Elden Ring - Getting answers six years later
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2022
- Elden Ring certainly made good use of all the scraps it could take from the previous games.
Here's a link to the unused OST referenced in the video: • Video
Song used: Twilight Realm - The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess OST 
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Another interesting detail conveying the intention for Rosaria to have been a boss fight is her character ID, c5210. Characters are often "grouped" together by their IDs, with From Software reserving certain ID ranges for certain types of NPCs. Going back at least as far as Demon's Souls, the 5000 range of IDs has historically been where they put the bosses. Out of every NPC in the 5000 range in Dark Souls III, only two aren't bosses, the Fire Witch and Rosaria. I made a previous video covering how the Fire Witch was likely designed as a boss that was later replaced by Pontiff and now we can see Rosaria's in a similar position.
Could Rosaria’s fight have been cut because it was similar to the Deacons of the Deep mechanic wise?
@@aswifte5743 thats a good idea, wouldve made sense if thats why
The ID for the Deacons comes after Rosaria, so I wouldn't be surprised if Rosaria's fight was concepted first and they weren't happy with the execution, so they created the Deacons to sort of salvage some of the ideas. Rennala's version of the fight is quite a strange one, so it makes sense they may have had a hard time getting it right for Rosaria.
@@ZullietheWitch That may also explain some of the weirdness of the Deacons dropping the Doll. It would make more sense for someone like Rosaria to have an object like that, at least to me. The Small Doll's description felt off to me, since Pontiff doesn't seem the type to give anyone anything without some kind of ulterior motive or the enslavement of the person.
@@aswifte5743 This feels like a very chicken and the egg debate; maybe there's a timeline where Zullie is doing a video on "Hey, you know that priest that's randomly at the end of the Cathedral of the Deep? There's evidence to suggest that he was a boss at one point in development..."
Of course both if them are barefoot too, truly showcasing Miyazaki's vision
both of*
@@Knight_Of_Eleum_Loyce It's obviously a typo dude.
@@godefroiddebouillon7769 Yes? That's why they corrected it?
@@elias.t Correcting a typo is pointless.
Correcting someone is informing them they're doing a mistake, ensuring they won't do it again. A typo is just bad luck, you won't teach anything to someone by noticing them they did a typo.
I wonder how Rennala's foot size compared with Lady Dimitrescu. We know the later is 17.3 in long. Rennala is pretty big
The fact that the scholars respawn by falling from the cribs somehow makes that fight even more creepy.
IDK ... the falling children struck me a pretty funny. I was like "what is going on, and why is it raining people?
IT'S RAINING MEN
@@synthwav3413 HALLELUYA
@@synthwav3413 That's what I say every time those mud guys fall in the gorge in Mt. Gelmir lol
@@jonalen4217 im pretty damn sure one landed on me during the fight tbh lmfao
It's also worth noting that the Deacons of the deep (the bossfight of the area Rosaria is in) share the same "hot potato" mechanic with Rennala's first phase: only one of them must be hit to go on.
Why is this worth noting lmao ?
It's a gimmick fight very simillar to deacons of the deep. Kinda makes sense if they wanted Rosaria in there then did it with Rennala
@@fredericoalves93 Because it implies maybe Rosaria's fight was going to be like that but got shifted to Deacons.
@@herb9838 Rosaria’s bossfight was originally like spears of the church.
@@waltersullivan2727 source?
Love the twilight princess music for this, fits perfectly
I actually had quite a hard time picking a track for this video. I put together all the footage and the script without a song in mind and had to pick a song to go over it after the fact, so I tested out several different tracks for over an hour out to see what fit before finally landing on Twilight Realm.
@@ZullietheWitch like I said, perfect choice for this video! Keep up the great work Zulie, always exciting seeing a new post from you 🥰🤙🏼
@@ZullietheWitch One of the instruments even sounds like a music box, really perfect for this video about the weird babies of all time.
It's amazing how Zelda music is varied enough that you can find a track for any video, no matter the content.
@@ZullietheWitch for a second there I thought you were using a The Legend of Dragoon theme
If those girls from Rennala's fight were more present in Raya Lucaria, and they acted like the slugs from DS3, that would be way more terrifying than a couple of stone masks with tiny shields
I'm picturing mimic tears falling from the ceiling and morphing into these girls. Then they start singing. Some of them crawl aggressively like the meatballs and do the same grab attack, while others form mimic spears.
I blame you for this. Have an updoot.
