10 DLC Lore Discoveries That Change Everything (Shadow of the Erdtree) | Elden Ring
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- Опубликовано: 27 июн 2024
- The Lore of Elden Ring has had huge changes with the release of the DLC: The Shadow of the Erdtree! It will take effort, time, and lots of lore hunters to piece it all together. So, to start we thought we'd go over some of the new revelations that stand out to us as the most important! This is just the beginning, so let us know any cool things you've found during your journey through the Lands of Shadow!
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What were your favourite lore moments in your journey through the Lands of Shadow?
finding the shaman village and seeing it’s where Marika grew up was awesome
The abyssal woods and Bayles lore from the dragon Lady.
Finding out who done messed up Placidusax scratched an itch for me
After helping Count Ymir (who is *obviously* not up to anything good), the reveal of the mother of fingers and the boss fight, crazy, cool, and creepy design.
Everything that Ansbach discovered.
Miquella IS dead. He is not a spirit like Serosh. We kill his body and soul when we kill Radhan.
Thats why the remembrance is "Remembrance of a lord and a god". He is able to be killed because he stripped himself of his immortal flesh to become a new god. Also his death is confirmed by St Trina.
Why does him stripping himself of his flesh make him able to be killed? He still has flesh when we fight him, somehow regenerated. St. Trina doesn't confirm anything. Just tells us to kill him
So she has more dialogue after we defeat him ?
The ending was incredibly vague even by fromsoft standards.
You know how pieces of souless Godwyn became deathroot, what if pieces of souless Miquella become minor Haligtrees 🤔
@@danialyousaf6456No more dialogue options, we find St. Trina dead (head fallen to the ground) after defeating Miquella
@@anonomit8229data mining shows that she HAD another cutscene post Miquella, sadly it is cut content.
Among the ruins of Unte you can actually find an unlit furnace golem and have a good view perched from above. Inside is a whole drake.
You can light it with a big fire pot if you didn't know.
@@L_Zantthats one of the few puzzles I solved on my own and felt so smart afterwards lol
There are also 2 secret swords that can come from this location depending on if you have found the other places to activate it
You can also jump through the crack on the other side with Torrent!
@@L_Zantfor real?! That's dope
Miquella abandoned his “hesitation” and his “love” at crosses. Of course he’s not so dedicated to compassion anymore.
I assumed he abandoned his hesitation so th at he had the strength t o abandon his love, being st. trina. his love not meaning his ability to love but who he loved
@@bobertastic6541I don't know, there's a spirit nearby that says something like he divested himself of something he never should've cast away, so I think that might imply that he did actually get rid of his ability to love
Due to datamining we know that Miquella's flashback model as a child has gold eyes of the golden order where his spectral god / adult form has gray eyes because he's cut himself off from 'gold'
Imagine if radahn has a third phase where he just rips Miquella in half and combines gravity magic and blood flame fully
R: “Miquella, y’know what Godfrey did when he was losing?”
M: “Uh, I’m not particularly familiar-”
R: *Rips Miquella off his shoulders and slams him into the Spanish announcer table. The crowd goes wild, the Tarnished is spamming crouch, and Miquella is unconscious at the feet of the Spanish announcers looking like he regrets his choice of consort.*
I'd unironically love that. Radahn getting to fight as a man rather than his brother's puppet.
Or just "Nihil!!!"
I wish. Unfortunately Miquella's plan had finally made radahn his puppet that he wouldn't let go
That would've been incredible lol
Manus -> Latin for hand
Metyr -> Meter -> Latin for mother
Metyr = Manus Metyr = Mother Hand
"Mater" is Latin for mother, not "Meter". Meter is originally from a Greek word meaning "measure".
I wonder what manus cellus means then (the last area you find ranni in for her quest where she kills her two fingers)
@@thekeeper1287 It's Manus celes, "celes" is the medieval form of "caeles". So it means "celestial hand"
@@falgalhutkinsmarzcal3962"Meter" = "Μήτηρ" is an ancient greek word meaning "Mother".
@@jacquelineess1141 Are ή and η translated both into "e"? Google says ή should be an "a" making it Mater, not Meter.
