Nietzsche: Where to Start?
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This is Nietzsche's method of reading Nietzsche: do whatever you want.
Step 1.. oh..
Yeah I screwed that up.
Lol me too
Same😅
Same here, how did he predict this mistake, probably because Zarathustra is the most mature and juiciest of his book
same
It wasn't wrong for me..
I really love it, i didn't come from philosophy (altho it was initially what i wanted to get a degree in) but instead went on to literature instead. Literary theories and criticism introduced me to lots of philosophy and was my favorite subject during my academic years; perhaps it was because i already was into philo.
I started with Zarathustra and quite enjoyed it. It definitely doesn't outline his main ideas, it's almost more like poetry but it gives you his energy immediately which i loved.
Listening to this while thus spoke Zarathustra lies in front of me (my first Nietzsche read :) )
I read On The Genealogy of Morals, and I found it so brilliant, that I decided to read everyone that inspired the philosopher. From the Greeks all the way up to Schopenhauer. I'm at the very start, so still a long way to go, but I'm gonna have so much fun reading about the history and the philosophy up to Nietzsche's time.
I must admit, I’ve been obsessed with studying the essays of Schopenhauer lately. I’ve been familiar with and have agreed with his philosophy for a couple years now but had only watched a few videos on him. He was such a wise man
@@acardinalconsideration824 I think everybody has went on a schopenhauer binge due to covid learning to be alone instead of strained social gatherings due to regulations is a better alternative to those restricted rules
To the original poster though
Highly recommend studying philosophy at your own pace outside of a course as freedom to explore works you find interesting rather than ones for a grade is a bigger benefit IMO
Also don't forget epicurean philosophy with the Greeks as its strangely intriguing
Happy reading fellas from Ireland
@@acardinalconsideration824 Schopenhauer is somewhat of philosopher wannabe. He praises Suffering while he himself sat on well set table. I know we all suffer relative to our own situation but nonetheless, the way he idolizes sufferings is bit pretentious; Nietzsche's way is more preferable, or Sartre, Camus, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Viktor Frankl.
@@dannypreston9258 👆
what is the genealogy of morals about?
Zarathustra was my first Nietzsche read and I loved it
To me it sounds like he wants us all dead and replaced by something non human..father of transhumanism?
And of course I started with Zarathustra lol
I did too. I’ve been reading them all out of order
After years of obsessing over Nietzsche, I finally recently read his “Untimely Meditations.” They were great, but I much prefer his later works.
Thank you. I always wanted to get into the philosophy of Friedrich nietzsche but didn't know where to start until you made this beginners guide. Thank you again.
Perfect! I'd also suggest starting with the Genealogy Of Morals, then the Nietzsche-book by Walter Kaufmann. Looking into Schopenhauer and Spinoza is also great to get to know the fundamental groundwork for Nietzsche's Philosophy.
I would not say spinoza but more so Hume.
This is literally what I needed to hear. I’ve been struggling for months with where to begin when it comes to reading philosophical literature of Socrates, Plato, Nietzsche and others. I’m going to follow the steps verbatim
Thank you
Very reasonable instructions.
Really powerful video graphics! This could well entice younger people to read Nietsche. Choice of his writings is very sound and appropriate 👌keep up your good work on behalf of philosophy 👍😀👏
Thank you Frank
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What other book would you recommend as an alternative to Introducing Philosophy: A Text with Integrated Readings
Started with Thus Spoke Zarathustra
I can give this order a go to understand Nietzsche and his philosophy. Thanks!
This was a great intro. If I were to amend one thing: read Twilight after GoM. Twilight is as much of a “how to” book as it’s a philosophical text. He’s giving out his methodology and it’s good to get a grasp of that before BGE, which is a beast of a read. If taken seriously, BGE is one of the deepest works in world history.
Thank you
I started with Zarathustra and I understood it better than you did after you read everything prior, because if you are going to understand him you will understand him from the jump.
I think a better option would be who to go for the translated books…
Language is a way of thinking.
Seasonal areas only have 1 word do ice- while Nordic places have like a dozen (maybe not them but the people who live on the ice caps do)
We also have the censoring- see Marcus’s meditations book and how whenever it mentions women in some new translations it censors it or leaves out half of a sentence.
“Straight not straightened”
Cut from
“It’s better to stand straight than be straightened.”