@@kaipakta817
Man, I already get freaked out by the crazy Albinaurics, I don't need this.
The only problem is it would've been too reminiscent of the slug scholars from Bloodborne
Tf you mean? The first time I heard them sing I shat my pants.
Some of those Raya Lucaria sorcerers can oneshot you with shotgun spells to be honest.
Another thing is that Rosaria has a soul item. You get it from Leohard's questline. Other than the demon under the catacombs, she's the only non-boss to have a boss soul, and the only non-enemy to have one (if I recall correctly).
I think the stray demon in DS3 has a soul without being a boss (doesn’t have a boss bar iirc)
@@barkerbrossman7696 I think that's the demon I was referring to.
@@Meanlucario There's the Demon on the way to the Smoldering Lake, and then there's the Stray Demon in Farron Keep which looks like the one from DS1. Both have souls.
@@TheMirksta Oh yeah, I remember now. My mistake.
yeah, she's the only non-enemy to have a soul.
One thing I really appreciated in Elden Ring is that they took a step back from how grotesque and grayed out everything in DS3 felt. It made a lot of sense for things to be that way in the decaying, near burnt out world of DS3, and I'm glad that's all it was. It wasn't a sign of their visual design for Soulsborne games going forward.
Dunno about it....Miyazaki was never the same after Bloodborne. The disturbing and eldritch touch never went away and is very strong in Elden Ring too.
I think the same. On the other hand Elden Ring has more beautiful scenarios, only stained by the remains of past battles.
@@SIGNOR-G They even have a formless outer god related to blood incantations. No way that isn't some sort of reference.
I feels it, every time I load up ds3 I wish I wasnt looking at mud. I get thematically and lore wise it makes sense but It's still just not visually appealing to me. The gameplay is def the best out of the 3 so it evens out.
@@SIGNOR-G Tbf, Dark Souls 1 also has a great amount of dark and disturbing enemies and design elements. It's actually been part of Miyazaki's design aesthetic since Demon's Souls.
Ima be honest, I always though Rosaria had slug legs with a human Torso, I didn't realise she's embracing one of the mangrubs.
Would make sense if Rennala was originally just Phase 2 but they realised that an unused concept for a Rosaria fight would fit nicely.
I don't know if that necessarily make more sense than them originally wanting to reuse the Rosaria concept (reminder that even that is speculation), then building the phase 2 after that to fit the story. After all, at a meta level they needed a rebirth mechanic to allow players to respec. That may have been more top of mind than the Rennala phase 2 fight, which itself is kinda a reuse of Vacuous Rom's boss arena.
Plus, phase 1 and the amber egg rebirthing does fit majorly into the story, so I don't think it was just to reuse a past concept.
Side note and SPOILERS: I suspect that the amber egg is a hint about how and why Radagon is Marika. Was she able to use the egg to create a copy of herself? Was it imperfect? I'd actually love to hear alternative or debunking theories to that. I haven't looked into why Radagon would be Marika. I would much rather look more into he game or have discussions online about it, instead of just looking up theories 🙂
Same
She's embracing it?
Same with me, I too thought Rosaria was half-grub.
Rosaria’s bossfight was originally like spears of the church.
Rosaria being an unused boss might also explain that mysterious treasure chest that Limit Breakers found under her bed all those years ago.
Especially since her bedchamber is separated from the ‘arena’ by that fence/cage. Would have been a nice area for a bonfire and post-boss loot
I always thought Rosaria was meant to have a boss fight. Itrs a mix of her motif, the connections to a questline and her location in the map. When you come across her it feels like a pretty great time for a boss fight and I always thought it was odd that there wasnt one
That's pretty much Dark Souls 3 in a nutshell, a game that was great in concept but only a third finished and chock full of developmental dead ends and unsatisfying filler
@@realkraid yup..but then again.. more boss fights, more quests and stuff to go alongside, then you need more locations because boss fights cant be right on top of one another. And in the end they would have a lot longer development time and would basically need to make Elden Ring.
Imho, it is possible that allready at that point they decided to put all those ideas properly into a brand new game instead of shoving them into DS3 so they left that dead ends not to spend too much time on DS3 development knowing they will redo some of those ideas properly.
@@realkraid still sad about ds1's unfinished lost izalith
@@realkraid And yet it's the best Souls game. Cope and seethe.
And also you could get her soul, complete with a unique picture.
