The 2023 Toyota Sequoia: Expensive but very good because it’s made with lasers! Really.

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  • Опубликовано: 16 дек 2024

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  • @InvestBetter.
    @InvestBetter. 2 года назад +12

    Most impressive feature: A DOHC, aluminum, twin-turbo, nickel-hydride hybrid engine that makes 583 lb ft of torque at just 2400 RPM, yet still runs on 87

  • @ELPJM09
    @ELPJM09 2 года назад +15

    This may also be in the Tahoe, Yukon and Expedition price ranges but the sequoia will definitely be worth the investment out of all of them. The reason, Toyota has a better reputation of built quality and reliability than the latter.

  • @steveo85
    @steveo85 2 года назад +9

    Decided to not wait on this and put money down on a Sienna. Six months later, still waiting on the Sienna🤣

  • @Toyota4Life
    @Toyota4Life 2 года назад +19

    Technically speaking this is the most powerful Japanese SUV ever made.

    • @seymorefact4333
      @seymorefact4333 2 года назад +1

      Tundra or LX600?

    • @VMRDY
      @VMRDY 2 года назад

      @@seymorefact4333 Tundra is not an SUV. You may be right about the LX.

    • @sohaibkhan114
      @sohaibkhan114 2 года назад

      @@seymorefact4333 lx is less horse power than this

  • @reallifevibes4774
    @reallifevibes4774 2 года назад +3

    Beautiful SUV. I love this SUV. I need one for myself.

  • @trevorsutherland5263
    @trevorsutherland5263 2 года назад +17

    Actually $78K is not really that crazy a price for this type of vehicle: I would not even consider that to be "expensive". Significant, but not expensive. You have to take the long view with these types of vehicles---they are not stylish personal luxury coupes that will be traded out in 2 years for the next one. These things do WORK for years, decades even. A 4WD Suburban LT is about $75K, a LR Defender 130 with just the 300hp I-6 and a few options is $75K and the Toyota will outlast either of those.

    • @ronnymb67
      @ronnymb67 2 года назад +3

      Rare today is the sight of vehicles like this actually "working." The majority are occupied by the driver and a passenger. Rarely do I see them full to capacity or pulling something. Maybe 20 years ago the majority were purchased for their actual utility. Today the majority are leased mall crawlers rarely used to their potential, and traded for another lease in three years. Don't get me wrong. I'm certain they actually "work" in certain areas but around here, about the only "work" they do it transport someone to The Galleria.

    • @youtubecarspottersguide1
      @youtubecarspottersguide1 2 года назад +1

      @@ronnymb67 nice if there was. 2 row model, for us who have no need or want a 3ed row

  • @mak450
    @mak450 2 года назад +13

    I'd imagine that solid rear axel is more responsible for any degradation or change in the ride quality than the boxed frame

  • @TheWrathofnumenor
    @TheWrathofnumenor 2 года назад +3

    The 3rd row height and impact on storage is a no go for me. The battery coupled with the solid rear axel makes the 3rd row and storage areas smaller.

    • @allanedwards2347
      @allanedwards2347 2 года назад +2

      Smaller 3rd row and cargo space is trade-off for value and durability. Shares Tundra platform, NiMH pack instead of Lithium, solid axle. No other full-size SUV will go a million miles with standard maintenance. If you use it like a mini-van then definitely not the best option. If you tow/haul regularly or need high mileage reliability. This is the best option. Resale value tells proves Tundra’s and Sequoia’s are bulletproof.

  • @yangcai6453
    @yangcai6453 2 года назад +2

    6:00 Sequoia always uses fully boxed frame, even for previous generation. Tundra switch from open c to fully boxed for this generation.

  • @vernonknight5827
    @vernonknight5827 2 года назад +1

    I am buying one just like it next year, everything else is 2nd 3rd or last in comparison and I love the straight axle! My last 2 Expedition’s IRS road rough.

  • @beach6191
    @beach6191 2 года назад +1

    I wish they would offer the new Sequoia with the choice to not have the hybrid system like Tundra has. Also, be able to delete third row seat. My 2005 Sequoia is running strong. Third row seat has been in the corner of my garage for years. Gives so much cargo room.

