roads.
Our department in Switzerland has one pumper and two mini pumper trucks, distributed in smaller stations over the area. They significantly cut down response time, can reach places where the pumper can't go and water supply generally is not an issue with hydrants within 100 meters. With a crew of 6, a 10 meter ladder and 6 SCBA, they are quite versatile, and we successfully use them as a first-in-line for structure fires. Often they have already established a water supply before the pumper even arrives, declassifying it to a personnel/material carrier.
@@the_socompsp
We stopped washing down roads 20 years ago. Too much liability.
@@poppiarlin5612 perhaps where you are but i still see it happen all the time, using booster lines to get debris off roads in a faster manner than a man with a broom, as well as rinsing road kill off roadways.
I thought mini pumpes did NOT qualify as a front line pumper under NFPA!
Richard clarke
400+ gallons and 1500 gpm? Assuming it's at a decent pressure, that's a type 1 piece of equipment.
So assuming it's a capable pump, those FF's need to UN wad their panties
Greg Meyer they're mad because the council wants to replace their engines not buy new ones
Greg Meyer probably has shitty pressure and it also can't carry as much equipment as a regular engine can. all this comes down to is the city trying to cut funds to the FD when a new engine is needed.
Type 1 engine requires the following:
300Gal Water
1000gpm @ 150psi
1200' of 2.5in hose
500' of 1.5in hose
Type 2's require a bit less at:
300gal water
500gpm @ 150psi
1000' of 2.5in
500' of 1.5in
In theory as long as they carry all the hose and pumps they should be able to meet it, but that is a small hosebed for 1000' of hose, let alone 1200'. Not to mention the chassis is probably going to be near maxed out on GVWR, and that is without tools, gear, and firefighters.
Richard clarke it will when the politicians change some wording around
Mini bush fire pumpers are a supplement to a regular pumper not a replacement.
They are if you're stupid or a tightwad...
PM//// Depends on how you use them. A mini-pumper is not necessarily a brush truck.
Kevin//// How stupid? Lots of small towns have tight budgets.
k0smon small towns...you said it.
We ran, and knocked down THOUSANDS of fires in my town between 1976 and 2000 with a mini pumper. Three or more guys, fast response, at least 200 gal and you can knock down MOST home fires in the room of origin. Its about training, and utilizing the equipment properly. Here in PA we pioneered the mini pumper as a "Fast Attack" and it was a often repeated concept, until NFPA standards on staffing and equipment were updated......despite the fact it works well for so many departments and municipalities.
So the officials admitted to buying that vehicle because it was cheaper to run rather than one better suited. These guys are on the front lines and should be given a say with what they will ultimately use to protect the public. So answer this one question: Who knows more about fire trucks, the firemen/women, or some desk jockeys? I thought so.
maybe their biggest problem is the costof truck repair
you did not hear from a goverment speaker just their written statement
the station has several other back up engines
they are just replacing the first due engine
Mini Pumpers are good for Rapid Response, Brush Fires, Car Fires, if equipped with a CAFs system. and Medical or Car Accidents But they don't hold 1/2 of the Equipment a main line Engine holds, and should never be used to replace a main line Engine/Pumper.
Don/// The county department where I live has two mini's placed where the ratio of medic calls to fires is highest. They are working out well.
Exactly bc when on the interstate you want the biggest truck u can take to the sceen
this is what happens when you get people who no idea how to do the job make the decisions about doing the job,the same thing has happened to the military under odickhead.
john doe are you talking about trump?
Slippery Storm because trump has a military background
Slippery Storm Get comfortable, you'll be waiting a long time.
Please Stop Trump doesn't have military experience, he was a draft dodger
Colin Waddell Barack had zero military experience, so what's your point?
I have all respect to firefighters god bless all of them
A mini pumper does not measure up to a regular engine. Using a mini pumper on a structure fire is like trying to kill an elephant with a fly swatter.
So the city wants to save money by replacing a type 1 structural fire engine with a type IV brush rig. Sure it will save them money on fuel, likely maintenance, but what about the wrongful death lawsuit that comes when that rig ends up first in on a fatality fire, or results in a line of duty death? I'll tell you it will be a multi-million dollar suit at the least. Not to mention the OSHA fines and loss of federal grant money. Great idea...
ak/// You sound like a union rep, just blowing smoke.
k0smon, did I say anything that hasn't happened. Have you ever been in a fire? Have you ever had to pull out your dying buddy from a fire, an "accident" directly caused from understaffing? I don't even live in this community, I just care about my fellow fire fighter and the citizens we protect.
You willing to pay a lot more for your home and auto insurance? Because That's what your local fire department does for you, they are an insurance policy. When you short change your protection your insurance goes up, because your losses goes up. All to save a dollar a month on your property insurance or to save a fraction of a penny on sales tax from a 1000$ purchase. When that ISO rating goes up one lvl, because the standard you were getting isn't there anymore, you will see a a near double increase in your insurance costs.
