I can understand why the current government can't tolerate her The fact Is she is perhaps one of the most celebrated historian So much respect and love prof
Yes. Professor madam. This is the time of inventing history at the cost of real factual history by silencing real historians. But now this task of creating stories as history is difficult in this age of technology and communication.
She has been proved to have written doctored history by the new generation of historians. It is not a question of history being used in politics but is a matter of what is closest to historical truth. Is the version of history she has written politically motivated. It would be interesting if a debate is initiated between her and the young historians, although I wonder whether at her age she'll be up for it.
Well this presentation reiterates the same thoughts which have been nursed and proliferated across 7decades as 'history'. The serious questions pertaining to historiography are still left unanswered as the common technique of picking up the illustrations from the advantageous resources and consciously ignoring or hiding the evidence from other sources is still persistent. To provide one example, the issue of interfaith marriage (particularly among the royal households in medieval times) is mentioned and various possible reasons are also discussed. But while providing the examples, the Mughal princes marrying Hindu (rajputh dominantly) princesses are cited. But no single evidence of Mughal rulers giving their daughters to Hindu princes as a symbol of reciprocity of goodwill or political benefit. And follows the grand conclusion that there were no forceful interfaith marriages at all. Where is the genuinity in such discourses?
What else can you expect from pre-conceived, ignoramus Scholars?? Also, the people who come into a culture has to adapt, not the other way around ,which is happening to this day. These characters are pseudo intellectuals with privileged background. On their own , their achievements would amount to little. Talk to them for a while, I will have across a few, their association with St. Stephen's, IIT, Harvard, all will drop from their mouth.
Indian History learning from this urban naxals is like drinking the milk touched by a snake....only propaganda and agenda to supress sanatans with out proper archaeological proofs....😮
Why so much hate? She is making a pefectly valid arguments. It's a sorry state of how lopsided the thinking has become and too judgemental without understanding what's being said.
Because they wish history should affirm their narrative fed by the propaganda. They fear truth. They are terrified that they could've been wrong all this time.
How does Hindu craftsmen scribbling poor Sanskrit the details of their contribution in repairing the structure infer that they were not forced to do so or asto the nature of rule by foreign invaders? It belies logic.
The advent of social media and democratisation of discourse has led to upheaval in arts and history but '1+1' still remains '2' and no-one has a complaint against Math....what does that say about the "content" validation in arts subjects???
Vikram Sampath please. Let’s have Romila respond to his findings on Khilji and Somnath and how she distorted history on that. There are very specific points that right wing historians have raised like the above; she needs to respond to each one with data to regain some confidence. Else it’s just her English that will get admiration
Romila thapar - Niether an archaeologist nor a learned scholar of Sanskrit. Her primary sources are hindu texts translated by Max muller. And who was Max ? He was British servant and an evangelist who was made to write indian history by translating hindu texts. And he wrote a letter to his wife while translating the texts - " I am doing god's work, i wil make them hate their own religion and culture so they they eventually accept christ". You can google - Max muller letter to his wife about indian texts translations
Kindly explain this Max Muller quote from 1883 then-"If I were to look over the whole world to find out the country most richly endowed with all the wealth, power, and beauty that nature can bestow-in some parts a very paradise on earth-I should point to India. If I were asked under what sky the human mind has most full developed some of its choicest gifts, has most deeply pondered on the greatest problems of life, and has found solutions of some of them which well deserve the attention even of those who have studied Plato and Kant-I should point to India. And if I were to ask myself from what literature we, here in Europe, we who have been nurtured almost exclusively on the thoughts of Greeks and Romans, and of one Semitic race, the Jewish, may draw that corrective which is most wanted in order to make our inner life more perfect, more comprehensive, more universal, in fact more truly human, a life, not for this life only, but a transfigured and eternal life-again I should point to India."
Clearly it is a lot more nuanced than your misleading opinion. Please stop sharing half truths and propaganda disguised as absolute facts when you are simply massaging biases.
Max Müller is a Vedantist of Vedantists. He has, indeed, caught the real soul of the melody of the Vedanta, in the midst of all its settings of harmonies and discords - the one light that lightens the sects and creeds of the world, the Vedanta, the one principle of which all religions are only applications. And what was Ramakrishna Paramahamsa? The practical demonstration of this ancient principle, the embodiment of India that is past, and a foreshadowing of the India that is to be, the bearer of spiritual light unto nations. The jeweller alone can understand the worth of jewels; this is an old proverb. Is it a wonder that this Western sage does study and appreciate every new star in the firmament of Indian thought, before even the Indians themselves realise its magnitude? By swami vivekanand
Toxic to the core. I skipped and skipped to listen to some substance, but sorry, it is Hindu-Muslim, Muslim-Hindu, ....and then Hindu nationalism- Muslim nationalism, ....and then two nation theory, Hindu-Muslim, Muslim-Hindu ....... communalism coiled in layers and layers....... Poor audio and video settings.