Regarding the similarly between Miquella and Serosh, the latter had a separate existence as a Lord of Beasts before becoming Godfrey's advisor. My guess is the Two Fingers turned Serosh into a being akin to the shadowbound, meaning that had Hourah Loux prevailed, Serosh would have regenerated and turned him back into Godfrey. That would explain why Serosh casually let Godfrey snap his neck.
I do not think so, considering none of the other shadows are so attached. i think Serosh was grafted onto Horah Loux, either physically or spiritually, since goddrick talks about grafting being a power from the royal bloodline.
@@naiustheyetti It has nothing to do with grafting. Godfrey, as Hourah Loux was seen as too rough and barbaric to be considered a true Lord by Marika, and essentially had to "remove" that side of him in order to become the Elden Lord Godfrey we see in his paintings, etc. Serosh is the spiritual manifestation of that side of Hourah Loux, something he can't truly ever let go of since its such a big part of him. That's why it seems to still be attached, and why when Godfrey snaps its neck, it gets released and reintegrated into Godfrey, transforming him back to Hourah Loux. I forget which item descriptions state it, but its all there in the game.
@@SuperFizzah I would agree with you if we didn't already get lore for serrosh. Serrosh was a real creature that had a life previous to horah loux, he was council to placidusax.
@@SuperFizzah also he doesn't rid himself of his wild side, he uses serrosh to surpress his urges and to remind him of the oath he has taken to be a lord.
@naiustheyetti eh, Godrick was at best inspired by Serosh riding Godfrey. The grafting was different from whatever the situation was with Godfrey and his lion.
Not me instantly killing the first kindred of rot I see because of PTSD from the base game 💀
lol same
I slaughtered their babies in Caelid and put a message that said "Time for revenge" outside their nursery.
Can I revive them, I killed the one closet to the cathedral (he was buried in the ground)
I started swinging as soon as I saw one but stopped after i noticed how tanky they were lmaoo 😂
Same 😢
The item is called Remembrance of a God and a Lord. So it must really be him. All the Remembrances say they were hewn/shaped into the Erdtre/Scadutree. Since nothing ever really dies then maybe they can be reincarnated in some way.
Maybe by force of will? Kind of like how you eat Bayle's heart yet his sheer rage continues to try and return.
6:40 Miquella’s body does die because he sacrificed it all over land of shadow. We also get the text “God Slain”
Miquella's ring, the gesture, is him holding onto his consort.
I think it's also representative of Miquella's Crosses, which are likely also in the shape of Miquella's Great Rune before it was shattered
Anybody else notice that Miquella, The Elden Twink has four arms?
Seems significant, doesn't it?
Three actually: a cross in Belurat says that he abandon his hand dexterous but in the cutscene his upper hand sinistral is missing.
@@mmyr8ado.360 he abandoned both dextral and sinistral arms one in Belurat Interior Cross and the other in Storehouse Fourth Floor Cross
Probably imagery borrowed from hinduism to symbolize his newly acquired divinity
@@lynackhilou4865not to mention the similarity to Ranni, who also discarded the physical but who, unlike Miquella, retained her doubts, and her love.
So does Ranni
The first time a furnance golem grabed me it was raining and it's flames where smaller and i could see the whole dragon inside of him
You can also see one of the dragon's wings when the golem is lying on the ground.
Miquella doesn't have eyes anymore. He plucked them out as a sacrafice to turn into a god just like his arm or his heart
Have*
Would that mean his eyes are somewhere in the DLC
If that's the case, then why does he still have limbs?
I thought he only plucked one eye?
@@Crestfallen_Warrior he doesn't look closely. He only has one arm the arms he holds onto Radahn with are spsctral and come from his hip. Don't ask me why
One interesting thing I found is that a bit south of where you get the O Mother gesture in Bonny village, there is a large snake shed on the ground. The skin looks VERY similar to Rykards serpent.
I found that too lol
it probably has something to do with messmer's base serpent rather than rykard's as messmer has his dialogue where he says "O Mother" and looks at the statue of marika he sits in front of.
There's some big snake skins you can find around, I don't remember exactly where but I've seen at least 2
This was really interesting. The Messmer connections are obvious but the split open belly really does make me think of Rykard too... It's interesting how Rykard chose the serpent, it wasn't original to him, but Messmer seemed to be connected to serpents from birth, and was made to go along with rejecting them (although apparently with some confusion and reluctance given his last line.)