Another DS3 character that I see having some connection with Rennala, is Filianore. There’s the obvious connection with both of them caring for an egg and with the "don’t disturb their slumber" that we hear from the other characters associated with them, but both of them also share similar resting poses and physical features with one another. I of course do not know all of the details behind their development, but these similarities to both Rosaria and Filianore are something that I really jump out to me.
This would ring to me closer to them being inspired off the same character. I cant remember off the top of my head but I think Filianore was based of an anime movie with a very similar character
@@jerichotroy2662 The name of the anime is "Angel's Egg" IIRC.
@@franciscodetonne4797 yes! Thank you
Thanks for letting me know, I had no idea😊
The concept of failed ascension/transformation/transcendence via unnatural means is a very common theme throughout the Souls games if you look for it. Seathe and his crystal experimentations, the various dragon cults throughout DS1-3, Rosaria's mangrubs, Renalla's sweetings/Boc, and practically the entire lore and basis of Bloodborne. The idea of failed metamorphoses seems like something Miyazaki is big about.
NOT SOULS GAMES. FROMSOFT IN GENERAL EVEN THE GAMES THAT PREDATE SOULS.
ETERNAL RING HAS EVERY MONSTER YOU FIGHT BE FORMERLY HUMAN EVEN THE DRAGONS.
I wonder if there’s any hidden data that could tie Malenia to Sekiro. A lot of her moves seem straight out of Sekiro, like her kick which has the same visual effect as Senpou Monks
Maybe she was supposed to be that girl that was mentioned many time in the game. Forgot her name but she gave the feeling that she would have been a dlc boss.
@@SIGNOR-G Tomoe? Maybe but I thought lightning attacks were gonna be her specialty if anything
@@SIGNOR-G Lady Tomoe
Dont forget the flurry rush that literally looks almost the same as cloud swiftly katana movement technique or whatever its called from sekiro
YES LADY TOMOE.
I bet she was supposed to be the DLC super hard boss. Ironically she would be much easier with the Sekiro block and posture system. The whole Elden Ring would grestly benefit from it.
This is always one of my favorite things that Fromsoft does. They’re always revisiting old concepts that may have been scrapped or otherwise underdeveloped in previous games. No good idea is left untouched, and eventually each of their ideas gets polished up and used, even if it’s years and several games later.
Some people are always quick to criticize Fromsoft for “”lazily reusing content””, but their propensity to never let a good idea or perfectly useable asset die has always proved to be one of their greatest strengths.
Some Rosaria shuffling might also explain the unused chest hidden under her bed, and damn that doorway makes a super cool boss fog wall, I'm almost sad we didn't get to have it.
Rosaria's room is not one I would like to fight in. And her fight would have a lot of the grubs. Overall, Rennala's battle works for me despite the ads because the presentation is amazing. I do not want to think about the horror Rosaria's fight would have been (in many ways)
It fees like From really scraped together all the partially completed concepts/code/animations etc. from old game so they would have enough content to make the Elden RIng's scale just absolutely massive. Has me super excited for what they do next, it'll probably be a new era of ideas!
How they created like over a hundred unique mobs and little areas to explore is still beyond me, I salute from software devs for their 25 hour workdays!
@@littlespoon7942 I think it was, sadly, discovered that there was in fact a lot of harmful crunching going on. This is already happening a lot in Japanese work culture probably, so it might have been even worse than usual. And it was also pretty clear that the game released too early, as well, even after being pushed back a little already.
And of course many people still complain about too much reuse of enemies, bosses and some assets (most notably the catacombs and part of the caves). (Even though all big open world games have shit tons of reuse, and many have way less unique stuff than Elden Ring...)
But yeah, still, it's insane how big the game is and how much stuff is in there, even with all the reuse.
@@Blacklands additionally and unfortunately, a friend showed me a report from writer Justin Reeve about FromSoftware and their employee satisfaction. The average annual income is only $29k... That's insane. It broke my heart to learn that. I thought better of From Soft. Especially because they make absolute bank with their games AND they don't have that many employees. I hope things change with the massive success of Elden Ring; its sales dwarfs even their previous, recent titles.
Here's the excerpt from the report, titled "FromSoftware Employees Report Poor Pay And Working Conditions":
"FromSoftware currently has a rating of 2.6 out of 5.0 stars on Career Connection. Employees rated the company 2.2 for job satisfaction, 4.2 for workplace intensity, 2.6 for stress management, and 1.9 for compensation. The average annual income is only ¥3.4 million which comes to about $29,000. The company happens to be based in city which is famous for its high cost of living, Tokyo."