Bro, check your priorities. You despise historians who spent their lifetime in research and then earned their credibility, to help yourself believe those who have little credibility as historians, who could've never been heard without the it-cell propaganda machinery.
Your interpretation of islamic rule is not based on facts they ruled hindus as British ruled india if you justify the Islamic rolu by the same yardstick British rule is justifiable our independence movement is a mockery further the indian muslims are not not ethinic or linguistic minorities they are converted hindus but the arab and turkish mugals are like the British colonial ruler you must know the difference the modern d na test archeological evidence contradict your argument you ate not an expert in the field of archeology and dna evidence sorry you are outdated
One of the most learned lady of our India
I can understand why the current government can't tolerate her
The fact Is she is perhaps one of the most celebrated historian
So much respect and love prof
Good words. True. Thank you.
Hitler too was 'celebrated'
Yes. Professor madam. This is the time of inventing history at the cost of real factual history by silencing real historians. But now this task of creating stories as history is difficult in this age of technology and communication.
She has been proved to have written doctored history by the new generation of historians. It is not a question of history being used in politics but is a matter of what is closest to historical truth. Is the version of history she has written politically motivated. It would be interesting if a debate is initiated between her and the young historians, although I wonder whether at her age she'll be up for it.
Well this presentation reiterates the same thoughts which have been nursed and proliferated across 7decades as 'history'. The serious questions pertaining to historiography are still left unanswered as the common technique of picking up the illustrations from the advantageous resources and consciously ignoring or hiding the evidence from other sources is still persistent. To provide one example, the issue of interfaith marriage (particularly among the royal households in medieval times) is mentioned and various possible reasons are also discussed. But while providing the examples, the Mughal princes marrying Hindu (rajputh dominantly) princesses are cited. But no single evidence of Mughal rulers giving their daughters to Hindu princes as a symbol of reciprocity of goodwill or political benefit. And follows the grand conclusion that there were no forceful interfaith marriages at all. Where is the genuinity in such discourses?
What else can you expect from pre-conceived, ignoramus Scholars??
Also, the people who come into a culture has to adapt, not the other way around ,which is happening to this day.
These characters are pseudo intellectuals with privileged background. On their own , their achievements would amount to little. Talk to them for a while, I will have across a few, their association with St. Stephen's, IIT, Harvard, all will drop from their mouth.
So you came to listen to this discourse with the expectation of "genuineness"!😮
Ahe is a paid propagandalogist .LEFT WING ALONG WITH RADICALS BRING HER LUXURY .AND SHE LOVES IT .
She can't get over her Islamic LEANINGS 😂
Indian History learning from this urban naxals is like drinking the milk touched by a snake....only propaganda and agenda to supress sanatans with out proper archaeological proofs....😮
Do a series on HISTORY and ARCHAEOLOGY.
And call Dr. K.K. Muhammad along with R. Thapar.
Let's have a debate 😉😊🤐
Thapar will never sit alongside KKM; he's a factualist and she's a story-cook!
Why so much hate? She is making a pefectly valid arguments. It's a sorry state of how lopsided the thinking has become and too judgemental without understanding what's being said.
Because they wish history should affirm their narrative fed by the propaganda.
They fear truth. They are terrified that they could've been wrong all this time.
What arguments did she make? Speaking drivel in an Oxford accent is not an argument.
Absolutely wonderful talk. Informative and insightful.
A logical talk that 1) Identified the premise. 2) Provided evidence. 3) Explained the reasoning.
Well said.
Great lecture by great historian
Madam ,many have doubts about ur history
Excellent perspective 👍👍
How does Hindu craftsmen scribbling poor Sanskrit the details of their contribution in repairing the structure infer that they were not forced to do so or asto the nature of rule by foreign invaders? It belies logic.
The advent of social media and democratisation of discourse has led to upheaval in arts and history but '1+1' still remains '2' and no-one has a complaint against Math....what does that say about the "content" validation in arts subjects???
