Shane's voice is what really makes the band. I never tire of hearing him sing. I can't imagine Westlife without Shane Filan. He's the one who never messes up live.
As long as I have Shane everything will be okay! Westlife can't be without Shane! Without Shane Westlife would not exist, But none of the Westlife members are still alive and well because Shane carries it all! Love Shane and Westlife from Vietnam
Shane is a one and only Westlife star! He is very handsome, talented, personable, elegant, confident, professional, serious and full of energy and enthusiasm for his profession. Shane is a leader without Westlife's weaknesses
That he is But to be fair Shane drank the previous night. And when Simon heard him again, he immediately liked him. Simon has a good ear, and he can spot talent.
Aww 😍 Shane's always been my first ever celebrity crush I'd say 😂. Didn't expect he's got that quirky personality. He's also my fave in the group, but I've always loved them as Westlife 👊
Saw him last year here in Manila during his solo album launch. Damnnn he was good looking. Now i understand when people say, some are not telegenic but looks good in person. He's that kind of guy.
In my opinion Shane is the most handsome of all 😍😍😍😁 and he's got a beautiful voice and good attitude 😍😍😍 Shane is my fav 😍😍😍 love Shane Filan to the moon and back 😍😘
they are all handsome in different category. i saw their live concert back in 2011 but not as close-up as i saw shane live here in our province last year. he is very handsome and hot dad haha and his face is far away from his age.
OMG same here.. He is so beautiful .. The voice is just sooooo good.. I can't explain how amazing it is... and westlife got second place in my bucket list ..which is to watch their concert at least 5 time lol..
Shane is Westlife's lead singer, many lines of their songs we will hear his beautiful voice... though all members are great with Mark Nicky Kian, they have different voices and their combination is amazing.
Shane becomes the most handsome “daddy” among the boys. When i was young and they are still young also my crush is Nicky but as the years go by i have to say Shane captured my eyes and my heart as he become matured.
in my oppinion. shane still most handsome. but Kian really look different in ages. way more more handsome to me than his younger in 2000. maybe his looks so sweet Daddy now
Well put! Westlife could afford to lose Brian, or Kian or Nicky, and still survive but i can’t imagine the band minus Shane or Mark. S and M are clearly the focal points of the band.
@FUCK TRUMP AND BIDEN!! FUCK THE CORRUPT DUOPOLY!! The band can survive without Mark obviously. Shane is the person that led all their hits. That can't be replaced. Shane Nicky and Kian can carry Westlife. They did at a short notice. They have charm, great dancers and have stage charisma.
For Westlife, Shane is more than enough! Without Shane, Westlife would definitely die. But there is not a single member of Westlife who is still alive and well
i dont know if i ever gonna love westilfe if shane wasnt in it because the first time i hear/saw westlife it was his voice (and his face 😁) that struck me the most..his voice was and still so dreamy...its like my top 3 voice (timbre) of all time
Shane is the most beautiful star/star in Westlife! He is the leader and opening and closing vocalist for Westlife! Shane is the living symbol of Westlife!
To be precise, Westlife would not be able to exist without Shane! His voice is on a different level compared to the other members. He is always the one who starts and ends the song
What you say is absolutely true! And that is something that no one knows and can discuss! Shane's influence, voice, and talent are undeniable! No to Shane means no there is a Westlife that we see today
Simon's not all that great at predicting someone's future success as he think he does. he's gotten it wrong a LOT of times!! he got lucky with Carrie Underwood but not a lota others.
No, Simon did not criticize Shane's appearance because that day Shane was also very beautiful! Tea tube Shane because Shane had been drinking with friends the night before the casting so Shane auditioned unsuccessfully
whaaat? he's so lovely, I always had a crush on him. Beautiful smile and eyes. I've seen the old recordings and he was also very good looking then, though I remember thinking he somehow looked way more Irish with his hair combed down over his forehead.
Absolutely true... he refused to sign on Take That unless they got rid of the ' fat lead singer" , which turned out to be Gary Barlow...Luckily TT's manager (Nigel Martin Smith) refused as he could see that Gary Barlow was a force to be reckoned with
Shane didn't mention why he was so bad at the first audition and was slapped in the face: he and his girlfriend (now wife) had been a little too drunk the night before :P Shane shared that story a few years ago.
