I am sorry for the bad video of John, our recording app Riverside messed up his footage. Thankfully the audio was salvageable using this impressive new tool from Adobe podcast.adobe.com/enhance Thanks to John for coming on the podcast! Do you feel the need to tint your CRT to reduce glare and enhance black levels?
I've just gotten into nerding out about CRTs (via playing competitive super smash bros melee), and it's great to have a recent and ongoing podcast series like this! It really makes the community/passion behind this stuff alive which is always more fun. I've been a long time digital foundry viewer too so it's great to hear more about John's crt adventures like this!
Great video with a great guest! About 100hz, I’ve always wondered: can’t those TV set “downgraded” to 50hz? I mean, there are mods to increase TV Lines…
@@ZezRetro Searching for “100hz” in Shmupsystem11 forum looks like a starting point (can’t link it, YT’d delete the post). Maybe if you create some buzz you could ignite the EU retro-community. If someone achieves a way to de-100hz TVs it could be huge! It’s save A LOT of great tubes from the scrapyard!
Some of the loewe ones can bypass 100hz using a vga input, but that is only for 31khz sources. supposedly you could hook up a gbs-c to one of those to upscale 240p to either 480p or 240p120hz. Maybe Ludocalle could test something like that, he makes vga input boards for certain loewe sets.
gotta say, I was finally able to hook my MiSTer up to a solid 4K set running at 1440p 60hz integer scaled.... it looks incredible!!, especially w scanlines and crt filters ..Ive just never seen retro look so perfect ..has me questioning CRTs again ..lol Great Show!
I bought once a Toshiba Crt with 100hz feature and 480p support , This one is unique because u can switch of the 100hz and see scanlines , also when u switch 100hz of it processes 480i correctly Also I bought a month a go an lg flatorn and it shows 480p because of the upscale , but don’t expect a 480p signial
I used to *detest* the 100Hz / !20Hz CRT TVs back in the day. From the late 90s and at least half of the 00s, almost ALL TVs in the UK were "100Hz Flatscreen". It wasn't so much the juddering / duplication of frames. Some of them had their own "cinema motion" thing, to interpolate the frames, which was sometimes tolerable. But almost always, the processing itself was horrific. lol That generally gave a super grainy image with fake "sharpness" and rining added to everything. A bit like a really over-processed "THX Remastered" DVD. To add to that, when they showed the TV in the shop, they of course had the Brightness (black level) set too high, and the Contrast cranked to the MAX. I don't know why anyone ever thought they looked good with those settings. Also, at that time with larger flatscreen TVs (a very common size here was 32 Inch), the asking price could be easily £600 upwards. These issues genuinely put me off buying a new TV for many years. I stuck with older TVs like a Ferguson with the TX-100 chassis. The Fergusion I think had a 21" screen, and allowed S-Video input via SCART (Luma on pin 20, Chroma on pin 11), which was great for the N64. The only small downside to the Ferguson TV is it had those three thin RGB "feedback lines" at the top of the screen, which were visible in 16:9 mode when watching DVDs. Anyway, yeah, 100Hz/120Hz was usually as bad as John was describing. lol There were some very good TVs around as well, like some sets from Sony, which were sometimes still 100Hz/120Hz, but didn't have the horrible grainy processing or "Soap Opera effect" of other sets.
Oh, and the irony is that many sets still looked subjectively *better* if they were only 50Hz/60Hz. We barely used to notice the flicker of 50Hz, it was never really an issue after a while, and I'm very sensitive to that stuff. (for example, I'm super sensitive to the "Rainbow Effect" on single-chip DLP projectors. I did see the flicker on 50Hz TVs, of course, but it was never super distracting.) Then one the first generation plasma TVs started showing up, they often had awesome image quality. They generally didn't tend to over-process the image like the 100Hz/120Hz CRT sets did. Some of the earlier plasma TVs (like the Kuro) were considered for many years to be some of the best TVs ever made. And then we kind of regressed for a few years, once everything moved to using LCDs with an ARM SoC and built-in scaler. Some of that nasty "Soap Opera" motion smoothing / frame interpolation came into play again, and some LCD TVs didn't even let you disable it. lol I'm so glad things have improved a lot since then, and more consumers know what to look for now. This is making me want to buy an OLED soon. I've never had one. lol
Also wanna share of a new possible CRT gem I just found. I just picked up a 27" GFM MJ427GG consumer set.. its a curved standard def set w component inputs, and was manufactured in September of 2006!! Its the best picture Ive seen yet w my MiSTer and has 0 capability issues w cores.. My Trinitrons always had issues with the NeoGeo core and some of the Arcade cores.
I am sorry for the bad video of John, our recording app Riverside messed up his footage. Thankfully the audio was salvageable using this impressive new tool from Adobe podcast.adobe.com/enhance
Thanks to John for coming on the podcast! Do you feel the need to tint your CRT to reduce glare and enhance black levels?