  • @afzalshaikh2128
    @afzalshaikh2128 2 года назад +1

    Even if they had a half decent 3rd this would be a best seller in the segment

  • @eekwhodat7122
    @eekwhodat7122 2 года назад +1

    OUCH!
    Did anyone else pick up how hard the Sequoia rides from the rumble and thump of the suspension? It doesn't have independent suspension?

  • @kresimirmilisa5560
    @kresimirmilisa5560 2 года назад +2

    new sequoia is very good designed car and technologically upgraded.

  • @youtubecarspottersguide1
    @youtubecarspottersguide1 2 года назад +2

    like that Toyota went back to a solid rear axle, only one in its class . rest have indpendent rear axels" for a smooth ride and leg room for the 3rd row" just wish there is a 2 row opt for us who have no need or want a. 3rd row , we want payload and cargo space . the folded down 3rd row seat takes up to much cargo space

  • @bassemsaimeh9171
    @bassemsaimeh9171 Год назад

    Can somebody post the name of the Cigar lounge he referenced at 13:25 ??

    • @MotoManTV
      @MotoManTV  Год назад

      Absolutely! Cigars International in Plano, Texas. They also have one outside of San Antonio. Same as the large website and mail order house.

    • @bassemsaimeh9171
      @bassemsaimeh9171 Год назад

      @@MotoManTV thank you so much for your answer! And now, I have no choice but to go!!!

  • @Toyota4Life
    @Toyota4Life 2 года назад +9

    “Passing power is unusually good”
    I’m sorry but this thing has 440 hp plus an Hybrid powertrain did you expect it to be anything but quick?

    • @daviddeng250
      @daviddeng250 2 года назад

      too expensive! SR5 4x2 $59,795 includes $1,495 destination and handling fee

    • @Toyota4Life
      @Toyota4Life 2 года назад +2

      @@daviddeng250 not expensive. Better priced then everything in its segment

    • @CumBrianFries
      @CumBrianFries 2 года назад +2

      You must excuse these boomers, they haven't caught up with the times yet so they still equate hybrids with being slow and sluggish like a Prius. Heck, even the next gen of the Prius will probably be zippy!

    • @bidenwearsdiapers4026
      @bidenwearsdiapers4026 2 года назад +1

      @@CumBrianFries 👈🏼😂 ok groomer …

  • @yousef725
    @yousef725 2 года назад

    Thanks for the thorough review. One RUclipsr mentioned hesitation or chatter “Chadder” when the car switched from electric motor to gasoline engine? What are your thoughts? Was that hybrid to gasoline transition felt when you drove it or was it smooth?

  • @marcleibovic6879
    @marcleibovic6879 2 года назад +1

    Hopefully a Torsen differential will be available someday

  • @jayrichards3672
    @jayrichards3672 2 года назад +1

    defender 130 has 127" wheelbase I can't find wheelbase of Sequoia anywhere can anybody help they look similar?

  • @ronnymb67
    @ronnymb67 2 года назад +3

    It's nice. It's not my cup of tea, especially at $80G. I'd get something closer to the ground at that price. And I think I saw you driving up I-35 lol.

  • @channelnamehere4065
    @channelnamehere4065 2 года назад +4

    Almost upgraded from Sienna for all the towing and camping needs that this provides. however, I think having no payments is a good thing. I'll give it a few more years and see what they do with the platform and might pull the trigger then.

    • @skenzyme81
      @skenzyme81 2 года назад +1

      Meanwhile, your Sienna will use less gas. Even as a hybrid this new Sequoia will likely get a combined 18 mpg.

    • @channelnamehere4065
      @channelnamehere4065 2 года назад +2

      @@skenzyme81 I'm only getting 19 average with the 2014 Sienna. However, the cargo room in the minivans are unbeatable.

    • @MotoManTV
      @MotoManTV  2 года назад +5

      My favorite car is a paid off car.

  • @dboy2117
    @dboy2117 2 года назад +2

    I love your videos.

  • @aeiq1219
    @aeiq1219 2 года назад +1

    Forget GMs, Fords, pretty but eventually tons of issues. It's either this or the Infinity QX80

  • @hailus7714
    @hailus7714 2 года назад +1

    Still Toyota didn't figured it out perfectly. The quality of the vehicle is great but Toyota needs to come with extended length big size SUV such as the Chevy Suburban. What is the need of an 7/8 seater with out sufficient cargo space for the bags and golf clubs?
    Toyota needs to see what Chevy Suburban offers and create the Toyota Sequoia in an extended configuration as well.