There's one in the woods towards the beginning of the dlc
No explanation
No item
It's just there
Lyndell was definitely an imporant city pre-Marika's reign. If you overlap the maps, it's literally located on top of where the shadowtree would be.
The Roundtable Hold seems to predate every other surrounding structure in Leyndell, with a significant emphasis on Godfrey & the Crucible.
@@jefftheindianchief8279 yup. And notice how the general Lyndrll architecture resembles the last area of the DLC definitely shows a huge architectural connection. Obviously modified greatly during Marikas reign.
The location of the lands of shadow doesn't overlap exactly with the main map. There's a marker in the lands of shadow that tells you it's directly in the centre of the lands between. It's under that cloud that's directly in the centre of the main map
@@kevinm.4846 It is I think. We just don't have the height of everything compared to main map. But it should be !
Gotta love how RUclips just did notify me at all about this vid. Not just notification, even in my subscription feed it's not there, I was luck to have been recommended it.
7:01 you say it never ends but we only have one single example of a person coming back from the dead once WE kill them. Radahn. That’s it. The only time.
Mohg in the sewers is an illusion, not real Mohg. Same with Margit for Morgott. We only fight the real version once when we kill them.
Miquella divested himself of his body. That’s why he’s see-through. He’s a god that exists as just a soul. And once we kill his lord (who he basically fused himself with) he dies as well.
When you find the Miquella Cross that marks where he abandoned his eye, you can go back to Ansbach who reacts in surprise and tells you that Miquella's eyes are no mere morsel of flesh, but proof of his status as an empyrean. Seeing as how Ranni has one eye shut, Malenia has both of hers scarred over, Marika has the side of her face missing when we find her, and Melina, if you believe her to be the Gloam-Eyed Queen, also has one eye shut, it seems as though there's something notable going on with the eyes of all empyreans. Messmer also has one eye shut and some sort of deity inhabiting his body which might mark him as one too.
Btw, godhood in the Lands Between sound like a trap and conspiracy of cosmic Lovecrafian beings. The gods of elden ring are like mediums that chanel power of enteties beyond our reach, in a sense they are agents of said beings be it Formless Mother, Outer God of Rot, Frenzy Flame or Greater Will. Outer gods give you power but in turn influence world to their liking. For example Marika is a god, but power she wields is not her own (It's Elden Beast- agent of Greater Will, I guess Greater Will is like leader of a patheon). I wonder whos power Miquella borowed (probably Greater Will)?
I don't think Marika was ever actually a god. I think there's a difference between a Lord and a God. The Tarnished never becomes a God. It's always Elden Lord or Lord of Frenzied Flame. Marika and her Empyrean children had the capacity to become Gods but Marika turned against the Greater Will when she shattered the Elden Ring, probably disqualifying her of godhood which is why she was imprisoned.
This is why Ranni "Slew her empyrean flesh", to sever the control of "that thing", her Two Fingers and the Greater Will. Miquella did the same thing casting off his physical form. But Ranni was trying to journey the cold loneliness of space, separated from greater powers. Maybe Miquella wanted Radahn to challenge the gods on his behalf to ascend.
@@Ultimaniacx4 She was a god though. Marika ascended through the gate of divinity and became the host of the elden ring.
@@Ultimaniacx4, Btw, Rani was also communicating with otherworldly entity - Moon (I sense Bloodborne vibes). Perhaps the Moon influenced her decision to sabotage the golden order (now I see similarities with the Moon Presence).
Does that make us the "Outer God" of our Tarnished? Our will is done through an avatar of sorts.
@@jefftheindianchief8279, lol, classical cosmic horror plot: We were lovecraftian entities all along!
miquella's eyes are gold in childhood, but grey after ascending to divinity
I suppose in a land where death has a different purpose and meaning, the foragers aren’t as much of an issue. Rot is bad in the context of it taking away from life but when rotting occurs in the dead, it’s a way to feed new life.