To be precise, Westlife would not be able to exist without Shane! His voice is on a different level compared to the other members. He is always the one who starts and ends the song
I love Westlife because of Shane. He such a cutie pie and has the most beautiful voice. What is the matter with Simon? Blonde hair and/or blue/green eyes does NOT mean beautiful.
@@azhari7968 He’s actually a brunette. He’s been dyeing his hair blonde since he was 14. Likewise, Britney Spears is actually a light brunette. She just likes to colour her hair blonde. Go check out pics of her when she was a kid.
@@antifamanutd I don't care about Britney Spears but, are you sure about Kian? I can't find any picture of him being a brunette, do you have some source?
Take That Sydney Fan HELL YEAH!!!! Shane is HOT! And he’s one HOT Daddy too!! 😂😂. He has a bit of a James Dean look to him. America knows who that is, he was a bit of a “rebel” actor. Only Shane is much more grounded!! And very attractive!❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Why is everyone just laughing and talking about who's the most talented when Shane just admitted being physically assaulted by his manager? If that happened nowadays all hell would break loose and Louis could have ended up in court with a criminal conviction. Shows how destructive and nasty the music industry can be and how, even the nicest of people are really ruthless, aggressive dictators.
Relax, at least he had good intention doing that. Maybe that's the way Louis told Shane how important it is to maintain your looks because he is in a boyband
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Pretty face is one thing, but Shane has that bit of graveliness in his voice as well. And Shane is hot! I don’t think of all people, Simon Cowell should be comparing who is hot and good looking or not. I mean seriously, Simone’s okay, but I wouldn’t drop to my knees are stammer for something to say, like I would if Shane were standing in front of me!❤️❤️❤️
I still dont get it why image should matter more than talent, not all great artist have blond hair that was just stupid of them to even think of, we love westlife and rgat has nothing to do with their looks and we were gona love any image they would have portrayed....Westlife for life
Brian McFadden is a traitor. He left the band for fame and for his own good only and not thinking about the group. Shame on Brian! We don't want him back.
I think he was force to leave the band if you will see some interview of his ex wife. Simon threw magazine in face of Brian for dating her, they broke up then got back together secretly.
ellimach Ciudad89 I think it’s a combination of him wanting to leave and him being forced to quit. He wanted to leave because he felt he couldn’t pursue the kind of direction he wanted while in the band, plus he wasn’t allowed to take a break to pursue solo ventures by the group’s management. At the same time, he was probably forced to resign because the management get tired of his hard-partying lifestyle, plus he’d cheated on his first wife and i believe that might’ve cost him the respect of his bandmates, plus the group’s management might’ve felt his actions were tarnishing the band’s spotless image. It just happened that his solo career didn’t work out, and he’s trying to get back into the group to revive his career. And he’s not the the first ex-band member to attempt to get back with their former group in order to resurrect their career, nor will he be the last.
Did he ever won 'most fanciable awards' @ smash hits awards? And I bet Shane has most fans than other member..his solo album most succes than Bryan, Nicky or Kian..and much of fanbase of Shane Filan...no doubt he's the most special in westlife...leader, soul..and he still be good man ,humble...Simon you wrong!!!
If that particular incident happened to a woman, that interview would've been all over the internet. That was abuse, Shane. Oh the things boy band members endure. :(
And some fools out there still act like women are the only ones who have to endure mistreatment by top execs in the entertainment industry. (Of course, this is not to deny that misogyny still exists)
Shane's voice is what really makes the band. I never tire of hearing him sing. I can't imagine Westlife without Shane Filan. He's the one who never messes up live.
As long as I have Shane everything will be okay! Westlife can't be without Shane! Without Shane Westlife would not exist, But none of the Westlife members are still alive and well because Shane carries it all! Love Shane and Westlife from Vietnam
Shane is a one and only Westlife star! He is very handsome, talented, personable, elegant, confident, professional, serious and full of energy and enthusiasm for his profession. Shane is a leader without Westlife's weaknesses
Absolutely, he's the pillar of the group. No Shane, no Westlife.