  • @ivankorth4458
    @ivankorth4458 2 года назад

    Can I get a rear diff lock in a capstone

  • @IamFreddyG
    @IamFreddyG 2 года назад +2

    For the “XL” I believe that’s where the Grand Highlander will come into place

    • @yahooskip
      @yahooskip 2 года назад

      Yeah if the grand Highlander is real?

    • @naveenthemachine
      @naveenthemachine 2 года назад

      @@yahooskip even if it is it already got destroyed and lost it’s ground to the Kia telluride and Hyundai palisade 😂

    • @yahooskip
      @yahooskip 2 года назад +1

      @@naveenthemachine for some, but not me

    • @naveenthemachine
      @naveenthemachine 2 года назад

      @@yahooskip i used to put my bet on Toyota but lately their latest redesigns always lower the bar in the automotive industry. I wouldn’t even bother with it when the Kia telluride and Hyundai palisade are far superior to the already nonexistent grand highlander

    • @yahooskip
      @yahooskip 2 года назад

      @@naveenthemachine Yeah, I'll wait and see first, then if nothing seems to be happening with the Grand Highlander, and if I can't talk myself out of a Sequoia, maybe I'll look at these, but having work at a dealership that sells and services these, I'm not convinced yet, that it is the way to go.

  • @1guyin10
    @1guyin10 2 года назад +5

    They really should make an XL version. Carloads of kids come with a lot of kit.

  • @michaelhorvath5556
    @michaelhorvath5556 2 года назад +1

    Yes, XL version please.

  • @kylem324
    @kylem324 2 года назад +3

    Really think they missed an opportunity to make this a PHEV. For daily use, it would drop the actual fuel used substantially. Primarily they would only need to add a few hundred pounds in batteries to achieve this. And they would also get it up over 6000lbs, making it a better tax write off.

    • @MotoManTV
      @MotoManTV  2 года назад +1

      I would not be surprised if we see that in coming model years.

    • @davidhouston7812
      @davidhouston7812 2 года назад

      PHEV yeah then it'll be an easy $90K vehicle. No one would buy it for sure

    • @kylem324
      @kylem324 2 года назад +2

      @@davidhouston7812 They would probably sell as many as they can make. The RAV4 Prime is selling for $50-60k. Toyota sold 3000 Land Cruisers a year, with no marketing support at $85K. This new Sequoia is likely to inherent those buyers, and at 6000lbs Curb weight, your typical business owner can more efficiently write it off, making it cheaper than a smaller less expensive car. Add in a PHEV with 20-30 miles range, you could find yourself with a truck that uses half the fuel it normally would in a month. That’s $200 that isn’t coming out of pocket. You get the best of both worlds. An EV premium SUV that works well enough for daily use without the inconvenience around range and charging for road trips and towing. And in 10 years when an EV with lithium ion batteries will be as antiquated as an iPhone 4, PHEV will still be serviceable.
      There are buyers that would rather have a Toyota in the $80-90k range than a Range Rover/Defender, Escalade, X7, or any other premium SUV.
      The average Sequoia owner keeps their truck 10 years. Land cruiser owners keep them about 11.5. Those buyers are out there, and they are a different breed of customer.

    • @davidhouston7812
      @davidhouston7812 2 года назад +1

      @@kylem324 I mean I would love a PHEV Sequoia. I have a Prius Prime. Absolutely love it. I couldn't justify the price of a Rav4 Prime even with my discount. I plan on getting the TRD Pro or Platinum.

    • @mattstone4041
      @mattstone4041 2 года назад +1

      Already over 6000 gvwr...so no more deductibility

  • @patriotcanuck6485
    @patriotcanuck6485 2 года назад

    I don't get why it's a hybrid you only save about 2mpg. I mean for that price the hybrid system should be able to save you at the pumps.

  • @stickaman
    @stickaman 2 года назад

    name of this cigar place you mentioned, please?

    • @MotoManTV
      @MotoManTV  2 года назад

      Cigars International. The same as the large mail order outlet in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. Turns out they have two lunges in Florida and another two in Texas. Same prices in store as in the catalog!