I feel so sorry for Radahn and mohg they both got screwed royally here, Radahn robbed of the peace we finally granted him and mohg robbed of his dignity by being manipulated and having his body desecrated
What I find very interesting is that the item description on the Boar Knight Boss (I forget his name, Gallus or something?) States that he and Radahn were friendly rivals in their youth, and you have the death knight armor describing knights who served the prince of death. As well as linking to his defeat and befriending of the dragons as each set of the death knight armor increases dragon cult incantations. Which means Mesmer and the pruging that he went through as well as the potential burning of the erdtree probably happened well after Godwyn was killed and Radagon was already 2nd elden Lord.
Also the dragons were probably enemies of Mesmer because of the lore of Bayle attacking Placidusax, of whom were still probably on friendly/neutral terms. That attack instigated dragon communion and made mordern dragons enemies to pretty much everyone
I like to think that the Drake Warriors were a particularly fanatical group within the Leyndell Dragon Cult. It seems their first members were actually the Draconic Tree Sentinels, and that after the War with the Dragons, Leyndell and Farum Azula were actually on good terms
5:40 Oddball thought, maybe the reason for all finger morphology is because the first contact someone from the lands between had was touching the shooting star with their hand and it copied that into all its future forms and children?
It's not morphology. It's symbolism.
@@bigguy7353 yeah, but abstract thinking is too difficult to a lot of people, give him some slack.
Look at the Sistine chapel ceiling, the "hand of God" is an incredibly common symbol for divine intervention. Also think there is a connection to the beastmen of farum azula "gaining 5 fingers"
@@user-zp8kj2cl9gif there is one thing a fromsoft player shouldnt be, its pretentious. Shut up
@@bigguy7353 the children are the two fingers, fingercreepers etc. so that's morphology, not symbolism
I think it's important to note the dragon head in the furnace golem is a drake head and not an ancient dragon. We know from the base game that drakes are more animalistic and violent than the ancient dragons. From Bayle's lore we also know that the ancient dragons have a grudge against the drakes as well. It's very possible the furnace golem was set upon by a rogue drake and not the other way around but I'm not sure if any faction would claim the attack for any political basis
It was Marika's plan all along, every single thing we do is Marika's will, we all thought that playing the main game but the dlc explains it, the Greater Will abandoned the Lands Between long before Marika ascended to godhood this is confirmed because we find out Metyr the mother of fingers and daughter of the Greater Will was abandoned by the god long ago, which means every single action the fingers make does not come from the guidance of the Greater Will or any god, therefore the grace that guides us can only come from Marika.
But Marika manipulates us the entire game to kill the Elden Beast and end the Greater Will influence
@@WAR3600 yeah that's what i'm saying
Also, the map overlays VERY nicely with the Lands between. The big hole in the Hinterlands lays EXACTLY where the erdtree's stump is. Also not, that the tree isn't exactly where it should be on the map in relation to its stump. Reason being, they would have had to cover the divine tower bridge if they put it there. But it does overlap nicely with the big tree stump underground (where the erdtree actually sits in the world)
Also if you go to the supression tower (on the way to jagged peak), its tablet on the top of the tower says that its the center of the lands between, not the lands of shadow
The realms of Shadow were part of TLB but I don't think they fit directly in the middle, but rather stretched out from the broken section in the east.
@@NoBody-hw6se yeah it does. It actually does. Keep in mind parts probably shifted a bit over the years. And that marker would literally be in the center if the land of shadow was in the middle where the cloud is
Dont looka gift lore in the mouth. Accept that what is written out plainly is what it is. Sometimes thats what it is.
I mean hell, the Scadu Altus area would literally connect right to the Altus Plateau in this configuration
it really doesn’t though. if you look very closely the borders don’t match at all.
@@chasekeylime9717 yeah it does. If a whole land got sheared it woudnt be clean cut. Tons of stuff would fall into ocean, etc. Certain areas in Lands between couleve very well been underground as well.
The most importamt landmarks line up perfectly. Dragon Peak is on Caelid, the whole of Caelid would've been underground at some point sure. But the location tracks with the dragon presence.
The giant hole near Marikas village, EXACTLY where the stump of the Erdtree is underground.
A ton of other small details, bit that's one.
At the end of the day, this was all one large continent a LONG time ago.
I think Miquella's closed eyes are supposed to reference Buddha, similar to his crosses referencing Jesus.