I started with exactly that 😂🤣 but i was very well read with various analysis of his works by the time i read it.
Then i read Beyond Good n Evil, then read On The Genealogy of Morality.
I have a decent grasp on the history of philosophy, and have read Antichrist, the Birth of Tragedy, and just finished Of First and Last Things in Human, All Too Human. I've also watched your videos on the Genealogy, Beyond Good and Evil, and Daybreak. Should I keep reading Human, All Too Human or read Kaufman's book? Thanks in advance 👍
If you’re doing fine, just keep reading I’d say. But Kaufmann’s book is still valuable
I started with thus spoke zarathustra and do NOT regret one bit of that decision 3 years ago, at the age of 20.
Holy shit!!!! I am 20 and I just bought the book today and I am on page 20.😭❤
The first one I read from start to finish was Twilight of the Idols. I think it was a good first one.
Thanks ❤
How to understand Nietzsche:
1- Don’t start with Thus Spoke Zarathustra.
2- Use the university method. Read the highest regarded “introduction to philosophy” textbook in your language.
3- Read secondary sources about Nietzsche. (Optional)
Recommendations:
- Walter Kauffman’s Nietzsche, Philosopher, Psychologist, Antichrist
- Michael Tanner’s Nietzsche: A Very Short Introduction
4- Read Nietzsche’s own works in recommended order.
The recommended order:
- On the Geneology of Morals
- Beyond Good and Evil
- The Twilight of the Idols
- The Antichrist
- The Joyful Science
- Thus Spoke Zarathustra
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Cheers, I can save this as a reference dor the future instead of searching for this video again. Thank you
thanks
Started with Will to Power and Twilight of the Idols but yes a strong understanding of philosophy is required
BGE before Zarathustra? Weird... I'd agree if we explain that these books must be read multiple times!
I started with thus spoke Zarathustra💀💀 realized my monkey brain isn't ready for it yet😓
I started with Thus Spoke Zarathustra😂
Everyone be like “don’t start with Zarathustra” after starting with Zarathustra hahaha
What if I want to read Antichrist first?
Don’t let me stop you
I'd say the Birth of Tragedy first. There Nietzsche lays his foundational principles of the Dionysian/Apollonian dichotomy that make up his whole philosophy. But with Nietzsche, honestly, the man is so inspiring and thought provoking, starting with any of his works will hook you into his philosophy until you've read them all. My approach: read someone on your own first. Come to your own opinions....THEN study academia criticism of them from others. 👍
You think so eh? I did read 'Birth' first and found it to be a bit of a philosophical dead end. He devotes a lot of ink to the Dionysian/Apollonian which, in my view, isn't really the key to his ideas. I would submit that in 'Genealogy' and of course, 'Will to Power' is where you find the essence of Nietzsche's thought.
I do agree with your approach of reading him first, before you have your ideas prejudiced by so-called academia.
Birth of tragedy is NOT the foundation of his whole philosophy, it was the ambitious work of a young man and he had mixed feelings about it later on as far as I can recall
With my Zarathustra
I have given mankind das greatest gift ever because I want you to become Superman.
Before reading Nietzsche should I read any other Philosophers first? I read a little bit from the Stoics(Marcus Aurelius, Seneca,Epictetus) but besides that nothing really.
p.s any audible audiobooks you guys recommend(preferrable in German ) Thx
Yes, you should. Espacially in his non-fictional books he will talk a lot about other philosophers like Descartes, Stoicism etc.
I didn't believe in reading secondary material first as knowledge of possible interpretations corrupts your ability to interpret for yourself, finish the book then read the secondary materials.
I started with "on truth and lie in a extra moral sense."
Definitely start with Zarathustra
Luckily I have read all these books, I recommended and I agree with the structure. I would add to that an early one to read is Nietzsche a graphic guide also, then The Portable Nietzsche and I thoroughly enjoyed Dawn of Day in between the above as an early view of his thoughts in the embryonic stages. I made the mistake of reading Thus Spoke Zarathustra first and that was a very tough task in my humble opinion, I am now working back through it and getting it bit by bit on my third reading.
The big man is still my favourite of the greats, a great starter pack above that I went from mid flow when I found it so thank you and this guide helped me greatly and once I found your initial reading list I completed it.