“Okay let’s slap in our cut games”
- mech, dark souls, post destroy world with waifus and anime stuff while keeping something akin to gods, Grays anatomy, mythology, alchemy and so on as notes.
“What am I looking at?”
- a person who lacks eyes
@@GuitarGuise Apparently Miyazaki has just defended himself against some of these accusations in a new interview (4Gamer), but I could only find a machine-translated version of it. It seems he claims that he doesn't force his own work ethic on his employees, and that they've also recently raised wages and handed out bonuses due to Elden Ring's success. They also want to expand further (hire more people), it seems.
I don't know how convincing this is, not really very much - he basically deflects any blame and the interviewer doesn't push him at all (I guess this might be "inappropriate" in Japanese culture?). I'd love to have someone do an independent investigation on this...
Babe wake up, Zullie the Witch just dropped a new video !!!!
Oh hell yeah lemme grab the spicy nacho Doritos
Rennala being cut content would be very understandable. From Soft likes to designate one witch per game when possible in order to maintain balance, further proven by the removal of the Fire Witch in DSIII when Karla already exists. It makes sense why Zullie would feel so strongly about the situation, and it's symbolic in a way that a witch is the one to leap across games and disrupt order by revealing the unspoken rules of From Software.
Fire Witch was probably removed to make space for Sullyvahn when they split his original role into 2 different characters. I doubt it has anything to do with not wanting several witches in one game. DeS had Yuria and Fool's Idol, DS1 had Izalith, her daughters and Beatrice, and DS3 still has Karla and Kriemhild.
Plus, the Fire Witch still exists as a mob, and doesn't look anything like the witch archetype aside from the name.
And elden ring has more then one witch , ranni, rennala and sellen.
@@ShadenDays Sellen is a Scholar first, witch second. Ranni is a Princess first, witch second. Rennala is a Demigod (/runeholder) first, witch second.
The only real witch in Elden Ring would be Rannis teacher, which is like an actual witch and original holder of the darkmoon / dark sorceries. If we go by looks, yeah sure all of the female mages are witches.
Rosaria was a pvp boss they aren’t the same.
I remember hearing a while back that Rosaria's area has an invasion trigger in it as well, which is weird considering you can't invade in that room and no other boss room is invadable. It was speculated that the mostly useless Rosaria's Fingers covenant was originally going to be a summon boss covenant, which would use that invasion trigger area. Perhaps the concept was a player boss who was assisted by Rosaria during the fight, but due to the complexity of such an idea it got chopped up into bits and redistributed, with the player boss being used in the Ringed City and the concept of what Rosaria would do being used in Elden Ring.
zullie never disaapoints ❤
I NEVER put this together, yet Rennala always felt hauntingly familiar to me, comforting in a way. Thank you!
Another thing you did not mention is that the boss we actually got for this area is just a group of regular enemies. That feels like something they would do to cobble together a boss fight last minute because the original idea was scrapped.
Some bosses can be more like a puzzle, and there is nothing wrong with that. It seems very intentional. You also fight her after that, so there is more to it.
Honestly I like the Deacons of the Deep boss, great atmosphere with a killer soundtrack, great visuals and a fun fight (grab a big sweeping weapon and just go ham, hell the Lucerne is a good choice). It's not a super challenging boss, but it's just a good time.
@@Tasorius I think they were referring to the Deacons fight
@@chrismanuel9768 I somehow mixed up the threads...
@@Tasorius Irony
Love how you fight epic battles against tragic legend General Radahn, last standing giant, three Elden Lords, vessel of Death Rune, two Omen lords, undefeated champion of Miquella, and literally God... then a heartbroken miIf in seclusion.
Biggest revelation of the video was that Renalla floats around in a tiny crib for the first phase
I’m glad that it got cut from Dark Souls 3. The fight has a lot more gravity to it with Rennala than it would have with Slug Lady.
Or less gravity...
I think it could be possible that not only Rennala and Rosaria have ties, but possibly Rosaria and Fia. We come across an npc invader in DS3 (Heysel) a handful of times and eventually find their weapon and headgear on a mangrub corpse just in front of Rosaria.
Perhaps "Fia's Champions" are a continuation of something that would have been "Rosaria's Champions" where we might fight Heysel, Kirk. An idea that also translates to the Church of Fillianore and her guardians.