They're symbols of his apotheosis.
Edit: Freyja and Ansbach both refer to Miquella's crosses as his "footprints" which is an overt reference to Buddha.
Thanks for this.
Too many people forget where this game came from.
@@FaeQueenCory From Japan? The dominant religion is Christianity there. Regardless, Elden Ring has many different symbols from many different religions.
I must not be Japanese because Christianity is definitely NOT a dominant religion here in any way, shape, or form. 😂😂
@@Baelfyre
The dominant religion is Buddhism bro. Even then, Japan doesn't really have a dominant religion.
@@davidnewhart2533 Yes I accept that I was wrong on that note, I did look up the numbers and there's only around 1m practicing Christians in Japan. However my point still stands, the game doesn't take from any one religion or doctrine. It has everything from Norse tones to Abrahamic tones, and even some similarities to ancient canaanite religions. Elden Ring takes from a multitude of Cultures and beliefs, but the truth is that the actual Japanese Shinto/Buddhist references in the game are minimal.
I think we don’t see Miquella’s eyes as a parallel to the fact that Malenia’s are sealed shut from Scarlet Rot
Miquella has had his grace taken from his eyes amongst things he gave up. His eyes were gold but are now grey in the model.
All the Empyrean's eyes are either weird or somehow obscured, so we don't notice.
All of them have at least one eye hidden.
Messmer (one shut, one Marika'd), Melina (one shut), Malenia (disguised by helmet, then rot), Marikaa (gone, disguised as old-statue optics), Radagon (simply missing), Mohg (horns), Morgott (horns), Ranni (one shut), Miquella (closed)
@@multiverserift half of the characters you just listed aren't Empyreans
@@literallynomadic78 empyreans and empyrean-adjacent
You can save Moore. In my second playthrough I warmed the kindred of rot being and never spoke to him afterwards until after final boss and he was still there, special dialogue too.
I find it funny to think that the forager brood created alcohol as a rot potion 😅
Well considering there was a war agains the ancient dragons and they later made peace and even worked together, it would make sense that the vile drakes are also foes of the Erdtree. They did Placidusax a solid and purged some drakes while they did their own genocide.
There's so much to work out in this DLC. This will be our age of plenty.
The scadutree did come before the erdtree after all, and Marika planted the Erdtree to supercede the Scadutree's influence and enshrouded the land of shadow. I do think there's a reason the Scadutree symbol is on the Erdtree
It didn't, because it's the shadow of the Erdtree. A shadow cannot exist before the real thing. If the DLC's name isn't enough, the avatar's remembrance literally and bluntly says "The Scadutree is the shadow of the Erdtree"
@@SaHaRaSquadSure but what exactly does that mean? The scadutree is the concept of disorder, but does that mean that when Marika raised the erdtree, she threw that part of the lands between under the "shadow" of the erdtree? Is that how she veiled it away? I've always wanted to understand that.
@@gghs9162 The description says it's "Born of dark notions that bear no sense of Order". So the Erdtree represents the Golden Order, and everything that would make that order impure is represented by the Scadutree.
And my guess is the Scadutree came to be when the shadow realm was separated from the Lands Between. Marika was a big fan of hiding anything away that isn't a shining example of her Golden Order.
Though I'm not sure about the nature of those "dark notions" and from what perspective they are considered dark.
@gghs9162its confirmed Marika planted the Erdtree?
@@WAR3600 Never explicitly mentioned, but: an affair from which Gold arose and so too was Shadow born. If Shadow was born and the scadutree is the epicenter of shadow and the erdtree the epicenter of gold seems possible. That plus the minor erdtree planted on shaman village, like a little symbol of something greater that marika left to show the village how far she'd come.
The final fight would have been SO much better if it had been one phase of just Radhan and one phase of just Miquella. That would clear up the whole question regarding why he also dies when we beat Radhan.
As it is now the final fight we’ll likely ever get for Elden Ring just feels like a worse reskin of the Lorien and Lothric fight. Kinda disappointing honestly
Someone has decrypted Miquella’s mod which shows he has grey eyes in the final battle but golden eyes in the last cutscene after defeating Radahn.
The last cutscene? So, his grace returned to him after killing Radahn?