Now you can call me a union rep if you want, despite me not being a "rep" it doesn't bother me, but what I do know is the fire service. Having been in the fire service for 16 years, 10 of it as a paid Union fire fighter, and 6 years as a non paid, non Union, volunteer... I'd say that this proposal of reducing capabilities to save pennies on one end to potentially pay tons on the back end is stupid. May God forgive if someone dies from dies from these uneducated, uninformed decisions.
AK/// Understaffing is not the result of the size of the engine or any apparatus. It is the result of the political structure who fails to provide adequate staffing.
That mini pumper is a type 1
@@AkPacerPilot
I was trained in New York City by the FDNY.
One day we had multiple major fires which were over a Second Alarm. That was called Black Sunday. In New York City we depend on the ladder companies due to the amount of high rise buildings. We need ladders that have a 100 feet reach or more. We didn't have enough ladders at a major fire and an entire company had to jump out of a 50 feet high window.
All but one died.
You can't cut corners or dollars when it comes to firefighting and Equipment. Every fire requires a different type of apparatus and is a different situation.
No two fire are alike.
Now I am in Puerto Rico, and the nearest functioning ladder is three hours away with a police Escort.
We are on the West side of Puerto Rico where at times we have one Engine and one crew member, the chauffeur.
Most of our apparatuses were manufactured in the early 1990s.
Our Volunteer Fire Brigade is comprised of retired American Firefighters from various areas and jurisdictions United States. (some are big city Buffs). We use our personal money for our Equipment and apparatus. The new volunteers are sent to the United States Fire Service Training Center by FEMA in Maryland.
Every type of jurisdiction has a Government with economic problems and money is short. Therefore a priority is needed for the allocation of funds in fire suppression and prevention. This includes our EMS teams. We spent over 17 million dollars of our personal money for Equipment, training, INSURANCE (a critical asset), various forms of communication services and Equipment.
A fast Attack is not a suitable replacement for a full service line Engine Company. If anything it can AUGMENT an Engine Company by operating in tandem with each other.
That City has its priorities wrong!
Our fire department started a lottery where the towns people can buy tickets to win cash. The fire department uses the profits from the ticket sales to buy their equipment and no longer spends tax payer money. They have have bought 3 new trucks, a new rescue boat, search and rescue ATV's, expanded the fire house with 3 new truck bays and countless other little odds and ends. The town fully supports the fire lotto.
The good part of that is that the people know exactly where their money is going.
Never down grade, add or upgrade, can't be cheap with fire protection.
You cant replace a regular rig with a mini pumper. Mini pumpers are great for car fires and brush fires. Or in areas like if there is a fire in a parking deck.
Chad/// Please state a reason for your comment. A mini pumper may not be so great for brush fires unless it is built for off road use.
k0smon I agree
did I hear that right? it pumps 1500 gallons per minute but holds 400 gallons? that means it runs out if water in less than 30 seconds?
That is true if they were at max pumping. They all run out of water in 2 to 3 minutes.
So I watched this twice and I still have no clue what is actually wrong with the truck. Awfully weak on details.
wow 15 seconds worth of water then what the stand around pissing on the flames ! some stupid desk jockey making life and death decisions !!
"A mini pumper that holds 400 gallons of water and can pump 1500 gallons per minute..."
Hmm, let me do the math...yeah, not worth $200000!
You would never see cops making a statement claiming it's a waste of tax payer money.
Went thru this same 'arguement' in the early 90s when the city wanted to replace a 5 yr old full sized 1000gpm/750 gallon pumper with a 1300gpm/500 gallon mini-pumper. Their reason they said as also maintenance costs. I and many others think it was a way to eliminate man-power. The mini had only a 2 man cab while the full sized pumper had capacity for 6 firefighters. I should say at this same time the city was trying to lay off 12 firefighters and thought a smaller engine would mean less firefighters would be needed, justifying lay-offs. Ya gotta watch them people, they will resort to some dirty tricks to reduce man-power costs. Even pull crap like this.
We used that exact truck just older as a recuse truck for YEARS I’m confused how it won’t be able to save lives
Should not be a replacement should be a addition the thing would be a great truck to respond to big housing subdivisions to respond faster
I don't even know why I'm watching this, I live in Germany
Felix B 👍👍
for the same reason i watch cats playing piano's at 3 a.m.
Here’s a novel idea take all the money they pay rappers and athletes and pay teachers firefighters and police. The world would be smarter and safer and there would be less shitty music and crybaby athletes
I must have missed the part where the city pays for the rappers and athletes, you moron.
theboyx3 no you’re Mom pays for them
Mini Pumpers are fantastic...for specific applications like EMS, small misc fires or brush fires. You can't use it to replace a full sized rig.