Shane is the gem of Westlife. I can't imagine Westlife without him. His voice is everything!
They already performed without shane they're still good.
Shane is the gem of westlife. I can't imagine westlife without him . His voice is everything!
@@mrguitarman2271 it's different without any of westlife member :)
he's my idol :) never out of tune
his live performance is stunning
That he is
But to be fair Shane drank the previous night.
And when Simon heard him again, he immediately liked him. Simon has a good ear, and he can spot talent.
I love Shane his voice is so iconic even when i listen to his solo album,it still reminds me of westlife. That's how great he is!
Shane is a wonderful singer-songwriter ,and Mark too ,all of them are Westlife ,i dearly love them all ,Shane is my favorite.
Aww 😍 Shane's always been my first ever celebrity crush I'd say 😂. Didn't expect he's got that quirky personality. He's also my fave in the group, but I've always loved them as Westlife 👊
LOVE Shane's Louis impression! What an amazing band.
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Saw him last year here in Manila during his solo album launch. Damnnn he was good looking. Now i understand when people say, some are not telegenic but looks good in person. He's that kind of guy.
Me too, saw him in person here in Manila. He looks like Prince Charming out of a fairy tale. I swear TV doesn't give him justice.
I agree. He looks much better in person!
I can't imagine Westlife without Shane. He is the star of the group ❣
No one can denied it! Shane is the leader, heart and soul of Westlife! He is the one who decides Westlife's existence
Shane is so underrated
Probably one of the best singers in the world this time
Out of Westlife I would say it’s Kian and Nicky more than Shane
I agree!!!! Shane could have become so much more.
True
@javierasalgadoreyes
I wish I could understand what you're saying.
Kian and Nicky are what?
@@javierasalgadoreyeswhat ??? 😅
but shane is westlife's soul
He is definitely
Definitely!
yes for sure. shane is the soul
tjgtpdpp p I can’t imagine WestLife without Shane , God Simon where was your mind .
True 😍😍 he's my favorite 😭😭😍😍😍
In my opinion Shane is the most handsome of all 😍😍😍😁 and he's got a beautiful voice and good attitude 😍😍😍 Shane is my fav 😍😍😍 love Shane Filan to the moon and back 😍😘
they are all handsome in different category. i saw their live concert back in 2011 but not as close-up as i saw shane live here in our province last year. he is very handsome and hot dad haha and his face is far away from his age.
You right
Agree i think hes attractive
OMG same here.. He is so beautiful .. The voice is just sooooo good.. I can't explain how amazing it is... and westlife got second place in my bucket list ..which is to watch their concert at least 5 time lol..
Nina Lam yes..thats true..
OMG Shane is hilarious and Simon is stupid, imagine wanting to get rid of such a beautiful, talented man
Shane is Westlife's lead singer, many lines of their songs we will hear his beautiful voice... though all members are great with Mark Nicky Kian, they have different voices and their combination is amazing.
Shane becomes the most handsome “daddy” among the boys. When i was young and they are still young also my crush is Nicky but as the years go by i have to say Shane captured my eyes and my heart as he become matured.
When he was young, Shane was the Little Prince and now Shane is an extremely handsome, masculine and elegant gentleman 😊
in my oppinion. shane still most handsome. but Kian really look different in ages. way more more handsome to me than his younger in 2000. maybe his looks so sweet Daddy now
Shane is coolest guy gave me tips while working at restaurant was teenager back then early 2000's
Aww cute😘😘😘
Where
He has soft spot to guys like you of course because it's that kind of work serving goods he was in before Westlife
@@liferenz was in family restaurant in Dublin 3 He was with kian Egan at the time
Damn bro. What an experience
Shane and also Mark are the lead singers for a reason, absolutely can't imagine Westlife without Shane.
Well put! Westlife could afford to lose Brian, or Kian or Nicky, and still survive but i can’t imagine the band minus Shane or Mark. S and M are clearly the focal points of the band.