@@gghs9162that cutscene is a flashback
@@YamiAi ah...thanks for the info
The white hands around Radahn are just Miquella's enscorcellement. Miquella is there in person, now in his improved golden flesh no longer a child but a full-fledged god ready to take over the Lands Between. We kill them just before they'd return to the Lands Between and exact their plans.
I thought “I am Malenia, blade of Miquella” was bad, but “Embraced by MESSSSSSSMERS flame” is not forever branded onto my brain
People are still finding things now, like Quelagg just found that the Helphen's Steeple sword is a model of Messmer's tower and that and the Tibia Mariner's are in the same boats from the part of Shadow Castle with the Shadow Militiamen.
I like to believe that the shadow tree is the Miquella’s Haligtree
The manner of how Moore speak, he sounds like he is a bug or insectoid in nature. Idk... But he might be kindred of Rot in armor... He mostly speak very plainly and very quiet
Thiolier is quiet too but his dialogue seem to be more complex than Moore.
I think we've definitely killed Miquella or as much as Miquella can be killed. Miquella has divested their body and emotions at every single cross point. So when he came out of the divine gates to buff Consort Radahn I think he was basically binding himself to his consort. So when we kill Radahn we kill Miquella. It would be like killing Ranni's puppet I guess.
Kinda wish there is a 2nd dlc, so much potential.
I'm glad they're moving on. They reached the limits of this particular formula and I wanna see new iterations that diverge like Bloodborne and Sekiro did.
I feel as if miquella divested himself of his eyes so that the outer gods would not have sway over him seeing as the outer gods so frequently use eyes for things
Gothic 2 Music. That nostlagia hit deep
I had a thought. Miyazaki said the DLC was "the size of limgrave". Its sort of become a well known joke now as the dlc seems to be a lot bigger than limgrave.
But, what if Miyazaki was talking about the map itself in relation to the base game map?
I see people trying to overlay the map to the base game map but what if we scale the dlc map to the "size of limgrave" and try to fit it?
I don't think much has changed if you overlay the maps. It completely fits into the middle, both trees overlapping and actually giving rise to the idea, that the divine towers in the lands between maybe have something to do with it. The "Pillar" in the dlc area is about in the middle of them all, maybe acting as some sort of conduit for whatever Marika did to phase it?
We also have the dragon area overlapping with caelid and farum azula above, tieing together their stories really well as well.
I definitely think this is not as much of a mystery as people make it out to be.
As far as I know the divine towers predate almost all civilizations in the Lands Between. Tarnished Archeologist made a great video about them.
@@SaHaRaSquad still checks out then. the pillar could have been built at a later point in time exactly for that reason to harness their latent power, if they had any, to do the phasing.
@@dshearwf The reason for the pillar is suppression of "all manner of Death" as the gravestone says. It's just unclear what exactly that means. Maybe its absence from the Lands Between is what made the spread of deathroot possible.
6:53 you just put the Gothic 2 base Game music in it and I love it !
Why is Metyr underwater? What are these tubes in her arena?
Also have we ever seen her arena in some unused concept art? I couldn’t find any but I kinda remember seeing something similar before.
Gives a new meaning to try finger, but hole
i think the scadutree is likely that "first world tree" you would mention in the elden ring timeline videos, and any symbol for an unknown world tree can probably safely be fitted into the scadutree's domain, which could help line up when exactly marika seperated the lands of shadow from the rest of the lands between
It doesn't fit the descriptions of the Crucible, the Great Tree or the Helphen at first glance, though.
No, the game itself says the Scadutree is the shadow of the Erdtree, so it cannot possibly be older than the Erdtree itself. See the description of the scadutree avatar's remembrance.
3:26 There's that one saying that goes: "the eyes are the windows to the soul". Since Miquella's eyes are always shut, no one can ever truly know his intentions, except for himself. I'd probably also bet that not even St. Trina would know either, despite her being Miquella's other half. You look at Marika and Radagon, and it could be argued that Radagon wouldn't have known that Marika had intended to act on her desire to shatter the Elden Ring, until it was already too late.
Messmer's eye sealed looks exactly like Marika's rune!