In caelid there are massive skeletons jutting out of the ground. Think that might be interesting to look into
And in classic Miyazaki fasion, Rennala is also barefoot.
Elden Ring has a thing for using cut content from other games, huh. I wonder what kind of cut contents from ER will end up being used in another Fromsoft game...
The whole game is a cut content of ds3
No matter your stance on reused content: better cut content that was on ice than the reused type.
(Unless the devs really can't get something to work. They probably overhaul content in that case)
@@skyluke6490 You are wrong. Demon's Souls was originally meant to be an open world King's Field RPG, but they couldn't get anything to work and turned it into Demon's Souls. Bloodborne has a cut enemy that was supposed to ride a horse. Elden Ring is basically stuff they tried to do in previous games but couldn't, not just DS3.
It's just a thing From do a lot in general, reshaping cut content and reusing old assets. Makes sense to me and rarely detracts from the experience imo.
I absolutely love these videos where you explore how missed opportunities or shelved concepts from the old games get reborn (pun intended) in Elden Ring. It feels so much like completing some kind of circle
Im amazed how you continually find such interesting details and concepts to discuss in your videos. Keep up the great work!
If rosaria had a boss fight, I suspect it might have functioned like the boss where players get summoned to fight players. Since the room is too small to be of a real functioning boss arena. The player would have to fight an invading boss player + the mangrubs that fall from the cribs.
Since boss rosaria was scrapped or since they wanted to move the player boss fight later into the game, they put it in the ring city DLC marking the end of rosaria boss fight. Later the concept to be used in elden ring
This is correct it was like the spears.
I love how much Elden Ring has enabled From to reuse a lot of ideas they didn't get to use in their older games
Thank you so much for these videos, they make me so happy and really get me thinking about what could have been in my favorite games of all time.
I really appreciate your work. All of your videos are always so interesting and insightful. I always end the video thinking I've learned something new about the game that I would have never otherwise thought of or even looked at. Keep up the great content. Cheers!
Somewhat unrelated fact: Aldritch tried to get at (and probably kill/absorb) Rosaria when he was awakened as a lord of cinder. If you look at the entrance to Rosaria's area the metal gates have been forced apart and the whole area is covered with the same sort of sludge found later near Aldritch's boss room. I haven't found an explanation as to why he wasn't able to get through the doors but its an interesting bit of visual lore.
Probably he let her live on purpose, I mean, she is the MOTHER of rebirt, and the saint acquired a taste for god flesh.
Good observation, i think the answers are Rosarias fingers they could have been summoned to defend her, after all there are Slugs in front off her room they could have been the fingers that died and been reborn defending her
as always, Zullie, you're the greatest and we appreciate you!!
I love your channel so much, never stop
Another thing to note is that rosaria does indeed have a boss soul. Uniquely they only give 1 option bountiful sunlight gwynevere's incantation(or miracle help played too much of both brain wires crossed).
I didn't realise how much nostalgia I have for Twilight Princess till now... I only just realise that it was technically my first Zelda game.
I just wanted to shout you out for taking such a positive, informative approach to these matters!
It would be so easy to see all these things and call it something like "lazy reuse of assets" "wasted potential" "bad development practices" etc etc etc and so so so many other people would, I really wanted to thank you for being such a beacon of empathy and appreciation for the art of game development
I love hearing twilight princess ost in your videos. It’s always a nice bonus with the cool information you provide for all of us
Fascinating as always
great content
Rennala is probably my favorite fight in Elden Ring. It feels so much more creative & different than anything else in the game. It's like False Idol from Demon's Souls, with hints of Rom and Elana from DS2. And Ranni's cutscene is so cool.
It reminds me of the saying for dungeon masters in TTRPGs: even if your players bypass something you worked hard on, don't get upset nor tell them what was "supposed" to happen, just figure out where to work it into future encounters instead.
Brilliant. I love this channel!!
Man this channel is gold, really happy i subbed !
No wonder Rennala's kids are reborn in poor condition- the poor things shatter their legs when they fall three stories down from their suspended cribs. Someone call child services.
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Funny how both the Deacons and phase 1 Rennala are based around the same gimmick of a group boss fight. In the sense that you have a horde of similar enemies, in which you have to weed out the one that currently allows you to deal damage to the boss.
Given both Rosaria and the Deacons are in the same area perhaps they repurposed the group fight idea for the Deacons of The Deep.