Wild land fire is what it designed for. Dose your chief know the key differences between class of fire equipment It is not ratted the type of use that the want it for.
AF/// Not necessarily. It may not have a beefy enough frame for wildland fires and off-road usage.
That particular unit showed in the video would not be good option for a wildland engine. Let me point some things out. No bumper line, no exterior hose reel, and no pre-connects.
andrew frazee
The Chief had no say in this decision. It was the city council that decided.
Welcome to UK style budget cutting. We tried this (but with even smaller units based on a standard pick up) giving them various names such as small fires unit, rapid intervention vehicle, etc instead of a full pump so as to deal with 'nuisance' fires such as waste bins, early stage vehicle fires, etc with just 2 crew. Problem was one was sent to what came in as a bin fire only to find the burning bin was against the structure of a home which had become involved by the time they arrived, the unit didn't have the water to put it out, nor the numbers of crew and equipment to effect a rescue resulting in fatalities in the home. This put the brakes on the concept of widespread adoption of these things, but instead they save money by closing more and more fire stations and removing more appliances.
It's kind of ironic that they say this because main engines carry between 500 and 10000.. class 1 engines run anywhere from 1,000 gal to 2000 GPM.. which truck carrying a 1500 gallon per minute pump is equal to a lot of larger engines.. my fire department has 3. 1500 gallon per minute engine… and I bet you that many pumper holds so much as much as your main engines.. most mini pumpers also have what they call pump and roll capability meaning they could be used on brush fires and small wildfires.. I know this is an older story but it's still these guys are just trying to make problems for everyone.. this engine is more than capable of handling cars that normally are handled right now by class 1..
The real danger is if that cross eyed dude is driving any firetruck.
Here I am thinking im too cheap when I get a bag of off-brand chips...
The best equipment is almost always more expensive. "Good enough" usually doesn't cut it.
poor fire engine, its sad nobody wants it :(
Turn that garbage into a BBQ truck. The irony of that is through the roof.
Heres a solution..... Use both!!!!
Random Person doesn't work when the truck they want to keep is being replaced
Random Person the other truck was replaced are you thick
at my station we have a mini pumper...its not used for an everyday thing..in my opinion it shouldn't be used as a relacement..brush fire? car fire? etc yes or if one of your engines are out of service? this would be great but not as a replacement
You don't take our regular pickup truck and throw utility bed on it and call it a fire truck.
Dude I see nothing wrong with that truck many fire departments need a new truck like that
We said some of the equipment we had was outdated, and we got given new equipment and told to keep the old equipment as spares and for training. I hate to hear the firefighters are having to deal with decisions made by people with no idea. I know this is old, but the point still stands.
they paid 200k for a pickup truck with only 400 gallons... who's the chief who came up with this idea?
Mini pumps are good for small volunteer departments or forest fighting rescue as well
If the main goal is to save money, get a pickup truck with a water tank. Ridiculous.
Let me get this, it holds 400 gallons of water and can pump 1500 gallons per minute. So in less than 20 seconds it's out of water????
Why the hell didn't they just let only the firefighters themselves decide? They're the people who know the best what they need, after all.
MM///// The politicians control the money.
Cheaper to maintain, but far more dangerous for those it is supposed to save. good job ignorant city officials
Too many American cities have to operate on the cheap. Budgets are tight and they are terrified at having to raise taxes.
you don't skimp on your fire department.
the mini pumper should be used for wildfires, not for city use
Well, the city needed to piss money away on hideous public art fixtures and median strip flowers, so there wasn't enough left over for important things
Form a line, pass buckets, no fire engines required at all. How much are buckets?
Politicians only worry about their pockets being full of money
If the dept could not afford the maintenance on the correct piece of apparatus then it’s time to raise taxes. It’s the cost of doing business.
Small water storage. Small storage space. Large pump! 1500gpm. Ours is 1250gpm and we have the largest pump capacity in our entire county
fd//// What would you say the average amount of water a pumper would need to output for 2-3 hand lines?
They called me the Mini Pumper in college.
They never said what was so wrong with the truck
This should be used as brush truck not as pumper.
Holds 400gal but pumps 1500gal per minute. Hmmm........ that's not gonna last long enough to put out a fire
It holds 400 gallons of water but pumps 1500 gallons a minute. What kind of logic is that? Smh
John, you're supposed to get on scene and immediately connect to a hydrant.
JF/// Maybe 300 gpm under normal circumstances.
That spokesman statement from the union did not make sense
Why the heck would they replace a bigger engine with a smaller one?! Doesn't make any sense. The one they have now seems fine.
This truck would not work in a large residential fire or a large commercial fire
the firefighters should just set the truck on fire and say it had a malfunction.
don't let them lie the other stations made fun of them for having a little fire truck
Imagine firefighters being forced to operate entirely out of clown cars.