Its literally Marika’s scar seal
When you realise half the enemies are actually nice people originally
I think a really underrated disc is the one on the flame of messmer key item. Which basically confirms that Melina is indeed a daughter of marika. And likely in fact the house eyed queen
The member of the foragers by the prospect town , I ran up behind the sweet guy and killed him. It was all a blur and happened so fast. I’ll never forgive myself
Miquella is also missing an arm, giving him three arms instead of four who are often a symbol of divinity and in Buddhism are related to the reaching of nirvana, supreme detachment from everything mundane.
His missing arm could potentially be the one we touch to enter the DLC.
I don't think the current layout of the Land of Shadow was ever a part of the regular world. Rather the Land of Shadow is a dumping ground for parts of the world that were removed. This makes sense given how the areas of the map seem to be stacked endlessly on top of each other.
We obviously kill Miquella. It literally says "God Slain", the Remembrance is called "Remembrance of a God and a Lord" and through it, we can get one of the incantations Miquella used during the battle. So he's dead dead
I killed the first Forager I came across. I knew immediately I had done something wrong because I noticed too late it wasn't attacking back. So I went and hit a site of grace, rode back and saw it's corpse in its place and immediately lamented my decision.
I think miquella not opening his eyes means he isnt following any outer deity because he wants to be that himself
HADES MUSIC MENTIONED
there is a good reason y Godfrey and Serosh are portrayed differently than Miquella and Radahn in the remembrances. Godfrey and Serosh are different independent individuals acting in harmony, Serosh is there to hold back Godfrey's bloodlust (afaik), and Godfrey can willingly... "remove" Serosh when he feels he needs to. Meanwhile Radahn in there has been reduced to nothing but a puppet (a brutal puppet that can rip people's guts apart in 0.1s, but still a puppet), while Miquella is there as the puppet master. On the 2nd phase of both fights we're fighting the true nature of our foes, Godfrey the lone 'WARRIOR', and Miquella the puppet master and his puppet, Radahn is nothing but an extension of Miquella's power. Thus the remembrance is also showing the true nature of who we've just defeated.
Fire Giants and Dragons appear in the Furnace Golem because Messmer's crusade happens after the War Against the Fire Giants. We know this because Messmer was friends with Radahn who was only born after the Birth of the Erdtree and therefore after Godfrey was at the Mountaintops. Plenty of time to get some Modern Dragons and Fire Giants in there.
I dont think Messmer curses his mother, I think he is saying that HE is the curse on his mother for being born with the Abyssal Serpent that was trapped within him, given how the Golden order and people in general treats those that are related to serpents. He faces unjust persecution for something he cant control (a few of his knights turn on him the moment they found out the truth about him) which i believe is partially why Marika sent him to the land of shadows. Both for Marikas vengeance (Shaman village being slaughtered) but also to keep Messmer safe from the eyes of her Golden Order
Miquella discarded his eyes.
We can see miqellas eyes on the model in the final cutscene, they're gold but also kind of like, hollow
There's a whole dragon laid in the middle of the furnaces too.
Miquella also has 3 arms? 2 are spectral and 1 is physical He got rid of his left arm at a cross which is clearly missing in the fight, He also got rid of his Eyes right? What is the significance of this stripping of flesh process and why didn't he just rid himself of his entire body like ranni but only specific Chunks of it? I think that's a huge hint
I find it interesting that the fire knights in the storehouse and black keep have very similar moves to the dancers of Ranah
Like how the shadow of the erdtree ad pops up for this vid. Had to watch it all the way through out of respect.
Miquella abandoned his body, no? In that case he wouldn’t have a body for us to worry about killing. He handled that part for us
What i find strange, is if the finger creepers come from Metyr, then why does Rykard have the same hands (like the exact same)? Perhaps his gluttonous ways were not only focused on powerful tarnished, but also the power of the fingers themselves?
In a similar vein, it makes since that the finger creepers are infesting Carian Manor. Its not leftover guards sent by Rykard to protect the family home and Ranni, but instead sent by the Fingers to accost Ranni. I think the creepers were a bit of a retcon, as a lot of things in the DLC seem to be, but here we are.
Edit: I appreciate you pronouncing Scadu correctly.
Thought I'd mention that this video does not appear in my sub box, and it is not the first time this has happened with your channel.