Vikram Sampath please. Let’s have Romila respond to his findings on Khilji and Somnath and how she distorted history on that. There are very specific points that right wing historians have raised like the above; she needs to respond to each one with data to regain some confidence. Else it’s just her English that will get admiration
ye jo bhi romila maam ko gaali de rahe hain na, jub UPSC ke preperation karoge na to unki hi books padhni padhengi
Isi ko to majboori kehte hai.
Even though the bjp is in power, left is still controlling the narrarive.
@@sumitdutta7043 left is controlling the narrative because left tells the truth, the real history, the evidence based history and not farzi stories
Excellent presentation. Thank you to Romila Thapar and organizers.
What are you smoking
Bad so bad!
Just tell the facts, not your interpretations
Romila continues to fool.
Romila thapar - Niether an archaeologist nor a learned scholar of Sanskrit. Her primary sources are hindu texts translated by Max muller. And who was Max ? He was British servant and an evangelist who was made to write indian history by translating hindu texts. And he wrote a letter to his wife while translating the texts - " I am doing god's work, i wil make them hate their own religion and culture so they they eventually accept christ".
You can google - Max muller letter to his wife about indian texts translations
Thanks,I googled and found u true
Kindly explain this Max Muller quote from 1883 then-"If I were to look over the whole world to find out the country most richly endowed with all the wealth, power, and beauty that nature can bestow-in some parts a very paradise on earth-I should point to India. If I were asked under what sky the human mind has most full developed some of its choicest gifts, has most deeply pondered on the greatest problems of life, and has found solutions of some of them which well deserve the attention even of those who have studied Plato and Kant-I should point to India. And if I were to ask myself from what literature we, here in Europe, we who have been nurtured almost exclusively on the thoughts of Greeks and Romans, and of one Semitic race, the Jewish, may draw that corrective which is most wanted in order to make our inner life more perfect, more comprehensive, more universal, in fact more truly human, a life, not for this life only, but a transfigured and eternal life-again I should point to India."
Clearly it is a lot more nuanced than your misleading opinion. Please stop sharing half truths and propaganda disguised as absolute facts when you are simply massaging biases.
Max Müller is a Vedantist of Vedantists. He has, indeed, caught the real soul of the melody of the Vedanta, in the midst of all its settings of harmonies and discords - the one light that lightens the sects and creeds of the world, the Vedanta, the one principle of which all religions are only applications. And what was Ramakrishna Paramahamsa? The practical demonstration of this ancient principle, the embodiment of India that is past, and a foreshadowing of the India that is to be, the bearer of spiritual light unto nations. The jeweller alone can understand the worth of jewels; this is an old proverb. Is it a wonder that this Western sage does study and appreciate every new star in the firmament of Indian thought, before even the Indians themselves realise its magnitude?
By swami vivekanand
Lol how the mighty have fallen 🤣🤣🤣
Toxic to the core. I skipped and skipped to listen to some substance, but sorry, it is Hindu-Muslim, Muslim-Hindu, ....and then Hindu nationalism- Muslim nationalism, ....and then two nation theory, Hindu-Muslim, Muslim-Hindu ....... communalism coiled in layers and layers.......
Poor audio and video settings.
Right wing people (like J Sai Deepak) are spreading such misinformation to achieve personal goals
This toxic woman
Are you an expert in Sanskrit?
Excellent!
*If Romila Thapar is a Historian then i am unofficial president of USA.😂😂😂*
Who is still ignorant to invite this Romila Thapar to mislead? Amazing how people remain ignorant in this age of information😮
Bro, check your priorities.
You despise historians who spent their lifetime in research and then earned their credibility, to help yourself believe those who have little credibility as historians, who could've never been heard without the it-cell propaganda machinery.
😂😂😂 Nice try. Your life's work is going down the drain.
The argument you use to justify Islamic can be used to justify British colonial rule
Your interpretation of islamic rule is not based on facts they ruled hindus as British ruled india if you justify the Islamic rolu by the same yardstick British rule is justifiable our independence movement is a mockery further the indian muslims are not not ethinic or linguistic minorities they are converted hindus but the arab and turkish mugals are like the British colonial ruler you must know the difference the modern d na test archeological evidence contradict your argument you ate not an expert in the field of archeology and dna evidence sorry you are outdated
ok lol
There is our history and their history ie there is
no scientific history
Very toxic woman 😈
Mam has slavish mindset ....
Bring j sai deepak to invite ....
Is he your dad ??
@@Karan_905 no , but romila is ur mother .
@@sauravindraguru3377 I have not said, u taking your father name
@@Karan_905 u came to defend her .
@@sauravindraguru3377 if you have problems with her writings and argue on the basis of facts do j sai deepak has phd in history ???