@@antifamanutd but the success of westlife, dont deny that brian has a big cobtribution, he's the face of westlife before ;)
@FUCK TRUMP AND BIDEN!! FUCK THE CORRUPT DUOPOLY!! The band can survive without Mark obviously. Shane is the person that led all their hits. That can't be replaced. Shane Nicky and Kian can carry Westlife. They did at a short notice. They have charm, great dancers and have stage charisma.
For Westlife, Shane is more than enough! Without Shane, Westlife would definitely die. But there is not a single member of Westlife who is still alive and well
Shane's impression of Louis absolutely killed me 😂😂😂
We love you westlife from 🇵🇭
I totally dig their Louis impressions. They can't help but do it every time they talk about Louis. 😂
i dont know if i ever gonna love westilfe if shane wasnt in it because the first time i hear/saw westlife it was his voice (and his face 😁) that struck me the most..his voice was and still so dreamy...its like my top 3 voice (timbre) of all time
I'm 💯 sure I wouldn't have been a Westlife fan had I not heard Shane's voice. To me it's the voice first. The looks are just the cherry on top.
I completely agree with you about Shane! But one thing I'm sure of is that without Shane I wouldn't know and love Westlife
The Louis impression was spot on
Shane is the most amazing singer. Has unique voice and great personality . I love him 😘😘💕💕❤️❤️
Shane has the best voice ever in the world !!!! Plus he’s so handsome !! Is he blind ?!?? Maybe jealous Omg Simon is such a weirdo sometimes !!!!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Shane is killing me with laughter
Shane is the most good/star looking one in Westlife, and the voice of the band as well. Shane is Westlife
Shane is the most beautiful star/star in Westlife! He is the leader and opening and closing vocalist for Westlife! Shane is the living symbol of Westlife!
I can’t imagine westlife without shame. I’m glad they kept them.
I can not imagine Westlife without Shane!!!!!!
To be precise, Westlife would not be able to exist without Shane! His voice is on a different level compared to the other members. He is always the one who starts and ends the song
Shane has the most beautiful voice of westlife... no offense for other member.
it is! his voice makes my veins and internal organs working out.
Ya it is.
Brian's
@Marie Whitbread I agree although Shane is good too.
What you say is absolutely true! And that is something that no one knows and can discuss! Shane's influence, voice, and talent are undeniable! No to Shane means no there is a Westlife that we see today
Shane is the reason I love Westlife so much.
It's very similar to what I mean
One would have to question Simon Cowell’s ability to recognise real talent if he basis it on looks.
Simon's not all that great at predicting someone's future success as he think he does. he's gotten it wrong a LOT of times!! he got lucky with Carrie Underwood but not a lota others.
It's a boyband afterall, the looks is important too
No, Simon did not criticize Shane's appearance because that day Shane was also very beautiful! Tea tube Shane because Shane had been drinking with friends the night before the casting so Shane auditioned unsuccessfully
Imagine Westlife without Shane Filan💔💔💔💔 thank you Louise for dying his hair 😂😂
Shanice Abrahams I can’t imagine, my favourite band.
There wouldn’t be a Westlife without Shane
I could never imagine Westlife without Shane! He'll always be my favourite! But, of course I love them all! ❤❤❤❤
They can go on without Brian but they can never go far without Shane
@@christiangrey1118 exactly..
i didnt know shane is funny, so good at impersonating. thank God they didnt get rid of him.
I can't imagine Westlife without Shane but I love them all. Hope Brian is back 😭
He will never be apart of westlife
Brian is a dickhead
Hi po ? 😊
@@neshtautari764 YES!!! never missed him when Westife went four
Brian was the best singer in Westlife
I'm so glad many peeps agree that Shane will stay with westlife.. So glad... 😍😍😍😍😍
Shane is the leader ❤ He has the gold voice ❤
Shane is a beautiful Angel with a wonderful voice. He is the most amazing singer in Westlife history and he is so talented
whaaat? he's so lovely, I always had a crush on him. Beautiful smile and eyes. I've seen the old recordings and he was also very good looking then, though I remember thinking he somehow looked way more Irish with his hair combed down over his forehead.