Kaufman is the ace in the pack and don’t forget his autobiography he really is wise, clever and writes such good books,
I have just read the Use and Abuse of History I recommend this also and Schopenhauer as Educator but the strict logic of uniqueness applies as in all his works and you must build your own path across the bridge to Nietzsche where does it lead? Don’t ask walk.
The above reading list was a great start for me and will take some time but worth the time in my opinion; it helped me understand greatly and I appreciate that so thank you for helping.
Penguin Reader on Nietzsche is a good starting point.
Step 1. BG&E hollingsdale Tanner.
The RUclips channels like yours are wave of fresh air in this crazy globalised capitalist world
I want to read his good and evil book. Why will I not understand it before all of this prep?
Because he references a lot of other philosophers constantly and without giving context himself. He assumes the reader is familiar with them
@@WeltgeistYT I see. Ok, thanks for the video.
I only have thus spake Zarathustra 😬
me too🙄😏
uh oh im already reading TSZ what do i do
Keep on reading homi
sameee
Me too.
tell me where to start please 😭 i have NO idea about anythin of his time, whatever he writes about Christians and everything. Someone tell me where should i start ??? i wanna read his work so bad.😭
If you fail to understand what he reads about christians, why don't you read the bible or other christian texts?
Hah I want to start with Thus Spoke Zarathustra anyways lol
I know I won't really understand it well or at all but I just want to see it plain and straight anyways to create my own perspective before I learn more.
Step 1 reading thus spake zarathustra : Don't
Screwed up step 1.
Many people are saying this, should I start with Genealogy of morals?
I just bought thus spoke
Good luck!
Ha I started with Zarathustra
I highly disagree, I think Thus Spoke Zarathustra is an exellent starting point. It was so easy to understand, that I understood most of it when I was a kid
If you don't listen to that advise of not reading thus spoke zarathustra, get ready to he in some existential crisis
i started with thus spoke Zarathustra and i read it in my second language 🤦♂️
i bought beyond good and evil today. didnt even look it up. thanks google.
The Gay Science directly is not that complex. In it Nietzsche actually criticizes philosofers that explain simple thoughts with complex lines and praises those who express complex thoughts in simple lines. Zarathustra is the former. But he also said that sometimes philosophers don't want to be understood by many
I read Beyond Good and Evil first.
Heidegger > Kaufman
I think I just failed the first step
I thought it was called the gay science....gay.
😮❤
All you need to know, he pretended to be insane. Lol
Walter Kaufmann is the worst translator of Nietzsche. He makes Nietzsche as boring as he can.
Grad noch davon gekommen...
This advice comes from a compromised mind.
“Read other people to tell you how to think about what another person wrote before you develop your own ideas.”
This is why the university system is broken.
Pass.
Dont do any of that lol
Harvard
How can you recommend the "very short introduction" on Nietzsche, it is awful
Everything I hear is only an opinion-
Not de fact.
Everything I see is only a perspective-
Not das truth.
Das truth is there is no such thing as discrimination because we are 1!
What’s awful about it?
@@WeltgeistYTlet me start by saying I highly esteem this channel, and therefore superised you recommend it. I don't have it about me to give a serious answer, however I found that it was highly opinionated and felt as if the author wanted to impart his personal, very partial interpretation of Nietzsche's work. More importantly, it was not very introductory, and assumed that the reader was already familiar with Nietzsche's philosophy. It felt more like an analysis than an introduction, aimed at Nietzsche scholars, not a novice reader of him. That's my two cents anyhow.
i found it to be a good introduction. It is opinionated as it comes from a modern liberal commentator. however, it was helpful in setting a framework to see the string throughout all his works that connect them in some way or another. he is a writer that often does not feel like he is having a continuing conversation, but from this very short book (106 pages), i saw the kernels of thought that continue through his work. more so, you see the beginning signs of resignation he displays after TSZ, which is very sad but understandable.
.. or.. as Terrence McKenna suggested, simply learn how to tell shit from Shinola..
Too late
WTF no, have a bunch of people prime you for what to think? Ew, generate your own original thought, then read secondaries and form arguments for and against each and see where you are wrong and learn how to think.
Step 5: Realize that he suffered psychosis and died being completely insane.
Which is not a smart rumor to believe
Do you even know what psychosis is?
@@PsychedelicAnxiety you wanna act smart with your very very low iq? pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18575181/
Step 1 learn German
Disagree
Stop making the same videos over and over lmao