For some reason this video did not show up in my Subscriptions feed :O
But I am glad I found it none the less.
We never see Marika’s eyes either
So many things left unanswered, so many theories created after release. God I love the lore of this game. I just hope they decide to revisit this after whatever their next big title is, because I think they definitely could expand the lore enough to warrant a 2nd title.
Blue dancer > red dancer
Blue dancer knew spamming L2 would just result in death his L2 only does 1 spin
It’s the prince of persia sealing the dark god with the help of the light princess. At least it’s the inspiration for the swordsman story.
Gothic 2 soundtrack in the background was a very good choice ooo 😎🔥
I think mesmer not being a drake hunting knight was a good choice but a bad choice as he would be able to be the explanation of the trade of power between the dragons of the crucible and the humans. He could have been the crusade that ended the dragons rule alongside "cleansing" the land of omen/hornsent.
If there is a mother of fingers, is there also a father of fingers???
Blind Swordsman was not alone, they had the Blue Faerie.
What was the Blue Faerie?
I often see it said that the Blue Faerie was supposedly just a metaphor for the Siofra River--and it's true that 'siofra' can mean something like 'fairy'. But. It feels too convenient, I think... So many things in Elden Ring are obscure and mysterious and out of sight. We may not see any fairies in the game. But what do we find in the DLC? The Ancient Ruins of Rauh, which the Hornsent studied, are apparently a place where elemental "sprites" were once used as a means of power, function, and convenience. The sprites seem to be actual beings, and connected to the elements. So it's not hard to imagine that the blue fairy perhaps refers to a type of water elemental sprite that would have been more commonly seen in the Blind Swordsman's day? This is just my crazy theory, though.
@@magicmirrorgaming 99.9% of people don't know what siofra means without googling it and yet you say it's not obscure enough?
huh Mesmer's eye is literally Marika's soreseal
The rune of Marika also has that same three branched cross on it
miquella's eyes are gold when hes little. you can see his character model in a video from the last scene after you beat the dlc. his eyes in his form during the boss fight are colorless. I guess if I had to say a color, id say it looks gray.
Love the gothic music in the background
Sorry to spoil the Elden ring series, but I think it would be a great addition to your dark souls 1 collection a video about the titanite demons/slabs. There's so much interesthing aspects involving it. For instance, notice the presence of a titanite demon in Darkroot garden, 800 years in the future long after the time the choosen undead traveled Oolacile and found(Or maybe missed?) a treasure chest containing a titanite slab right there at Kalameet's arena. I would like to add the curious use of lightning as the classic ranged attack of the demons, which make me remember the weapon upgrade chart which shows lightning is actually the only "elemental" type of ascention which uses standard titanite chunks, nor red/white/blue. And now leaving the demons aside, there are other curious correlations between the slabs and their magic, like the blue titanite slab found in a chest at the small pound at the beginning of the Darkroot garded of the past(DLC), which later in the current timeline, in the exact same spot, in the exact same chest, you can find the enchanted ember.
Screw those needle guys. On NG+7 it almost one shots and nocks off the horse, fighting more than 2 of them at a time is harder that almost any boss and it’s impossible to run past them in a slightly open area.
I wish someone told me about the forager brood when I found one praying in a corner lol
I can confirm there is a full dragon inside the furnace golems if you manage to jump over the top and look down there is the dragon in the centre
3:15 There is a video on youtube that shows Miquellas eyes during the memory cutscene. They are shown to be grey and pupilless, an indication of his abandonment of his great rune and his grace.
5:58 Miquella abandoned his flesh. Therefore he now only exists in spirit, much like Ranni. Which is interesting because they both have 4 arms.
The Forager Brood is probably just a different tribe/brood of the pests.
Hades soundtrack is a touch of perfection
Good use of hades music
In the cinematic trailer, we see Marika using Gloam eyed queen's eye/crux to make part of the shadow realm from the land between, veiling it
A more interesting question for me is. Does St. Trina remain once Miquella is defeated?
Here is a hint. The shadow map in upside down. Now try to make it fit into the lands between
I attacked one of the forager broods and Moore invaded me, I went to absolve my sins and it wouldn’t let me. I was abit disappointed