  • @seymorefact4333
    @seymorefact4333 2 года назад +1

    🇺🇸 I like it! Just want a XXXL sequoia and a sliding 2nd row without a hybrid! 6.5ft bed crewmax tundra can be made into a XXXL sequoia! For $76k...I'd buy this over a $120k Escalade!

  • @dae1973
    @dae1973 2 года назад

    Constable… What are you? A blacksmith 😂. What a old Reference

  • @ram64man
    @ram64man 2 года назад +2

    At last a Toyota hybrid worth buying

    • @tommy516
      @tommy516 2 года назад

      It’s not, it uses outdated battery tech and that’s why the back seats sit up and there isn’t a flat rear cargo area.

  • @bobd1103
    @bobd1103 2 года назад

    Is it now 6 bolt on wheels it was 5

  • @skenzyme81
    @skenzyme81 2 года назад +5

    A hybrid that will cost you $350 a month in gas to drive. 😳

  • @chriswilliams1024
    @chriswilliams1024 2 года назад +1

    Nice looking SUV

  • @pedrorodriguez9386
    @pedrorodriguez9386 2 года назад

    Smoking an LFD Air Bender as I watch this, cheers!!!

    • @MotoManTV
      @MotoManTV  2 года назад +1

      Mike and I had a couple of H Upmann 'The Banker' series after that shoot. While I was at that lounge, I picked up the very hard to find here in California, LFD 'Digger'.

    • @pedrorodriguez9386
      @pedrorodriguez9386 2 года назад

      @@MotoManTV The Banker is a great cigar, I like them very much and smoke them regularly. Regards from the Dominican Republic🇩🇴

  • @kesando84
    @kesando84 2 года назад +3

    If GM continued to make the GMC Envoy it would look a lot like this, especially the front three quarters

  • @kyrosmike
    @kyrosmike 2 года назад

    I wish the Tundra had the same fascia as the Sequoia

  • @darwinabesamis7386
    @darwinabesamis7386 2 года назад

    There is no rear entertainment system ?

    • @alitoma1512
      @alitoma1512 2 года назад +2

      Nobody use it anymore. Everyone has an iPad😂

  • @freytheviking
    @freytheviking 2 года назад +1

    Would love an XL version. Atrocious third row/cargo room.

    • @fakejeepman06
      @fakejeepman06 2 года назад

      It seems like such a big corner of the full size SUV market that Toyota's missing out on.

  • @anthonyszeto5508
    @anthonyszeto5508 2 года назад

    GIve us a non hybrid version with folding flat third row seats!

  • @horwath2005
    @horwath2005 2 года назад

    Heartbreaking to not have cargo space. If you try and get all it can offer, not much, you kill the third row usability. So close to being a home run, so close. Electric motor would have been icing on the top.

  • @gp3012
    @gp3012 2 года назад

    I wasn't expecting someone to talk my ear off, why didn't you just show the SUV. You didn't even show the trunk space.

  • @troytruong8246
    @troytruong8246 Год назад

    Why would u do 400hp+ on an suv? Race in an suv?

  • @lapamful
    @lapamful 2 года назад

    OMG it's big, it's red, what's not to like!? :P

  • @craigt8432
    @craigt8432 2 года назад

    I think an extended wheelbase is necessary for the Sequoia to be competitive in the segment. Maybe add an electric motor to that one for more get up since the mass is already so much.

  • @ianmuir6784
    @ianmuir6784 2 года назад +1

    They just get bigger and bigger,soon they will be to big for UK roads

  • @anthonydotb
    @anthonydotb 2 года назад

    I'm becoming borderline obsessed with this car. They nailed it. I see a TRD Pro in my future...

    • @youtubecarspottersguide1
      @youtubecarspottersguide1 2 года назад

      me to ,just wishTRD PRO came with 2 rows , as a off-roader ,car camper, overlander. I have no need or want a 3rd row ,I want payload , cant bolt down my slide out fridge on top of the folded 3rd row

  • @iceberg4736
    @iceberg4736 2 года назад

    Sequoia XL would certainly be a worthy challenge to the Suburban, but that's a huge ask.

  • @gone6727
    @gone6727 2 года назад +2

    “Good because it’s made with lasers…” now that’s funny! I hope that’s an Austin Powers reference!?! Is it good like the new Tundra??? You know, blown turbos, waste gate issues, rear axels falling off, electrical issues, wind leaks, in cabin rattling and fit & finish like a $4,000 Yugo?