Thank you for linking the unused OST
Your videos are just too damn good. This is awesome 🙌
Every time One of these videos come out i more amazed by how Elden Ring is (in short) the culmination of everything Fromsoftware has learned and tried the past games, going all the way back to demons souls. Yes, Elden Ring is flawled, but that makes it even more reassuring, what will we see in the next game? What kind of "mythos" will be left from this game for years until the next game makes a call back to it?
I do want an Armored core doe, i want to shoot my giant mechas.
How is Elden Ring flawed?
@@ianjonas5593 I assume they're talking about either the asset and enemy reuse, the balancing issues (especially endgame damage), the boss design (which some people don't like), the performance problems, or that they made co-op multiplayer and invasions even worse and also the netcode in general kinda (even) worse.
I personally think the reuse is mostly fine, maybe the game world could have been a _little_ smaller, and they probably shouldn't have reused Godrick and Astel. All big open world games reuse stuff, many have way, WAY less unique stuff than Elden Ring lol.
The balancing is definitely worse than it has ever been. It feels like the game got released too early and they couldn't do a final balancing pass, especially on the endgame stuff. There's also just so much broken equipment/magic in the game, this has always been a thing ofc but it's way worse than ever before afaik.
I also personally think the boss design is fine. Yes, even Malenia, except for Waterfowl Dance starting too quickly to have any chance to escape if you're using e.g. colossal weapons and you just did _any_ animation (but I did manage to beat her with the Guts sword, it just took even more tries lol).
The performance problems were indeed large, again it feels like they didn't have time left for more optimization, in the end. I think it's gotten better by now?
Multiplayer... I think they dropped the ball there. Also, I miss covenants, especially for invasions.
@@Blacklands There are still coming out balance patches, the game is still updated.
@@ianjonas5593 Blackhands said most of the issues i have with the game.
Dont get me wrong, i think it is a masterpiece and one of the best games ever made, but that dont means its perfect, just like DS1, flaws (at the end) feel like a torn on the side, annoying but not experience ruining.
My biggest issues are:
-Enemy dmg: how in Gwyn name i have 99 VIT and a heavy armor + more vit from stuff yet i get 2 shoted by some random enemy past the mid game? I feel like since they gave so much tools to the player they just took the DMG from all enemies and made it x8 times what it was, i get that its a dark souls and "git gud" and all that, but at times it feels cheap
-Lack of armors:
theres a REALLY lack of armors in the game, specially until midgame. this is purely personal tho
-Balance: I dont like the pvp of souls, i hate tryhards and gankers, i personally do not like katanas, but every single DS (but 3) is a katana spam fest, DEX weapons in general ALWAYS had been problematic, but in this one is even more insane, i do not play pvp but still, kinda crazy.
At least they dont rail road you into pvp if you want to get the game to the 100% (or farm 40 hours for pact items)
-I did not had too much issues with FPS and performance, but that means nothing with my Rig (3070 RTX, I7 8700K) but IT MUST have been an issue since both capcom and From patched things quite fast.
@@rafsandomierz5313 I know! _I'm_ not criticizing the game, I think all of those issues (apart from performance and multiplayer stuff) are fairly minor - but there's quite a number of people for whom they're a bigger deal.
I hope they keep patching balancing stuff, there's a lot more to do. Also, some NPC questlines still feel incomplete imo, I hope they add some more to some of those as well like they already did.
I find it likely that, between Aldrich once being in the cathedral, and this boss script, it’s likely that the Deacons were a re-tooling of this initial concept.
As for Rennala, I do think she’s the best “group boss” Fromsoft has made thus far.
There’s nothing actually suggesting Aldrich was a part of the deacons fight. Only thing was that QA leak that got proven false. The only thing we actually know is that the deacons fight had grubs at some point.
I don't know, that first phase is just annoying, when I fight her, I just wish to get it done fast to go to the actual fight.
Love all the Zelda music you use in the background 👍
thank you for these amazing videos
My theory is that the fight either became the Deacons or it was cut because it was too similar and too close to the Deacons
Probably they descarted Rosaria and gave that concept to the deacons, since they are more connected to Aldrich.
Based on how Fromsoft has used assets in the past I wouldn't be surprised to find out a huge portion of Elden Ring was cut or unfinished content from previous games. I'm still under the impression that Malenia is what they had planned for a Lady Tomoe fight in Sekiro but they just changed all the lightning aspects to the Rot theme for Malenia. So many of her attacks strike me as Sekiro moves she's got big sweeps, lots of flurries, a grab attack and of course the lunging thrust which I want to Mikiri counter everytime she does it.