The irony of John having the worst video quality is not lost 🙂
Terrible frame times on this video 😀
I wonder if John would ever consider a video on his collection of Crt's? I've always been curious about the endless options they seem to have
There is probably just one 100MHz Sony that gets re-sold or re-gifted around the world by disappointed CRT fans.
Great video guys! I Can't Resist Talks about CRT's! This was a great satiator. 😊
Oh wow! Such a simple solution of connecting your camera via HDMI to a television to see how a CRT looks like is something I never thought of.
I've just gotten into nerding out about CRTs (via playing competitive super smash bros melee), and it's great to have a recent and ongoing podcast series like this! It really makes the community/passion behind this stuff alive which is always more fun. I've been a long time digital foundry viewer too so it's great to hear more about John's crt adventures like this!
Great video with a great guest! About 100hz, I’ve always wondered: can’t those TV set “downgraded” to 50hz? I mean, there are mods to increase TV Lines…
Good question, I don’t have any information on possible “de-100hz” mods
@@ZezRetro Searching for “100hz” in Shmupsystem11 forum looks like a starting point (can’t link it, YT’d delete the post). Maybe if you create some buzz you could ignite the EU retro-community. If someone achieves a way to de-100hz TVs it could be huge! It’s save A LOT of great tubes from the scrapyard!
Some of the loewe ones can bypass 100hz using a vga input, but that is only for 31khz sources. supposedly you could hook up a gbs-c to one of those to upscale 240p to either 480p or 240p120hz. Maybe Ludocalle could test something like that, he makes vga input boards for certain loewe sets.
gotta say, I was finally able to hook my MiSTer up to a solid 4K set running at 1440p 60hz integer scaled.... it looks incredible!!, especially w scanlines and crt filters ..Ive just never seen retro look so perfect ..has me questioning CRTs again ..lol Great Show!
Love this show! Thanks for a great listening experience!
I bought once a Toshiba Crt with 100hz feature and 480p support ,
This one is unique because u can switch of the 100hz and see scanlines , also when u switch 100hz of it processes 480i correctly
Also I bought a month a go an lg flatorn and it shows 480p because of the upscale , but don’t expect a 480p signial
I used to *detest* the 100Hz / !20Hz CRT TVs back in the day. From the late 90s and at least half of the 00s, almost ALL TVs in the UK were "100Hz Flatscreen".
It wasn't so much the juddering / duplication of frames.
Some of them had their own "cinema motion" thing, to interpolate the frames, which was sometimes tolerable.
But almost always, the processing itself was horrific. lol
That generally gave a super grainy image with fake "sharpness" and rining added to everything.
A bit like a really over-processed "THX Remastered" DVD.
To add to that, when they showed the TV in the shop, they of course had the Brightness (black level) set too high, and the Contrast cranked to the MAX.
I don't know why anyone ever thought they looked good with those settings.
Also, at that time with larger flatscreen TVs (a very common size here was 32 Inch), the asking price could be easily £600 upwards.
These issues genuinely put me off buying a new TV for many years. I stuck with older TVs like a Ferguson with the TX-100 chassis.
The Fergusion I think had a 21" screen, and allowed S-Video input via SCART (Luma on pin 20, Chroma on pin 11), which was great for the N64.
The only small downside to the Ferguson TV is it had those three thin RGB "feedback lines" at the top of the screen, which were visible in 16:9 mode when watching DVDs.
Anyway, yeah, 100Hz/120Hz was usually as bad as John was describing. lol
There were some very good TVs around as well, like some sets from Sony, which were sometimes still 100Hz/120Hz, but didn't have the horrible grainy processing or "Soap Opera effect" of other sets.
Oh, and the irony is that many sets still looked subjectively *better* if they were only 50Hz/60Hz. We barely used to notice the flicker of 50Hz, it was never really an issue after a while, and I'm very sensitive to that stuff.
(for example, I'm super sensitive to the "Rainbow Effect" on single-chip DLP projectors. I did see the flicker on 50Hz TVs, of course, but it was never super distracting.)
Then one the first generation plasma TVs started showing up, they often had awesome image quality.
They generally didn't tend to over-process the image like the 100Hz/120Hz CRT sets did.
Some of the earlier plasma TVs (like the Kuro) were considered for many years to be some of the best TVs ever made.
And then we kind of regressed for a few years, once everything moved to using LCDs with an ARM SoC and built-in scaler.
Some of that nasty "Soap Opera" motion smoothing / frame interpolation came into play again, and some LCD TVs didn't even let you disable it. lol
I'm so glad things have improved a lot since then, and more consumers know what to look for now.
This is making me want to buy an OLED soon. I've never had one. lol
Also wanna share of a new possible CRT gem I just found. I just picked up a 27" GFM MJ427GG consumer set.. its a curved standard def set w component inputs, and was manufactured in September of 2006!! Its the best picture Ive seen yet w my MiSTer and has 0 capability issues w cores.. My Trinitrons always had issues with the NeoGeo core and some of the Arcade cores.
I really need to give the tinting a try. My 20L5 especially needs it.
I did once a factory reset and it ruined my set