  • @hongsitu3429
    @hongsitu3429 2 года назад +1

    Im still dumbfounded as to why the 2nd row cant slide back and forth and the 3rd row is barely useable.

    • @tommy516
      @tommy516 2 года назад

      Everyone is.

  • @1gr8oil
    @1gr8oil 2 года назад

    I think 80 GRAND is to much to pay for any SUV! Afterall, every SUV is going to take you from "POINT A to POINT B"!

  • @cookies-monster
    @cookies-monster 2 года назад +1

    No Thanks on the XL....

  • @Me-ws5zt
    @Me-ws5zt 2 года назад +1

    No land cruiser for America.

  • @dexterbrowne7927
    @dexterbrowne7927 2 года назад

    I think the third row seating is a downside to this vehicle,,we need more usable space,to make it perfect,, drivetrain is boss!

    • @youtubecarspottersguide1
      @youtubecarspottersguide1 2 года назад

      offer a 2 row for us who have no need or want a 3rd row I want payload and towing

  • @clydecox327
    @clydecox327 2 года назад

    They've been lazering them for years.Pricing way to high.

  • @jlo6388
    @jlo6388 2 года назад +1

    Ridiculous for toyota suvs to cost this much.

  • @Novice2Expert
    @Novice2Expert 2 года назад +3

    My wife drives an Escalade ESV…if the sequoia had bigger space behind the 3rd row, I can convince her to switch for the reliability.

    • @wongchai807
      @wongchai807 2 года назад +1

      Get this! You will be very happy. The 3rd row is okay not class leading but enough.

  • @kubanskiloewe
    @kubanskiloewe 2 года назад

    this powertrain would be nice i the Land Cruiser as well as in the Highlander and the new Lexus RX which 500H+ comes with a small 4cylturboHybrid paired with a outdated 6speed auto.....

  • @perezsykes3803
    @perezsykes3803 2 года назад

    I really want to like the new sequoia, but Toyota dropped the ball on everything behind the second row. The hybrid battery ruins third row leg and head space. And try as they might I’m not sold on the whole shelf system for the cargo area. Overly complicated for what should be a simple open space. The hybrid power train should have been an option not standard on all models. This works on the Tundra because the Tundra is obviously a pickup with a third row and enclosed cargo area. What executive or engineer signed off on this? I see that hybrid battery disappearing or being moved forward during a mid cycle refresh in a few years. After they fail to make a dent in Tahoe or Expedition sales because of it.

  • @blartslimpson8967
    @blartslimpson8967 2 года назад

    Toyota resell value > the rest

  • @Lhondureno
    @Lhondureno 2 года назад

    the price it's way to high... this needed to be in the 40s going to high 50s for fully loaded. tahoe are bigger in 3rd row n truck.

  • @Northern_Ty
    @Northern_Ty 2 года назад +3

    Yikes! TRD Pro with no HUD, 2nd row ventilated seats or dark headliner for $80k - I get the tech it has but buyers are still comprising

  • @matrixist
    @matrixist 2 года назад

    No need for a review. It is a Tundra.

  • @blartslimpson8967
    @blartslimpson8967 2 года назад

    Lol did he say Ford?

  • @RishmeSheriff
    @RishmeSheriff 2 года назад

    Love it but too dame expensive

  • @christianwolf68
    @christianwolf68 2 года назад

    still not worth the price tag. no one can justify to me a price tag over 40k

  • @desmondfrancis6038
    @desmondfrancis6038 2 года назад

    Yes man

  • @daviddeng250
    @daviddeng250 2 года назад

    too expensive! SR5 4x2 $59,795 includes $1,495 destination and handling fee

    • @wongchai807
      @wongchai807 2 года назад

      Twin turbo v6 hybrid standard lol not even the land cruiser has the top engine and thats 80k plus.

  • @youarerightboss
    @youarerightboss 2 года назад

    They're all expensive

  • @rho008
    @rho008 2 года назад

    Toyota and their hybrids. Its almost like they are so proud of it. Never mind that it will cost more, and with gas prices never ever going below 5 dollars ever again, it's like a second car payment. Toyota will be the next Mitsubishi in the next 10 years. Their Korean neighbor, Hyundai will surpass them.