Thank you for adding the OST link in the description. DS3 has one of my favourite FromSoft soundtracks, and it's great to hear a "new" song from it.
Can you post the track that was "unused audio file" for her bossfight?
I included it in the description:
ruclips.net/video/B92Whfixuog/видео.html
Both women and barefoot, the epitome of Miyazaki’s genius
Your videos are unique and so good every time
Watching this while going to bed and the spooky music got me really spooked, dunno if Ill sleep tonight :(
Zullie the Witch is 🆒
yeah this also further clarifies that Elden ring is basically the accumulation of past games cut content.
That's true of a lot of their games and reusing assets, designs, unused ideas, etc. The game is more than an accumulation of those common features. That doesn't mean the game is "basically" cut content lol. It's a rich story, world, and plenty unique. It looks more like reused assets and an idea for a boss fights rather than fully taking the idea.
Yes and no. Elden Ring does enough to feel different from Souls and there’s a lot of new enemies that feel distinct. It does share a ton of DNA with Souls though so many things will still feel familiar in some way.
that was very interesting, i love how fromsoft didnt really put to waste some of the concepts, instead, they use it on other title, like your vid about the farron wolf, and the red wolf of radagon.
This channel never fails to force me to make that involuntary noise of surprised knowledge acquisition
I would have loved to see a Rosaria boss fight in DS3. From what you showed us, it might be a Bed of Chaos situation, where we need to possibly complete a "puzzle" before attacking the boss, or fighting through hordes of the abominations falling from the hanging cribs.
New zullie video let's goooo
I love watching the lore and possible nods between FromSoftware's games. It's cool to see these short and sweet videos bringing it all to light.
On a side note, love the Legend of Zelda soundtracks used in the videos
Seriously how do you pick such perfectly fit music for your episodes, magnificent episode Zullie, keep it up!
One of the things I find super interesting, that I didn't realize until I saw the contrasting models, is that many of the women in Dark Souls are sexualized but in a bizarre/perverse setting (not unlike Catholicism).
In this example: Rosaria is wearing thin silk, she is in a bed chamber, she beckons the player with her hand, she is gorgeous but we are not able to see her eyes---and then she's holding, and surrounded by, these gross looking pustule creatures. Rennala is wearing a thick gown, she is in a library, she repels the player with her hands on her egg, she is "plain" but we are able to observe her entire face, and she is surrounded by relatively "normal" looking humanoids. I always thought the women of Dark Souls were stylized to be beautiful to be looked at, but now I see the difference in Elden Ring with how women are portrayed, and am now thinking that the women of Dark Souls are beautiful for the same reason the game is dreary and nightmarish.
What do you mean "not unlike Catholicism" ?
The more time passes, the more it starts to feel like Elden Ring really was the amalgamation of all prior From games. I hope this means that after this they're ready to depart from the medieval/fantasy genre and return to sci fi/mecha again.
Hey Zullie! For a video, you could look into the flame peak in the mountaintops, the forge, as it seems as there are corpses piled up down there. Great video btw!
Love the atmosphere 😮
Man, these retrospectives make the prior games feel incredibly incomplete and fragmented. It’ll be a shame when the next game does that to Elden Ring.
I think Elden Ring is slightly better off, just for the structure the game has from all the preplanned lore. Dark Souls II and III feel like they went through a blender sometimes, with major bosses getting shuffled around, but it'd be pretty difficult to imagine finding out, for instance, Radahn was supposed to be fought in Rennala's spot instead.
It would explain why she’s one of the better boss fights lmao
People are too harsh on the bosses of this game.
Margit, Godrick, Rennala, Radahn, Rykard, Morgott, Mohg, Loretta, Godskin Apostle, Malenia, Maliketh, Ancestor Spirit and Radagon are all pretty damn good. Fire Giant, Astel, Alecto... Are also not bad at all.
To be fair a LOT of the bosses in ER would be considered a masterpiece if they were in like Demon's Souls, DS1 or DS2. Like Fallingstar Beast
@@igornaimoli7321 You think Astel and Fire Giant are fun and well designed? Is Elden Ring your first fromsoft game? Also no shit these fights would be good if they were in DS1 or Demon Souls, those games are old and have shit mechanics compared to new games, and it says a lot that these bosses would only be “masterpieces” if they were old.