What the fuck? I can't imagine Westlife without Shane, he's the best one
Shane is the cutest of them all & lead singer for sure okkkuuuurrrrrr ❤️💋
I love Louis Walsh.
I love how loves Shane like his son.
Shane you’re one of a comedian!! 😆🤩😂👍
He's adorable
Nicky and Kian might be the face of Westlife but imagine this band without Shane🤦♂️
PRINSPRAY Actually Shane is the face of Westlife. Think of Westlife and Shane's face pops up.
@@harryiyke6125 Shane is the soul of Westlife.
Shane has a beautiful voice n so handsome..no westlife without shane...
I love you westlife❤
Without shane,westlife is nothing😶
Great gig in Dublin ☘🇮🇪
shane is my fave westlife member.eversince i bought their first album i used to copy his voice
Hahaha! Hilarious! I love you Shane 💗
He was the cutest of them 😊
I love Shane and Mark
What is even westlife without shane
Simon Cowell did the same with Gary Barlow, and you all know that Gary Barlow became the voice of Take That.
Absolutely true... he refused to sign on Take That unless they got rid of the ' fat lead singer" , which turned out to be Gary Barlow...Luckily TT's manager (Nigel Martin Smith) refused as he could see that Gary Barlow was a force to be reckoned with
Kian and Shane impersonating LOUIS WALSH hahaha
Without shane filan westlife are gone I love u my bhoy since day 1 till now xx
I always love this story😂
shane is the biggest part of westlife
What a beautiful man Simon is blind 😂 love you Shane
Shane didn't mention why he was so bad at the first audition and was slapped in the face: he and his girlfriend (now wife) had been a little too drunk the night before :P Shane shared that story a few years ago.
ColleenStockard Hahahaha! Well we all are only human after all!
Where can I find that story I’d love to read it!
@@tkuGod1 it's on his book I think.
WTF? That man wanted to get rid of Shane?! That would have been a stupid idea. Shane is the reason why I love Westlife.
Westlife is incomplete without Shane!
To be precise, Westlife would not be able to exist without Shane! His voice is on a different level compared to the other members. He is always the one who starts and ends the song
I love Westlife because of Shane. He such a cutie pie and has the most beautiful voice. What is the matter with Simon? Blonde hair and/or blue/green eyes does NOT mean beautiful.
And Simon didn’t know or forgot Kian is actually a brunette....
@@antifamanutd wtf? He is blonde
@@azhari7968 He’s actually a brunette. He’s been dyeing his hair blonde since he was 14.
Likewise, Britney Spears is actually a light brunette. She just likes to colour her hair blonde. Go check out pics of her when she was a kid.
@@antifamanutd I don't care about Britney Spears but, are you sure about Kian? I can't find any picture of him being a brunette, do you have some source?
Who thinks Shane Filan is GOOD LOOKING enough ? Reply here please !!
Take That Sydney Fan HELL YEAH!!!! Shane is HOT! And he’s one HOT Daddy too!! 😂😂. He has a bit of a James Dean look to him. America knows who that is, he was a bit of a “rebel” actor. Only Shane is much more grounded!! And very attractive!❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
SHANE is fuckkkking Hot!! And he's a hot dad😘😘😘
He looks awesome ❤️
He's cute...nice man and smart that's more than only goodlooking/handsome...he's the one..
Simon must be blind. Shane is the most good-looking member of Westlife.
Him and Mark
0:38 mark's laugh i died SKDKKDJDNC
That came from Mark? 😮
Simon Cowell didn't like Gary Barlow from Take that and Shane from Westlife, who are exactly my favorites member of these bands 👀
Right
Wait... what? Shane is literally the most attractive of the bunch.
He is definitely the most attractive.. ❤️
Brian McFadden is my Westlife idol back then but.. Shane Filan is the LEAD SINGER of Westlife. He's the heart and soul of Westlife! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Shane is the leader
Why is everyone just laughing and talking about who's the most talented when Shane just admitted being physically assaulted by his manager? If that happened nowadays all hell would break loose and Louis could have ended up in court with a criminal conviction. Shows how destructive and nasty the music industry can be and how, even the nicest of people are really ruthless, aggressive dictators.