    • @tropicalstorm339
      @tropicalstorm339 2 года назад

      People like you have been predicting Toyota's doom for the last three decades but they continue to move forward and they have been the most profitable car company in those 3 decades.

  • @joegrahe3958
    @joegrahe3958 2 года назад

    Interior still has too much hard plastic.

  • @EvendimataE
    @EvendimataE 2 года назад

    i think the escalade has cleaner and more elegant body design

  • @fernieboy6195
    @fernieboy6195 Год назад

    Definitely unaffordable 😅

  • @tommy516
    @tommy516 2 года назад

    Why didn’t they call it the land cruiser?! It’s literally that! Also, no way these are available this year…

    • @MotoManTV
      @MotoManTV  2 года назад +1

      Because it is not. It's bigger but most importantly, very different execution of the suspension.

    • @tommy516
      @tommy516 2 года назад +1

      @@MotoManTV but why? The Sequoia is a people hauler, it’s too big for an off-road vehicle, trails are usually narrow and the prior sequoia could do dirt roads fine. Most of the people who buy this SUV, are taking kids to activities or kids and pets on trips. You can’t have this new one full of people and then fit a bag of soccer balls, for example; in the back. The 4Runner is a better off-road option, it’s more maneuverable and still has better suspension and a much better price. A large, $80k SUV, with a cargo space that looks to be less than a Highlander, makes no sense to me. I have a 2019 Sequoia Limited, besides the old power-train and cheap plastic interior, it does it’s job Really well. I can fit five medium to large dogs in the back, two large child seats in the middle with enough room for an adult in between them and then tons of front row legroom. This new one, looks like a massive downgrade. Again, this one loses cargo space, no longer has room for a full sized spare? And lost its best feature in the segment, the roll down rear window.

    • @tommy516
      @tommy516 2 года назад

      @@MotoManTV the bigger question is, when is your Lotus Emira video going up?!?!!

  • @tommy516
    @tommy516 2 года назад +2

    Every single new video of this vehicle omits the “God awful rear cargo area”, every single one. That is telling. This SUV is an awful SUV, what is Toyota thinking?!?! As a 2019 Sequoia owner looking for the same utility with a modern power train and technology, I couldn’t be more disappointed!!!

    • @jcabrera8425
      @jcabrera8425 2 года назад +1

      I’m with you. I have been waiting since they showed this to see more and I lost all interest in the last 30 min.

    • @tommy516
      @tommy516 2 года назад +1

      @@jcabrera8425 from other reviewers who show the cargo area, it looks like it has less cargo space than a highlander….$80k and less utility a highlander

  • @ΣΩΤΗΡΙΟΣΤΖΩΤΖΗΣ
    @ΣΩΤΗΡΙΟΣΤΖΩΤΖΗΣ 2 года назад

    NICE, I LIKE IT, I WANT TO DO IT GIFT FOR ME, THANK YOU

  • @jcabrera8425
    @jcabrera8425 2 года назад

    These prices are fucken insane and just doesn’t make any sense to me. When I first saw it I actually liked it and was exited to see more and in the last 30 min I learned why they wanted to kill it. I just lost all desire for this. 3rd row sucks. Cargo space sucks and they tried pushing so hard how “smart” they were for coming up with a stupid divider thing even thoo we all know they did that because the battery in the back took a lot of space so they tried doing something but it was ass. Materials suck unless you go all the way to capstone. The only thing is the screen is big and tech seems ok even thoo I’ve seen many say it lags and ain’t great and the engine seems like it has good power but don’t make any sense why you would pick this over a Tahoe or any other American SUV for that matter. Back to the drawing board. ✌️

    • @wongchai807
      @wongchai807 2 года назад +3

      Its probably cheaper than any American suv with the same equivalent. Top engine from Toyota not even the 80k land cruiser has it. 437hp 500lbs of torque. 59 k for the base is more than reasonable. The reliability alone sets it apart from any American vehicle 😆

  • @jpmackin
    @jpmackin 2 года назад +1

    Wastegate problems keeps me away….for now. 🥹

    • @wongchai807
      @wongchai807 2 года назад +3

      Not even an issue... by the time you get one toyota would already fixed it. They don't mess around with quality, they find the issue and resolve it asap.

  • @youarerightboss
    @youarerightboss 2 года назад

    They're all expensive