@@igornaimoli7321 Also Malekith and Malenia? Dude it’s like you’re just listing the bosses with your favorite artistic and design aspects, these fights are dogshit mechanically. Ds3 was a MUCH more fun, fair, and engaging game when it came to boss fights. Dragonslayer armor, demon prince, Gael, the twin princes, champion gundyr, sister friede, vordt, i mean dude like nearly every boss in that game was fun because they didn’t rely on bullshit and AOE
@@igornaimoli7321 I feel like bosses are supposed to be fun first. I had so much fun fighting pretty much every boss.
@@mikal9904 I've beaten every boss in every souls game (also you damn donkey I have Bloodborne's Red Moon as profile picture, if you actually knew souls games you wouldn't have asked that question).
I am NO speedrunner and I never try to really memorise every fight perfectly, and STILL I managed to no hit ALMOST every fight in the game.
I really don't get what's wrong about Astel or Maliketh to be fair, but anyway I DIDN'T say all of the fights I've listed are perfect. I just didn't. Malenia certainly has a few flaws. But all of those are still great fights.
Edit: you know Maliketh's fights so well that you don't even know how it's written
twilight realm music creeped me out in 2006 and it still creeps me out now. great video
Good catch, thanks!
When I first found you I thought it was annoying there was no narration but the more I've watched more I understand and love how you produce your videos. Great work as always 👏
Having no narration is such a relief.
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These videos feel like detective dramas and maybe that’s what make these so interesting.
I actually really like Rennala, she might be crazy but she really cares about these things she continually ressurects, and her dialogue trying to convince you to become reborn is also really sweet
That fog wall being there just for invasions interests me and always has. Because the only other places that fog walls show up are boss rooms, whether the boss is active or not, and other transition areas such as the road of sacrifices or distant manor in irithyll
I like how From revisits so many similar themes but makes them distinct enough that you don't notice the similarities immediately
No wonder Renalla’s rebirth children are short lived. They fell from high place right after they reborn.
its crazy how many of these early concepts are being found in ER. Makes me wonder how much influence these unused stuff from older games had on this games lore
i noticed the cribs in Rosaria's room, and always wondered why they were there. Thanks Zullie!
This makes so much sense!
Loving the Twilight Princess music, as usual. :)
Huh... I never realized that slug was something Rosaria was coddling. I think I always just assumed it was the lower half of her body in place of legs.
I like how creatively frugal From can be with its assets. They pull it off much better then most devs
Love the kind of associations in these videos. It's kind of embarrassing to speculate on how intentional a lot of it is, but FROM's games seem to have an very identifiable philosophical approach to iterating on games. The worlds, the characters, the games, the overlapping designs and mechanics; all have this kind of convoluted (and I mean that positively) feel that just really resonates with the philosophical elements of the game.
It's almost hard not to just see it in everything in the games, and it feels like in Elden Ring you can practically feel it in it's bones. The open world areas and how they flow, how their position is characterized laying the elden ring over it. The way something like base damage vs scaling has a character.
What a series. And your content feels like something that really lets me enjoy that.
Music is always on point 👌
Fascinating stuff.
Considering the "arena" itself could be described as quite small and awkward for a major boss... It's possible it was intended for Yellowfinger Heysel, or Longfinger Kirk, or even both to be Phase 1 - Being summoned to protect their Mother of Rebirth.
Then upon the defeat of her "children", she could possibly have warped the arena to be more fitting of a boss-fight, and become the boss herself, just like Rennala.
Maybe the problem was finding a way to contextualise such a transition within who they intended Rosaria to be. Her in-game role was to act as an NPC to respec builds - So killing her wouldn't make sense.
They clearly found a work-around for that issue in Elden Ring with Rennala, but at the very least, it's interesting to see the amount of overlap between Rosaria and Rennala, and how each of them turned out in their respective games.
I like your use of Twilight Princess and its themes of reflection as twilight is usually associated with to reflect on cut content ❤️
i like that u use different music in each vidoe, or at least mix it up often enough to keep it interesting. its very thorough of u
I don't know if it matters much, but the fact you can also get Rosaria's soul, and it can be transposed into a boss miracle also lends to the fact it was likely planned as a boss fight. I love all these subtle connection videos, please keep them coming!
Now I wanna replay twilight princess... thanks Zullie!!
Damn, can't wait to see how much unused content is in Eruden Ringu