Thats a downgrade not an upgrade. I don't want my taxes being saved in terms of fire safety, it can be cut in other areas JFC
That's what happens when office people make decisions for the ones who go out and do it
The engine can’t respond to calls?
It holds 400 gallons but pumps out 1500 gallons a minute?........
WG//// You pump what you need, normally no where near 1500 gpm
The truth is this truck would mean the loss of 2 to 3 firefighter jobs as it requires less fighters to fully operate.
Ask yourself how many times you see employees say the old equipment the use is hood enough? These folks just don't want to loose a coworker or three.
most fire equipment is kept for 30 years of service they gotta get replaced sometime
The reporter said it in the first sentence- the voters decided. Civil servants work for them. The union should have been vocal before the vote, things just don't pop up on a ballot.
We love are mini pumper run EMS and fire calls
Ole dude tried to taste that radio.
The mini pumper holds 400 gallons of water, and pimps out 1500 per minute? So, that means it can only fight a fire for under 15 seconds! .....and the city paid $200K for that squirt bottle?
1000/ Are you numb? Remember hydrants? And hardly ever would you pump to capacity.
The way they should have argued it was, this truck I'm assuming can not pump as much water per minute, increasing the time to it takes to extinguish the fire which puts lives in danger.
The mini pumper is exactly what is needed to respond to vehicle collisions. It is SOOOOOOOOO stupid to take a ladder truck to a fender bender. There is no reason to take a truck that holds 1,000 gallons of water to a vehicle collision because an axe or pry bar might be needed. Besides, those big fire trucks at collision scenes only adds to the traffic congestion.
@@jberndt88 It's only an issue when people make it an issue. And it is vehicle collisions or crashes, cars don't have accidents.
@@jberndt88 It's opinions like yours that is the reason Joe Biden has been elected. Why don't you return to the sandbox and let the adults run the country?
@@jberndt88 Yours is the epitome of government employees crying "WE WANT THIS" rather than evaluate what is actually needed. It's easy to spend taxpayers money. Too bad, it's not your birthday, you don't get one.
@@jberndt88 I think we are getting to the source of the problem as you have admitted. You get lost very easily in a conversation. I also notice you are the only one out of millions of people who have the courage to come to this open forum and select this topic to prove your lack of understanding. Be brave my weary friend, be brave.
Lets see... Not knowing that small firefighting trucks = "GOOD FOR FIRE FIGHTING" When the big ones do better
Holds 400 gallons of water but pumps 1500 gallons per minute. So it'll last all of 20 seconds?
MM/// No. You pump what you need. Hydrants???
The internal tank is good for 16 SECONDS of water at the given specs. Enough to put out a BBQ.
Paul//// You would not pump anywhere near the max under normal circumstances. Remember hydrants?
Looks like the government is fine with risking lives as long as it saves a little cash in the end.
We like our mini pumper a lot and it's been a great addition, but an addition is what it should be. I'd never want to see one of the bigger trucks replaced by it. That's not what they're for.
Okay, would they care to explain what's wrong with it? Is it too small? Does it not hold enough water? Is it cheaply built? One thing that annoys me is when companies or government agencies cannot be clear and transparent with the general public. Most people know little to nothing about firefighting, so explain in more detail what's wrong with the truck rather than just saying vague things in regards to it.
The truck will break down constantly because it’s not made to carry that much weight.
Only 400 gallons will get someone killed. Quickly. Also, what about scene protection when responding to accidents on the highway? That pickup truck is not big enough to block a scene. Stay safe out there, SFD
6.4? Wait for it....melted pistons
where can I find updated info?
So... running an 200 gpm 1.75 line, that new engine will literally run out of water in 2 minutes if it doesn’t have an established water supply.
This is what happens when you have people
Who don’t do the job. Make the decisions for you. It’s dangerous
Its a good rapid intervention truck to get water going before all other trucks get there or to extinguish smaller fires, but to make this a standard pumper? That’s an absolute joke. This is exactly what happens when people who know nothing about a certain sector are put in charge of that sector, and this is happening WAY TOO MUCH over the whole world
Great coverage! No info at all!!! What is supposed to be wrong with the new truck?
Here is a pick up truck with a garden hose, we got a good deal on it
only in Florida would they replace a new engine with a slightly newer engine that is actually worse than the old engine...
seriously? they replace the big fire truck for a small fire truck? of course they'll be upset. they should've given them a full size firetruck plus that fire truck as an addition
0:50 idk if it's just me, but I don't think a firetruck should be able to respond "if need be", it should be completely prepared to be the first truck on scene. That thing is just a glorified bush truck
Truck barely has enough water to pump 4 minutes what a waste
If that truck does not meet NFPA standards for a class A pumper, then it will not end well.