I tink Louis slapped Shane like a father wd ... he was frustrated / worried at the potential loss of such amazing talent in Shane
Relax, at least he had good intention doing that. Maybe that's the way Louis told Shane how important it is to maintain your looks because he is in a boyband
Although Brian is my favorite in Westlife, I cant imagine Westlife without Shane. #westlife
Shane my fave
Shane is just amazing....!
You right
MY PEOOOOOOPPLLEEE😭😭😭😭 westlife for life ❤️
without shane westlife is nothing..
Who's the new guy? I like him 😂😂
Though I prefer guys with dark hair, Nicky was and still is the most pretty Westlife guy to me.
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Pretty face is one thing, but Shane has that bit of graveliness in his voice as well. And Shane is hot! I don’t think of all people, Simon Cowell should be comparing who is hot and good looking or not. I mean seriously, Simone’s okay, but I wouldn’t drop to my knees are stammer for something to say, like I would if Shane were standing in front of me!❤️❤️❤️
Shane he so charming
Wtf not shane he heart westlife love you shane filan xx
Shane is so cute😘😘i couldnt imagine if shane is not in westlife maybe im not a fan😅😘😘btw i love them all and shane is my man😘
I still dont get it why image should matter more than talent, not all great artist have blond hair that was just stupid of them to even think of, we love westlife and rgat has nothing to do with their looks and we were gona love any image they would have portrayed....Westlife for life
I loved Shane ' s voice before I really knew who Westlife was.
What?! I always thought and will think Shane is in fact the most handsome guy!!
Your profile picture is so accurate with your comment 😂 😂 😂
@@kaygirly19 Hahahaha. I didn't even realise 😂. Good one!
The whole west life group are handsome ❤️❤️❤️
OMG Shane is too much 😂🙌
Gosh Shane is so handsome
Shane!!!!
Shane is handsome as fuck, all of them look amazing.
i like kian's reaction.
Brian McFadden is a traitor. He left the band for fame and for his own good only and not thinking about the group. Shame on Brian! We don't want him back.
Same
I dont even remember there was him in the band until i read your comment.
I think he was force to leave the band if you will see some interview of his ex wife. Simon threw magazine in face of Brian for dating her, they broke up then got back together secretly.
@@ellimach1591 so Brian dated Simon's ex wife? Wow
@@mutazal80 No.. Since it might affect their popularity that time.
ellimach Ciudad89 I think it’s a combination of him wanting to leave and him being forced to quit. He wanted to leave because he felt he couldn’t pursue the kind of direction he wanted while in the band, plus he wasn’t allowed to take a break to pursue solo ventures by the group’s management. At the same time, he was probably forced to resign because the management get tired of his hard-partying lifestyle, plus he’d cheated on his first wife and i believe that might’ve cost him the respect of his bandmates, plus the group’s management might’ve felt his actions were tarnishing the band’s spotless image. It just happened that his solo career didn’t work out, and he’s trying to get back into the group to revive his career. And he’s not the the first ex-band member to attempt to get back with their former group in order to resurrect their career, nor will he be the last.
Shane is my fave of them all!
So I guess Simon is not that bright after all. Shane is the life in West....life!
WESTLIFE WITHOUT SHANE IS NOT WESTLIFE!!!! ❤️
Did he ever won 'most fanciable awards' @ smash hits awards? And I bet Shane has most fans than other member..his solo album most succes than Bryan, Nicky or Kian..and much of fanbase of Shane Filan...no doubt he's the most special in westlife...leader, soul..and he still be good man ,humble...Simon you wrong!!!
this is so funny. 🤣
😅😅😅 Shane does great impressions of Simon and Louis!
That just proves Simon has no judgement skills.
Simon would've made a huge mistake if he didn't include Shane lol
You people you forgotten marks' voice wawooo aweeesome
If that particular incident happened to a woman, that interview would've been all over the internet. That was abuse, Shane. Oh the things boy band members endure. :(
And some fools out there still act like women are the only ones who have to endure mistreatment by top execs in the entertainment industry. (Of course, this is not to deny that misogyny still exists)